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Re: How best to provide support for BB4W

Richard Russell
 

To those who have suggested I use an email mailing list I'm afraid I am not interested in that option. I am aware that Yahoo! supports an optional email interface to this group (and the strangely-formatted messages I sometimes see presumably arrived via that route) but I have only ever used (and only wish to use) the web interface.


I want to be able to see what everybody else sees, so if I list a piece of code I want to know that somebody can copy-and-paste it into BB4W with confidence that it will work. I also want to be able to post links, pictures, videos etc. in such a way that everybody can view them; email clients are just too variable to be able to guarantee that. That's why the Conforums board is (or was) so much better suited to providing support.


As an additional, technical, complication if I were to configure Yahoo! to send me emails I couldn't straightforwardly reply to them because my 'from' address is not the email address with which I am registered with Yahoo. As I have my own domain (rtrussell.co.uk) I use a lot of different email addresses, which doesn't suit a mailing-list situation.


How many of you use Facebook, Twitter or another social media site (in general they work far better than Yahoo's Neo interface)? Those who do should be comfortable with web-based support. For the others, just because BBC BASIC is 30+ years old and largely obsolete it doesn't mean the support process needs to be as well. :-)


There is already a Facebook group for BBC BASIC so I might consider giving that a go as the primary support portal.


Richard.


Re: How best to provide support for BB4W

 

I think the best solution would be to just ignore these people. The other people on the conforums board are surely mature enough to recognize an unproductive troublemaker.After a while these will get demotivated by lack of reaction and disappear. They may, occasionally, feel inclined to start over again.  Even if they use an alias, you'll recognize a "disruptive" contribution within seconds. Just ignore them systematically. Don' t be tempted to react.
The only effect they have on me is me raising an eyebrow.
 Even if I'm not a very active contributor to the conforums board, I check in every day to see what kind of problems others are struggling with and how to solve them. This a rich source of information and I would really be disappointed to see it abandoned by the person who makes it a point to give clear, precise and well documented replies.

 Eddy

From: "yahoo@rtrussell.co.uk [bb4w]" <bb4w@yahoogroups.com>
To: bb4w@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 11:26 PM
Subject: [bb4w] Re: How best to provide support for BB4W

  Indicative of the problems with Neo, I tried to reply to Rob's message, clicked on the button to include quotes... and nothing! Yahoo seems to think that his message is empty as far as quoting is concerned. So I will have to resort to manually copying and pasting....

Are you not the "owner" of the Conforums board?
I'm not sure about that. I originally created the board, a long time ago, but my most recent 'identity' on the forum (user 'rtr2') and my previous identity (user 'rtr' - this is at least the second time I have resigned!) were as normal members with no admin privileges.

I would have thought that you should be able to simply
bar any obvious trolls and troublemakers?
Even if I could regain admin control, past experience suggests that if I took such a drastic step as to ban somebody they would immediately create another account, under an alias, and more than likely post an extremely critical message accusing me of censorship.

Richard.
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Re: How best to provide support for BB4W

 

I appreciate both your efforts and the problems. For some years I was a major contributor to a forum on video and production but eventually simply had to abandon it because of an influx of bigots and know-alls who'd never let a sensible conversation be unchallenged.

I'm now present only on private but unmoderated forums of professional bodies, where we know who all the members are (because they're paid up members).

I really don't know how to continue this, but I hope there is a way.

Alan Roberts

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Re: Digest Number 3116

LifesVoyager
 

Dear Richard

Your help and advice in the past have been very welcome and appreciated.

The "old" system, where I used to get daily emails, was very useful and I
was always interested to read peoples' problems and cures.

There will always be nutters who invade any process; we just have to ignore
them.

I can't offer a definitive solution, but whatever method you come up with
that will keep me informed of BB4W activities will be most welcome.

Kind regards


Tristan Cooper





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How best to provide support for BB4W <#14fc62e5018d6f9a_1a> by
rtrussellcouk
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Re: How best to provide support for BB4W <#14fc62e5018d6f9a_1b> by "Rob"
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Re: How best to provide support for BB4W <#14fc62e5018d6f9a_1c> by
rtrussellcouk
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Re: How best to provide support for BB4W <#14fc62e5018d6f9a_1d> by
thefamouscash
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Re: How best to provide support for BB4W <#14fc62e5018d6f9a_1e> by
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Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: rtrussellcouk
<yahoo@rtrussell.co.uk?subject=Re%3A%20How%20best%20to%20provide%20support%20for%20BB4W>
This Yahoo! group used to be the 'official' support forum for 'BBC
BASIC for Windows' until the Neo debacle made it effectively impossible for
me to use (the bugs meant I couldn't compose replies in a sensible
fashion). Even now, although things have improved a little, I can only
access it satisfactorily from my laptop and message formatting is often
messed up.


