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Re: Overall accessibility of Zoom H6

Hamit Campos
 

Hi Mike. Well if you are like me and get totally lost without speach no it ain't accessible but for arming and disarming and recording and stopping. There are no beeps so if you pause your recording you'd better remember you did to either re-start or not pause a recording by axident. I've done just that. Now I don't wana sound like it's tottaly not usable at all. I do have 1. It is unusable if you don't like to have headphones on and again if menus not talking confuses you if you don't have someone to read them. So tip 1 from me keep headphones handy. This way you can hear the mics come on if you light them up. Or you can hear if you use the XLRs weather they are stereo linked or not. I keep asking zoom to please oh please at least have someone sit in a studio like Olympus did. Because I think a speach synth would cost more no? Now the F6 is like the older and at this point some of the cheeper Olympus recorders. It does beep for starting pausing and stopping recordings, It beeps for low batteries oh yeah and that's another thing no warning from the H6. It just saves the file and dies. Yes obviously the screen shows the battery but again these things don't speak. So in any event back to the F6 for a second and the F8N for that matter. There's another beep for something else that I can't remember right now but the point is that those at least do those few beeps like the earlier before the DS recorders Olympus. Now you can call the Aira people or use Be My Eyes. That's what I've done. I also have my neice Abby help me too.

On 5/16/2020 8:24 AM, Mike Busboom wrote:
Hello everyone,

I have been noticing a lot of discussion about the Zoom H6, so I know that it can be used by blind people. Does anyone know of a podcast which specifically discusses the level of accessibility of this unit. Does the unit have voice guidance such as many Olympus recorders, or is there a different approach to use from a blindness perspective?

With thanks in advance,

Mike



Re: Andrew binaural mics

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andrew,

I think this is what you need to power them from the H6.


The VXLR+ is a 3.5mm female TRS socket to male XLR adaptor, which will convert 12-48V Phantom Power down to 3-5V 'Plug in Power', allowing RØDE on-camera microphones such as the VideoMicro and VideoMic GO, as well as self-worn microphones like the HS2 Headset Mic to receive power from the XLR input. The 3.5mm socket also features the same threaded connector as used on the output cable of the HS2 Headset Microphone, and the RØDELink Filmmaker Kit Receiver, ensuring the connection to your XLR input is secure and won't disconnect during your recording.

Regards,


On 16 May 2020, at 13:56, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:

Hello Andrew,

Still looking. I can’t see the 9v pack. However, I think they do a fantom power converter for those mics, model MM-PPC. It’s expensive though.

The sight is lacking so much information and if they ignore your enquiry that’s not good.

I am going to see if an adapter can be found more locally.

I look forward to your input.


On 16 May 2020, at 13:43, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:

Hello Andrew,

I am looking over the website you recommended. I understand you like the MM-BSM-9 version which has the Shure clips to fix to your clothing. Have you tried the MM-BSM-8? these are mounted on a headband to wear like headphones. But to all intense and purposes they are the same mic but mounted differently.

In addition, how does their battery pack work? It would be grate if they did a XLR plug adapter to take fantom. So does their battery pack enable then to use a xLR adapter?

Regards,
Gena

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Re: Andrew binaural mics

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andrew,

Still looking. I can’t see the 9v pack. However, I think they do a fantom power converter for those mics, model MM-PPC. It’s expensive though.

The sight is lacking so much information and if they ignore your enquiry that’s not good.

I am going to see if an adapter can be found more locally.

I look forward to your input.


On 16 May 2020, at 13:43, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:

Hello Andrew,

I am looking over the website you recommended. I understand you like the MM-BSM-9 version which has the Shure clips to fix to your clothing. Have you tried the MM-BSM-8? these are mounted on a headband to wear like headphones. But to all intense and purposes they are the same mic but mounted differently.

In addition, how does their battery pack work? It would be grate if they did a XLR plug adapter to take fantom. So does their battery pack enable then to use a xLR adapter?

Regards,
Gena

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Andrew binaural mics

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andrew,

I am looking over the website you recommended. I understand you like the MM-BSM-9 version which has the Shure clips to fix to your clothing. Have you tried the MM-BSM-8? these are mounted on a headband to wear like headphones. But to all intense and purposes they are the same mic but mounted differently.

In addition, how does their battery pack work? It would be grate if they did a XLR plug adapter to take fantom. So does their battery pack enable then to use a xLR adapter?

