Date   
GC World Champs Qualifier 20-22 Feb 2017

Peter Freer
 

Entry for the GC World Champs Qualifier is now open, until 23 Dec 2016. 

 

For details, see: http://croquetvic.asn.au/2017-gcworlds/Qualifying%20Event   

 

The Qualifier itself is 3 days, then 23 Feb is a repechage for the top 2 remaining Qualifiers against the top 2 remaining U21s for the final 2 places in the GC World Champ.

 

More background is on the WCF site at: http://www.worldcroquet.org.uk/index.php/world-championships/2017-golf-croquet-world-championship

 

Regards, peter

0412 178 254

 

New handicaps for GC

Brenda Evans <Brenda@...>
 

Hello All,

Having read the information (available on the ACA website) defining the new Handicap system for Golf Croquet, I have the following concerns/questions:

1.     With the current system, players on handicaps of 10, 11 and 12 do not lose index points. Will a similar rule apply to the new system? If so, for what handicap range?

2.     Currently there are 3 grades of players -     
        division 1 (handicaps 0 to 4)
        division 2 (handicaps 5 to 8)
        division 3 (handicaps 9 to 12)
How many grades will there be in the new system and what will be the handicap ranges?
3.        The CNSW Events page is advertising pennants and championship events  with closing dates prior to the introduction of the new rules, starting before that date and
            continuing after the date (e.g. divisions 2 and 3 pennants) When will the information (mentioned in point 2) be made available?

4.        The instruction for the Setting of Initial Handicaps gives a system to allocate handicaps ranging from 7 to 16. Why, then, are there handicaps of 18 and 20?
            How does one "achieve" a handicap of 18 or 20 ? What happenned to handicaps of 13, 15, 17 and 19?

5.        When will the new handicap cards be available, both physically and on line, for download?

6.        When this system was being trialled in UK, it was stated that handicaps would not change during an event. Why is this not included by ACA? This, in particular, 
            would eliminate the situation where, in a match of the best of 3 games, both players reach a trigger point (the winner improving his handicap and the loser moving to a
            poorer handicap) and then the loser of that game wins the next 2 games, thus winning the match. This means that the person who loses the match has
            improved his handicap and the winner of the match has "gone backwards". It is interessting to note the following found on www.croquet.org.uk

Handicap changes do not necessarily become effective immediately. They only become effective at the end of the tournament if it is a CA Calendar Fixture or any other tournament lasting no more than four days. In all other cases handicap changes become effective at the end of the day. If a player's index goes through a trigger point and then goes back through the same trigger point during the tournament or day, their handicap does not change.

I look forward to receiving clarification of these points.

Brenda Evans

Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Peter Freer
 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 

Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Alix Verge
 

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 

Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Tony Hall
 

Me too!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year?

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 9:29 am, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 

Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Alix Verge
 

Golly Tony ..... you were entering the Women's too? 
: -)

Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 1:37 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Me too!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year?

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 9:29 am, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 

Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Tony Hall
 

Big fingers.

Merry Christmas.

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:44 pm, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Golly Tony ..... you were entering the Women's too? 
: -)

Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 1:37 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Me too!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year?

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 9:29 am, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 

Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Nick Chapman
 

Peter - why has the format changed from best of three knockout? 

Nick. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Dec. 2016, at 3:15 pm, Tony Hall <tony.hall@...> wrote:

Big fingers.

Merry Christmas.

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:44 pm, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Golly Tony ..... you were entering the Women's too? 
: -)

Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 1:37 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Me too!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year?

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 9:29 am, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 

Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

I'm looking into the issue. 

On 30 Dec 2016 6:23 PM, "Nick Chapman" <nc26tp@...> wrote:
Peter - why has the format changed from best of three knockout? 

Nick. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Dec. 2016, at 3:15 pm, Tony Hall <tony.hall@...> wrote:

Big fingers.

Merry Christmas.

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:44 pm, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Golly Tony ..... you were entering the Women's too? 
: -)

Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 1:37 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Me too!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year?

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 9:29 am, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 

Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

The issue has been resolved. Please accept my apologies for the inconvenience.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Tim Murphy <croquetscores@...> wrote:
I'm looking into the issue. 

On 30 Dec 2016 6:23 PM, "Nick Chapman" <nc26tp@...> wrote:
Peter - why has the format changed from best of three knockout? 

Nick. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Dec. 2016, at 3:15 pm, Tony Hall <tony.hall@...> wrote:

Big fingers.

Merry Christmas.

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:44 pm, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Golly Tony ..... you were entering the Women's too? 
: -)

Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 1:37 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Me too!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year?