So I moved 'official' BB4W support to the Conforums board, which has
other advantages such as being able to list formatted code snippets without
fear of line wraps or leading spaces being deleted. However that forum has
now been infiltrated by two or three people who are, to put it politely,
not BBC BASIC supporters. Posts from me are not welcome there, and I have
resigned.


That leaves me with no way to provide support other than by personal
email. Whilst I am happy to do that, and am doing so, it is not an entirely
satisfactory situation. So I am asking for people's views on how things
might be arranged differently, or indeed if there is any need for change.
Some other languages seem to manage perfectly well with no contributions to
their forums (fora?) from the author.


Feel free to contact me privately with your opinions, or post them here
whichever you prefer. The 'usual suspects' can spare me their normal
unhelpful responses (e.g. to suggest that I might like to kill myself), I
will take those as read.


Richard.


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Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Rob" robirrelevant
<robert@irrelevant.com?subject=Re%3A%20How%20best%20to%20provide%20support%20for%20BB4W>
Are you not the "owner" of the Conforums board?

I'm not familiar with their system from an admin side, but their terms of
service state "Forum owners reserve the right to delete and modify content
on his/her message board, and control access and membership of his/her
message board." so I would have thought that you should be able to simply
bar any obvious trolls and troublemakers?

On 12 September 2015 at 20:44, yahoo@rtrussell.co.uk [bb4w] <
bb4w@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

This Yahoo! group used to be the 'official' support forum for 'BBC BASIC
for Windows' until the Neo debacle made it effectively impossible for me
to
use (the bugs meant I couldn't compose replies in a sensible fashion).
Even now, although things have improved a little, I can only access it
satisfactorily from my laptop and message formatting is often messed up.


So I moved 'official' BB4W support to the Conforums board, which has
other advantages such as being able to list formatted code snippets
without
fear of line wraps or leading spaces being deleted. However that forum
has
now been infiltrated by two or three people who are, to put it politely,
not BBC BASIC supporters. Posts from me are not welcome there, and I have
resigned.


That leaves me with no way to provide support other than by personal
email. Whilst I am happy to do that, and am doing so, it is not an
entirely satisfactory situation. So I am asking for people's views on how
things might be arranged differently, or indeed if there is any need for
change. Some other languages seem to manage perfectly well with no
contributions to their forums (fora?) from the author.


Feel free to contact me privately with your opinions, or post them here
whichever you prefer. The 'usual suspects' can spare me their normal
unhelpful responses (e.g. to suggest that I might like to kill myself), I
will take those as read.


Richard.



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Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by: rtrussellcouk
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Indicative of the problems with Neo, I tried to reply to Rob's message,
clicked on the button to include quotes... and nothing! Yahoo seems to
think that his message is empty as far as quoting is concerned. So I will
have to resort to manually copying and pasting....

Are you not the "owner" of the Conforums board?
I'm not sure about that. I originally created the board, a long time ago,
but my most recent 'identity' on the forum (user 'rtr2') and my
previous identity (user 'rtr' - this is at least the second time I have
resigned!) were as normal members with no admin privileges.

I would have thought that you should be able to simply
bar any obvious trolls and troublemakers?
Even if I could regain admin control, past experience suggests that if I
took such a drastic step as to ban somebody they would immediately create
another account, under an alias, and more than likely post an extremely
critical message accusing me of censorship.

Richard.
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I am unable to offer a solution to the problem.


I can only say how sorry I am you have encountered this problem and hope
you will find a viable alternative.


Only comment is that there will always be mentally unwell people who enjoy
causing disruption and unpleasantness in any available manner.


Bob.





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Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:07 am (PDT) . Posted by: davidfeugey
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For RISC OS FR, I use a mailing list. It's not as organized as a forum,
but for a low number of messages, it's better, as people will contribute to
more subjects. FreeLists is a very good mailing list provider.

David.



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Re: How best to provide support for BB4W

 

I am unable to offer a solution to the problem.


I can only say how sorry I am you have encountered this problem and hope you will find a viable alternative.


Only comment is that there will always be mentally unwell people who enjoy causing disruption and unpleasantness in any available manner.


Bob.


Re: How best to provide support for BB4W

Richard Russell
 

Indicative of the problems with Neo, I tried to reply to Rob's message, clicked on the button to include quotes... and nothing! Yahoo seems to think that his message is empty as far as quoting is concerned. So I will have to resort to manually copying and pasting....

