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Re: List Problems

 

Roger,

Have you considered Google Groups? https://groups.google.com



On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 5:39 PM, alix verge alixverge@... [cnswplayers] <cnswplayers@...> wrote:
 

It's nice of you to bother asking seeing I have no idea of the problems - and even less of an idea of how to improve things. 

What you say sounds really good


Alix (mob)
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AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: "Roger Evans rfkevans@... [cnswplayers]" <cnswplayers@...>
Date:06/05/2016 4:57 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Croquet NSW Players list <cnswplayers@...>
Cc:
Subject: [cnswplayers] List Problems

 

Hi CNSW players,

This list is hosted on a Yahoo Groups platform but Yahoo are not
improving it and, in fact, their service seems to be going backward. As
some of you may have experienced, it is cumbersome to change even
something as simple as an e-mail address and the complexity of joining
the list is such that it has it has put people off.

The Yahoo Groups platform was initially developed by a guy called Mark
Fletcher who subsequently sold it to Yahoo who have tended to let it
decline.

Mark Fletcher has been somewhat frustrated by this and so he has
developed a new e-mail list platform called 'Groups.io'. You can read a
bit of the history at:
https://wingedpig.com/2014/09/23/introducing-groups-io/

I manage a couple of other e-mail lists and have already changed one of
them over to the new 'groups.io' platform. This new platform is more
user friendly and easier to manage than the Yahoo platform and, though
it is still being developed, (its a Beta version) it is performing very
well and the listees are happy with it. Unless anyone has a problem
with changing to the new platform I propose that we transfer the
CNSWplayers group to it. The transfer can be carried out transparently
to all the existing subscribers and the only thing that would change
would be that to send a message to the list would go to
cnswplayers@groups.io rather thancnswplayers@...

Any Comments?

Cheers

Roger




--
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Re: List Problems

 

Hi Alex,

Yes I have considered Google Groups and I manage one group using Google Groups.  I believe that groups.io is better than both Google groups and Yahoo.

Here is a comment from Fletcher on e-mail groups in general:

"But really this story starts even further back, in the Winter of 1989, when in college I was introduced to mailing lists. I was instantly hooked. It was obvious that a mailing list was a great way to communicate with a group of people about a common interest. I started subscribing to lists dedicated to my favorite bands (’80’s Hair Metal, anyone?). I joined a list for a local running club. And, at every company I’ve worked at since graduating, there have been invaluable internal company mailing lists.

But that doesn’t mean that mailing lists can’t improve. And this is where we get back to the unfinished business. Because email groups (the modern version of mailing lists) have stagnated over the past decade. Yahoo Groups and Google Groups both exude the dank air of benign neglect. Google Groups hasn’t been updated in years, and some of Yahoo’s recent changes have actually made Yahoo Groups worse! And yet, millions of people put up with this uncertainty and neglect, because email groups are still one of the best ways to communicate with groups of people. And I have a plan to make them even better."

Recently (4th April) Yahoo groups went down for about 5 days with no explanation.  Those on the moderators list complained loud and long but Yahoo was silent.  Eventually the list came back but with no explanation but there are a lot of complaints about Yahoo from owners and moderators of other Yahoo groups and Yahoo is unresponsive.  There has even been rumors that Yahoo might abandon the groups mailing lists although I haven't been able to confirm whether this is true.

I think that it is probably time for a change.

Regards

Roger


On 6/05/2016 5:49 PM, Tim Murphy tim@... [cnswplayers] wrote:
 
Roger,

Have you considered Google Groups? https://groups.google.com



On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 5:39 PM, alix verge alixverge@... [cnswplayers] <cnswplayers@...> wrote:
 

It's nice of you to bother asking seeing I have no idea of the problems - and even less of an idea of how to improve things. 

What you say sounds really good


Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: "Roger Evans rfkevans@... [cnswplayers]" <cnswplayers@...>
Date:06/05/2016 4:57 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Croquet NSW Players list <cnswplayers@...>
Cc:
Subject: [cnswplayers] List Problems

 

Hi CNSW players,

This list is hosted on a Yahoo Groups platform but Yahoo are not
improving it and, in fact, their service seems to be going backward. As
some of you may have experienced, it is cumbersome to change even
something as simple as an e-mail address and the complexity of joining
the list is such that it has it has put people off.

The Yahoo Groups platform was initially developed by a guy called Mark
Fletcher who subsequently sold it to Yahoo who have tended to let it
decline.

