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May the fun begin

Tim Dixon
 

Given I am banned for like life from TRF, I thought I may be able to do a few build posts here. I have finally started to assemble my Cherokee-N. The goal is to fly it at Airfest in September. Parts have been laying around for 5-plus years starting back here: 7.74X Cherokee N (Is there a mechanical engineer in the house?). After considering more than a half dozen construction options, I have settled on the "Lego" approach where piece parts will be transported and final assembly done at the launch site as Bill Good did/does with his AGM-78 Standard Arm.


Thank you

Gary Slater
 

I want to take a moment this morning to thank all of my friends in our little group for all you have helped me with since I joined.  I have really appreciated it and continue to do so.  So many of you have contributed to my rocketry growth and experience is many ways.  
 
This year needs no mention of a certain "interference" we have had in our activities.  But at least for a brief time this summer and fall we were able to enjoy our hobby.  In spite of the limited time we had to fly, I had a relatively good year.  On more than one occasion, some of you helped again with input on another weird upscale build and my terrifying (for me anyway) flight of my DX3 XL which I did final prep and everything alone that gave me a personal new high altitude record.  It was a very good flight!
 
So thank you!
 
And for those of you who choose to celebrate, Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah. And for any who choose not to believe and/or celebrate, I still wish you all the best.  
 
Happy New Year 2021.  I am looking forward to it.  
 
gary


high power launch tomorrow in Indiana #Launch

Jonathan Sivier
 

While we aren't holding our launch this weekend the Indiana group that flies near Tab, Indiana is holding a high power launch tomorrow, Sunday, December 13. You can find more info at their web site at

http://www.indianarocketry.org/

I know it is a bit of a drive, especially for those farther west in Illinois, but if you really feel the need to get in another launch this year, this may be your best chance. A few of us will be going over with a group of U of I students to help them test fly their IREC competition rocket on an L motor.

Jonathan


CIA masks still available

Jonathan Sivier
 

We still have plenty of the custom CIA face masks and they would make great stocking stuffers for this year. Although we may not have any more launches this year (depending on how things go) we will very likely have some next year where we will still need to be wearing masks, so if you haven't gotten one yet you might want to think about it. They come in a variety of colors; Black, Turquoise (bright blue), Charcoal, Navy, Pink Raspberry, Purple, Red, Royal Blue, Light Grey.

The price is $10. Let me know if you would like to get one and we'll work out a way to get it to you.

Jonathan


Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Christopher Deem
 

Clusters are hard, maybe they should stop using Copperheads.



Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: Greg Smith <gregs@...>
Date: 12/9/20 8:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

They are really, really successful at making big explosions and positioning the cameras well to get good pictures of them.  :-)

 

But that’s half the fun.

 

- GDS

 

 

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Sivier
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 7:25 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

It was a test flight and most of the things they were testing worked. I think they didn't have a lot of confidence in everything going according to plan, but enough did that they probably consider it a success overall.

Jonathan


Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Greg Smith
 

They are really, really successful at making big explosions and positioning the cameras well to get good pictures of them.  :-)

 

But that’s half the fun.

 

- GDS

 

 

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Sivier
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 7:25 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

It was a test flight and most of the things they were testing worked. I think they didn't have a lot of confidence in everything going according to plan, but enough did that they probably consider it a success overall.

Jonathan


Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Jonathan Sivier
 

It was a test flight and most of the things they were testing worked. I think they didn't have a lot of confidence in everything going according to plan, but enough did that they probably consider it a success overall.

Jonathan


On 12/9/2020 7:16 PM, Bill Murphy wrote:
Unfortunately it crashed: https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/unmanned-spacex-starship-test-flight-explodes-landing/story?id=74637006 <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/unmanned-spacex-starship-test-flight-explodes-landing/story?id=74637006>

On Dec 9, 2020, at 7:14 PM, steven dramstad <sdramstad@... <mailto:sdramstad@...>> wrote:

And one incredible flight!!!!
Sent fromMail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>for Windows 10
*From:*Shaun L. Bill <mailto:slbill@...>
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
*To:*cia-rocketry@groups.io <mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY
https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw <https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw>
No earlier than 1500 at this point...

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@... <mailto:jsivier@...>> wrote:
As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this.

Jonathan

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:

Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB

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Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

rocketman328@...
 
Edited

Leave it to the media to focus on the negative aspect of the flight, so many things worked right. SN8 was a prototype.


