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This new mailing list

 

Hi Everyone,

It is still very early days for this group and it will take a while for people to come on board, although we have 6 people already.

Even if/when we get a lot of people subscribed to the group I don't anticipate that there will be a large number of emails but, to make it easier to segregate emails originating from this list from your other e-mails, I suggest making a separate folder in your 'In' box (call it CNSW players or whatever) and then set up a filter to automatically send e-mails from this cnswplayers list to that folder.   You will note that any e-mail sent via this list will have the [cnswplayers] prefix inserted in front of the subject heading and this makes it easy to identify the email to send it to the new folder.

Depending on what e-mail client you are using you will probably find the mail filters under the 'Tools' menu.  The software will help walk you through the set up, but the filter will be of the form:   "if Subject contains [cnswplayers] then move it to the cnswplayers (or whatever you have called it) folder". 

I am not familiar with all the e-mail clients (I use Thunderbird personally) but I am happy to help anyone who isn't familiar with setting up a message filter.

Cheers
Roger Evans
Moderator

Well done

Toronto Croquet club <torontocroquetclub@...>
 

What a great idea to set up a group. I use several yahoo groups and find them very easy to acess and quite helpful. I think this group will surprise you and be very popular.

Re: Well done

 

Hi Toronto Club,

Hopefully the e-mail list will allow clubs to exchange information on a wide variety of issues concerning the various codes of croquet as well as the operation of a croquet club.
Although a free group like Yahoo means that we will have to put up with a bit of advertising, I agree that the Yahoo system is quite easy to use.   I have set up a couple of lists using Google groups but I think that Yahoo is slightly better and hence its choice for this list.

The list belongs to the croquet club members and I hope that it will be a constructive list.  In my traveling around the various clubs I have become aware that there are pockets of expertise in many clubs and I hope that individual clubs and club members can to tap this pool of knowledge via this list.

Cheers
Roger

On 21/01/2012 14:43, Toronto Croquet club wrote:
 

What a great idea to set up a group. I use several yahoo groups and find them very easy to acess and quite helpful. I think this group will surprise you and be very popular.

In the dark

 

Hi Croquet players,

A couple of days ago we had a query from one of the north coast clubs concerning the minimum lighting level permissible for playing croquet.  It appears that club members had been playing into twilight but had been 'chipped' by someone  (I believe from the local Council) for being unsafe, hence the query.

The CNSW handbook specifies that games can be suspended in the event of Electrical storms, if the courts are seriously affected by rain or hail or it the temperature is too high but no mention of a minimum light level.

When you think about it, a croquet lawn is littered by more tripping hazards (hoops, flags) than most other sports areas and is often played by people (seniors) whose bones are starting to get brittle which means that a fall could have serious consequences.   Do we have a 'Duty of Care' here - should there be a minimum light level?  I did a quick Google search on lighting levels for sports areas but couldn't find any reference to croquet.

Does anyone know whether there is a regulation?

Cheers
Roger



Re: In the dark

Barb Piggott <barbpiggott55@...>
 

Hi All
 
In reference to light levels a couple of examples to show there appears to be no policy.
 
At the GC Doubles Nationals held at Tempe and Sutherland last May a couple of games went very late and it was hard to determine the colour of the balls but play continued to complete the scheduled round.
 
At the GC Interstate Shield held in Brisbane last August one match went very late, it was dark and you were unable to see balls and one spectator was using the light on his iphone to assist the players on court. This was the first game of two, the second game was abandoned on that day and was scheduled, if required, for the last day.
 
As these were both ACA events it appears there is no policy about light conditions.
 
 
Barb Piggott
CNSW GC Coord

Re: In the dark

 

Hi Barb,

I had heard about the Nationals GC doubles playing in the dark and, despite some more ferreting around, I cannot find any croquet reference to minimum light levels.  There are quite a few references to minimum light levels for other sports - the closest one seems to be the WA Dept of Sport and Rec. who provide minimum lighting levels for various sports (but not Croquet).   They specify 100 lux as the minimum lighting level for Lawn Bowls but this seems to be a criteria for the design of flood lighting rather than a minimum safety requirement.

Considering the tripping hazards on a croquet lawn I suspect that there should be a minimum lighting level, below which the game should be suspended.   I don't think that it would be practical for each club to buy a LUX meter for this purpose and so a more practical approach would need to be adopted.  eg if, standing at corner 4 the flag at corner 2 cannot be seen then the game should be suspended.

It may not be a big issue but I wonder what would happen if a game continued to be played in the semi dark and someone tripped over a hoop and broke his/her leg/hip/pelvis in the resulting fall.  Who, if anyone, would be liable?

