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Re: Richard Russell has released BBCSDL v1.01a

lettersquash <j.r.freestone@...>
 
Edited

Thanks.

Richard begins that announcement saying "I'm running out of places where I can make announcements!", which I can only assume is a reference to his decision to leave this forum after I complained about his style of posting. In the interests of this group, at which Richard seems to have felt comfortable before my arrival, and with the sincere wish that he might change his mind and resume posting here, I've decided to cancel my membership, as I offered to do at the time.

My apologies to the group for the disturbance. Happy programming. If anyone has any particular need to contact me, you can find me at http://www.bbcbasic.co.uk/forum/ (where I'm also lettersquash).
Cheers
John
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Richard Russell has released BBCSDL v1.01a

8mbgmgs@...
 

Hello,

Yesterday, Richard Russell released BBCSDL v1.01a.
He has posted an announcement about it on the stardot forum: https://stardot.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=16573

Just to let everyone know.
- PM

DBZ FOREVER!!! !!! !!! !!!


Re: * FONT

lettersquash <j.r.freestone@...>
 

Hi LifesVoyager. See http://www.bbcbasic.co.uk/bbcsdl/differences.html
cheers
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* FONT

LifesVoyager
 

Good day all

Should     

 * FONT suitablefontname, number

work on programs running on Android devices, and if so, what might be a suitablefontname, please?

I get   no such font   whichever fonts I try, including Roboto and Roboto light.

Thank you


Re: Problem with SWAP on Android using BBCSDL

DaveinSpain
 

I was experimenting with moving blocks around. I looked at the keywords list within 'touchide.bbc' and came across SWAP so I tried it - RECTANGLE SWAP - but got no response, not even an error message. I therefore thought that I was doing something wrong, it didn't occur to me that it doesn't exist! RECTANGLE FILL worked well for what I wanted.

Most programs are incomplete, look at Microsoft's Office! EXCEL is always being updated! BBCSDL - in my humble opinion - was good and ready to go to v1.00
Dave N

On Feb 11, 2019 00:24, Richard Russell <news@...> wrote:

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> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 01:56 PM, Richard Russell wrote:

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>> No.  It's not a 'standard' BBC BASIC feature anyway: it's something I added in BB4W (because I could) but it's not present in any other version, including Acorn versions and BBCSDL.  I've never seen it used in a program so I didn't think it would be missed.


>
> I was expecting (or at least hoping for) some reaction to this, for example in respect of what your use case is (were you experimenting with RECTANGLE SWAP out of curiosity or because you have a specific application?) or whether anybody else considers the absence of this feature from BBCSDL to be of concern.  I'm willing to bet that 90% of BB4W users have never been aware that it existed!
>
> There are several other features of BB4W which have never made it into BBCSDL, either because of the difficulty involved or because I haven't been able to motivate myself to do so.  When I canvassed opinion on whether to bump the version number to 1.00 I drew attention to the fact that BBCSDL is 'incomplete' but that didn't seem to be of great concern, at least not sufficiently so to warrant delaying that move.
>
> But I am still interested to know if there are features that people think should be added.
> _._,_._,_
> ________________________________


Re: Is there anybody there?

DaveinSpain
 

Sorry Richard but there ARE other, for me, more important things. An invalid wife with Alzheimer's as well as minor things such as shopping and housework keeps me busy.

I have tried v1.00c and still find it fails on my Blackview Android v7.0 No change, other than a different background shape.

I sent you a video showing the fault in stop motion but my failing memory forgot that 'news@...' is NOT your home address! Nevertheless it wasn't important enough for you to request a private viewing.

I love you for the work that you are doing with this BASIC Richard and would miss your help if you were to quit. Please stay.

Regards, DaveN (DaveinSpain)

On Feb 12, 2019 16:50, Richard Russell <news@...> wrote:
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> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 03:29 PM, michael wrote:
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>> I can see your post Richard.  Your not being ignored. 
>
> Hmm.  That doesn't explain why those members who were so keen to investigate, and to help me try to fix, the reported 'ellipses' fault last week ('Jon Welch', 'lettersquash', 'gav', 'Ken Orr', 'Lifes Voyager' and 'DaveinSpain') are apparently no longer interested this week.  Something's not right.
> _._,_._,


Re: Problem with ellipsefill on Android using BBCSDL 1.00a

John Alfred
 

I meant to say a while back, that ellipses.bbc is running fine on my old "Samsung Galaxy S4 mini GT-I9195".
The Android version is 4.4.2 and the BBC BASIC version is v1.00c.
I haven't experimented with any parameters, and just run the program 'as is'.

John A


Re: Is there anybody there?

8mbgmgs@...
 