Are you not the "owner" of the Conforums board?
I'm not sure about that. I originally created the board, a long time ago, but my most recent 'identity' on the forum (user 'rtr2') and my previous identity (user 'rtr' - this is at least the second time I have resigned!) were as normal members with no admin privileges.

I would have thought that you should be able to simply
bar any obvious trolls and troublemakers?
Even if I could regain admin control, past experience suggests that if I took such a drastic step as to ban somebody they would immediately create another account, under an alias, and more than likely post an extremely critical message accusing me of censorship.

Richard.


Re: How best to provide support for BB4W

Rob O'Donnell
 

Are you not the "owner" of the Conforums board?

I'm not familiar with their system from an admin side, but their terms of
service state "Forum owners reserve the right to delete and modify content
on his/her message board, and control access and membership of his/her
message board." so I would have thought that you should be able to simply
bar any obvious trolls and troublemakers?



On 12 September 2015 at 20:44, yahoo@rtrussell.co.uk [bb4w] <
bb4w@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

This Yahoo! group used to be the 'official' support forum for 'BBC BASIC
for Windows' until the Neo debacle made it effectively impossible for me to
use (the bugs meant I couldn't compose replies in a sensible fashion).
Even now, although things have improved a little, I can only access it
satisfactorily from my laptop and message formatting is often messed up.


So I moved 'official' BB4W support to the Conforums board, which has
other advantages such as being able to list formatted code snippets without
fear of line wraps or leading spaces being deleted. However that forum has
now been infiltrated by two or three people who are, to put it politely,
not BBC BASIC supporters. Posts from me are not welcome there, and I have
resigned.


That leaves me with no way to provide support other than by personal
email. Whilst I am happy to do that, and am doing so, it is not an
entirely satisfactory situation. So I am asking for people's views on how
things might be arranged differently, or indeed if there is any need for
change. Some other languages seem to manage perfectly well with no
contributions to their forums (fora?) from the author.


Feel free to contact me privately with your opinions, or post them here
whichever you prefer. The 'usual suspects' can spare me their normal
unhelpful responses (e.g. to suggest that I might like to kill myself), I
will take those as read.


Richard.







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How best to provide support for BB4W

Richard Russell
 

This Yahoo! group used to be the 'official' support forum for 'BBC BASIC for Windows' until the Neo debacle made it effectively impossible for me to use (the bugs meant I couldn't compose replies in a sensible fashion). Even now, although things have improved a little, I can only access it satisfactorily from my laptop and message formatting is often messed up.


So I moved 'official' BB4W support to the Conforums board, which has other advantages such as being able to list formatted code snippets without fear of line wraps or leading spaces being deleted. However that forum has now been infiltrated by two or three people who are, to put it politely, not BBC BASIC supporters. Posts from me are not welcome there, and I have resigned.


That leaves me with no way to provide support other than by personal email. Whilst I am happy to do that, and am doing so, it is not an entirely satisfactory situation. So I am asking for people's views on how things might be arranged differently, or indeed if there is any need for change. Some other languages seem to manage perfectly well with no contributions to their forums (fora?) from the author.


Feel free to contact me privately with your opinions, or post them here whichever you prefer. The 'usual suspects' can spare me their normal unhelpful responses (e.g. to suggest that I might like to kill myself), I will take those as read.


Richard.


Re: Bug in GET$#file function

Richard Russell
 

Will somebody please post the above announcement on the BB4W Conforums board.


Thanks,


Richard.


Bug in GET$#file function

Richard Russell
 

Please be aware that there is quite a serious bug in the GET$#file function, which can cause the returned string to be corrupted if it is longer than 65535 characters (specifically, the first four characters may be overwritten). The conditions under which this occurs are quite obscure and difficult to predict, although repeatable. If you need to be absolutely certain of the integrity of the data, read it in chunks of 65535 bytes or fewer.


There is code present specifically to prevent this problem - but owing to a 'stupidity' it is ineffective. :-(


Richard.


File - reminder.txt

bb4w@...
 

(This message is posted automatically once a month)

If you are currently receiving emails from the group but would
prefer not to, you can change your email delivery settings. To
do that click on 'Edit Membership' above (if you are reading this
on the group's web page) or connect to the internet and click on
this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bb4w/join

Scroll down to the section entitled Message Delivery and you will
see four radio-button options:

o Individual Email
o Daily Digest
o Special Notices
o Web Only

Select 'Special Notices' or 'Web Only', then confirm by clicking
Save Changes, and you won't be troubled by group emails (if you
select Special Notices you will still receive important messages
such as announcements of new versions of BBC BASIC for Windows).