Regards,
Gena

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Re: Overall accessibility of Zoom H6

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Mike,

Andrew sent me a sendspace link to a copy of a Blind Cool Tech podcast. Find that and you will have a comprehensive review. In short, no it doesn’t have any accessibility features. Now Zoom have released the F6 which has a IOS app and we have more access than ever to a professional recorder. This is featured on Mosen at Large 35.

If you want a professional recorder and have approximately £250 for the H6 or £550 for the F6 you won’t be disappointed. But do your own research.

Regards,

On 16 May 2020, at 13:24, Mike Busboom <mbusboom@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have been noticing a lot of discussion about the Zoom H6, so I know that it can be used by blind people. Does anyone know of a podcast which specifically discusses the level of accessibility of this unit. Does the unit have voice guidance such as many Olympus recorders, or is there a different approach to use from a blindness perspective?

With thanks in advance,

Mike



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Overall accessibility of Zoom H6

Mike Busboom
 

Hello everyone,

I have been noticing a lot of discussion about the Zoom H6, so I know that it can be used by blind people. Does anyone know of a podcast which specifically discusses the level of accessibility of this unit. Does the unit have voice guidance such as many Olympus recorders, or is there a different approach to use from a blindness perspective?

With thanks in advance,

Mike


Re: Noise floor

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Frank,

The problem with the cloud lifter is that you need 2 cables. Where as the Fethead is in line. Fethead also have a version that passes fantom on to the mic should you need gain on a condenser. I think the Fethead may be a little cheaper too.

Regards,

On 16 May 2020, at 02:03, frank cuta <cuta@bentonrea.com> wrote:

A small box with XLR in and out connectors and no other switches or
connectors. It's a mic preamp designed to lift the signal of low output
mics out of the noise floor. Without looking it up I am not sure how much
gain you get but 24 dB seems close. Given this additional gain you can
operate your recorder preamps in a more comfortable mid range setting.

Frank

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OK, what is a cloud lifter?

On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400,
Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to
fantom power. Don?t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter.
They also do one for condenser mics.

Regards,


On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@bentonrea.com> wrote:

There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A,
you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain
or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud
lifter.

Frank



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Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some
or
all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the
big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would
you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He
use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big.
On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is
cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So
can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are
2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted.
That I
know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not
know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be
one!


Andy.

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Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten
to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically
35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which
is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya.
Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same
for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus
LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best
out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It
would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if
it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have
some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required.
But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose
the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings
<thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can
make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better,
but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set
properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on
what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted
tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and
those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply
a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was
the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to
get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I
am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I
have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I
would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Noise floor

frank cuta
 

I have the H6, do not yet have an NT1A but by all accounts it is one of the
quietest mics on the market.

I do not recall the exact specs but the head room on the H6 preamps is much
less than that on the F8N and the sound devices. That is the primary reason
why I would get an F8. It has great preamps. I use my cloud lifter
primary with my ribbon mic and sennheizer 441s which are notorious for their
low output levels. Electrovoice RE20 also doesn't give you much of a
signal. But the lifter is basically a poor man's way to turn the H6 into a
F8.


I am Eager to learn more about the F6.


Frank

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Frank what have you found? Do you have an NT1-A? Is the H6 noisy with
it? As I explained to Gena Neal does the NT1-A tests in his computer
room so you have his batteries eating into the floor noise. Is it too
noisy? To me even with that unfair setting it seems the H6 is not much
noisier than the Olympus LS-100. Which wasn't all that much noisier than
Neal's 4 thousand $ Sound Devices 744-T recorder. Which again in this
unfair computer room setting seems to be pretty much mixing desk quiet.
Which is 1 of the things I find epic about the F recorders. Also their
quality is pretty pro. Again from what I have herrd. I've yet not heard
an Rode NT1-A even into an F4.

On 5/15/2020 2:38 PM, frank cuta wrote:
There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter.

Frank



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Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
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Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.
If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some
or
all of them if possible.
I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.
Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.
Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would
you do it?

Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On
On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is
cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?
Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That
I
know of.
Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be
one!

Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?

Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.
On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:
Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.
On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically
35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.
Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:
Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same
for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus
LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.
On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It
would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.
Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:
If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if
it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings
<thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:
I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can
make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on
what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted
tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.
Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73


Gena

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Re: Noise floor

frank cuta
 

Good point. The lifter uses phantom power but it does not get through to
the mic. So its mostly for ribbons and dynamics.