Richard is an intense kind of person, but that's what we like about him. I greatly admire his spirit and respect him for his strong, straight-talking personality. He's the kind of guy who really puts his heart into things, and no doubt it's a big part of why BBC BASIC is so good.

I hope he will reconsider leaving the group, but at the same time I respect his choices. And considering the pain & health troubles he's dealing with, he really doesn't need any extra stress in his life, so maybe taking a break from being involved in the group would be a good chance for him to relax and rest.


Re: Is there anybody there?

Richard Weir
 

I'm very sorry for my total silence of late. I am ill following the death of my father and the care he needed during his last months. I eagerly read everything posted on this group in the earnest hope I will be able to get back into coding. But for now, I am too tired.

Many thanks for all your efforts. Coding in BB4W was a joy while I had the leisure to do so!

Richard Weir.


Re: Is there anybody there?

gav
 

In my case it's due to illness in the family. I've only just been able to catch up on the discussions. I will try the updated version and report back when I can.

-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Russell <news@...>
Date: 12/02/2019 15:50 (GMT+00:00)
To: bb4w@groups.io
Subject: Re: [bb4w] Is there anybody there?

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 03:29 PM, michael wrote:
I can see your post Richard.  Your not being ignored. 
Hmm.  That doesn't explain why those members who were so keen to investigate, and to help me try to fix, the reported 'ellipses' fault last week ('Jon Welch', 'lettersquash', 'gav', 'Ken Orr', 'Lifes Voyager' and 'DaveinSpain') are apparently no longer interested this week.  Something's not right.


Re: Is there anybody there?

lettersquash <j.r.freestone@...>
 

Thank you, that is extremely helpful - not least that it is exactly why I resigned from the forum recently.  I have been thinking in the last few weeks that it was wrong of me to continue as a member of this group in those circumstances, and you have confirmed that view.  Accordingly this will be the last message that I post here.
Well, that is up to you, of course, but I would be sad and feel guilty about it, and I would not want you to do that on my account. It may only be me who feels this way, and I would much prefer to resign instead. Or it may be a very few who react this way, and you could always choose to ignore the problem. But if this keeps happening, is it not possible to learn from it and adjust your behaviour, rather than thinking it's "wrong of" you "to continue in those circumstances"? These are circumstances you have control over. Aren't they?

I'm sorry if I implied that you should just fix all the bugs when they're reported. I did not intend that, but I did not take into account sufficiently that you can't have access to the necessary machinery.

I'm also sorry about your health issues. I wonder if you'd be better just taking things a bit easier, rather than resigning altogether. Walking's great for lower back pain, and coding, probably not so much! It's good for the brain, too.

I feel very bad about what I said, especially as I appreciate your work and your help so much, but I think it is important to deal with that stuff, not just ignore our feelings, and that was how I felt. Having expressed it, I'm happy to leave it, never mention it again. Or go. I've not been here long anyway, and it is your forum.

All the best
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Re: Is there anybody there?

Robert Keller
 

Richard, i for one will miss you. Your work to keep updated and bugs fixed was truly appreciated by many. I have never been verbal on the forum. I thank you for your hard work. To the critic who told Richard he is whiney and told me use my words i got two little words for you. .. nvm.


On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 3:05 PM Richard Russell <news@... wrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 06:45 PM, lettersquash wrote:
but your attitude sometimes comes over as quite nagging and ungrateful, and you almost always come over as terse and unfriendly.
Thank you, that is extremely helpful - not least that it is exactly why I resigned from the forum recently.  I have been thinking in the last few weeks that it was wrong of me to continue as a member of this group in those circumstances, and you have confirmed that view.  Accordingly this will be the last message that I post here.

Normally, the author puts issues on their todo list,
I confess that I don`t understand how I can put on my todo list fixing a problem that I cannot reproduce on any of my machines.  I did spend many hours over the weekend staring at the code of the ellipse library and running as many tests as I could think of.  And indeed I did find some bugs, which I have fixed in v1.00c, but none that could explain the failure reported by the OP and others.

You seem to take interest as a commitment to work on the team, issue homework, and then you seem to expect results
I was simply trying to ascertain whether my modifications in v1.00c have been helpful or not.  Last week there seemed to be a willingness by members to test new versions, and feedback to v1.00b was immediate; I admit I assumed there would be a similar reaction to the release of v1.00c.

But of course I have to acknowledge that my rapidly developing `cognitive decline` (early stage Alzheimer`s Disease, probably) has severely impaired my ability to write software that works reliably, and to fix bugs when they are found.  I have also been suffering from severe (and worsening) lower back pain for the last two weeks.  This is not intended as an excuse for my totally unacceptable behaviour, but it is a contributory factor.

I wish you and all other members of this group well.


Re: Is there anybody there?