Roger Evans
SVP Croquet NSW



On 22/01/2012 9:22, Barb Piggott wrote:
 
Hi All
 
In reference to light levels a couple of examples to show there appears to be no policy.
 
At the GC Doubles Nationals held at Tempe and Sutherland last May a couple of games went very late and it was hard to determine the colour of the balls but play continued to complete the scheduled round.
 
At the GC Interstate Shield held in Brisbane last August one match went very late, it was dark and you were unable to see balls and one spectator was using the light on his iphone to assist the players on court. This was the first game of two, the second game was abandoned on that day and was scheduled, if required, for the last day.
 
As these were both ACA events it appears there is no policy about light conditions.
 
 
Barb Piggott
CNSW GC Coord

Listees

 

Hi cnswplayers,

I don't want to monopolise this list but there are a few things you might like to know if you haven't used Yahoo groups before.
Some of you have created a Yahoo ID and password which means that you can get access to the web site associated with the list and so you can edit your own membership profile: (click on Edit Membership near the top of the page for these options)
  • Adding more than one e-mail address
  • deciding which e-mail address you wish to use to access the list
  • deciding how you want the e-mail delivered.  The options are:
    •  Individual E Mail - you receive individual e-mails as they are posted
    • Daily Digest - all the daily e-mails are compiled into one message per day.
    • Special notices only - you receive only special messages from the group moderator
    • Web only - e-mails are not sent to you, you read them by going to the 'Messages' section of the web site

For those who don't have access to the web site, if you want to change some of these settings you will need to request the moderator to make the change.

At present I am the only moderator for the list but as the membership continues to grow, we should appoint at least one other person as a moderator (any volunteers?).  For this list, the messages won't be moderated, however, we want the list to be positive and constructive and if someone gets abusive or critical of another person or club a moderator has the power to ban them from the list (after a warning).

Because it is meant as a discussion list it has been set up so that a reply to a message will go to everyone on the list.  If you want to converse with a person privately it is best to do it off the list.

The list is restricted to members of croquet clubs affiliated with Croquet NSW.   By restricting the membership in this way our experience has shown that we won't be subjected to 'spam' from 'outsiders'.  It also means that there will not be a great list of e-mail addresses in the header of each message.
One of the disadvantages is that, apart from knowing that listees are croquet players, you won't know who they are until/unless they post a message to the list.  From time-to-time I will publish a list of people who are in the list.   The subscribers have been slowly increasing over past few days and we now have 21 people on the list.  These people (in no particular order) are:

Barb Piggott - Urunga CC and CNSW GC Coordinator
Roger Evans - Jamberoo CC and SVP CNSW
Brenda Evans - Jamberoo CC
Bob Gingold - Canberra CC
David Archer - Bundanoon CC and CNSW Web master
Peter Freer - Canberra CC
Alan Honey - Canberra CC
Robin Shenton - Narooma CC
Pam Owen - Jamberoo CC
Tim Murphy - Canberra CC
Julie King - Toronto CC
Yvonne Brereton - Canberra CC
Mary Gibson - Mosman CC
Margaret Sawers - Nowra CC
Pam Gentle - Maitland CC and Secretary CNSW
Jenny Arnold - Sawtell CC
Jean Pack - Milton/Ulladulla CC
Arthur Sawilejskij - Port Macquarie CC
Jim Hicks - Port Macquarie CC
Belinda Schuster - Wollongong CC
Kath Winterbottom - Myall Park CC

Regards
Roger



COACHING ACCREDITATION / REACCREDITATION

Barb Piggott
 

A number of Beginner Coaches are due or over due for reaccreditation. During my travels to events this year I intend to make myself available to those coaches who wish to reaccredit or perhaps take up coaching the opportunity to do so up to and including Level 1 coaches. The first of these Workshops will be held in Canberra on Tuesday 7th February from 0830 until 1200 and on my return leg at Wagga Wagga on Thursday 16th February from 1400 until late. Anyone wishing to attend these sessions can contact me on 042 762 9953 or email barbpiggott55@.... Evidence of Coaching and workshops attended to satisfy the Croquet Australia Reaccreditation requirements (see Beginner and Level 1 Coaching Manuals for details) will be required and the cost to attend is $10 plus the $7.50 registration fee with NCAS for Level 1 coaches, please make any cheques payable to CNSW.
I will be detailing my travels on the CNSW website throughout the year for any Clubs or players who would like to take the advantage of the opportunity to reaccredit. Those coaches who are due for reaccreditation and have not done so by 31st October 2012 will be moved to the Inactive List until they have meet the requirements required by Croquet Australia. Any coach who is unsure of their reaccreditation due date can contact me for confirmation of their requirements.
Barb Piggott
CNSW SDC