Mark Fletcher has been somewhat frustrated by this and so he has
developed a new e-mail list platform called 'Groups.io'. You can read a
bit of the history at:
https://wingedpig.com/2014/09/23/introducing-groups-io/

I manage a couple of other e-mail lists and have already changed one of
them over to the new 'groups.io' platform. This new platform is more
user friendly and easier to manage than the Yahoo platform and, though
it is still being developed, (its a Beta version) it is performing very
well and the listees are happy with it. Unless anyone has a problem
with changing to the new platform I propose that we transfer the
CNSWplayers group to it. The transfer can be carried out transparently
to all the existing subscribers and the only thing that would change
would be that to send a message to the list would go to
cnswplayers@groups.io rather thancnswplayers@...

Any Comments?

Cheers

Roger




--
Tim Murphy

Need a website and/or blog that's easy to create and update? Check out Impressive Mark.

Re: List Problems

Jim Hicks
 

Sounds pretty good to me, Roger.
Cheers, Jim.

On 06/05/2016, at 4:56 PM, Roger Evans rfkevans@... [cnswplayers] wrote:

 

Hi CNSW players,

This list is hosted on a Yahoo Groups platform but Yahoo are not
improving it and, in fact, their service seems to be going backward. As
some of you may have experienced, it is cumbersome to change even
something as simple as an e-mail address and the complexity of joining
the list is such that it has it has put people off.

The Yahoo Groups platform was initially developed by a guy called Mark
Fletcher who subsequently sold it to Yahoo who have tended to let it
decline.

Mark Fletcher has been somewhat frustrated by this and so he has
developed a new e-mail list platform called 'Groups.io'. You can read a
bit of the history at:
https://wingedpig.com/2014/09/23/introducing-groups-io/

I manage a couple of other e-mail lists and have already changed one of
them over to the new 'groups.io' platform. This new platform is more
user friendly and easier to manage than the Yahoo platform and, though
it is still being developed, (its a Beta version) it is performing very
well and the listees are happy with it. Unless anyone has a problem
with changing to the new platform I propose that we transfer the
CNSWplayers group to it. The transfer can be carried out transparently
to all the existing subscribers and the only thing that would change
would be that to send a message to the list would go to
cnswplayers@groups.io rather thancnswplayers@...

Any Comments?

Cheers

Roger


Re: : List Problems

Len McCallum
 

YES i to feel it all sounds ok.

Re: List Problems

Brenda Wild
 

Hi Rog,



If you think it’ll make the process easier & better – I’m in favour.



Thanks,

Brenda



From: cnswplayers@... [mailto:cnswplayers@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 May 2016 4:57 PM
To: Croquet NSW Players list <cnswplayers@...>
Subject: [cnswplayers] List Problems





Hi CNSW players,

This list is hosted on a Yahoo Groups platform but Yahoo are not
improving it and, in fact, their service seems to be going backward. As
some of you may have experienced, it is cumbersome to change even
something as simple as an e-mail address and the complexity of joining
the list is such that it has it has put people off.

The Yahoo Groups platform was initially developed by a guy called Mark
Fletcher who subsequently sold it to Yahoo who have tended to let it
decline.

Mark Fletcher has been somewhat frustrated by this and so he has
developed a new e-mail list platform called 'Groups.io'. You can read a
bit of the history at:
https://wingedpig.com/2014/09/23/introducing-groups-io/

I manage a couple of other e-mail lists and have already changed one of
them over to the new 'groups.io' platform. This new platform is more
user friendly and easier to manage than the Yahoo platform and, though
it is still being developed, (its a Beta version) it is performing very
well and the listees are happy with it. Unless anyone has a problem
with changing to the new platform I propose that we transfer the
CNSWplayers group to it. The transfer can be carried out transparently
to all the existing subscribers and the only thing that would change
would be that to send a message to the list would go to
cnswplayers@groups.io rather thancnswplayers@...

Any Comments?

Cheers

Roger





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This e-mail list

 

Hi CNSW players,

Thanks to all who responded to the suggestions that we transfer this list from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io  Since no one seemed to be against the transfer I will take it to the next stage.

I have set up a new cnswplayers list on groups.io but have not transferred the membership yet.   We will probably refine things a bit as we go along but, initially, the intention is to leave access to the group fairly open which will make it easier for people to subscribe.  As with the Yahoo Groups list the new groups.io list has a web site which provides some information on the group and some basic rules of what it can be used for.  You can check out this web site at: https://groups.io/g/cnswplayers  (Brenda is not happy with the header banner and so it will improved.)

