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Outlook for Saturday #Launch

Greg Smith
 

We have a rocket launch scheduled tomorrow, Saturday, October 10, at the Rantoul Aviation Center. For directions to this site, see http://www.ciarocketry.org/maps.html#rantoul

Setup will begin at 12:00 noon, probably at our usual location at the southwest corner of the airfield, near the hay barn. Our waiver allows flights up to 10,000' MSL (or 9,263' from ground level). We can fly until sunset at 6:20 PM.

If we fly tomorrow, it will also be our "mini-GARLO" launch, with awards for best flight, best looking rocket, and theme (20/20 Vision).

The forecast:

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Saturday - Partly sunny, with a high near 82. South southwest wind 8 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 16 mph.

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We'll have to watch those wind gusts. We won't be able to fly if they exceed 20 mph. I'm mostly optimistic that we'll be able to hold the launch, but will need to check the conditions in the morning. I'll post the final decision about the launch here shortly after 11:00 AM tomorrow. You can also call me after that time at 217-840-1678 for an update.

Our next launch will be Saturday, October 24, also at the Rantoul Aviation Center.

We will be enforcing our physical distancing and masking requirements at tomorrow's launch. (See Jonathan to get one of our cool CIA logo masks!)

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Greg Smith N9LHI
NAR 15881 * TRA 1974
Director of Operations, Central Illinois Aerospace
greg@... 217-840-1678


Re: Saturday #Launch

Christopher Deem
 

I am planning to be there
Don't know how much I will do.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: steven dramstad <sdramstad@...>
Date: 10/9/20 6:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Saturday #Launch

Will you be there Chris?


On Oct 8, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Rick Lyons via groups.io <medic_633@...> wrote:

 Yes, I’ve taken the test.


On Oct 8, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:

I have one, have you already taken the test?

Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2

Rick Lyons via groups.io wrote:
I would like to try to get my Level 2 this weekend, but unfortunately
I don't have a motor. Would someone possibly have a reload for a
Aerotech 54-852, possibly a J 315? Or would someone have a different
case I could borrow, and sell me a reload. Thanks.......Rick Lyons

On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 1:45:49 PM CDT, Jonathan Sivier
<jsivier@...> wrote:


Just a quick heads up that we have a launch scheduled for this coming
Saturday, October 10. It will be held at the Rantoul launch site. We
have checked the field and the crops have been harvested so we should
be good to go. Of course, there is always the weather to worry about.
It is looking pretty good at the moment, but Greg will send out his
regular update tomorrow with more information. Let's hope the weather
cooperates.

Jonathan


Re: Saturday #Launch

steven dramstad
 

Will you be there Chris?


On Oct 8, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Rick Lyons via groups.io <medic_633@...> wrote:

 Yes, I’ve taken the test.


On Oct 8, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:

I have one, have you already taken the test?

Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2

Rick Lyons via groups.io wrote:
I would like to try to get my Level 2 this weekend, but unfortunately
I don't have a motor. Would someone possibly have a reload for a
Aerotech 54-852, possibly a J 315? Or would someone have a different
case I could borrow, and sell me a reload. Thanks.......Rick Lyons

On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 1:45:49 PM CDT, Jonathan Sivier
<jsivier@...> wrote:


Just a quick heads up that we have a launch scheduled for this coming
Saturday, October 10. It will be held at the Rantoul launch site. We
have checked the field and the crops have been harvested so we should
be good to go. Of course, there is always the weather to worry about.
It is looking pretty good at the moment, but Greg will send out his
regular update tomorrow with more information. Let's hope the weather
cooperates.

Jonathan


Re: Saturday #Launch

Rick Lyons
 

Yes, I’ve taken the test.


On Oct 8, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:

I have one, have you already taken the test?

Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2

Rick Lyons via groups.io wrote:
I would like to try to get my Level 2 this weekend, but unfortunately
I don't have a motor. Would someone possibly have a reload for a
Aerotech 54-852, possibly a J 315? Or would someone have a different
case I could borrow, and sell me a reload. Thanks.......Rick Lyons

On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 1:45:49 PM CDT, Jonathan Sivier
<jsivier@...> wrote:


Just a quick heads up that we have a launch scheduled for this coming
Saturday, October 10. It will be held at the Rantoul launch site. We
have checked the field and the crops have been harvested so we should
be good to go. Of course, there is always the weather to worry about.
It is looking pretty good at the moment, but Greg will send out his
regular update tomorrow with more information. Let's hope the weather
cooperates.

Jonathan


Re: Saturday #Launch

Christopher Deem
 

I have one, have you already taken the test?

Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2

Rick Lyons via groups.io wrote:

I would like to try to get my Level 2 this weekend, but unfortunately
I don't have a motor. Would someone possibly have a reload for a
Aerotech 54-852, possibly a J 315? Or would someone have a different
case I could borrow, and sell me a reload. Thanks.......Rick Lyons

On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 1:45:49 PM CDT, Jonathan Sivier
<jsivier@...> wrote:


Just a quick heads up that we have a launch scheduled for this coming
Saturday, October 10. It will be held at the Rantoul launch site. We
have checked the field and the crops have been harvested so we should
be good to go. Of course, there is always the weather to worry about.
It is looking pretty good at the moment, but Greg will send out his
regular update tomorrow with more information. Let's hope the weather
cooperates.

Jonathan


Re: Saturday #Launch

Rick Lyons
 

I would like to try to get my Level 2 this weekend, but unfortunately I don't have a motor. Would someone possibly have a reload for a Aerotech 54-852, possibly a J 315? Or would someone have a different case I could borrow, and sell me a reload. Thanks.......Rick Lyons

On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 1:45:49 PM CDT, Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:


Just a quick heads up that we have a launch scheduled for this coming Saturday, October 10. It will be held at the Rantoul launch site. We have checked the field and the crops have been harvested so we should be good to go. Of course, there is always the weather to worry about. It is looking pretty good at the moment, but Greg will send out his regular update tomorrow with more information. Let's hope the weather cooperates.

Jonathan


Saturday #Launch

Jonathan Sivier
 

Just a quick heads up that we have a launch scheduled for this coming Saturday, October 10. It will be held at the Rantoul launch site. We have checked the field and the crops have been harvested so we should be good to go. Of course, there is always the weather to worry about. It is looking pretty good at the moment, but Greg will send out his regular update tomorrow with more information. Let's hope the weather cooperates.

Jonathan


Re: Photos of a couple late summer launches

Christopher Deem
 

Nice pictures.

Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2

Adam Rouse wrote:


Hey all,

Wanted to let everyone know I finally got my photo gallery online via
SmugMug and the pictures from the launches I have attended this year
are uploaded. I will continue to upload photos to this gallery after
launches that I attend. If you want the original high-resolution
photo, or the RAW/CR2 file, I am happy to provide those for you. If
you want a release to use any of the photos for publication, I am
happy to provide one as well.

Here is the URL: https://ajrouse.smugmug.com/Rocketry/CIA-Launches

Cheers!

-Adam


Photos of a couple late summer launches

Adam Rouse
 

Hey all,

 

Wanted to let everyone know I finally got my photo gallery online via SmugMug and the pictures from the launches I have attended this year are uploaded. I will continue to upload photos to this gallery after launches that I attend. If you want the original high-resolution photo, or the RAW/CR2 file, I am happy to provide those for you. If you want a release to use any of the photos for publication, I am happy to provide one as well.

 

Here is the URL: https://ajrouse.smugmug.com/Rocketry/CIA-Launches

 

Cheers!

-Adam


Re: "Chute Spool"

Gary Slater
 

And I forgot, not to mention potential use of necessary space inside of what may be an already limited space air frame.

On 09/30/2020 11:02 AM Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:


I read the article when it came out yesterday and thought it was a clever idea. As you say it would be difficult to set a specific time or altitude for chute deployment, but it would have the effect of delaying deployment to reduce drift. It might be interesting to try it out and see how it works.

Jonathan

On 9/30/2020 9:20 AM, Gary Slater wrote:
Anyone else see this?  A non-electronic, non-pyro delayed chute release idea.
Any thoughts about it?

As I understand it, one basically has to use trial and error adjustments in case your chute releases too early or too late.  And particularly for smaller rockets, it means added weight which means higher thrust motors and delay timing issues??

https://www.apogeerockets.com/education/downloads/Newsletter531.pdf



Re: "Chute Spool"

Jonathan Sivier
 

I read the article when it came out yesterday and thought it was a clever idea. As you say it would be difficult to set a specific time or altitude for chute deployment, but it would have the effect of delaying deployment to reduce drift. It might be interesting to try it out and see how it works.

Jonathan


On 9/30/2020 9:20 AM, Gary Slater wrote:
Anyone else see this?  A non-electronic, non-pyro delayed chute release idea.
Any thoughts about it?

