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Virtual NARAM!

Jonathan Sivier
 

The NAR is holding a virtual NARAM competition with flights allowed from 10-Jul-2020 to 23-Aug-2020. We don't know if we will be able to hold any launches in July and August, but we are hoping we might be able to do so. If we do you might want to consider participating in this event by flying some competition flights at our launches. See the web site at "https://www.nar.org/site/virtual-naram/" for details.

Here is the latest update on the event.

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Virtual NARAM Update - June 16, 2020

Interested contestants are encouraged to send an email to Don Carson (fulldec2001@...) and/or Chris Flanigan (ccflanigan@...) so we can add you to the growing list of participants.

The Sport Scale rules have been better defined to fit a postal contest.

Did you notice that we are offering cash prizes for 1^st through 4^th place in each division in every event?

* 1st place – Grant ($50)
* 2nd place – Jackson ($20)
* 3rd place – Hamilton ($10)
* 4th place – Lincoln ($5)

Sweet!

Complete details can be found at: https://www.nar.org/site/virtual-naram/


Re: rail to pad attachment?

Greg Smith
 

The drilling goes smoothly enough (though not especially fast) once you get it started. Just use plenty of cutting oil. The problem is keeping the bit in place when starting the hole on the top of the very curved rod surface. A regular center punch didn’t make enough of a dent to hold it in place and the bit would readily slip off to the side. I finally ground out a bigger divot with one of the stone grinders in my Dremel kit and it worked once I got it big enough. A really sturdy drill press vise is needed too.

 

For a stand, you could use something like L-shaped corner braces to fasten the rail vertically to a baseboard. Three sides minimum or all four if that would work aesthetically. Either use the special nuts that engage in the slot, or just drill all the way through the aluminum rail. (It’s soft and that’s pretty easy.)

 

- GDS

 

 

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Slater
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:54 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] rail to pad attachment?

 

Ok thanks, Greg.  Must be a real chore drilling thru that 7/16 stainless rod.  And one would need two holes so double the work.  

I am considering a stand for one of my rail guided rockets to keep it upright therefore using a much small foot print rather than taking up more space on a horizontal pvc type stand.  The rocket is only 54mm but is heavy and awkward so looking for something a bit more than just leaning against the corner too


Re: rail to pad attachment?

Gary Slater
 

Ok thanks, Greg.  Must be a real chore drilling thru that 7/16 stainless rod.  And one would need two holes so double the work.  
I am considering a stand for one of my rail guided rockets to keep it upright therefore using a much small foot print rather than taking up more space on a horizontal pvc type stand.  The rocket is only 54mm but is heavy and awkward so looking for something a bit more than just leaning against the corner too.  

On June 15, 2020 at 3:37 PM Greg Smith <gregs@...> wrote:

They are sections of 7/16” stainless launch rod. I drilled two ¼” holes transversely through the rod, and stainless hex head bolts go through those holes and into the slot on the 1010 rail. 80/20 makes a special nut that fits into the slot to accept ¼-20 bolts, used for many purposes when connecting those rails together and to the plethora of accessories they offer.

 

- GDS

 

 

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Slater
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:31 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: [cia-rocketry] rail to pad attachment?

 

Don't our launch rails have a 1/4 or 1/2 inch rod attached to them that goes into the pad mount?  How are they secured together?  

 



 


Re: rail to pad attachment?

Greg Smith
 

They are sections of 7/16” stainless launch rod. I drilled two ¼” holes transversely through the rod, and stainless hex head bolts go through those holes and into the slot on the 1010 rail. 80/20 makes a special nut that fits into the slot to accept ¼-20 bolts, used for many purposes when connecting those rails together and to the plethora of accessories they offer.

 

- GDS

 

 

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Slater
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:31 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: [cia-rocketry] rail to pad attachment?

 

Don't our launch rails have a 1/4 or 1/2 inch rod attached to them that goes into the pad mount?  How are they secured together?  


rail to pad attachment?

Gary Slater
 

Don't our launch rails have a 1/4 or 1/2 inch rod attached to them that goes into the pad mount?  How are they secured together?  


Re: NAR New Member Guidebook - 2020-2021 edition

Bob Kaplow
 

They always seem to forget to send these to our lifetime members.
I hadn't got one for several years (probably since Rachel was competing)
An email to NAR HQ had one in my mailbox yesterday.


