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Re: Level 1 certification

Mike Maxwell
 

Here are a couple photos of my last build. Is was a north coast rocketry SA-14 Archer. I like the idea of fiberglass. One reason I was thinking of PML was because of the quantum tubing and how they clams it’s is stronger and smooth without filling in spirals. I will check out hawkmountain. Thanks!


On Sep 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Tim Dixon <dixontj936@...> wrote:


Lon makes some good points. Another great "pro" in considering Binder Design is their thorough, illustrated instruction set, which for a first high power/Level 1 build is great learning in itself.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:58 AM Lon Westfall <l.westfall@...> wrote:
Hi Mike,

I started rocketry with PML kits.  My level one cert was with an Ariel.  I would recommend staying away from Quantum Tubing which is what is used on the Miranda, Endeavour, and the Ariel.  For most people building a first high power kit it is probably best to stick with cardboard or blue tube and no pistons.  Pistons and Quantum Tubing do not mix well although I have had good luck with fiberglass and pistons.  I'm personally fond of fiberglass or carbon fiber rockets but they require more experience with construction than cardboard or blue tube and are much more expensive.  Popular cardboard kits are available from locprecision.com and binderdesign.com.  If you are in the market for fiberglass kits a source for well designed and complete kits is hawkmountian.ws.  Most manufactures of fiberglass kits do not include things like a parachute.

Don't be afraid to ask more questions.

Lon Westfall

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...>
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Sent: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Good morning everyone. I have been thinking about trying to get a level one certification over the last few weeks and I’m looking for some advice on a kit. I have been looking at public missiles and like two of their kits. The Miranda and the Endeavour.
The Miranda is :
3” diameter
62” tall
52oz
And has the kwik switch 54/38/29 MMT.
The Endeavour is:
3.9” diameter
71” tall
72 oz
And has the same kwik switch MMT
I read in an article to think about where you would like to be in 2-3 years after your level one and use a kit with that in mind. That being said I am leaning toward the larger Endeavour. If anyone has had any experience with public missiles kits I would love to know how the quality is. Also if anyone has any other suggestions for different kits I would appreciate it.
Thanks mike






Re: Level 1 certification

Tim Dixon
 

Lon makes some good points. Another great "pro" in considering Binder Design is their thorough, illustrated instruction set, which for a first high power/Level 1 build is great learning in itself.


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:58 AM Lon Westfall <l.westfall@...> wrote:
Hi Mike,

I started rocketry with PML kits.  My level one cert was with an Ariel.  I would recommend staying away from Quantum Tubing which is what is used on the Miranda, Endeavour, and the Ariel.  For most people building a first high power kit it is probably best to stick with cardboard or blue tube and no pistons.  Pistons and Quantum Tubing do not mix well although I have had good luck with fiberglass and pistons.  I'm personally fond of fiberglass or carbon fiber rockets but they require more experience with construction than cardboard or blue tube and are much more expensive.  Popular cardboard kits are available from locprecision.com and binderdesign.com.  If you are in the market for fiberglass kits a source for well designed and complete kits is hawkmountian.ws.  Most manufactures of fiberglass kits do not include things like a parachute.

Don't be afraid to ask more questions.

Lon Westfall

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...>
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Sent: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Good morning everyone. I have been thinking about trying to get a level one certification over the last few weeks and I’m looking for some advice on a kit. I have been looking at public missiles and like two of their kits. The Miranda and the Endeavour.
The Miranda is :
3” diameter
62” tall
52oz
And has the kwik switch 54/38/29 MMT.
The Endeavour is:
3.9” diameter
71” tall
72 oz
And has the same kwik switch MMT
I read in an article to think about where you would like to be in 2-3 years after your level one and use a kit with that in mind. That being said I am leaning toward the larger Endeavour. If anyone has had any experience with public missiles kits I would love to know how the quality is. Also if anyone has any other suggestions for different kits I would appreciate it.
Thanks mike






Re: Level 1 certification

Lon Westfall
 

Hi Mike,

I started rocketry with PML kits.  My level one cert was with an Ariel.  I would recommend staying away from Quantum Tubing which is what is used on the Miranda, Endeavour, and the Ariel.  For most people building a first high power kit it is probably best to stick with cardboard or blue tube and no pistons.  Pistons and Quantum Tubing do not mix well although I have had good luck with fiberglass and pistons.  I'm personally fond of fiberglass or carbon fiber rockets but they require more experience with construction than cardboard or blue tube and are much more expensive.  Popular cardboard kits are available from locprecision.com and binderdesign.com.  If you are in the market for fiberglass kits a source for well designed and complete kits is hawkmountian.ws.  Most manufactures of fiberglass kits do not include things like a parachute.