As I understand it, one basically has to use trial and error adjustments in case your chute releases too early or too late.  And particularly for smaller rockets, it means added weight which means higher thrust motors and delay timing issues??

https://www.apogeerockets.com/education/downloads/Newsletter531.pdf



"Chute Spool"

Gary Slater
 

Anyone else see this?  A non-electronic, non-pyro delayed chute release idea.  
Any thoughts about it?

As I understand it, one basically has to use trial and error adjustments in case your chute releases too early or too late.  And particularly for smaller rockets, it means added weight which means higher thrust motors and delay timing issues??




Re: parachute folding

Gary Slater
 

I dont think its as much the way we fold the chute as it is how we attach it. 

Is the rubber band too loose?

Does your arrangement promote snag or binding the chute some way?

I would start there. 

On Sep 29, 2020, at 7:40 PM, Dean Babcock <traceybabcock@...> wrote:


At our last launch i had two chutes that didn't open fully while using the chute release. I would be interested in hearing how others fold their chutes and attach the chute release I sent my chute release to jolly logic thinking there was a problem with it. John replaced some of the components to make it like new. I have been folding following the instructions in tutorial.

Dean


parachute folding

Dean Babcock
 

At our last launch i had two chutes that didn't open fully while using the chute release. I would be interested in hearing how others fold their chutes and attach the chute release I sent my chute release to jolly logic thinking there was a problem with it. John replaced some of the components to make it like new. I have been folding following the instructions in tutorial.

Dean


Re: Level 1 certification

Mark Joseph
 

No shortage of great advice in the preceding replies.

My personal take (and it's all opinion, right?) on choice of L1 rocket kits or scratch designs, is:
a) enjoy what you're building and flying, do it for you - it's yours; (that might make all of the following points irrelevant).
b) keep it relatively simple - limit the use of new techniques and gadgets;
c) consider your present level of building experience and use of specific materials;
d) build for and fly the field(s) you're likely to use: How high will a small H take this rocket? Is there room to fly it on larger motors, too? How about a G motor? There might be a sweet spot in weight that makes it most flexible. Do you care?

With that stuff in mind, I like the idea of 4" cardboard tube, 3/16" or 1/4" plywood fins rockets in the ~3lb (empty) vicinity. 5 or 6 feet tall, 38 or 54mm motor tube. Straightforward construction, you can get your hand in it, very repairable (not that you will ever need to do that). There are many examples of great kits that fit these criteria. Plenty of 3" kits, too, but not all of the above will apply. Though maybe not sexy, a lot of great choices, depending on your tastes.

If fiberglass is your thing, get familiar with the differences in surface preparation, personal protection, and adjust the above for the potential difference in weight. Also many great kits in this range, including some relatively recent thin-wall fiberglass tube that helps keep the weight down. Great Rocketry Forum sticky posts on building fiberglass kits, fiberglass prep, and also good lessons about epoxy.

[and with any material, proper prep for adhesives and paint is always the key]

Great examples (I think) of the 4" paper tube/plywood fin variety:
Binder Excel
Madcow Super DX3
Apogee Zephyr
various LOC kits
several more that I'm not thinking of at the moment - it's not meant to be an exhaustive list, just representative, and vendors with great service.

Fiberglass vendors to consider:
Madcow
Mach1 Rocketry (good thinwall fiberglass, great parts machining/fit)
Hawk Mountain (although we hear very little about them lately)
Wildman - (kit components are generally limited to the basics, unless specifically stated otherwise)

Kits with other materials:
PML
MAC Performance Rocketry (canvas-phenolic tubing, excellent parts fit/machining, great service)

Enough rambling.

Ohs for PML airframe and epoxy, they have some FAQs on their site about just that:
https://publicmissiles.com/PMLAirframesFAQ.pdf (see the Do's and Don'ts of Quantum Tubing

Enjoy the process - we'll certainly enjoy seeing the results, and everything along the way.

Mark


________________________________________

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io <cia-rocketry@groups.io> on behalf of Greg Smith <gregs@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 3:20 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

It’s unobtanium. Solvent welding is the only way to attach anything to PVC, but that doesn’t work with porous materials or thermoset plastics like fiberglass resins, so you’re pretty much out of luck. The PML quantum kits stay together only because the tube is mechanically trapped by the fins and motor tube assembly.

- GDS



From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Slater
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 3:04 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Chris or anyone else, what epoxy does stick to Quantum?


Re: Level 1 certification

Christopher Deem
 

That should have been 32 ounches. 