Frank

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Joyce
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 12:53 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Noise floor


Hello,

Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom
power. Don't forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They
also do one for condenser mics.

Regards,


On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@bentonrea.com> wrote:

There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter.

Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some
or
all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would
you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is
cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That
I
know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be
one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically
35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same
for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus
LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It
would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if
it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings
<thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can
make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on
what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted
tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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73


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Re: Noise floor

frank cuta
 

A small box with XLR in and out connectors and no other switches or
connectors. It's a mic preamp designed to lift the signal of low output
mics out of the noise floor. Without looking it up I am not sure how much
gain you get but 24 dB seems close. Given this additional gain you can
operate your recorder preamps in a more comfortable mid range setting.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 2:36 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Noise floor


OK, what is a cloud lifter?

On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400,
Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to
fantom power. Don?t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter.
They also do one for condenser mics.

Regards,


On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@bentonrea.com> wrote:

There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A,
you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain
or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud
lifter.

Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some
or
all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the
big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would
you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He
use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big.
On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is
cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So
can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are
2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted.
That I
know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not
know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be
one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten
to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically
35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which
is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya.
Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same
for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus
LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best
out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It
would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if
it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have
some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required.
But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose
the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings
<thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can
make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better,
but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set
properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on
what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted
tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and
those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply
a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was
the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to
get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I
am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I
have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I
would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73


Gena

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73




Gena

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Re: Noise floor

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello John,

I take him seriously. He is a professional voice actor. Furthermore what bothers me about this thread is that it is rather subjective. We al may be born with the same hearing but as we age and experience different noise levels during our lives, such judgements can only be based on subjective opinion. We subconsciously block out background noises. We tolerate some tones more readily than others. A noise floor isn’t bad, it is about understanding it and using it or masking it. Look at Tamla Motown, their equipment was shockingly bad. However, the skills of the people knew how to use it and made many hit records.

I have a fethead and it really does make a difference when using dynamic mics. In that the pre-amps don’t have to be cranked up. Being inline makes it easy to install too.

On 15 May 2020, at 23:32, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

I see. I hope they are quiet!

Hard to tell over youtube.

On Fri, 15 May 2020 18:09:01 -0400,
Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello John,

Nice to see your name and signature again. Take a look at this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlCIZ60NCfk



On 15 May 2020, at 22:35, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

OK, what is a cloud lifter?

On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400,
Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics.

Regards,


On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@bentonrea.com> wrote:

There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter.

Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or
all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would
you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I
know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Noise floor

John Covici
 

I see. I hope they are quiet!

Hard to tell over youtube.

On Fri, 15 May 2020 18:09:01 -0400,
Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello John,

Nice to see your name and signature again. Take a look at this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlCIZ60NCfk



On 15 May 2020, at 22:35, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

OK, what is a cloud lifter?

On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400,
Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics.

Regards,


On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@bentonrea.com> wrote:

There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter.

Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or
all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would
you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I
know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73


Gena

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Re: Noise floor

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello John,

Nice to see your name and signature again. Take a look at this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlCIZ60NCfk



On 15 May 2020, at 22:35, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

OK, what is a cloud lifter?

On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400,
Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics.

Regards,


On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@bentonrea.com> wrote:

There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter.

Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or
all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would
you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I
know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73


Gena

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How do
you spend it?

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Gena

Call: M0EBP
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73


Re: Noise floor

John Covici
 

OK, what is a cloud lifter?

On Fri, 15 May 2020 15:53:00 -0400,
Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics.

Regards,


On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@bentonrea.com> wrote:

There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter.

Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or
all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would
you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I
know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Noise floor

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello,

Providing we are talking about XLR connected mics and have access to fantom power. Don’t forget the fethead an alternative to the cloud lifter. They also do one for condenser mics.

Regards,


On 15 May 2020, at 19:38, frank cuta <cuta@bentonrea.com> wrote:

There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter.

Frank



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or
all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would
you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I
know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Noise floor

Hamit Campos
 

Frank what have you found? Do you have an NT1-A? Is the H6 noisy with it? As I explained to Gena Neal does the NT1-A tests in his computer room so you have his batteries eating into the floor noise. Is it too noisy? To me even with that unfair setting it seems the H6 is not much noisier than the Olympus LS-100. Which wasn't all that much noisier than Neal's 4 thousand $ Sound Devices 744-T recorder. Which again in this unfair computer room setting seems to be pretty much mixing desk quiet. Which is 1 of the things I find epic about the F recorders. Also their quality is pretty pro. Again from what I have herrd. I've yet not heard an Rode NT1-A even into an F4.