Don't be afraid to ask more questions.

Lon Westfall

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...>
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Sent: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cia-rocketry] Level 1 certification

Good morning everyone. I have been thinking about trying to get a level one certification over the last few weeks and I’m looking for some advice on a kit. I have been looking at public missiles and like two of their kits. The Miranda and the Endeavour.
The Miranda is :
3” diameter
62” tall
52oz
And has the kwik switch 54/38/29 MMT.
The Endeavour is:
3.9” diameter
71” tall
72 oz
And has the same kwik switch MMT
I read in an article to think about where you would like to be in 2-3 years after your level one and use a kit with that in mind. That being said I am leaning toward the larger Endeavour. If anyone has had any experience with public missiles kits I would love to know how the quality is. Also if anyone has any other suggestions for different kits I would appreciate it.
Thanks mike






Re: Level 1 certification

Tim Dixon
 

Both are great kits. Some do not like the piston ejection used on PML kits. Personally, I have never had trouble with them, and they certainly provide great protection for your recovery components. I did my L1 on a PML X-Caliber.


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:25 AM Mike Maxwell <mmaxwell525@...> wrote:
Good morning everyone. I have been thinking about trying to get a level one certification over the last few weeks and I’m looking for some advice on a kit. I have been looking at public missiles and like two of their kits. The Miranda and the Endeavour.
The Miranda is :
3” diameter
62” tall
52oz
And has the kwik switch 54/38/29 MMT.
The Endeavour is:
3.9” diameter
71” tall
72 oz
And has the same kwik switch MMT
I read in an article to think about where you would like to be in 2-3 years after your level one and use a kit with that in mind. That being said I am leaning toward the larger Endeavour. If anyone has had any experience with public missiles kits I would love to know how the quality is. Also if anyone has any other suggestions for different kits I would appreciate it.
Thanks mike


Level 1 certification

Mike Maxwell
 

Good morning everyone. I have been thinking about trying to get a level one certification over the last few weeks and I’m looking for some advice on a kit. I have been looking at public missiles and like two of their kits. The Miranda and the Endeavour.
The Miranda is :
3” diameter
62” tall
52oz
And has the kwik switch 54/38/29 MMT.
The Endeavour is:
3.9” diameter
71” tall
72 oz
And has the same kwik switch MMT
I read in an article to think about where you would like to be in 2-3 years after your level one and use a kit with that in mind. That being said I am leaning toward the larger Endeavour. If anyone has had any experience with public missiles kits I would love to know how the quality is. Also if anyone has any other suggestions for different kits I would appreciate it.
Thanks mike


Re: CIA masks

Dean Babcock
 

I would like a grey mask.


On Sep 28, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...> wrote:

Our custom CIA masks have now been printed. We ended up getting a few in all the colors, except white since the printing is in white, shown on the page at (https://www.sanmar.com/p/10782_HtRed). We will be selling them for $10 each at our upcoming launches. If you have a favorite color(s) and want to reserve a mask(s) let me know. Otherwise you can take potluck when you purchase your mask(s) at the next launch.

I'm attaching a mock-up image showing what the masks look like.

Jonathan
<CIA mask example.jpg>


CIA masks

Jonathan Sivier
 

Our custom CIA masks have now been printed. We ended up getting a few in all the colors, except white since the printing is in white, shown on the page at (https://www.sanmar.com/p/10782_HtRed). We will be selling them for $10 each at our upcoming launches. If you have a favorite color(s) and want to reserve a mask(s) let me know. Otherwise you can take potluck when you purchase your mask(s) at the next launch.

I'm attaching a mock-up image showing what the masks look like.

Jonathan


#Launch CANCELED #Launch

Greg Smith
 

At 11:00 AM, it was 69°F in Champaign, with overcast skies at 1300' and a south wind at 15 mph. (The forecasts through last night did NOT predict the fog, mist and overcast we've seen this morning.)

Conditions are not acceptable for flying right now due to the low ceiling. However, this is forecast to clear in the next couple of hours - but will be followed by wind gusts up to 29 mph by 3:00 PM.

Considering all this, today's launch is (reluctantly) canceled.

-----

Greg Smith  N9LHI
NAR 15881 * TRA 1974
Director of Operations, Central Illinois Aerospace
greg@...  217-840-1678


last call for AeroTech

Christopher Deem
 

I would like to send the order in Monday, if you want anything you need
to e-mail me at chris-deem@... now.

--
Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2


Outlook for Saturday #Launch

Greg Smith
 

We have a rocket launch scheduled tomorrow, Saturday, September 26, at Dodds Park in Champaign.