Re: COACHING ACCREDITATION / REACCREDITATION

Margaret Sawers
 

Hi barb
Do I bring the cheque with me to Canberra or send it to CNSW.
Margaret
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: [cnswplayers] COACHING ACCREDITATION / REACCREDITATION
 
 

A number of Beginner Coaches are due or over due for reaccreditation. During my travels to events this year I intend to make myself available to those coaches who wish to reaccredit or perhaps take up coaching the opportunity to do so up to and including Level 1 coaches. The first of these Workshops will be held in Canberra on Tuesday 7th February from 0830 until 1200 and on my return leg at Wagga Wagga on Thursday 16th February from 1400 until late. Anyone wishing to attend these sessions can contact me on 042 762 9953 or email barbpiggott55@.... Evidence of Coaching and workshops attended to satisfy the Croquet Australia Reaccreditation requirements (see Beginner and Level 1 Coaching Manuals for details) will be required and the cost to attend is $10 plus the $7.50 registration fee with NCAS for Level 1 coaches, please make any cheques payable to CNSW.
I will be detailing my travels on the CNSW website throughout the year for any Clubs or players who would like to take the advantage of the opportunity to reaccredit. Those coaches who are due for reaccreditation and have not done so by 31st October 2012 will be moved to the Inactive List until they have meet the requirements required by Croquet Australia. Any coach who is unsure of their reaccreditation due date can contact me for confirmation of their requirements.
Barb Piggott
CNSW SDC

Re: COACHING ACCREDITATION / REACCREDITATION

Margaret Foster
 

Thanks Barb.
For your information i have moved from Wollongong club to Eastwood croquet Club.

I cannot attend the course in Canberra.

Am currently coaching Eastwood members in the Rules and Strategy of GC
as it is relatively new here. Also members of the Chinese community.
Will check out he web site for courses in Sydney.

Thanks, Margaret

On 25/01/2012, Margaret Sawers <margaretsawers1@...> wrote:
Hi barb
Do I bring the cheque with me to Canberra or send it to CNSW.
Margaret

From: Barb Piggott
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:02 AM
To: cnswplayers@...
Subject: [cnswplayers] COACHING ACCREDITATION / REACCREDITATION



A number of Beginner Coaches are due or over due for reaccreditation. During
my travels to events this year I intend to make myself available to those
coaches who wish to reaccredit or perhaps take up coaching the opportunity
to do so up to and including Level 1 coaches. The first of these Workshops
will be held in Canberra on Tuesday 7th February from 0830 until 1200 and on
my return leg at Wagga Wagga on Thursday 16th February from 1400 until late.
Anyone wishing to attend these sessions can contact me on 042 762 9953 or
email barbpiggott55@.... Evidence of Coaching and workshops attended
to satisfy the Croquet Australia Reaccreditation requirements (see Beginner
and Level 1 Coaching Manuals for details) will be required and the cost to
attend is $10 plus the $7.50 registration fee with NCAS for Level 1 coaches,
please make any cheques payable to CNSW.
I will be detailing my travels on the CNSW website throughout the year for
any Clubs or players who would like to take the advantage of the opportunity
to reaccredit. Those coaches who are due for reaccreditation and have not
done so by 31st October 2012 will be moved to the Inactive List until they
have meet the requirements required by Croquet Australia. Any coach who is
unsure of their reaccreditation due date can contact me for confirmation of
their requirements.
Barb Piggott
CNSW SDC

GC Handicap system

 

Hi Players,

The ACA handicapping system for Golf Croquet is a good system that works well, but only if player's handicaps are correct.   If a handicap does not correctly reflect a player's ability then, in a handicap game, a weaker player can end up giving a stronger player extra turns - a ludicrous situation .  I, personally, experienced this during the 2011 GC handicap competition held at Sawtell and Urunga.

The main reason that a player's handicap may be wrong is that the player has not played enough competitive singles games and recorded the results on the ACA handicap cards.  In fact it is not unknown for a player to avoid playing singles games so that their handicap does not change.

The New Zealanders have also experienced this problem and have trialled a system which allows a change in a player's index (and hence handicap) in a doubles game
(see: http://www.croquet.org.nz/?id=284&entityType=HTML)

The NZ trial is apparently working well and so CNSW believes we should give the system a trial in NSW.  We have submitted a proposal to the ACA for this to be put to the ACA AGM to be held in Perth following the Eire Cup.