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...>
Date: 9/29/20 1:51 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

As your friendly neighborhood AeroTech dealer, I would be remiss if I did not mention the AeroTech  Mega Initiator. 4" diameter, 60" tall, 32 inches. 54mm motor mount, with adapters for 38mm anorder in the next
d 29mm. If you order in the next couple of hours, 25% off of the regular $169.99 price.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...>
Date: 9/29/20 11:37 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Here are a couple photos of my last build. Is was a north coast rocketry SA-14 Archer. I like the idea of fiberglass. One reason I was thinking of PML was because of the quantum tubing and how they clams it’s is stronger and smooth without filling in spirals. I will check out hawkmountain. Thanks!


On Sep 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Tim Dixon <dixontj936@...> wrote:


Lon makes some good points. Another great "pro" in considering Binder Design is their thorough, illustrated instruction set, which for a first high power/Level 1 build is great learning in itself.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:58 AM Lon Westfall <l.westfall@...> wrote:
Hi Mike,

I started rocketry with PML kits.  My level one cert was with an Ariel.  I would recommend staying away from Quantum Tubing which is what is used on the Miranda, Endeavour, and the Ariel.  For most people building a first high power kit it is probably best to stick with cardboard or blue tube and no pistons.  Pistons and Quantum Tubing do not mix well although I have had good luck with fiberglass and pistons.  I'm personally fond of fiberglass or carbon fiber rockets but they require more experience with construction than cardboard or blue tube and are much more expensive.  Popular cardboard kits are available from locprecision.com and binderdesign.com.  If you are in the market for fiberglass kits a source for well designed and complete kits is hawkmountian.ws.  Most manufactures of fiberglass kits do not include things like a parachute.

Don't be afraid to ask more questions.

Lon Westfall

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...>
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Sent: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Good morning everyone. I have been thinking about trying to get a level one certification over the last few weeks and I’m looking for some advice on a kit. I have been looking at public missiles and like two of their kits. The Miranda and the Endeavour.
The Miranda is :
3” diameter
62” tall
52oz
And has the kwik switch 54/38/29 MMT.
The Endeavour is:
3.9” diameter
71” tall
72 oz
And has the same kwik switch MMT
I read in an article to think about where you would like to be in 2-3 years after your level one and use a kit with that in mind. That being said I am leaning toward the larger Endeavour. If anyone has had any experience with public missiles kits I would love to know how the quality is. Also if anyone has any other suggestions for different kits I would appreciate it.
Thanks mike






Re: Level 1 certification

Christopher Deem
 

None that I know of for sure, but they do make an epoxy that is supposed to work on plastics.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Gary Slater <gws77@...>
Date: 9/29/20 3:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Chris or anyone else, what epoxy does stick to Quantum?

On Sep 29, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:


What Lon said, Quantum tubing is plastic pipe and most glues will not stick to it. Also, it expands and contracts more than other materials with temperature changes.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Lon Westfall <l.westfall@...>
Date: 9/29/20 10:58 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Hi Mike,

I started rocketry with PML kits.  My level one cert was with an Ariel.  I would recommend staying away from Quantum Tubing which is what is used on the Miranda, Endeavour, and the Ariel.  For most people building a first high power kit it is probably best to stick with cardboard or blue tube and no pistons.  Pistons and Quantum Tubing do not mix well although I have had good luck with fiberglass and pistons.  I'm personally fond of fiberglass or carbon fiber rockets but they require more experience with construction than cardboard or blue tube and are much more expensive.  Popular cardboard kits are available from locprecision.com and binderdesign.com.  If you are in the market for fiberglass kits a source for well designed and complete kits is hawkmountian.ws.  Most manufactures of fiberglass kits do not include things like a parachute.

Don't be afraid to ask more questions.

Lon Westfall

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...>
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Sent: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Good morning everyone. I have been thinking about trying to get a level one certification over the last few weeks and I’m looking for some advice on a kit. I have been looking at public missiles and like two of their kits. The Miranda and the Endeavour.
The Miranda is :
3” diameter
62” tall
52oz
And has the kwik switch 54/38/29 MMT.
The Endeavour is:
3.9” diameter
71” tall
72 oz
And has the same kwik switch MMT
I read in an article to think about where you would like to be in 2-3 years after your level one and use a kit with that in mind. That being said I am leaning toward the larger Endeavour. If anyone has had any experience with public missiles kits I would love to know how the quality is. Also if anyone has any other suggestions for different kits I would appreciate it.
Thanks mike






Re: Level 1 certification

Greg Smith
 

It’s unobtanium. Solvent welding is the only way to attach anything to PVC, but that doesn’t work with porous materials or thermoset plastics like fiberglass resins, so you’re pretty much out of luck. The PML quantum kits stay together only because the tube is mechanically trapped by the fins and motor tube assembly.