Setup will begin as soon as possible after 12:00 noon, probably in the south half of the soccer field parking lots. There are soccer events scheduled at the park in the morning, so we may need to delay until they are finished, hopefully around 1:30 PM. Our waiver allows flying motors through "H" class up to 4,000' MSL (about 3,250' from ground level). The waiver expires at sunset at 6:43 PM, but we plan to stay later tomorrow for the second try at our annual night launch. This is a chance to try out your rockets equipped with lights, beepers, glow-in-the-dark parachutes or anything else you can think of to aid in tracking and recovering them. Night flying rockets are limited to 3.3 pounds liftoff weight and 125 grams of propellant.

If we fly tomorrow, it will also be our "mini-GARLO" launch, with awards for best flight, best looking rocket, and theme (20/20 Vision).

Unfortunately, the weather forecast is not good:

-----

Saturday - Sunny, with a high near 85. Breezy, with a south southwest wind 10 to 20 mph, with gusts as high as 29 mph.

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This sounds like it's going to be one of those classic "nice days for anything except flying rockets," with warm temperatures and sunny skies, but way too much wind. I honestly don't think we'll be able to fly, especially since the forecasts usually underestimate the actual wind speeds, but I'll try to remain hopeful until morning. I'll post the final decision about the launch here shortly after 11:00 AM tomorrow. You can also call me after that time at 217-840-1678 for an update.

Our next launch will be Saturday, October 10 at the Rantoul Aviation Center. We'll postpone the GARLO-lite activities until that day if necessary (but won't be trying the night launch again if it doesn't happen tomorrow).

We will be enforcing our physical distancing and masking requirements at tomorrow's launch.

-----

Greg Smith N9LHI
NAR 15881 * TRA 1974
Director of Operations, Central Illinois Aerospace
greg@... 217-840-1678


AeroTech order

Christopher Deem
 

I would like to send the order in in about one week. If you want
anything, e-mail me off list at chris-deem@...

--
Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2


GARLO 2021

Jonathan Sivier
 

We have been discussing what the theme should be for GARLO next year. We would like to settle on a theme soon so that people will have more time than in the past to work on projects for GARLO. The date hasn't been set, but assuming things keep going OK and we are able to continue holding launches it would be at the end of June or beginning of July as in the past.

One suggestion that has been made would be another Mars Lander theme in honor of the Perseverance Rover that will be landing on Mars in February. We had a similar theme in 2015, but Mars is always a good subject for rockets.

If anyone has an opinion on using a Mars Lander theme (and suggestions for exactly what the title might be) we would like to hear it. If you have an alternate suggestion for a theme for GARLO next year we would like to hear that as well.

Remember we will be holding our Unofficial GARLO 2020 "2020 Vision" at our next launch on Saturday, September 26. We won't be doing most of the stuff we usually do for GARLO. However, we will give out a few prizes for Best Theme Rocket, Best Looking Rocket and Most Spectacular Flight. We won't be using flight cards for most of the flights of the day. However, if you have a rocket you want to enter in one of the competitions we will have flight cards to fill out for those. That way we'll have a record of the flights to be considered. We won't have a GARLO t-shirt this year, so we suggest that everyone wear your favorite GARLO shirt from some previous year. We'll have the left-over shirts from past years on sale for $2 each.

That same day we will also be staying later than usual and flying our annual night launch, so come prepared with a rocket or two with lights and flashers to fly after dark.

Jonathan


Re: AeroTech order

Christopher Deem
 

And they are such lovely chemicals.




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: steven dramstad <sdramstad@...>
Date: 9/16/20 8:28 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

Chemical Dealer.  Whole different thing....



On Sep 16, 2020, at 6:38 AM, M via groups.io <grimracercnc@...> wrote:



Drug dealer………………… in a good way!

 

Mike

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Deem
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:03 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

 

I send orders in whenever there is enough interest to meet my dealer minimum, about $400. I also have some motors in stock that I bring to our launches.

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jake Hyde <jakehyde1978@...>

Date: 9/15/20 9:16 PM (GMT-06:00)

Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

 

Thank you I am glad to know this. Unfortunately I just ordered my motors and dip today. I will keep this mind for next time. 

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:

Just a reminder that I'm getting an order together to send into AeroTech
by the end of the month. If you want anything, e-mail me at
chris-deem@.... Since AeroTech is having a sale for dealers, I'm
lowering me prices by an additional 5%.

--
Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2







Re: AeroTech order

Christopher Deem
 

I've got the good stuff.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "M via groups.io" <grimracercnc@...>
Date: 9/16/20 6:38 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

Drug dealer………………… in a good way!