Of course, if anyone has a better idea on how to ensure a player's handicap accurately reflects his/her ability then we would be interested in hearing about it.

Cheers
Roger
SVP CNSW

Lawns

 

Hi Players,

Does anyone have a good method for removing Kikuyu grass out of a Couch croquet lawn?

Last winter, once the Couch had gone dormant, we spot sprayed patches of Kikuyu with dilute Glyphosate (roundup) and it seemed to kill the Kikuyu but it has returned again this summer.  Selective herbicides available these days can selectively get rid of most types of weeds but we don't know of one which will kill Kikuyu without also killing the couch.  Does anyone have a solution?

Cheers
Roger Evans
Jamberoo

Re: Lawns

Max Murray
 

Hello Roger

 

We had that problem and our greenkeeper did use a selective spray which worked.   I will see him on Thursday and ask the name of it.

 

Regards,

Max Murray

Narooma

 

 

From: cnswplayers@... [mailto:cnswplayers@...] On Behalf Of Roger Evans
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2012 6:30 AM
To: Croquet Players CNSW
Subject: [cnswplayers] Lawns

 



Hi Players,

Does anyone have a good method for removing Kikuyu grass out of a Couch croquet lawn?

Last winter, once the Couch had gone dormant, we spot sprayed patches of Kikuyu with dilute Glyphosate (roundup) and it seemed to kill the Kikuyu but it has returned again this summer.  Selective herbicides available these days can selectively get rid of most types of weeds but we don't know of one which will kill Kikuyu without also killing the couch.  Does anyone have a solution?

Cheers
Roger Evans
Jamberoo



Re: Lawns

 

Hi Max,

Thanks, it would be appreciated.   We often received advice from a Turf Consultant from Living Turf who suggested the idea of using a diluted solution of Roundup in winter time once the Couch had gone dormant but perhaps we diluted it too much (about 1%) or maybe we didn't get the timing right.  Unfortunately the Living Turf consultant we were using has now moved across to SimPlot to establish a turf division for them and so he is a bit harder to get access to, despite the fact that he lives locally (Kiama)

I will be interested in what you greenkeeper suggests

Regards
Roger

On 31/01/2012 7:47, Max Murray wrote:
 

Hello Roger

 

We had that problem and our greenkeeper did use a selective spray which worked.   I will see him on Thursday and ask the name of it.

 

Regards,

Max Murray

Narooma

 

 

From: cnswplayers@... [mailto:cnswplayers@...] On Behalf Of Roger Evans
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2012 6:30 AM
To: Croquet Players CNSW
Subject: [cnswplayers] Lawns

 



Hi Players,

Does anyone have a good method for removing Kikuyu grass out of a Couch croquet lawn?

Last winter, once the Couch had gone dormant, we spot sprayed patches of Kikuyu with dilute Glyphosate (roundup) and it seemed to kill the Kikuyu but it has returned again this summer.  Selective herbicides available these days can selectively get rid of most types of weeds but we don't know of one which will kill Kikuyu without also killing the couch.  Does anyone have a solution?

Cheers
Roger Evans
Jamberoo



Re: Lawns

Margaret Sawers
 

Hello Roger
At Nowra we have th same problem and we just use a weed brush with round up in it and paint the Kikuyu when the couch is dormant. The kikuyu always comes back as the seeds blow in on the wind but this slows it down
Margaret
 

To: cnswplayers@...
From: rfkevans@...
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:02:04 +1100
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Lawns

 
Hi Max,

Thanks, it would be appreciated.   We often received advice from a Turf Consultant from Living Turf who suggested the idea of using a diluted solution of Roundup in winter time once the Couch had gone dormant but perhaps we diluted it too much (about 1%) or maybe we didn't get the timing right.  Unfortunately the Living Turf consultant we were using has now moved across to SimPlot to establish a turf division for them and so he is a bit harder to get access to, despite the fact that he lives locally (Kiama)

I will be interested in what you greenkeeper suggests

Regards
Roger

On 31/01/2012 7:47, Max Murray wrote:
 

Hello Roger

 

We had that problem and our greenkeeper did use a selective spray which worked.   I will see him on Thursday and ask the name of it.

 

Regards,

Max Murray

Narooma

 

 

From: cnswplayers@... [mailto:cnswplayers@...] On Behalf Of Roger Evans
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2012 6:30 AM
To: Croquet Players CNSW
Subject: [cnswplayers] Lawns

 



Hi Players,

Does anyone have a good method for removing Kikuyu grass out of a Couch croquet lawn?

