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Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

steven dramstad
 
Edited

ABC got it so wrong it should be criminal.

 

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From: Bill Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:16 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

Unfortunately it crashed:  https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/unmanned-spacex-starship-test-flight-explodes-landing/story?id=74637006



On Dec 9, 2020, at 7:14 PM, steven dramstad <sdramstad@...> wrote:

 

And one incredible flight!!!!

 

 

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From: Shaun L. Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point... 

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:

  

  

As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this. 

Jonathan 

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote: 

Looks like hey are prepping to try again. 
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230. 
Nothing happening before 1pm. 
SLB 

 

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Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Bill Murphy
 

On Dec 9, 2020, at 7:14 PM, steven dramstad <sdramstad@...> wrote:

And one incredible flight!!!!
 
 
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From: Shaun L. Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY
 
https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point... 
On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:
  
  
As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this. 

Jonathan 

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote: 
Looks like hey are prepping to try again. 
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230. 
Nothing happening before 1pm. 
SLB 

 
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Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

steven dramstad
 
Edited

And one incredible flight!!!!

 

 

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From: Shaun L. Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

 

https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point...

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:

 

 

As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this.

Jonathan

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:

Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB

 

 


Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Shaun L. Bill
 

https://youtu.be/D8bZkTjEnXw 
No earlier than 1500 at this point...

On 12/09/2020 12:30 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:
 
 
As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this.

Jonathan

On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:
Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB


Re: Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Jonathan Sivier
 

As we learned yesterday the launch can be scratched, even at the very last second and the email list isn't a very good way to discuss a real-time event list this. Is there a link to coverage of the launch like there was yesterday? Perhaps you can post it and those who are interested can tune in. I think we should try to limit the amount of chatter on the list. Announcing an event and inviting people to check it out is good, and if anyone has anything significant to add that is also fine. However, I think we got a bit caught up in the event yesterday and had a lot of messages that didn't really add much to the discussion for those who weren't watching the coverage. I don't know if the Facebook group would work better for chatting about a real-time event. It may be that nothing we have currently set up will work well for this.

Jonathan


On 12/9/2020 12:14 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:
Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB


Starship Prototype WEDNESDAY

Shaun L. Bill
 

Looks like hey are prepping to try again.
WB-57 has a flight plan is currently slated for TO at 1230.
Nothing happening before 1pm.
SLB


Re: Starship Prototype update

Robert Brunner
 

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:

WB-57 is air born and bound for Brownsville.
fueling has started.
I am going to make sure I have it up on YouTube.
Best guess at this point is 1545-1600ish.
Your comments made me look up the history of NASA's WB-57s. Wikipedia says that NASA has operated two planes continuously, but in 2011 decided that they needed a third, so the retrieved one that had been stored in the desert for 40 years and restored it to flight status in 2013. That kind of stuff makes me smile.


Re: Starship Prototype update

Christopher Deem
 

Been there, done that.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...>
Date: 12/8/20 4:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

Someone must have realized at the last moment that they had forgotten to put the ejection charge powder in the reload. ;-)

Jonathan

On 12/8/2020 4:39 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
Well, that was kind of anticlimactic.

- GDS

*From:*cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Sivier
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:33 PM
*To:* cia-rocketry@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

About 2 minutes to go.

Jonathan


Re: Starship Prototype update

Gary Slater
 

Thanks for the laugh, Jonathan.  Seriously
 

On 12/08/2020 4:41 PM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:
 
 
Someone must have realized at the last moment that they had forgotten to put the ejection charge powder in the reload. ;-)

Jonathan

On 12/8/2020 4:39 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
Well, that was kind of anticlimactic.

- GDS

*From:*cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Sivier
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:33 PM
*To:* cia-rocketry@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

About 2 minutes to go.

Jonathan


Re: Starship Prototype update

Jonathan Sivier
 

Someone must have realized at the last moment that they had forgotten to put the ejection charge powder in the reload. ;-)

Jonathan


On 12/8/2020 4:39 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
Well, that was kind of anticlimactic.

- GDS

*From:*cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Sivier
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:33 PM
*To:* cia-rocketry@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

About 2 minutes to go.

Jonathan


Re: Starship Prototype update

Greg Smith
 

Well, that was kind of anticlimactic.

 

- GDS

 

 

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Sivier
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:33 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

 

About 2 minutes to go.

Jonathan


Re: Starship Prototype update

Jonathan Sivier
 

No go for today.

Jonathan


On 12/8/2020 4:33 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:
About 2 minutes to go.