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-------- Original Message --------
On Dec 9, 2020, 20:18, steven dramstad < sdramstad@...> wrote:

ABC got it so wrong it should be criminal.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bill Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:16 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

Unfortunately it crashed:  https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/unmanned-spacex-starship-test-flight-explodes-landing/story?id=74637006



On Dec 9, 2020, at 7:14 PM, steven dramstad <sdramstad@...> wrote:

 

And one incredible flight!!!!

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun L. Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point... 

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:

  

  

As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this. 

Jonathan 

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote: 

Looks like hey are prepping to try again. 
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230. 
Nothing happening before 1pm. 
SLB 

 

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Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

steven dramstad
 
Edited

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanocallaghan/2020/12/09/spacex-launches-starship-prototype-on-its-highest-flight-yet-in-an-incredible-test-flight/

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher Deem
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:21 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

The landing could have been better😖

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: steven dramstad <sdramstad@...>

Date: 12/9/20 7:14 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: cia-rocketry@groups.io

Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

And one incredible flight!!!!

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun L. Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point...

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:

 

 

As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this.

Jonathan

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:

Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB

 

 

 


Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Christopher Deem
 

The landing could have been better😖



Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: steven dramstad <sdramstad@...>
Date: 12/9/20 7:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

And one incredible flight!!!!

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun L. Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point...

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:

 

 

As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this.

Jonathan

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:

Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB

 


Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

steven dramstad
 
Edited

ABC got it so wrong it should be criminal.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bill Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:16 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

Unfortunately it crashed:  https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/unmanned-spacex-starship-test-flight-explodes-landing/story?id=74637006



On Dec 9, 2020, at 7:14 PM, steven dramstad <sdramstad@...> wrote:

 

And one incredible flight!!!!

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun L. Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point... 

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:

  

  

As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this. 

Jonathan 

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote: 

Looks like hey are prepping to try again. 
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230. 
Nothing happening before 1pm. 
SLB 

 

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Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Bill Murphy
 

On Dec 9, 2020, at 7:14 PM, steven dramstad <sdramstad@...> wrote:

And one incredible flight!!!!
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Shaun L. Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY
 
https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point... 
On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:
  
  
As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this. 

Jonathan 

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote: 
Looks like hey are prepping to try again. 
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230. 
Nothing happening before 1pm. 
SLB 

 
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Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

steven dramstad
 
Edited

And one incredible flight!!!!

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun L. Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point...

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:

 

 

As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this.

Jonathan

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:

Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB

 

 


Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Shaun L. Bill
 

https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point...

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:
 
 
As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this.

Jonathan

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:
Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB


Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Jonathan Sivier
 

As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this.

Jonathan


On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:
Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB


Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Shaun L. Bill
 

Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB


Re: Starship Prototype update

Robert Brunner
 

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:

WB-57 is air born and bound for Brownsville.
fueling has started.
I am going to make sure I have it up on YouTube.
Best guess at this point is 1545-1600ish.
Your comments made me look up the history of NASA's WB-57s. Wikipedia says that NASA has operated two planes continuously, but in 2011 decided that they needed a third, so the retrieved one that had been stored in the desert for 40 years and restored it to flight status in 2013. That kind of stuff makes me smile.


Re: Starship Prototype update

Christopher Deem
 

Been there, done that.



Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...>
Date: 12/8/20 4:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

Someone must have realized at the last moment that they had forgotten to put the ejection charge powder in the reload. ;-)

Jonathan

On 12/8/2020 4:39 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
Well, that was kind of anticlimactic.

- GDS

*From:*cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Sivier
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:33 PM
*To:* cia-rocketry@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

About 2 minutes to go.

Jonathan


Re: Starship Prototype update

Gary Slater
 

Thanks for the laugh, Jonathan.  Seriously
 

On 12/08/2020 4:41 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:
 
 
Someone must have realized at the last moment that they had forgotten to put the ejection charge powder in the reload. ;-)

Jonathan

On 12/8/2020 4:39 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
Well, that was kind of anticlimactic.

- GDS

*From:*cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Sivier
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:33 PM
*To:* cia-rocketry@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

About 2 minutes to go.

Jonathan


Re: Starship Prototype update

Jonathan Sivier
 

Someone must have realized at the last moment that they had forgotten to put the ejection charge powder in the reload. ;-)

Jonathan


On 12/8/2020 4:39 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
Well, that was kind of anticlimactic.

- GDS

*From:*cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Sivier
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:33 PM
*To:* cia-rocketry@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

About 2 minutes to go.

Jonathan

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