Last winter, once the Couch had gone dormant, we spot sprayed patches of Kikuyu with dilute Glyphosate (roundup) and it seemed to kill the Kikuyu but it has returned again this summer.  Selective herbicides available these days can selectively get rid of most types of weeds but we don't know of one which will kill Kikuyu without also killing the couch.  Does anyone have a solution?

Cheers
Roger Evans
Jamberoo




List update

 

Hi Members,

I had previously indicated that I would give you an idea of how this list is progressing and, so, here is the latest:
We now have 44 people on the list with 22 of the 68 NSW clubs (as well as Croquet NSW) now being represented.

Discussion has been a bit sparse to date - perhaps that no one has any issues to raise :-)      

Some of the listees have subscribed to both the e-mail list and the associated web site (which doesn't have much on it at present) whereas others have just subscribed to the e-mail list.  Those who have a full subscription can log onto the web site and set up how they want to interact with the list but those who are subscribed to the e-mail list alone are somewhat restricted.   If anyone would like further information then feel free to ask.

Wearing my CNSW hat, there are are one or two issues CNSW would like some feedback on and I will raise them over the next few days.

Cheers
Roger Evans
List moderator

GC Rules update

 

Hi Players,

CNSW has received (via ACA) the notice of the WCF revision of the Golf Croquet Rules planned for 2013.   At this stage the English Croquet Association (CA) is seeking support for the following process to be adopted to review/revise the rules.

You will note that they are suggesting that there should be a period of consultation to allow players around the world to comment before the new rules are 'cast in stone'.

The Croquet Association (England) have made the following proposal for Council's consideration. 
======
"We understand that the WCF is planning to revise the GC Rules,
probably with a new version completed in 2013. This is a good time
then to improve the processes around changes to laws and rules.  The
CA would like to see:
1) a consultation period of perhaps 2 months on any draft new version
of the laws or rules, during which players around the world as well as
WCF Members may comment before a finalised version is agreed for
approval,
2) new versions of the laws or rules, after a period of consultation
and amendment, being approved by the WCF Council by a two thirds
majority before they come into effect, and
3) defined Terms of Reference for the GC Rules Committee, which have
been adopted by Council.


If we believe that there are aspects of the rules that need revision/clarification then this list (ie cnswplayers) could provide a forum for raising/discussing them prior to submitting any suggested changes to the Australian representative on the WCF rules review committee.

There are a few rules which I think could do with some revision but one rule (actually in the Appendix clause 2) I believe does more harm than good and should be scrapped.  This refers to the setting of initial handicaps by getting the new player to hit the ball around the course and counting the number of strokes.
At best this only checks the player's skill at placing a ball and running hoops and totally ignores any of the tactics in the game.    If a new player has a good day and a bit of luck this system could, conceivably, provide an initial starting handicap as low as 4 according to the initial grading table in the rules.

Setting the initial handicap using this method will probably provide a starting handicap which is too low and so, chances are, that when the player enters a tournament his/her handicap will start going backwards which can be rather discouraging.   Surely it is far better to start a new player on a handicap of 12 and let them work their way down as their ability to play the game improves.

Does anyone have comments on other laws that should be revised?

Regards
Roger

GC Rules Update

sweetpkev <sweetpkev@...>
 

I would like to see all new GC players start with a 12 handicap but on starting to play competition this handicap then reduced to a 10.
Most players have gained quite a bit of experience before they enter competition. I would also like to see the 2 card (club and competition) system abandoned for ever. How many times have we seen a player with a club handicap of 6 or 7 entering a competition with a handicap of 8 or 9 receiving 2 or 3 extra turns. These people may have had years and years of experience but because they have not entered competitions they are receiving a definite advantage. I know tournament managers have the discretion to alter a players handicap, but it probably take several games before the change takes place.

Pam Owen

Re: GC Rules Update

Robyn Wallace
 

I agree with both of Pam's suggestions and suggest they be passed on to the CNSW Handicapper, Peter Smith.

Robyn Wallace

Re: GC Rules update - starting handicap

Peter Freer
 

Roger (et al) – my observation is that often GC players are on too generous a handicap.   I accept that a beginner starting too low, based on the “3 rounds test”, and then blowing out will be depressing.  However the opposite can be equally problematic in tournaments.  The bottom line is with handicappers - at Club level they need to “correct” inaccurate handicaps if the “3 rounds test” isn’t reasonable or the player is improving rapidly; and at Tournaments the TH needs to intervene if players are not handicapped according to how well (or badly) they play.

 

Regards, peter

Peter Freer

Canberra Croquet Club

0412 178 254