Jonathan

On 12/8/2020 4:21 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:

Current target for launch is 1630

On 12/08/2020 3:23 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
WB-57 is air born and bound for Brownsville.
fueling has started.
I am going to make sure I have it up on YouTube.
Best guess at this point is 1545-1600ish.

On 12/08/2020 2:23 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
NASA WB-57 out of Ellington (Houston) being used to support this.
Currently not slated to take off until 230pm CST.
When that takes off, it should give us a 30-45 minute warning.

On 12/08/2020 1:32 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
prepping for flight now
Nothing before 2pm...probably later

On 12/08/2020 11:36 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
exactly what I meant

On 12/08/2020 11:33 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
Lowered Expectations!

On 12/08/2020 11:19 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
Would that be Elon's way of saying, without saying, he doesn't expect it to go well?

On 12/08/2020 11:15 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
Looks like flight window opens about 2pm.
Because this is a prototype test, Elon estimates maybe 1/3 chance of getting SN8 back intact.

On 12/08/2020 10:51 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
Nothing immediately imminent.
Pad is clear and some venting is taking place but Remove Before Flight" items still in place.

On 12/08/2020 9:53 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
SpaceX Starship set to begin live coverage in a few minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I>>
only scheduled for a 12.5 km flight but with landing of the rocket too I think


Re: Starship Prototype update

Jonathan Sivier
 

About 2 minutes to go.

Jonathan


On 12/8/2020 4:21 PM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:
Current target for launch is 1630
On 12/08/2020 3:23 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
WB-57 is air born and bound for Brownsville.
fueling has started.
I am going to make sure I have it up on YouTube.
Best guess at this point is 1545-1600ish.
On 12/08/2020 2:23 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
NASA WB-57 out of Ellington (Houston) being used to support this.
Currently not slated to take off until 230pm CST.
When that takes off, it should give us a 30-45 minute warning.
On 12/08/2020 1:32 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
prepping for flight now
Nothing before 2pm...probably later
On 12/08/2020 11:36 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
exactly what I meant
On 12/08/2020 11:33 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
Lowered Expectations!

On 12/08/2020 11:19 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
Would that be Elon's way of saying, without saying, he doesn't expect it to go well?
On 12/08/2020 11:15 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
Looks like flight window opens about 2pm.
Because this is a prototype test, Elon estimates maybe 1/3 chance of getting SN8 back intact.
On 12/08/2020 10:51 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
Nothing immediately imminent.
Pad is clear and some venting is taking place but Remove Before Flight" items still in place.
On 12/08/2020 9:53 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
SpaceX Starship set to begin live coverage in a few minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I>
only scheduled for a 12.5 km flight but with landing of the rocket too I think


Re: Starship Prototype update

Shaun L. Bill
 

Current target for launch is 1630

On 12/08/2020 3:23 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
WB-57 is air born and bound for Brownsville.
fueling has started.
I am going to make sure I have it up on YouTube.
Best guess at this point is 1545-1600ish.
On 12/08/2020 2:23 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
NASA WB-57 out of Ellington (Houston) being used to support this.
Currently not slated to take off until 230pm CST.
When that takes off, it should give us a 30-45 minute warning.
On 12/08/2020 1:32 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
prepping for flight now
Nothing before 2pm...probably later
On 12/08/2020 11:36 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
exactly what I meant
On 12/08/2020 11:33 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Lowered Expectations!

On 12/08/2020 11:19 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
Would that be Elon's way of saying, without saying, he doesn't expect it to go well?  
 
On 12/08/2020 11:15 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Looks like flight window opens about 2pm.
Because this is a prototype test, Elon estimates maybe 1/3 chance of getting SN8 back intact. 
On 12/08/2020 10:51 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Nothing immediately imminent.
Pad is clear and some venting is taking place but Remove Before Flight" items still in place.
On 12/08/2020 9:53 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
SpaceX Starship set to begin live coverage in a few minutes:
 
 
only scheduled for a 12.5 km flight but with landing of the rocket too I think
 


new L2 exam

Gary Slater
 

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Re: Starship Prototype update

Shaun L. Bill
 

WB-57 is air born and bound for Brownsville.
fueling has started.
I am going to make sure I have it up on YouTube.
Best guess at this point is 1545-1600ish.

On 12/08/2020 2:23 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
NASA WB-57 out of Ellington (Houston) being used to support this.
Currently not slated to take off until 230pm CST.
When that takes off, it should give us a 30-45 minute warning.
On 12/08/2020 1:32 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
prepping for flight now
Nothing before 2pm...probably later
On 12/08/2020 11:36 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
exactly what I meant
On 12/08/2020 11:33 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Lowered Expectations!

