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Re: accessible portable HD Radio

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

A couple of notes on HD Radio and these come from discussions with friends of mine who use HD Radio and are not from first-hand experience since we don’t use that system out here in Australia.
I am told that there are no AM HD signals broadcasting now in Southern California and that’s a huge shame so the only HD option available to listeners now is through FM, what an utter and complete waste of money and time on behalf of radio stations and authorities.
An interesting note, this topic was one of the last discussed when I was actively on the list what.. 9 months ago? The more things change the more they stay the same <smile>.

On 25 Aug 2020, at 6:16 am, Gary Schindler <garys5462@comcast.net> wrote:

The Marc 3 and the Sangean HDr14 and the HDR-16 radios can be found on amazon.com. The radios are battery opporated and come with power adapters too! The Marc 3 costs about $50.00, and the Sangean radios are around $100.00 or so!


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From: Merv Keck
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:48 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] accessible portable HD Radio

Hi,
I thought everyone in the United States at least had pretty much moved to Online radio but someone I need to buy a gift for has her heart set on an HD or super duper whammer jammer radio of some sort. As long as it is portable as in battery operated and gets A M and FM and maybe has a few other bells and whistles like HD or I don't care what else as long as it is accessible for a totally blind individual. I also don't mind paying for quality which is why I'm asking on this list as usually good quality items are only discussed on this group.
Thanks in advance.
Merv








Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Hamit Campos
 

Ah thanks for those notes. Yeah I'd go for the L battery Garry said or higher. But meh that's just me. Oh now I remembered another question well I said I'd go with a better L battery because of charge. But can this re-charge batteries? The Double A's that is? Again another complain that went on my feedback report to Zoom for the H6 and I took the liberty of suggesting a charger for the H5N as well. It's mad annoying to have to take them dam Double A's out all the time.

On 8/24/2020 6:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
You have to be a little careful too with the battery in place with the recorder on the desk, a simple push can cause the recorder to over balance with the weight of the battery on the back.


On 25 Aug 2020, at 8:02 am, Jerry Berrier <jlblists@gmail.com> wrote:

If you link two tracks for stereo, you control them both with one knob. That way the levels stay equal on both tracks.
I also got the L batteries, although I bought less expensive ones.
I cannot imagine putting the F6 on my belt, unless I wanted to risk my pants falling down. With the battery, it's kind of heavy.
I mostly use the recorder attached to my tripod that holds the parabola apparatus.


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:30 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

I agree with you regarding the knobs on the H6, absolutely terrible adjustments if you can’t see what you’re doing, the best adjustments like this can be found on the F8n.
The knobs on the F8n are pointers and have considerable drag behind them when adjusting.
The adjustments on the F6 are nearly as bad as the H6 though I suppose one could argue that with Float-32 then who really gives a damn anyway <smile>.
Because of the small control area one could argue that the controls are cramped.
The Zoom F6 is a little bigger than your description suggests and I certainly wouldn’t be too keen on clipping the F6 to a belt given the recorder is around 2 inches thick.
The F6 lie the H6 can be mounted on a tripod and a DSLR camera mounted on the top.
The F6 can fit into a hand easily enough, the best position for a F6 is on a table.
The XLFR connecters are down both sides, 3 on one and 3 on the other.
Another interesting aspect to the Zoom F6 and Zoom F8N is power.
The F6 by default is powered by 4 AA batteries but I suggest you think about an alternative power source to these as alkaline or rechargeable batteries won’t last too long with this recorder, rechargeable batteries cannot be charged from within the recorder.
The F6 has a USB-C connector on the side which can be used to power the device either with an AC Adapter or a Powerbank.
A power bank is without a doubt a cheap and handy option though for me a power bank wasn’t even a consideration as that meant more devices to lug about and more cables to connect.
The F6 can take the L camera series of Sony batteries and that’s what I settled on to power the recorder, I got over 30 hours of power to the recorder from one of these battery beasts though I should warn you that these batteries - if you buy the branded Sony type along with the charger - don’t come cheap, almost a quarter of the price of the recorder as a matter of fact for 2 batteries and the charger which I’ll go into detail about some other time.
Anyway the L series batteries clip onto the back of the recorder.
The powering of the Zoom F8n is intriguing to say the least.
By default the F8N takes 8 AA perlite batteries.
On the rear of the machine is a power socket that can except any voltage power supply from 9 to 18 volts.
Further to this there is another power socket on the side that can take the same voltages.
The user can `priorities the power supply so that if one supply is exhausted then the other supply takes over or if the voltage of one supply drops below a certain level than another supply kicks in so in short the Zoom F6 and F8N can perform literally hours upon hours of recording particularly in the case of the F8N with its dual SD card slots along with the USB connectivity.