This web site allows players to join the group simply by clicking on 'Join this Group' and entering their e-mail address. The system will then send you an e-mail to confirm that the e-mail address is correct and, once you confirm it, your are subscribed.  You use you usual e-mail address and don't have to create any special address.

During the coming week I will transfer all the subscriptions, and messages from the Yahoo groups to Groups.io  The transfer will not remove the Yahoo group and so both will be available initially and, assuming everyone is happy with the new system, I can then remove the Yahoo Group list.

As I have set up the list I am listed as the 'Owner' but it can/should have more than one owner and moderator and so if anyone would like to help manage the group (it's pretty easy) then, once everyone is subscribed, I will promote them.

In the meantime any comments or suggestions are welcome.

Regards

Roger

Re: This e-mail list

Jim Hicks
 

Great step forward, Roger.!   Cheers, Jim.

On 08/05/2016, at 10:18 AM, Roger Evans rfkevans@... [cnswplayers] wrote:

 

Hi CNSW players,

Thanks to all who responded to the suggestions that we transfer this list from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io  Since no one seemed to be against the transfer I will take it to the next stage.

I have set up a new cnswplayers list on groups.io but have not transferred the membership yet.   We will probably refine things a bit as we go along but, initially, the intention is to leave access to the group fairly open which will make it easier for people to subscribe.  As with the Yahoo Groups list the new groups.io list has a web site which provides some information on the group and some basic rules of what it can be used for.  You can check out this web site at: https://groups.io/g/cnswplayers  (Brenda is not happy with the header banner and so it will improved.)

This web site allows players to join the group simply by clicking on 'Join this Group' and entering their e-mail address. The system will then send you an e-mail to confirm that the e-mail address is correct and, once you confirm it, your are subscribed.  You use you usual e-mail address and don't have to create any special address.

During the coming week I will transfer all the subscriptions, and messages from the Yahoo groups to Groups.io  The transfer will not remove the Yahoo group and so both will be available initially and, assuming everyone is happy with the new system, I can then remove the Yahoo Group list.

As I have set up the list I am listed as the 'Owner' but it can/should have more than one owner and moderator and so if anyone would like to help manage the group (it's pretty easy) then, once everyone is subscribed, I will promote them.

In the meantime any comments or suggestions are welcome.

Regards

Roger



Re: This e-mail list

Mary Gibson
 

Roger
Great work and thank you for your interest and execution.  
Mary Gibson
Mosman

On 08/05/2016, at 10:18 AM, Roger Evans rfkevans@... [cnswplayers] wrote:

 

Hi CNSW players,

Thanks to all who responded to the suggestions that we transfer this list from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io  Since no one seemed to be against the transfer I will take it to the next stage.

I have set up a new cnswplayers list on groups.io but have not transferred the membership yet.   We will probably refine things a bit as we go along but, initially, the intention is to leave access to the group fairly open which will make it easier for people to subscribe.  As with the Yahoo Groups list the new groups.io list has a web site which provides some information on the group and some basic rules of what it can be used for.  You can check out this web site at: https://groups.io/g/cnswplayers  (Brenda is not happy with the header banner and so it will improved.)

This web site allows players to join the group simply by clicking on 'Join this Group' and entering their e-mail address. The system will then send you an e-mail to confirm that the e-mail address is correct and, once you confirm it, your are subscribed.  You use you usual e-mail address and don't have to create any special address.

During the coming week I will transfer all the subscriptions, and messages from the Yahoo groups to Groups.io  The transfer will not remove the Yahoo group and so both will be available initially and, assuming everyone is happy with the new system, I can then remove the Yahoo Group list.

As I have set up the list I am listed as the 'Owner' but it can/should have more than one owner and moderator and so if anyone would like to help manage the group (it's pretty easy) then, once everyone is subscribed, I will promote them.

In the meantime any comments or suggestions are welcome.

Regards

Roger



Re: This e-mail list

 

Only question is that in group policies, theirs is no control over membership, is this a good idea?

Site look good and quicker than yahoo

Good move


Rik

Re: This e-mail list

 

Hi Rik,

I have left it open to start with and if there are any 'undesirables' they can be removed.� We can, however, restrict it so that new applications will require approval.� This can be done later if we have a problem but it will make it slightly more difficult to join which is why I though it best to leave it unrestricted in the early stage.