Richard.


Happy 20th Birthday Windows 95!

Richard Russell
 


Re: How to dynamically write a label?

Ian_Wade_G3NRW
 

On 22/08/2015 20:12, yahoo@rtrussell.co.uk [bb4w] wrote:
It's not obvious to me why you need the edit box at all. Doesn't
changing the checkbox text directly have the effect you want?


Aaah. I had forgotten you could do that.

I said it was simple!

Thanks Richard.

--
Ian


Re: How to dynamically write a label?

Richard Russell
 

It's not obvious to me why you need the edit box at all. Doesn't changing the checkbox text directly have the effect you want?


INSTALL @lib$+"WINLIB2"


dlg%=FN_newdialog("Dialogue box", 20, 20, 160, 128, 8, 560)
PROC_checkbox(dlg%, "", 100, 82, 82, 64, 10, 0)


PROC_showdialog(dlg%)


SYS "SetDlgItemText", !dlg%, 100, "LABELaaa"
WAIT 100
SYS "SetDlgItemText", !dlg%, 100, "LABELbbb"
WAIT 100
SYS "SetDlgItemText", !dlg%, 100, "LABELccc"
WAIT 100


ON CLOSE PROC_closedialog(dlg%):QUIT


How to dynamically write a label?

Ian_Wade_G3NRW
 

This is such a simple requirement, but I can't see to achieve it.

CASE 1. Write a fixed label, once only.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
INSTALL @lib$+"WINLIB2"

dlg%=FN_newdialog("Dialogue box", 20, 20, 160, 128, 8, 560)
PROC_checkbox(dlg%, "LABEL1", 100, 82, 82, 64, 10, 0)

PROC_showdialog(dlg%)

ON CLOSE PROC_closedialog(dlg%):QUIT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here, the label "LABEL1" is written just once and never changes.
.
.
.

CASE 2. Dynamically write different labels in the same place after the dialog box is displayed:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
INSTALL @lib$+"WINLIB2"

ES_READ_ONLY = &880

dlg%=FN_newdialog("Dialogue box", 20, 20, 160, 128, 8, 560)
PROC_checkbox(dlg%, "", 100, 82, 82, 64, 10, 0)

PROC_editbox(dlg%, "", 101, 99, 82, 64, 10,ES_READ_ONLY)

PROC_showdialog(dlg%)

SYS "SetDlgItemText", !dlg%, 101, "LABELaaa"
WAIT 100
SYS "SetDlgItemText", !dlg%, 101, "LABELbbb"
WAIT 100
SYS "SetDlgItemText", !dlg%, 101, "LABELccc"
WAIT 100

ON CLOSE PROC_closedialog(dlg%):QUIT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This works, but the bounding box around the label is visible.

Question: is there a way to implement CASE 2 such that only the label text is visible, without the ugly bounding box?

--
Ian


Sending an email with attachments

Richard Russell
 

Please note that the Wiki article has been updated with a correction to the code:


http://bb4w.wikispaces.com/Sending+an+email+with+attachments


Anybody using this code to send emails with attachments should update their copy to ensure reliable operation with a range of email clients.


Richard.


New file uploaded to bb4w

bb4w@...
 

Hello,


This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the bb4w
group.


File : /Games/fracland_Fly.exe
Uploaded by : dai_m_leeds <phsddrm@leeds.ac.uk>
Description : Fly round a fractal landscape, using DirectX 9!


You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bb4w/files/Games/fracland_Fly.exe


To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&;y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398


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Re: Any method for making a HTTP PUT request?

Marc van Woensel
 

Many thanks for your prompt help, it's comforting to get some directions where to search!

I'll keep you informed as soon as some results are there.


Re: Any method for making a HTTP PUT request?

Richard Russell
 

You could do it with SOCKLIB, but it's quite a lot of work to implement the HTTP protocols at that level. You would probably find it easier to call the API functions in the WININET DLL; see this page at MSDN for details (it specifically refers to sending a PUT):


https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384322.aspx


Calling WININET functions from BBC BASIC is quite straightforward. There are some examples at the Wiki (although not specifically a PUT) such as this for uploading files to an FTP server:


http://bb4w.wikispaces.com/Uploading+files+to+an+FTP+server


Richard.


Any method for making a HTTP PUT request?

Marc van Woensel
 

I would like to interface with Philips Hue lights using their RESTFUL interface.
This should be done using http GET, PUT, POST and DELETE commands.


I tried using socklib.bbc and can make connection, but I get no real results.


Is there somebody that could help me out?


regards, Marc

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