 

- GDS

 

 

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Slater
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 3:04 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

 

Chris or anyone else, what epoxy does stick to Quantum?


Re: Level 1 certification

Gary Slater
 

Chris or anyone else, what epoxy does stick to Quantum?

On Sep 29, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:


What Lon said, Quantum tubing is plastic pipe and most glues will not stick to it. Also, it expands and contracts more than other materials with temperature changes.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Lon Westfall <l.westfall@...>
Date: 9/29/20 10:58 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Hi Mike,

I started rocketry with PML kits.  My level one cert was with an Ariel.  I would recommend staying away from Quantum Tubing which is what is used on the Miranda, Endeavour, and the Ariel.  For most people building a first high power kit it is probably best to stick with cardboard or blue tube and no pistons.  Pistons and Quantum Tubing do not mix well although I have had good luck with fiberglass and pistons.  I'm personally fond of fiberglass or carbon fiber rockets but they require more experience with construction than cardboard or blue tube and are much more expensive.  Popular cardboard kits are available from locprecision.com and binderdesign.com.  If you are in the market for fiberglass kits a source for well designed and complete kits is hawkmountian.ws.  Most manufactures of fiberglass kits do not include things like a parachute.

Don't be afraid to ask more questions.

Lon Westfall

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...>
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Sent: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Good morning everyone. I have been thinking about trying to get a level one certification over the last few weeks and I’m looking for some advice on a kit. I have been looking at public missiles and like two of their kits. The Miranda and the Endeavour.
The Miranda is :
3” diameter
62” tall
52oz
And has the kwik switch 54/38/29 MMT.
The Endeavour is:
3.9” diameter
71” tall
72 oz
And has the same kwik switch MMT
I read in an article to think about where you would like to be in 2-3 years after your level one and use a kit with that in mind. That being said I am leaning toward the larger Endeavour. If anyone has had any experience with public missiles kits I would love to know how the quality is. Also if anyone has any other suggestions for different kits I would appreciate it.
Thanks mike






Re: Level 1 certification

Christopher Deem
 

As your friendly neighborhood AeroTech dealer, I would be remiss if I did not mention the AeroTech  Mega Initiator. 4" diameter, 60" tall, 32 inches. 54mm motor mount, with adapters for 38mm anorder in the next
d 29mm. If you order in the next couple of hours, 25% off of the regular $169.99 price.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...>
Date: 9/29/20 11:37 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Here are a couple photos of my last build. Is was a north coast rocketry SA-14 Archer. I like the idea of fiberglass. One reason I was thinking of PML was because of the quantum tubing and how they clams it’s is stronger and smooth without filling in spirals. I will check out hawkmountain. Thanks!


On Sep 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Tim Dixon <dixontj936@...> wrote:


Lon makes some good points. Another great "pro" in considering Binder Design is their thorough, illustrated instruction set, which for a first high power/Level 1 build is great learning in itself.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:58 AM Lon Westfall <l.westfall@...> wrote:
Hi Mike,

I started rocketry with PML kits.  My level one cert was with an Ariel.  I would recommend staying away from Quantum Tubing which is what is used on the Miranda, Endeavour, and the Ariel.  For most people building a first high power kit it is probably best to stick with cardboard or blue tube and no pistons.  Pistons and Quantum Tubing do not mix well although I have had good luck with fiberglass and pistons.  I'm personally fond of fiberglass or carbon fiber rockets but they require more experience with construction than cardboard or blue tube and are much more expensive.  Popular cardboard kits are available from locprecision.com and binderdesign.com.  If you are in the market for fiberglass kits a source for well designed and complete kits is hawkmountian.ws.  Most manufactures of fiberglass kits do not include things like a parachute.

Don't be afraid to ask more questions.

Lon Westfall

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...>
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Sent: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Good morning everyone. I have been thinking about trying to get a level one certification over the last few weeks and I’m looking for some advice on a kit. I have been looking at public missiles and like two of their kits. The Miranda and the Endeavour.
The Miranda is :
3” diameter
62” tall
52oz
And has the kwik switch 54/38/29 MMT.
The Endeavour is:
3.9” diameter
71” tall
72 oz
And has the same kwik switch MMT
I read in an article to think about where you would like to be in 2-3 years after your level one and use a kit with that in mind. That being said I am leaning toward the larger Endeavour. If anyone has had any experience with public missiles kits I would love to know how the quality is. Also if anyone has any other suggestions for different kits I would appreciate it.
Thanks mike





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