Richard Russell
 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 06:45 PM, lettersquash wrote:
but your attitude sometimes comes over as quite nagging and ungrateful, and you almost always come over as terse and unfriendly.
Thank you, that is extremely helpful - not least that it is exactly why I resigned from the forum recently.  I have been thinking in the last few weeks that it was wrong of me to continue as a member of this group in those circumstances, and you have confirmed that view.  Accordingly this will be the last message that I post here.

Normally, the author puts issues on their todo list,
I confess that I don`t understand how I can put on my todo list fixing a problem that I cannot reproduce on any of my machines.  I did spend many hours over the weekend staring at the code of the ellipse library and running as many tests as I could think of.  And indeed I did find some bugs, which I have fixed in v1.00c, but none that could explain the failure reported by the OP and others.

You seem to take interest as a commitment to work on the team, issue homework, and then you seem to expect results
I was simply trying to ascertain whether my modifications in v1.00c have been helpful or not.  Last week there seemed to be a willingness by members to test new versions, and feedback to v1.00b was immediate; I admit I assumed there would be a similar reaction to the release of v1.00c.

But of course I have to acknowledge that my rapidly developing `cognitive decline` (early stage Alzheimer`s Disease, probably) has severely impaired my ability to write software that works reliably, and to fix bugs when they are found.  I have also been suffering from severe (and worsening) lower back pain for the last two weeks.  This is not intended as an excuse for my totally unacceptable behaviour, but it is a contributory factor.

I wish you and all other members of this group well.


Re: Is there anybody there?

lettersquash <j.r.freestone@...>
 

I dont agree with that synopsis.
Use your words (better).


Re: Is there anybody there?

LifesVoyager
 

I'm getting your messages, Richard, but have been tied up with other matters lately.

ellipses, as supplied, works fine on 2 different android versions here. I haven't had time to explore further.

regards


Re: Is there anybody there?

Robert Keller
 

I dont agree with that synopsis.


On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 1:45 PM lettersquash <j.r.freestone@... wrote:
Richard, I find this thread intensely annoying. I remember this kind of issue coming up on previous forums, and I accept that people are all different, so I try to give you some leeway, but your attitude sometimes comes over as quite nagging and ungrateful, and you almost always come over as terse and unfriendly. I'm really sorry to have to say that.

People here are sometimes asking for help to fix something for their sake, but often they're giving information in order to help you, to fix bugs in your software. They do so in the midst of their busy lives, often, I assume (and this is true for me) as a way to give something back, because they appreciate your work so much. Normally, an author will thank people for these gifts (I am one, and I always do). Normally, the author recognises that this is a gesture and a boon to them. Normally, the author puts issues on their todo list, or they might ask nicely if the reporter would mind debugging a bit, if they've got time. You seem to take interest as a commitment to work on the team, issue homework, and then you seem to expect results. And you thank nobody.


Re: Is there anybody there?

lettersquash <j.r.freestone@...>
 
Edited

I announced the release of BBCSDL v1.00c with a request for feedback: NOTHING.
And that's not even true. Count them.

EDITED TO ADD: My apologies. It has been pointed out to me that this is my mistake. I hadn't taken on board the v1.00c update, and thought this was about v1.00.

I did receive notification of v1.00c, with the requests for as many people as possible with Androids to test and respond. I had skimmed it, since I wasn't able to do any more on it, and had forgotten it when I posted this. I have lots of emails in my inbox about this, and no evidence that messages aren't getting to their intended recipients.


Re: Is there anybody there?

lettersquash <j.r.freestone@...>
 

Richard, I find this thread intensely annoying. I remember this kind of issue coming up on previous forums, and I accept that people are all different, so I try to give you some leeway, but your attitude sometimes comes over as quite nagging and ungrateful, and you almost always come over as terse and unfriendly. I'm really sorry to have to say that.

People here are sometimes asking for help to fix something for their sake, but often they're giving information in order to help you, to fix bugs in your software. They do so in the midst of their busy lives, often, I assume (and this is true for me) as a way to give something back, because they appreciate your work so much. Normally, an author will thank people for these gifts (I am one, and I always do). Normally, the author recognises that this is a gesture and a boon to them. Normally, the author puts issues on their todo list, or they might ask nicely if the reporter would mind debugging a bit, if they've got time. You seem to take interest as a commitment to work on the team, issue homework, and then you seem to expect results. And you thank nobody.


Re: A minor query?

 

Many thanks ...

Yes I eventually found the right file, FIND did not locate VDU26 but I found it visually. I put 5 secs delay in and the window opens correctly. Sorry for all the hassle, and misreading you email.

Well done Richard ...

 


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Re: A minor query?

 

Richard,

I have found sdlide.bbc in the tools folder. I have used FIND but cannot see a VDU26 in it?

 


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