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 9:29 am, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 


Re: New handicaps for GC

 

Brenda
I would suggest that you email your concerns to the CNSW board as many of the questions require official response.

Jim



On 22 Dec 2016 11:28 PM, "Brenda Evans" <Brenda@...> wrote:
Hello All,

Having read the information (available on the ACA website) defining the new Handicap system for Golf Croquet, I have the following concerns/questions:

1.     With the current system, players on handicaps of 10, 11 and 12 do not lose index points. Will a similar rule apply to the new system? If so, for what handicap range?

2.     Currently there are 3 grades of players -     
        division 1 (handicaps 0 to 4)
        division 2 (handicaps 5 to 8)
        division 3 (handicaps 9 to 12)
How many grades will there be in the new system and what will be the handicap ranges?
3.        The CNSW Events page is advertising pennants and championship events  with closing dates prior to the introduction of the new rules, starting before that date and
            continuing after the date (e.g. divisions 2 and 3 pennants) When will the information (mentioned in point 2) be made available?

4.        The instruction for the Setting of Initial Handicaps gives a system to allocate handicaps ranging from 7 to 16. Why, then, are there handicaps of 18 and 20?
            How does one "achieve" a handicap of 18 or 20 ? What happenned to handicaps of 13, 15, 17 and 19?

5.        When will the new handicap cards be available, both physically and on line, for download?

6.        When this system was being trialled in UK, it was stated that handicaps would not change during an event. Why is this not included by ACA? This, in particular, 
            would eliminate the situation where, in a match of the best of 3 games, both players reach a trigger point (the winner improving his handicap and the loser moving to a
            poorer handicap) and then the loser of that game wins the next 2 games, thus winning the match. This means that the person who loses the match has
            improved his handicap and the winner of the match has "gone backwards". It is interessting to note the following found on www.croquet.org.uk

Handicap changes do not necessarily become effective immediately. They only become effective at the end of the tournament if it is a CA Calendar Fixture or any other tournament lasting no more than four days. In all other cases handicap changes become effective at the end of the day. If a player's index goes through a trigger point and then goes back through the same trigger point during the tournament or day, their handicap does not change.

I look forward to receiving clarification of these points.

Brenda Evans

Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Alix Verge
 

Well I've filled in the entry form twice now but each time it says I need to correct my email address - despite putting my correct address - so I'm finding it pretty difficult enter.

Can anybody help me with this?


Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 3:15 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Big fingers.

Merry Christmas.

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:44 pm, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Golly Tony ..... you were entering the Women's too? 
: -)

Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 1:37 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Me too!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year?

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 9:29 am, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 

Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

I'm looking into the issue.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:
Well I've filled in the entry form twice now but each time it says I need to correct my email address - despite putting my correct address - so I'm finding it pretty difficult enter.

Can anybody help me with this?


Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 3:15 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Big fingers.

Merry Christmas.

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:44 pm, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Golly Tony ..... you were entering the Women's too? 
: -)

Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 1:37 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Me too!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year?

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 9:29 am, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 


Re: Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

The latest issue has been resolved. I've personally submitted test entries and am confident the tournament system is now working correctly. I'm very sorry for the inconveniences these errors have created.

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Tim Murphy <croquetscores@...> wrote:
I'm looking into the issue.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:
Well I've filled in the entry form twice now but each time it says I need to correct my email address - despite putting my correct address - so I'm finding it pretty difficult enter.

Can anybody help me with this?


Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 3:15 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Big fingers.

Merry Christmas.

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:44 pm, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Golly Tony ..... you were entering the Women's too? 
: -)

Alix (mob)
0400 825 920

AUSTRALIA: RESETTLING BOAT PEOPLE SINCE 1788


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Hall <tony.hall@...>
Date:30/12/2016 1:37 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

Me too!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year?

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 30 Dec 2016, at 9:29 am, Alix Verge <alixverge@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter. I followed your link to the ACA site and followed the “enter women’s singles here” link and was taken to a blank page ….. twice. I do hope this is a problem with my computing skills and not the ACA website.

 

Alix.

 

From: cnswplayers@groups.io [mailto:cnswplayers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Freer
Sent: 29 December, 2016 11:50 PM
To: cnswplayers@groups.io
Subject: [cnswplayers] Aust AC March 2017 - entry open

 

You can now enter the Aust AC Women’s & Men’s Singles in Tasmania, next March, via the ACA website – see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/   

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

ACA Events

0412 178 254

 



Re: New handicaps for GC

 

Brenda,

As it is the ACA who are "in charge" of "and responsible for" the introduction of the new system. The (good) questions you have asked are probably being asked by other states and should be answered directly by the ACA. The worse thing that could happen is that CNSW or any other state association issues any form of statement or ruling and gets it wrong. FYI there were no real problems when it was introduced in the UK (I was there when it was both in 2015 when it was being trialled in 2016 shortly after it was introduced).