On 25 Aug 2020, at 12:05 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

The F controll has nobs and things on it last I heard. Curtis Jud talked about it I think on 1 of the few vids he did of the F8 origenal. Well yeah the 32 bits thing wasn't like the major major thing of why I wanted 1. Actually the 6 XLRs all down the machine was more major and the fact that it's small. Supposedly you can clip it to your belt. How small is it anyways? Cause that is 1 set back to the H6 you can't be hands free. lol Unless you put the thing on a tripod. You can put it in a bag I did with the APH bag for the old handy casset recorder but and another draw back to the H6 you can too easely move the volume nobs. Which ain't cool as is but especially when you're doing stereo recordings and boath mics need to be on the same level. I gave this to Zoom as well in my feed back report. So we'll see if the H6N will have the bars like the H5.

On 8/24/2020 2:00 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s
got the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N.
Also the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so
what do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact
recorder with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has
its flaws so buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.



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Zoom Recorders

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

Yes I agree with you regarding the H6, all these new recorders aside I still have a lot of time for my old friend particularly when it comes to recording conveniently, the capsule system allows for that.
Zoom have another new handy recorder called the H8 I think though I do not know just how accessible the recorder is given that it does indeed have a touch screen but is in many ways a lot more powerful than the recorders we’re discussing now, e recorders in one package.

On 25 Aug 2020, at 8:19 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jarry. Mine is hamitcampos@gmail.com. I'd like to hear some of these files too please. So how do you do? You set up the stereo mics as a stereo pare than the third mic as a seprate center channal or something? Again friends 5.1 surround sound is the name of the game for me. Oh yeah Dain yeah that was the other major major thing for me. 6 XLR connectors all on the machine no need for the EX H6 or an external box dangling off the H6. Hay I still love my H6 Just want that almost Sound-Devices sound the F recorders have. I mean I'd love even something like Neal Ewers's old 744-T recorder. Man that thing's glorious especially with the Rode NT1-A.

On 8/24/2020 6:14 PM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi Gerry.

I'm very interested in you're microphone set up for recording birds.

I'd love to here one of your recordings using your large Parama..... mic.

I've got both the 6 and the F8n and some very nice microphones, but unfortunately, I've not had many opportunities for Bird call.

I take it with your mic set-up you are interested in singling out one sound source at a time. I'm interested, But I'm also very interested in a Dawn Chorus wide angle recording.

My e-mail is Meikle.aiden@btinternet.com Very best wishes.

Andy.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Berrier" <jlblists@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder


If you link two tracks for stereo, you control them both with one knob. That way the levels stay equal on both tracks.
I also got the L batteries, although I bought less expensive ones.
I cannot imagine putting the F6 on my belt, unless I wanted to risk my pants falling down. With the battery, it's kind of heavy.
I mostly use the recorder attached to my tripod that holds the parabola apparatus.


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:30 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