On 5/15/2020 2:38 PM, frank cuta wrote:
There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter.

Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.
If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or
all of them if possible.
I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.
Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.
Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would
you do it?

Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On
On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?
Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I
know of.
Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!

Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?

Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.
On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:
Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.
On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.
Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:
Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.
On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.
Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:
If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:
I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.
Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Noise floor

frank cuta
 

There are several ways to reduce noise. You can start with the NT1A, you
can switch from the H6 to the F8N which has a lot more noise free gain or
you can stick with a mic of your choice and the H6 and buy a cloud lifter.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:39 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Noise floor


Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod
cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural
microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or
all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps
I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big
guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would
you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use
to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't
know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our
hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked
up to it's maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can
you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2
ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I
know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know
just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How
would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper
list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to
it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)?
He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is
not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to
before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic
mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for
the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100.
Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal
hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out
of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would
be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you
would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it
is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with
using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics
have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some
noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But
as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the
recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net>
wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be
careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make
things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but
if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly,
even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what
you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom
Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences
and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips
on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those
of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a
noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the
only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would
secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could
discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get
away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing,
shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am
trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have
to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my
feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for
the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would
employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Need to talk to Andy

Hamit Campos
 

Andy found Dane's email. Message me off list because I don't know if he'll want the whole list to have it or not. He use to be on this here list.


Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Hamit,

Oh I see. I might listen out to understand what is achieved by such arrangements. I listened to a couple of reviews of the Rode NT-FS1 and I just don’t get it. I listened hard to hear an interesting stereo image but didn’t hear one. Yes a lovely recording and quality. But I would expect that from an £900 mic. You have expensive taste. The most expensive mic I have in my collection is a lewitt LTC-550 which I purchased second hand.

So as the Booth Junky closes with:

Now get yourself a mic and record something amazing.

Gena

On 14 May 2020, at 23:45, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Gena. The KM 140s were condencers from Newman. I say were because it looks like they are gone. They were $15 thousand each 1. So what neal did with them is put them on a stereo bar that is set up for the ORTF technique. ORTF is a stereo setup made up by the french radio TV office. The idea is to setup the mics in a way that according to the people that did the research I guess resembles to a cirtain extent how your ear drums are set up in your head. Or in this case a small head. The mics are set 6 intches apart of each other and the capsels are at 110 degrees. So to explain it like neal the left capsel is 55 degrees of the right and the right 55 of the left. So 110 over all. Now I've heard of people doing this at 180 degrees. But don't know if that meant litterally 180 of each other or the left being 90 degrees of the opposing 1. What ever way that meant I'd do the 180 degrees ORTF. Shame Neal didn't show ORTF on the H6 review. You'd need his LS-100 review or to hear a lake in ORTF you'd need his old mic placement podcast he did for Blind Cool Tech.

On 5/14/2020 5:38 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

You’ll have to explain 2 KM140s in ORTF.

Regards,


On 14 May 2020, at 22:27, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

2 KM140s in ORTF
Gena

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Gena

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Loc: IO83PS
73


Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Hamit Campos
 

Hi Gena. The KM 140s were condencers from Newman. I say were because it looks like they are gone. They were $15 thousand each 1. So what neal did with them is put them on a stereo bar that is set up for the ORTF technique. ORTF is a stereo setup made up by the french radio TV office. The idea is to setup the mics in a way that according to the people that did the research I guess resembles to a cirtain extent how your ear drums are set up in your head. Or in this case a small head. The mics are set 6 intches apart of each other and the capsels are at 110 degrees. So to explain it like neal the left capsel is 55 degrees of the right and the right 55 of the left. So 110 over all. Now I've heard of people doing this at 180 degrees. But don't know if that meant litterally 180 of each other or the left being 90 degrees of the opposing 1. What ever way that meant I'd do the 180 degrees ORTF. Shame Neal didn't show ORTF on the H6 review. You'd need his LS-100 review or to hear a lake in ORTF you'd need his old mic placement podcast he did for Blind Cool Tech.

On 5/14/2020 5:38 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

You’ll have to explain 2 KM140s in ORTF.

Regards,


On 14 May 2020, at 22:27, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

2 KM140s in ORTF
Gena

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