Regards
Steve Thornton
CNSW

On 30 December 2016 at 20:46, Jimbo <jimbo.croquet@...> wrote:
Brenda
I would suggest that you email your concerns to the CNSW board as many of the questions require official response.

Jim



On 22 Dec 2016 11:28 PM, "Brenda Evans" <Brenda@...> wrote:
Hello All,

Having read the information (available on the ACA website) defining the new Handicap system for Golf Croquet, I have the following concerns/questions:

1.     With the current system, players on handicaps of 10, 11 and 12 do not lose index points. Will a similar rule apply to the new system? If so, for what handicap range?

2.     Currently there are 3 grades of players -     
        division 1 (handicaps 0 to 4)
        division 2 (handicaps 5 to 8)
        division 3 (handicaps 9 to 12)
How many grades will there be in the new system and what will be the handicap ranges?
3.        The CNSW Events page is advertising pennants and championship events  with closing dates prior to the introduction of the new rules, starting before that date and
            continuing after the date (e.g. divisions 2 and 3 pennants) When will the information (mentioned in point 2) be made available?

4.        The instruction for the Setting of Initial Handicaps gives a system to allocate handicaps ranging from 7 to 16. Why, then, are there handicaps of 18 and 20?
            How does one "achieve" a handicap of 18 or 20 ? What happenned to handicaps of 13, 15, 17 and 19?

5.        When will the new handicap cards be available, both physically and on line, for download?

6.        When this system was being trialled in UK, it was stated that handicaps would not change during an event. Why is this not included by ACA? This, in particular, 
            would eliminate the situation where, in a match of the best of 3 games, both players reach a trigger point (the winner improving his handicap and the loser moving to a
            poorer handicap) and then the loser of that game wins the next 2 games, thus winning the match. This means that the person who loses the match has
            improved his handicap and the winner of the match has "gone backwards". It is interessting to note the following found on www.croquet.org.uk

Handicap changes do not necessarily become effective immediately. They only become effective at the end of the tournament if it is a CA Calendar Fixture or any other tournament lasting no more than four days. In all other cases handicap changes become effective at the end of the day. If a player's index goes through a trigger point and then goes back through the same trigger point during the tournament or day, their handicap does not change.

I look forward to receiving clarification of these points.

Brenda Evans


Re: New handicaps for GC

Brenda Evans <Brenda@...>
 

Hi Steve,

Thank you. I agree that ACA should provide the answers but I also think that CNSW should be asking the questions and chasing ACA for answers.
However, of particular concern at the moment is the CNSW pennants series for which the closing date is advertised as 1st March, with div 2 and 3 scheduled to commence on 13th March and finals after the 3rd April introduction of the new rules.

Therefore, we need, as a matter of urgency, answers to the following:
  • What are the handicap ranges for the new divisions and how many divisions will there be?
  • In January 2014,  a rule was introduced, whereby players on handicaps of 10, 11 and 12 would not lose index points after losing a game. There is no indication whether this rule will continue or be rescinded.
Will there be a meeting of the CNSW Board during January?  I note that a meeting of the ACA Board is scheduled for 19 January.

I look forward to a speedy response from our governing bodies, so that Golf Croquet players may plan the year ahead with confidence, knowing that the rule changes for handicaps have been clarified and justified.

Best wishes
Brenda Evans




On 31/12/2016 10:08 AM, Steve Thornton wrote:
Brenda,

As it is the ACA who are "in charge" of "and responsible for" the introduction of the new system. The (good) questions you have asked are probably being asked by other states and should be answered directly by the ACA. The worse thing that could happen is that CNSW or any other state association issues any form of statement or ruling and gets it wrong. FYI there were no real problems when it was introduced in the UK (I was there when it was both in 2015 when it was being trialled in 2016 shortly after it was introduced).

Regards
Steve Thornton
CNSW

On 30 December 2016 at 20:46, Jimbo <jimbo.croquet@...> wrote:
Brenda
I would suggest that you email your concerns to the CNSW board as many of the questions require official response.

Jim



On 22 Dec 2016 11:28 PM, "Brenda Evans" <Brenda@...> wrote:
Hello All,

Having read the information (available on the ACA website) defining the new Handicap system for Golf Croquet, I have the following concerns/questions:

1.     With the current system, players on handicaps of 10, 11 and 12 do not lose index points. Will a similar rule apply to the new system? If so, for what handicap range?