Cheers

Roger


On 8/05/2016 7:05 PM, Rik Mills amills48@... [cnswplayers] wrote:
�

Only question is that in group policies, theirs is no control over membership, is this a good idea?

Site look good and quicker than yahoo

Good move

Rik


Re: : This e-mail list

 

I agree Roger, but with the way people behave, the filtering may be necessary.

Re: This e-mail list

Roberta Flint
 

Agree being as open an inclusive as possible to start with and only filtering if an issue emerges. 
The one protocol I would suggest is people sign their name to any comment or message. Sometimes it is hard to figure out who has said what, or will the new platform remedy this in some way?
Roberta

Sent from my iPad

On 8 May 2016, at 7:34 PM, Roger Evans rfkevans@... [cnswplayers] <cnswplayers@...> wrote:

Hi Rik,

I have left it open to start with and if there are any 'undesirables' they can be removed.  We can, however, restrict it so that new applications will require approval.  This can be done later if we have a problem but it will make it slightly more difficult to join which is why I though it best to leave it unrestricted in the early stage.

Cheers

Roger


On 8/05/2016 7:05 PM, Rik Mills amills48@... [cnswplayers] wrote:
 

Only question is that in group policies, theirs is no control over membership, is this a good idea?

Site look good and quicker than yahoo

Good move

Rik



Re: This e-mail list

Alix Verge
 

Hmmm - maybe. I had surfiechick as a nom-de-net for years on the notts list because I felt I had no street cred and would never had posted if I had had to use my real name. Puzzling for others, yes, but I would otherwise have kept silent. Why do we need to "figure out who has said what"? It is the comment, not the person, we should be assessing as we read. The moderator can decide who oversteps the mark and block postings if appropriate.


Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: "Roberta Flint roberta_flint@... [cnswplayers]"
Date:09/05/2016 7:28 AM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@...
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Re: This e-mail list

 

Agree being as open an inclusive as possible to start with and only filtering if an issue emerges. 
The one protocol I would suggest is people sign their name to any comment or message. Sometimes it is hard to figure out who has said what, or will the new platform remedy this in some way?
Roberta

Sent from my iPad

On 8 May 2016, at 7:34 PM, Roger Evans rfkevans@... [cnswplayers] <cnswplayers@...> wrote:

Hi Rik,

I have left it open to start with and if there are any 'undesirables' they can be removed.  We can, however, restrict it so that new applications will require approval.  This can be done later if we have a problem but it will make it slightly more difficult to join which is why I though it best to leave it unrestricted in the early stage.

Cheers

Roger


On 8/05/2016 7:05 PM, Rik Mills amills48@... [cnswplayers] wrote:
 

Only question is that in group policies, theirs is no control over membership, is this a good idea?

Site look good and quicker than yahoo

Good move

Rik



Re: This e-mail list

Jan Sage
 

Couldn’t agree more!
Jan
 

Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Re: This e-mail list
 
 

Hmmm - maybe. I had surfiechick as a nom-de-net for years on the notts list because I felt I had no street cred and would never had posted if I had had to use my real name. Puzzling for others, yes, but I would otherwise have kept silent. Why do we need to "figure out who has said what"? It is the comment, not the person, we should be assessing as we read. The moderator can decide who oversteps the mark and block postings if appropriate.
 
 
Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: "Roberta Flint roberta_flint@... [cnswplayers]" <cnswplayers@...>
Date:09/05/2016 7:28 AM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@...
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Re: This e-mail list

 
Agree being as open an inclusive as possible to start with and only filtering if an issue emerges.
The one protocol I would suggest is people sign their name to any comment or message. Sometimes it is hard to figure out who has said what, or will the new platform remedy this in some way?
Roberta

Sent from my iPad

On 8 May 2016, at 7:34 PM, Roger Evans rfkevans@... [cnswplayers] <cnswplayers@...> wrote:

Hi Rik,

I have left it open to start with and if there are any 'undesirables' they can be removed.  We can, however, restrict it so that new applications will require approval.  This can be done later if we have a problem but it will make it slightly more difficult to join which is why I though it best to leave it unrestricted in the early stage.

Cheers

Roger


On 8/05/2016 7:05 PM, Rik Mills amills48@... [cnswplayers] wrote:
 

Only question is that in group policies, theirs is no control over membership, is this a good idea?