Re: NAR New Member Guidebook - 2020-2021 edition

Jonathan Sivier
 

I just got mine yesterday and haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I'll be sure to do so now.

Jonathan


On 6/13/2020 2:52 PM, Mark Joseph wrote:
Every couple of years the NAR sends (or intends to send) each member the "NAR New Member Guidebook." Sometimes it gets overlooked, or stuck in a pile, never to be seen again, except by accident. My recollection of past Guidebooks is that there was usually an article or two that caught my interest, maybe a good project (I fondly recall the 18mm Monocopter), some good membership reference information, and maybe some repetition from previous editions. Pretty good, really, but not fantastic.

I've just skimmed the 2020-2021 edition (January 2020) online. If you haven't seen it, I just want to say that I think it contains a really great collection of articles - maybe the best I've seen - with a fantastic variety including basic construction techniques, theory, motors, events, competition, simulations, electronics, 3D printing applications, and some more advanced topics (even glue!).

If I wanted to hand a single reference to someone who was either just getting started in the hobby, or interested in exploring some topics to advance beyond the basics, this is what I'd give them. Sure, we've all got a list of books and authors to recommend - Stine, Van Milligan, Canepa, Westerfield, etc. This doesn't replace those, of course. It is, however, something that folks can digest in a single sitting or two, if they wish, learn some new things, and maybe get inspired to take a step into aspects of the hobby not yet explored.

I know that we've all been asked at meetings or launches, "What can I try next? I've been buying the kits and motors available at Hobby Lobby, and it's getting old. What do you recommend that will make this even more interesting for me (and my kids/grandkids/pets)?" I think that this can help.

So, if you're a NAR member, and haven't seen it, take a look at this recent edition at https://www.nar.org/members/magazine-archives/nar-member-guidebook/ (yes, you'll need to log in, but you'll get over it).

If you aren't a member, ask someone who is to share, and maybe this will help tempt you to join. (A pretty good magazine and $5M liability insurance are among the other good reasons.)

Mark


NAR New Member Guidebook - 2020-2021 edition

Mark Joseph
 

Every couple of years the NAR sends (or intends to send) each member the "NAR New Member Guidebook." Sometimes it gets overlooked, or stuck in a pile, never to be seen again, except by accident. My recollection of past Guidebooks is that there was usually an article or two that caught my interest, maybe a good project (I fondly recall the 18mm Monocopter), some good membership reference information, and maybe some repetition from previous editions. Pretty good, really, but not fantastic.

I've just skimmed the 2020-2021 edition (January 2020) online. If you haven't seen it, I just want to say that I think it contains a really great collection of articles - maybe the best I've seen - with a fantastic variety including basic construction techniques, theory, motors, events, competition, simulations, electronics, 3D printing applications, and some more advanced topics (even glue!).

If I wanted to hand a single reference to someone who was either just getting started in the hobby, or interested in exploring some topics to advance beyond the basics, this is what I'd give them. Sure, we've all got a list of books and authors to recommend - Stine, Van Milligan, Canepa, Westerfield, etc. This doesn't replace those, of course. It is, however, something that folks can digest in a single sitting or two, if they wish, learn some new things, and maybe get inspired to take a step into aspects of the hobby not yet explored.

I know that we've all been asked at meetings or launches, "What can I try next? I've been buying the kits and motors available at Hobby Lobby, and it's getting old. What do you recommend that will make this even more interesting for me (and my kids/grandkids/pets)?" I think that this can help.

So, if you're a NAR member, and haven't seen it, take a look at this recent edition at https://www.nar.org/members/magazine-archives/nar-member-guidebook/ (yes, you'll need to log in, but you'll get over it).

If you aren't a member, ask someone who is to share, and maybe this will help tempt you to join. (A pretty good magazine and $5M liability insurance are among the other good reasons.)

Mark


plans for launches this summer

Jonathan Sivier
 

We have been in touch with the park district about the possibilities for holding some launches this summer. At the moment we are unable to make use of the park for group activities. We are hoping this may change when our area enters Phase 4 of the reopening plan. That would allow larger groups and we hope the park district will allow us to hold some launches, with restrictions of some sort.

Thus it may be possible to hold some launches later this summer, but for the time being we aren't able to do so. So our June launches, including GARLO have had to be cancelled. If restrictions are lifted enough that we can safely reschedule the Great Annual Rocket Launch later in the summer or fall, we will try to hold some version of the event.

