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frank cuta #3228 There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. 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Hamit Campos #3229 Frank what have you found? Do you have an NT1-A? Is the H6 noisy with it? As I explained to Gena Neal does the NT1-A tests in his computer room so you have his batteries eating into the floor noise. Is it too noisy? To me even with that unfair setting it seems the H6 is not much noisier than the Olympus LS-100. Which wasn't all that much noisier than Neal's 4 thousand $ Sound Devices 744-T recorder. Which again in this unfair computer room setting seems to be pretty much mixing desk quiet. Which is 1 of the things I find epic about the F recorders. Also their quality is pretty pro. Again from what I have herrd. I've yet not heard an Rode NT1-A even into an F4. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 5/15/2020 2:38 PM, frank cuta wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
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Georgina Joyce #3230 Hello, Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics. Regards, On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. 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John Covici #3231 OK, what is a cloud lifter? On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics. Regards, On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. 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Georgina Joyce #3232 Hello John, Nice to see your name and signature again. Take a look at this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlCIZ60NCfk On 15 May 2020, at 22:35, John Covici <covici@...> wrote: OK, what is a cloud lifter? On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics. Regards, On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@... <mailto:covici@...> Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73
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John Covici #3233 I see. I hope they are quiet! Hard to tell over youtube. On Fri, 15 May 2020 18:09:01 -0400, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello John, Nice to see your name and signature again. Take a look at this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlCIZ60NCfk On 15 May 2020, at 22:35, John Covici <covici@...> wrote: OK, what is a cloud lifter? On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics. Regards, On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@... <mailto:covici@...> Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@...
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Georgina Joyce #3234 Hello John, I take him seriously. He is a professional voice actor. Furthermore what bothers me about this thread is that it is rather subjective. We al may be born with the same hearing but as we age and experience different noise levels during our lives, such judgements can only be based on subjective opinion. We subconsciously block out background noises. We tolerate some tones more readily than others. A noise floor isn’t bad, it is about understanding it and using it or masking it. Look at Tamla Motown, their equipment was shockingly bad. However, the skills of the people knew how to use it and made many hit records. I have a fethead and it really does make a difference when using dynamic mics. In that the pre-amps don’t have to be cranked up. Being inline makes it easy to install too. On 15 May 2020, at 23:32, John Covici <covici@...> wrote: I see. I hope they are quiet! Hard to tell over youtube. On Fri, 15 May 2020 18:09:01 -0400, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello John, Nice to see your name and signature again. Take a look at this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlCIZ60NCfk On 15 May 2020, at 22:35, John Covici <covici@...> wrote: OK, what is a cloud lifter? On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics. Regards, On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@... <mailto:covici@...> <mailto:covici@... <mailto:covici@...>> Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. 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frank cuta #3235 A small box with XLR in and out connectors and no other switches or connectors. It's a mic preamp designed to lift the signal of low output mics out of the noise floor. Without looking it up I am not sure how much gain you get but 24 dB seems close. Given this additional gain you can operate your recorder preamps in a more comfortable mid range setting. Frank toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 2:36 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Noise floor OK, what is a cloud lifter? On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don?t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics. Regards, On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@... ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
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frank cuta #3236 Good point. The lifter uses phantom power but it does not get through to the mic. So its mostly for ribbons and dynamics. Frank toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 12:53 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Noise floor Hello, Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don't forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics. Regards, On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
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frank cuta #3237 I have the H6, do not yet have an NT1A but by all accounts it is one of the quietest mics on the market. I do not recall the exact specs but the head room on the H6 preamps is much less than that on the F8N and the sound devices. That is the primary reason why I would get an F8. It has great preamps. I use my cloud lifter primary with my ribbon mic and sennheizer 441s which are notorious for their low output levels. Electrovoice RE20 also doesn't give you much of a signal. But the lifter is basically a poor man's way to turn the H6 into a F8. I am Eager to learn more about the F6. Frank toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 11:54 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Noise floor Frank what have you found? Do you have an NT1-A? Is the H6 noisy with it? As I explained to Gena Neal does the NT1-A tests in his computer room so you have his batteries eating into the floor noise. Is it too noisy? To me even with that unfair setting it seems the H6 is not much noisier than the Olympus LS-100. Which wasn't all that much noisier than Neal's 4 thousand $ Sound Devices 744-T recorder. Which again in this unfair computer room setting seems to be pretty much mixing desk quiet. Which is 1 of the things I find epic about the F recorders. Also their quality is pretty pro. Again from what I have herrd. I've yet not heard an Rode NT1-A even into an F4. On 5/15/2020 2:38 PM, frank cuta wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
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Georgina Joyce #3238 Hello Frank, The problem with the cloud lifter is that you need 2 cables. Where as the Fethead is in line. Fethead also have a version that passes fantom on to the mic should you need gain on a condenser. I think the Fethead may be a little cheaper too. Regards, On 16 May 2020, at 02:03, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: A small box with XLR in and out connectors and no other switches or connectors. It's a mic preamp designed to lift the signal of low output mics out of the noise floor. Without looking it up I am not sure how much gain you get but 24 dB seems close. Given this additional gain you can operate your recorder preamps in a more comfortable mid range setting. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 2:36 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Noise floor OK, what is a cloud lifter? On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don?t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics. Regards, On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@... ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73
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frank cuta #3273 I did not know about the FEThead. Thanks Frank toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 4:14 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Noise floor Hello Frank, The problem with the cloud lifter is that you need 2 cables. Where as the Fethead is in line. Fethead also have a version that passes fantom on to the mic should you need gain on a condenser. I think the Fethead may be a little cheaper too. Regards, On 16 May 2020, at 02:03, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: A small box with XLR in and out connectors and no other switches or connectors. It's a mic preamp designed to lift the signal of low output mics out of the noise floor. Without looking it up I am not sure how much gain you get but 24 dB seems close. Given this additional gain you can operate your recorder preamps in a more comfortable mid range setting. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 2:36 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Noise floor OK, what is a cloud lifter? On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don?t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics. Regards, On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@...> wrote: There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter. Frank -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Noise floor Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most. On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy, Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek. Thank you. On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Georgena, Hamit and list. Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6. If the latter, you can get it at here: Sendspace. https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all. Hamit you said that Dane had them. You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible. I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again. Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them. Very best wishes. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@...> To: <all-audio@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Andy and Hamit, Who is this Neil, can you point to his review? All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy? Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of. Regards, On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden@...> wrote: Hi Guys. You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one! Andy. know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@... <mailto:hamitcampos@...>> To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it? Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1. On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, No 36 is out. On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder. On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Hamit, Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote: Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either. On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Aidan, Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder. Regards, On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote: If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky. On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@...> wrote: Hello Tim, Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders. But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to serve. Thanks, On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@...> wrote: I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are recording. On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello All, Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who have a Zoom. Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate. This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises. I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first second as it will contain handling noise. I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet. Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet. Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and protection from wind and rain. Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before a recording. So what about your experiences and approach? Regards, Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@... ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. 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