2.     Currently there are 3 grades of players -     
        division 1 (handicaps 0 to 4)
        division 2 (handicaps 5 to 8)
        division 3 (handicaps 9 to 12)
How many grades will there be in the new system and what will be the handicap ranges?
3.        The CNSW Events page is advertising pennants and championship events  with closing dates prior to the introduction of the new rules, starting before that date and
            continuing after the date (e.g. divisions 2 and 3 pennants) When will the information (mentioned in point 2) be made available?

4.        The instruction for the Setting of Initial Handicaps gives a system to allocate handicaps ranging from 7 to 16. Why, then, are there handicaps of 18 and 20?
            How does one "achieve" a handicap of 18 or 20 ? What happenned to handicaps of 13, 15, 17 and 19?

5.        When will the new handicap cards be available, both physically and on line, for download?

6.        When this system was being trialled in UK, it was stated that handicaps would not change during an event. Why is this not included by ACA? This, in particular, 
            would eliminate the situation where, in a match of the best of 3 games, both players reach a trigger point (the winner improving his handicap and the loser moving to a
            poorer handicap) and then the loser of that game wins the next 2 games, thus winning the match. This means that the person who loses the match has
            improved his handicap and the winner of the match has "gone backwards". It is interessting to note the following found on www.croquet.org.uk

Handicap changes do not necessarily become effective immediately. They only become effective at the end of the tournament if it is a CA Calendar Fixture or any other tournament lasting no more than four days. In all other cases handicap changes become effective at the end of the day. If a player's index goes through a trigger point and then goes back through the same trigger point during the tournament or day, their handicap does not change.

I look forward to receiving clarification of these points.

Brenda Evans


Re: New handicaps for GC

Len McCallum
 

Steve thanks for your letter.
i agree with what  you say but t feel the CNSW
get it all ok for all of us to play . 


On Saturday, 7 January 2017, 10:10, Brenda Evans <Brenda@...> wrote:


Hi Steve,

Thank you. I agree that ACA should provide the answers but I also think that CNSW should be asking the questions and chasing ACA for answers.
However, of particular concern at the moment is the CNSW pennants series for which the closing date is advertised as 1st March, with div 2 and 3 scheduled to commence on 13th March and finals after the 3rd April introduction of the new rules.

Therefore, we need, as a matter of urgency, answers to the following:
  • What are the handicap ranges for the new divisions and how many divisions will there be?
  • In January 2014,  a rule was introduced, whereby players on handicaps of 10, 11 and 12 would not lose index points after losing a game. There is no indication whether this rule will continue or be rescinded.
Will there be a meeting of the CNSW Board during January?  I note that a meeting of the ACA Board is scheduled for 19 January.

I look forward to a speedy response from our governing bodies, so that Golf Croquet players may plan the year ahead with confidence, knowing that the rule changes for handicaps have been clarified and justified.

Best wishes
Brenda Evans




On 31/12/2016 10:08 AM, Steve Thornton wrote:
Brenda,

As it is the ACA who are "in charge" of "and responsible for" the introduction of the new system. The (good) questions you have asked are probably being asked by other states and should be answered directly by the ACA. The worse thing that could happen is that CNSW or any other state association issues any form of statement or ruling and gets it wrong. FYI there were no real problems when it was introduced in the UK (I was there when it was both in 2015 when it was being trialled in 2016 shortly after it was introduced).

Regards
Steve Thornton
CNSW

On 30 December 2016 at 20:46, Jimbo <jimbo.croquet@...> wrote:
Brenda
I would suggest that you email your concerns to the CNSW board as many of the questions require official response.

Jim



On 22 Dec 2016 11:28 PM, "Brenda Evans" <Brenda@...> wrote:
Hello All,

Having read the information (available on the ACA website) defining the new Handicap system for Golf Croquet, I have the following concerns/questions:

1.     With the current system, players on handicaps of 10, 11 and 12 do not lose index points. Will a similar rule apply to the new system? If so, for what handicap range?

2.     Currently there are 3 grades of players -     
        division 1 (handicaps 0 to 4)
        division 2 (handicaps 5 to 8)
        division 3 (handicaps 9 to 12)
How many grades will there be in the new system and what will be the handicap ranges?
3.        The CNSW Events page is advertising pennants and championship events  with closing dates prior to the introduction of the new rules, starting before that date and
            continuing after the date (e.g. divisions 2 and 3 pennants) When will the information (mentioned in point 2) be made available?

4.        The instruction for the Setting of Initial Handicaps gives a system to allocate handicaps ranging from 7 to 16. Why, then, are there handicaps of 18 and 20?
            How does one "achieve" a handicap of 18 or 20 ? What happenned to handicaps of 13, 15, 17 and 19?