On 12/08/2020 11:19 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
Would that be Elon's way of saying, without saying, he doesn't expect it to go well?  
 
On 12/08/2020 11:15 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Looks like flight window opens about 2pm.
Because this is a prototype test, Elon estimates maybe 1/3 chance of getting SN8 back intact. 
On 12/08/2020 10:51 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Nothing immediately imminent.
Pad is clear and some venting is taking place but Remove Before Flight" items still in place.
On 12/08/2020 9:53 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
SpaceX Starship set to begin live coverage in a few minutes:
 
 
only scheduled for a 12.5 km flight but with landing of the rocket too I think
 


Re: Starship Prototype update

steven dramstad
 
Edited

He gave the Falcon Heavy launch a 50% chance of success. Was calling it a success if it didn’t take out the launch pad……

 

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From: Gary Slater
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:19 AM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Starship Prototype update

 

Would that be Elon's way of saying, without saying, he doesn't expect it to go well?  

 

On 12/08/2020 11:15 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:

 

 

Looks like flight window opens about 2pm.
Because this is a prototype test, Elon estimates maybe 1/3 chance of getting SN8 back intact. 

On 12/08/2020 10:51 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:

 

 

Nothing immediately imminent.
Pad is clear and some venting is taking place but Remove Before Flight" items still in place.

On 12/08/2020 9:53 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:

 

 

SpaceX Starship set to begin live coverage in a few minutes:

 

 

only scheduled for a 12.5 km flight but with landing of the rocket too I think

 

 

 


Re: Starship Prototype update

Shaun L. Bill
 

NASA WB-57 out of Ellington (Houston) being used to support this.
Currently not slated to take off until 230pm CST.
When that takes off, it should give us a 30-45 minute warning.

On 12/08/2020 1:32 PM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
prepping for flight now
Nothing before 2pm...probably later
On 12/08/2020 11:36 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
exactly what I meant
On 12/08/2020 11:33 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Lowered Expectations!

On 12/08/2020 11:19 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
Would that be Elon's way of saying, without saying, he doesn't expect it to go well?  
 
On 12/08/2020 11:15 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Looks like flight window opens about 2pm.
Because this is a prototype test, Elon estimates maybe 1/3 chance of getting SN8 back intact. 
On 12/08/2020 10:51 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Nothing immediately imminent.
Pad is clear and some venting is taking place but Remove Before Flight" items still in place.
On 12/08/2020 9:53 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
SpaceX Starship set to begin live coverage in a few minutes:
 
 
only scheduled for a 12.5 km flight but with landing of the rocket too I think
 


Re: Starship Prototype update

Shaun L. Bill
 

prepping for flight now
Nothing before 2pm...probably later

On 12/08/2020 11:36 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
exactly what I meant
On 12/08/2020 11:33 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Lowered Expectations!

On 12/08/2020 11:19 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
Would that be Elon's way of saying, without saying, he doesn't expect it to go well?  
 
On 12/08/2020 11:15 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Looks like flight window opens about 2pm.
Because this is a prototype test, Elon estimates maybe 1/3 chance of getting SN8 back intact. 
On 12/08/2020 10:51 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Nothing immediately imminent.
Pad is clear and some venting is taking place but Remove Before Flight" items still in place.
On 12/08/2020 9:53 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
SpaceX Starship set to begin live coverage in a few minutes:
 
 
only scheduled for a 12.5 km flight but with landing of the rocket too I think
 


Re: Starship Prototype update

Gary Slater
 

exactly what I meant

On 12/08/2020 11:33 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Lowered Expectations!

On 12/08/2020 11:19 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
Would that be Elon's way of saying, without saying, he doesn't expect it to go well?  
 
On 12/08/2020 11:15 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Looks like flight window opens about 2pm.
Because this is a prototype test, Elon estimates maybe 1/3 chance of getting SN8 back intact. 
On 12/08/2020 10:51 AM Shaun L. Bill <slbill@...> wrote:
 
 
Nothing immediately imminent.
Pad is clear and some venting is taking place but Remove Before Flight" items still in place.
On 12/08/2020 9:53 AM Gary Slater <gws77@...> wrote:
 
 
SpaceX Starship set to begin live coverage in a few minutes:
 
 
only scheduled for a 12.5 km flight but with landing of the rocket too I think
 

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