Jonathan


Re: Rocket Redo

Christopher Deem
 

Looking good. I need to start repairing rockets.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Gary Slater <gws77@...>
Date: 6/5/20 10:35 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: [cia-rocketry] Rocket Redo

Here is another of my covid induced rocket projects. 

About 4-5 years ago, this rocket was damaged at a launch in Rantoul.  That was the day I broke two of our old pvc pads.  One of the launch lugs was ripped off and the forward end of the air frame (not the payload bay) was damaged. 

The picture showing a blue and yellow rocket with yellow flames was my first high power and first large rocket build.  That is a picture taken while loading the igniter for my successful L1 flight.

I finally decided to make the necessary repairs and a few changes.  

The most obvious repair was a new paint job, minus the flames.
It is now six inches longer.   I like big rockets!
It will now fly with white rail buttons.  

I still have lots to do on the Fliskits upscale.  Someday soon hopefully it will be done.  



Sat V (in flight) lamp

Gary Slater
 

$60 on sale but not so sure I would want one.


Rocket Redo

Gary Slater
 

Here is another of my covid induced rocket projects. 

About 4-5 years ago, this rocket was damaged at a launch in Rantoul.  That was the day I broke two of our old pvc pads.  One of the launch lugs was ripped off and the forward end of the air frame (not the payload bay) was damaged. 

The picture showing a blue and yellow rocket with yellow flames was my first high power and first large rocket build.  That is a picture taken while loading the igniter for my successful L1 flight.

I finally decided to make the necessary repairs and a few changes.  

The most obvious repair was a new paint job, minus the flames.
It is now six inches longer.   I like big rockets!
It will now fly with white rail buttons.  

I still have lots to do on the Fliskits upscale.  Someday soon hopefully it will be done.  



Re: Launch

Greg Smith
 

We made a request to the Park District and are waiting for an answer from them, so we’re trying to be proactive about it. My hunch – and it’s only that – is that we’ll continue to be shut down until Phase 4 of the reopening plan, which could come around the end of June (if the virus cooperates). But we haven’t heard anything officially yet.

 

- GDS

 

 

 

From: cia-rocketry@groups.io [mailto:cia-rocketry@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Lyons via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 7:03 PM
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Launch

 

On a local note, any word when the park will be open for rocket launching? I've really got the itch. 


Re: Launch

Rick Lyons
 

I was watching. Kept my string intact. I've lucky enough to watch the first manned flight of every U S manned spacecraft. On a local note, any word when the park will be open for rocket launching? I've really got the itch. 

On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 2:57:42 PM CDT, Greg Smith <gregs@...> wrote:


They did it. Congratulations to the NASA and SpaceX crews.

 

I sure missed Walter Cronkite and Wally Schirra doing the commentary, though!

 

I guess the trick to holding a launch during the pandemic is to invite the President to watch, and to own the flying site yourself.

 

- GDS

 

 


Launch

Greg Smith
 

They did it. Congratulations to the NASA and SpaceX crews.

 

I sure missed Walter Cronkite and Wally Schirra doing the commentary, though!

 

I guess the trick to holding a launch during the pandemic is to invite the President to watch, and to own the flying site yourself.

 

- GDS

 

 


Gifts

Wes Cravens
 

If any of you bump into someone who might want to buy me something special...


Wes


GARLO 2020

Greg Smith
 

Due to the continuing limitations on public gatherings in the next phase of the Illinois re-opening plan and Champaign Park District policies, on Tuesday the CIA Board made the difficult decision to cancel GARLO 2020, originally scheduled for Saturday, June 27.

We will continue to explore opportunities for some smaller, informal club launches this summer, which will probably need to be limited to just a few participants. If restrictions are lifted enough that we can safely reschedule the Great Annual Rocket Launch later in the summer or fall, we will try to hold some version of the event. However, with public health conditions and policies changing frequently in response to the pandemic, we don't yet know when that might be practical or even if it will be possible at all.

We'll keep you informed about future plans and schedule changes through this list, and as always, we're open to suggestions and feedback about how to hold some fun and meaningful activities despite the restrictions. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

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Greg Smith N9LHI
NAR 15881 * TRA 1974
Director of Operations, Central Illinois Aerospace
greg@... 217-840-1678


Re: Your launch site...

Shaun L. Bill
 

Yes, please send.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Jonathan Sivier <jsivier@...>
Date: 5/20/20 11:51 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: cia-rocketry@groups.io
Subject: Re: [cia-rocketry] Your launch site...