5.        When will the new handicap cards be available, both physically and on line, for download?

6.        When this system was being trialled in UK, it was stated that handicaps would not change during an event. Why is this not included by ACA? This, in particular, 
            would eliminate the situation where, in a match of the best of 3 games, both players reach a trigger point (the winner improving his handicap and the loser moving to a
            poorer handicap) and then the loser of that game wins the next 2 games, thus winning the match. This means that the person who loses the match has
            improved his handicap and the winner of the match has "gone backwards". It is interessting to note the following found on www.croquet.org.uk
Handicap changes do not necessarily become effective immediately. They only become effective at the end of the tournament if it is a CA Calendar Fixture or any other tournament lasting no more than four days. In all other cases handicap changes become effective at the end of the day. If a player's index goes through a trigger point and then goes back through the same trigger point during the tournament or day, their handicap does not change.
I look forward to receiving clarification of these points.

Brenda Evans




Re: New handicaps for GC

Peter Freer
 

Brenda et al – my reading of the revised Rule 16 that will apply from 3 April 2017 (see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/disciplines/golf-croquet/resources/gc-rule16-australian-version.pdf ) is that:

·         there are no GC handicaps of 13, 15, 17 or 19 – the steps below 12 are in multiples of 2, so you go from 12 to 14, and 14 to 16 (see the revised trigger points on p4);

·         everyone will now gain or lose points, including at either end of the range (which explains how someone might drop to 14 or 16); and

·         I gather that CNSW is likely to stick to the 3 existing GC Divisions ie Div 1 would now be -3 to 4; Div 2 stays 5 to 8; and Div 3 is 9 or higher (I suggest that anyone on more than GC 12 shouldn’t be playing GC Pennants until their handicap improves).  No doubt CNSW will confirm this before the 2017 GC Pennants entry closes…

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

Canberra CC

0412 178 254

 

Re: New handicaps for GC

Jan Sage
 

Where and when will the new Golf Croquet handicap cards be available to clubs and players?

The New Golf Croquet Handicapping System - effective 3 April, 2017

Note - new Handicap cards will be printed by the ACA and distributed to State Associations by the end of November

 

Jan Sage
Captain, Taree Croquet Club
 

Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [cnswplayers] New handicaps for GC
 

Brenda et al – my reading of the revised Rule 16 that will apply from 3 April 2017 (see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/disciplines/golf-croquet/resources/gc-rule16-australian-version.pdf ) is that:

·         there are no GC handicaps of 13, 15, 17 or 19 – the steps below 12 are in multiples of 2, so you go from 12 to 14, and 14 to 16 (see the revised trigger points on p4);

·         everyone will now gain or lose points, including at either end of the range (which explains how someone might drop to 14 or 16); and

·         I gather that CNSW is likely to stick to the 3 existing GC Divisions ie Div 1 would now be -3 to 4; Div 2 stays 5 to 8; and Div 3 is 9 or higher (I suggest that anyone on more than GC 12 shouldn’t be playing GC Pennants until their handicap improves).  No doubt CNSW will confirm this before the 2017 GC Pennants entry closes…

 

Regards, peter

 

Peter Freer

Canberra CC

0412 178 254

 



Re: New handicaps for GC

Mary Gibson
 

Peter et al

Why the complicated Divisions with minuses.  Why can't we extend ranges from 1 (without having to go into minus mode).  We should have 4 divisions - 1 to 16.  The bottom division (13-16) should be encouraged to experience a competition (we could hold it at Mosman as we have a lot of new members).  

Regards

Mary Gibson
Secretary
 Mosman

On 09/01/2017, at 9:27 PM, Peter Freer wrote:

Brenda et al – my reading of the revised Rule 16 that will apply from 3 April 2017 (see: https://croquet-australia.com.au/disciplines/golf-croquet/resources/gc-rule16-australian-version.pdf ) is that:
·         there are no GC handicaps of 13, 15, 17 or 19 – the steps below 12 are in multiples of 2, so you go from 12 to 14, and 14 to 16 (see the revised trigger points on p4);
·         everyone will now gain or lose points, including at either end of the range (which explains how someone might drop to 14 or 16); and
·         I gather that CNSW is likely to stick to the 3 existing GC Divisions ie Div 1 would now be -3 to 4; Div 2 stays 5 to 8; and Div 3 is 9 or higher (I suggest that anyone on more than GC 12 shouldn’t be playing GC Pennants until their handicap improves).  No doubt CNSW will confirm this before the 2017 GC Pennants entry closes…
 
Regards, peter
 
Peter Freer
Canberra CC
0412 178 254