 

Mike

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Deem
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:03 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

 

I send orders in whenever there is enough interest to meet my dealer minimum, about $400. I also have some motors in stock that I bring to our launches.

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jake Hyde <jakehyde1978@...>

Date: 9/15/20 9:16 PM (GMT-06:00)

Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

 

Thank you I am glad to know this. Unfortunately I just ordered my motors and dip today. I will keep this mind for next time. 

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:

Just a reminder that I'm getting an order together to send into AeroTech
by the end of the month. If you want anything, e-mail me at
chris-deem@.... Since AeroTech is having a sale for dealers, I'm
lowering me prices by an additional 5%.

--
Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2







Re: AeroTech order

steven dramstad
 

Chemical Dealer.  Whole different thing....



On Sep 16, 2020, at 6:38 AM, M via groups.io <grimracercnc@...> wrote:



Drug dealer………………… in a good way!

 

Mike

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Deem
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:03 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

 

I send orders in whenever there is enough interest to meet my dealer minimum, about $400. I also have some motors in stock that I bring to our launches.

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jake Hyde <jakehyde1978@...>

Date: 9/15/20 9:16 PM (GMT-06:00)

Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

 

Thank you I am glad to know this. Unfortunately I just ordered my motors and dip today. I will keep this mind for next time. 

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:

Just a reminder that I'm getting an order together to send into AeroTech
by the end of the month. If you want anything, e-mail me at
chris-deem@.... Since AeroTech is having a sale for dealers, I'm
lowering me prices by an additional 5%.

--
Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2







Re: AeroTech order

M
 

Drug dealer………………… in a good way!

 

Mike

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Deem
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:03 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

 

I send orders in whenever there is enough interest to meet my dealer minimum, about $400. I also have some motors in stock that I bring to our launches.

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jake Hyde <jakehyde1978@...>

Date: 9/15/20 9:16 PM (GMT-06:00)

Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

 

Thank you I am glad to know this. Unfortunately I just ordered my motors and dip today. I will keep this mind for next time. 

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:

Just a reminder that I'm getting an order together to send into AeroTech
by the end of the month. If you want anything, e-mail me at
chris-deem@.... Since AeroTech is having a sale for dealers, I'm
lowering me prices by an additional 5%.

--
Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2







Re: AeroTech order

Christopher Deem
 

I send orders in whenever there is enough interest to meet my dealer minimum, about $400. I also have some motors in stock that I bring to our launches.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Jake Hyde <jakehyde1978@...>
Date: 9/15/20 9:16 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] AeroTech order

Thank you I am glad to know this. Unfortunately I just ordered my motors and dip today. I will keep this mind for next time. 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:
Just a reminder that I'm getting an order together to send into AeroTech
by the end of the month. If you want anything, e-mail me at
chris-deem@.... Since AeroTech is having a sale for dealers, I'm
lowering me prices by an additional 5%.

--
Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2








Re: AeroTech order

Jake Hyde
 

Thank you I am glad to know this. Unfortunately I just ordered my motors and dip today. I will keep this mind for next time. 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Christopher Deem <chris-deem@...> wrote:
Just a reminder that I'm getting an order together to send into AeroTech
by the end of the month. If you want anything, e-mail me at
chris-deem@.... Since AeroTech is having a sale for dealers, I'm
lowering me prices by an additional 5%.

--
Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2








AeroTech order

Christopher Deem
 

Just a reminder that I'm getting an order together to send into AeroTech
by the end of the month. If you want anything, e-mail me at
chris-deem@.... Since AeroTech is having a sale for dealers, I'm
lowering me prices by an additional 5%.

--
Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level 2


Re: #Launch CANCELED #Launch

Greg Smith
 

The forecast says the rain will last off and on until about 9:00 tonight – so we’ll just try next time.

 

- GDS

 

 

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of steven dramstad
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:12 AM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] #Launch CANCELED

 

Will we do a night launch then?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Greg Smith
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:05 AM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: [Special] [cia-rocketry] #Launch CANCELED

 

At 11:00 AM, it was 72°F in Champaign, with an overcast sky at 400 feet, light mist, and a south wind at 10 mph. Heavier rain is visible on radar to our north and west and is predicted to begin here about 1:00 PM.

Due to the low ceiling and threat of rain, conditions are poor for flying today, so our launch is canceled.

We'll try again in two weeks, on Saturday, September 26.

-----

Greg Smith  N9LHI
NAR 15881 * TRA 1974
Director of Operations, Central Illinois Aerospace
greg@...  217-840-1678

 

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