We do have a written agreement with the Champaign Park District. Let me know if you would like a copy. You may not want to follow it directly, but it might give you some ideas.

Basically our agreement sets out the responsibilities of the Park District and the club as an affiliate. The Park District agrees to allow us to reserve and make use of the park for flying rockets. They also will publicize our activities and contact info in their brochures. It also specifies how much we will be charged for having the restrooms open a the park during GARLO. This amount is less than what they would normally charge a group holding an event at the park. I'm not sure if they are specifically giving us a break on the cost (they have a park district employee there all day) or if this is just a remnant from an earlier version of the agreement that hasn't gotten updated.

On our part we are required to have insurance for the site, which we get from the NAR. We are required to hold a workshop each year and do some sort of program for their summer camps. These are things we would be willing to do anyway, so that works out OK. We are to coordinate our use of the park with the person who oversees it and obey the rules and not damage anything.

There is a fair amount of legalese as you might expect, the current agreement is 5 pages long, but I think that gives you some idea of what the agreement consists of.

Jonathan

On 5/20/2020 8:19 AM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:
Good morning, everyone.
I am president of the Morton Park District Board of commissioners this year. (It is not a huge deal, it was just my turn.) Coincidentally, one of the first question I got was about launching model rockets.

Do you guys have an agreement, verbal or in writing, with Parkland or the local park district or anything like that? I would love to be able to formalize a policy and be a community that welcomes our little hobby.
Maybe even invite you all to do a build-n-fly.

SLB


Re: Your launch site...

Jonathan Sivier
 

We do have a written agreement with the Champaign Park District. Let me know if you would like a copy. You may not want to follow it directly, but it might give you some ideas.

Basically our agreement sets out the responsibilities of the Park District and the club as an affiliate. The Park District agrees to allow us to reserve and make use of the park for flying rockets. They also will publicize our activities and contact info in their brochures. It also specifies how much we will be charged for having the restrooms open a the park during GARLO. This amount is less than what they would normally charge a group holding an event at the park. I'm not sure if they are specifically giving us a break on the cost (they have a park district employee there all day) or if this is just a remnant from an earlier version of the agreement that hasn't gotten updated.

On our part we are required to have insurance for the site, which we get from the NAR. We are required to hold a workshop each year and do some sort of program for their summer camps. These are things we would be willing to do anyway, so that works out OK. We are to coordinate our use of the park with the person who oversees it and obey the rules and not damage anything.

There is a fair amount of legalese as you might expect, the current agreement is 5 pages long, but I think that gives you some idea of what the agreement consists of.

Jonathan


On 5/20/2020 8:19 AM, Shaun L. Bill wrote:
Good morning, everyone.
I am president of the Morton Park District Board of commissioners this year. (It is not a huge deal, it was just my turn.) Coincidentally, one of the first question I got was about launching model rockets.

Do you guys have an agreement, verbal or in writing, with Parkland or the local park district or anything like that? I would love to be able to formalize a policy and be a community that welcomes our little hobby.
Maybe even invite you all to do a build-n-fly.

SLB


Re: Lockdown !!!!

Jonathan Sivier
 

We don't know what is going to happen as far as rocket launches go over the summer or in the fall. Whether or not we'll be able to hold launches will depend on a lot of factors which are totally unknown at this time.

When our region moves to Phase 3 or Phase 4 of the reopening plan we may be able to arrange for some launches. That may well happen over the next month or so. However, this summer's activity will depend on other factors beyond the mere change in the current Phase. A lot will be up to the Park District and whether they will allow organized groups to use their fields.

As William says farm fields won't be available until October, or later. What the situation will be like at that time we have no idea. Also, just because the circumstances might legally allow us to hold a launch, doesn't necessarily mean it is a good idea to do so. We will have to evaluate the situation at that time and make a decision.

Jonathan


On 5/20/2020 12:58 AM, William Carney via groups.io wrote:
Yes.  Not sure first, mid or late but Oct.  Nothing decided yet.  Farm fields won't be available till Oct anyway.

William

In a message dated 5/19/2020 9:24:52 AM Central Standard Time, gws77@... writes:

Keep hearing (rumors??) our governor is extending the stay at home order for another 150 days. That puts us thru the end of October.

Anyone else seen or heard this? I cant seem to find any facts about it.

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