Site look good and quicker than yahoo

Good move

Rik




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Re: This e-mail list

 

​I agree with ​"​It is the comment, not the person, we should be assessing as we read" but we should know who wrote it for two reasons:

  1. Its provides context and that can make reading easier.
  2. Second, but most importantly, adding a "real name" to any internet communication more likely leads to civil communication. Anonymous communication more likely leads to person(s) removing any social filters from their conversations.

GOLF CROQUET ‘IMPROVE YOUR GAME’ WORKSHOPS

Barb Piggott
 

GOLF CROQUET ‘IMPROVE YOUR GAME’ WORKSHOPS

 

The next round of Golf Croquet ‘Improve your Game’ workshops have now been finalised and players wishing to take advantage of these workshops are welcome to attend and should contact the host Club to register their interest. As with all CNSW coaching there is a charge of $10 per player attending and this can be paid on the day in either cash or by cheque – please make any cheques payable to CNSW.

 

My first stop is at Eastwood on Sat 21 May commencing at  1100 – POC is Pat Gilchrist. Sunday 22 May the workshop starts at 0930 and is being hosted by the Sydney Club – contact either Ingrid Cohen or Wendy Fothergill. Monday 23 May I will be at Mosman from 1000 – contact either Ron Humpherson or Maria Gibson. Heading west and up the mountain to Leura for a workshop hosted by the Blue Mountains Club on Tue 24 May commencing at 1000 – POC Barry Moray. Still heading west will find me in Lithgow on Wed 25 May for a 0930 start – Cindy Houston is Lithgow POC. Finally I will reach Dubbo on 26 May before heading home again – this workshop will commence at 0830 and POC is Ben Vang.

 

Barb Piggott

SDC

CNSW

 

Re: This e-mail list

Jan Sage
 

Then there are occasions where ‘if you can’t fight the argument, fight the person’ occurs.
Jan
 

Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Re: This e-mail list
 
 

​I agree with ​"​It is the comment, not the person, we should be assessing as we read" but we should know who wrote it for two reasons:
 
  1. Its provides context and that can make reading easier.
  2. Second, but most importantly, adding a "real name" to any internet communication more likely leads to civil communication. Anonymous communication more likely leads to person(s) removing any social filters from their conversations.
 

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Re: This e-mail list

 


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, 'Jan Sage' myoora803@... [cnswplayers] <cnswplayers@...> wrote:
‘if you can’t fight the argument, fight the person’

​Can still happen without knowing who the person is.​



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New list

 

Hi CNSW Players,

You are receiving this e-mail from the new 'groups.io' platform and all the valid members of the old Yahoo list have now been transferred.

The message archive from the old list has also been transferred and so everything should now be up and running.

As mentioned before, at this stage the list is open so that anyone can subscribe to it but, if this becomes a problem, we can restrict it so that a moderator must approve a new subscription.  By leaving it open it makes subscription to the list easier.  A moderator can send an invitation to someone and all they then need to do is to reply to the message to validate the subscription.   Alternatively, anyone can go to the associated web site: https://groups.io/g/cnswplayers and click on 'Join this Group' and be guided through a couple of simple steps to subscribe.

The group e-mail address is cnswplayers@groups.io and, at present, there are 66 subscribers. You can see who is subscribed at: https://groups.io/g/cnswplayers/members

An e-mail sent to the group list will be sent to all subscribers and a reply will also go to everyone.

On the left hand side of the 'Home' page https://groups.io/g/cnswplayers you will find a number of menu tabs, one of which is a Wiki where I have attempted to define the purpose of the group and what I believe it should be used for.  If anyone would like to add to, or comment on it, then, as with any Wiki, it can evolve over time.

Hopefully this list will continue to help us share knowledge on the sport we all love.

Cheers

Roger



Logging on

 

Hi Players,

One thing I forgot to mention in the previous e-mail is that if you want to access the features of the main web site at: https://groups.io/g/cnswplayers it will be necessary to log on.  It is the only way that the site can check whether you are a subscriber.

If you receive this e-mail then you are subscribed to the list and so to open up the other features on the main site just go to the 'Log In' link just under the Green box which says 'Join This Group'.  It will ask you to enter  your e-mail address and password but, since the passwords were not transferred from the Yahoo group, click on the link which says 'Forget your password'.  It will  send an e-mail to your address with a link which will allow you to set a password.  As an alternative, it will also allow you to log on from Facebook.

Cheers

Roger