I agree with you regarding the knobs on the H6, absolutely terrible adjustments if you can’t see what you’re doing, the best adjustments like this can be found on the F8n.
The knobs on the F8n are pointers and have considerable drag behind them when adjusting.
The adjustments on the F6 are nearly as bad as the H6 though I suppose one could argue that with Float-32 then who really gives a damn anyway <smile>.
Because of the small control area one could argue that the controls are cramped.
The Zoom F6 is a little bigger than your description suggests and I certainly wouldn’t be too keen on clipping the F6 to a belt given the recorder is around 2 inches thick.
The F6 lie the H6 can be mounted on a tripod and a DSLR camera mounted on the top.
The F6 can fit into a hand easily enough, the best position for a F6 is on a table.
The XLFR connecters are down both sides, 3 on one and 3 on the other.
Another interesting aspect to the Zoom F6 and Zoom F8N is power.
The F6 by default is powered by 4 AA batteries but I suggest you think about an alternative power source to these as alkaline or rechargeable batteries won’t last too long with this recorder, rechargeable batteries cannot be charged from within the recorder.
The F6 has a USB-C connector on the side which can be used to power the device either with an AC Adapter or a Powerbank.
A power bank is without a doubt a cheap and handy option though for me a power bank wasn’t even a consideration as that meant more devices to lug about and more cables to connect.
The F6 can take the L camera series of Sony batteries and that’s what I settled on to power the recorder, I got over 30 hours of power to the recorder from one of these battery beasts though I should warn you that these batteries - if you buy the branded Sony type along with the charger - don’t come cheap, almost a quarter of the price of the recorder as a matter of fact for 2 batteries and the charger which I’ll go into detail about some other time.
Anyway the L series batteries clip onto the back of the recorder.
The powering of the Zoom F8n is intriguing to say the least.
By default the F8N takes 8 AA perlite batteries.
On the rear of the machine is a power socket that can except any voltage power supply from 9 to 18 volts.
Further to this there is another power socket on the side that can take the same voltages.
The user can `priorities the power supply so that if one supply is exhausted then the other supply takes over or if the voltage of one supply drops below a certain level than another supply kicks in so in short the Zoom F6 and F8N can perform literally hours upon hours of recording particularly in the case of the F8N with its dual SD card slots along with the USB connectivity.


On 25 Aug 2020, at 12:05 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

The F controll has nobs and things on it last I heard. Curtis Jud talked about it I think on 1 of the few vids he did of the F8 origenal. Well yeah the 32 bits thing wasn't like the major major thing of why I wanted 1. Actually the 6 XLRs all down the machine was more major and the fact that it's small. Supposedly you can clip it to your belt. How small is it anyways? Cause that is 1 set back to the H6 you can't be hands free. lol Unless you put the thing on a tripod. You can put it in a bag I did with the APH bag for the old handy casset recorder but and another draw back to the H6 you can too easely move the volume nobs. Which ain't cool as is but especially when you're doing stereo recordings and boath mics need to be on the same level. I gave this to Zoom as well in my feed back report. So we'll see if the H6N will have the bars like the H5.

On 8/24/2020 2:00 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s
got the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N.
Also the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so
what do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact
recorder with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has
its flaws so buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.



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Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Hamit Campos
 

Hi Jarry. Mine is hamitcampos@gmail.com. I'd like to hear some of these files too please. So how do you do? You set up the stereo mics as a stereo pare than the third mic as a seprate center channal or something? Again friends 5.1 surround sound is the name of the game for me. Oh yeah Dain yeah that was the other major major thing for me. 6 XLR connectors all on the machine no need for the EX H6 or an external box dangling off the H6. Hay I still love my H6 Just want that almost Sound-Devices sound the F recorders have. I mean I'd love even something like Neal Ewers's old 744-T recorder. Man that thing's glorious especially with the Rode NT1-A.

On 8/24/2020 6:14 PM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi Gerry.

I'm very interested in you're microphone set up for recording birds.

I'd love to here one of your recordings using your large Parama..... mic.

I've got both the 6 and the F8n  and some very nice microphones, but unfortunately, I've not had many opportunities for Bird call.

I take it with your mic set-up you are interested in singling out one sound source at a time.  I'm interested, But I'm also very interested in a Dawn Chorus wide angle recording.

My e-mail is Meikle.aiden@btinternet.com            Very best wishes.

Andy.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Berrier" <jlblists@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder


If you link two tracks for stereo, you control them both with one knob. That way the levels stay equal on both tracks.
I also got the L batteries, although I bought less expensive ones.
I cannot imagine putting the F6 on my belt, unless I wanted to risk my pants falling down.  With the battery, it's kind of heavy.
I mostly use the recorder attached to my tripod that holds the parabola apparatus.


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:30 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

I agree with you regarding the knobs on the H6, absolutely terrible adjustments if you can’t see what you’re doing, the best adjustments like this can be found on the F8n.
The knobs on the F8n are pointers and have considerable drag behind them when adjusting.
The adjustments on the F6 are nearly as bad as the H6 though I suppose one could argue that with Float-32 then who really gives a damn anyway <smile>.
Because of the small control area one could argue that the controls are cramped.
The Zoom F6 is a little bigger than your description suggests and I certainly wouldn’t be too keen on clipping the F6 to a belt given the recorder is around 2 inches thick.
The F6 lie the H6 can be mounted on a tripod and a DSLR camera mounted on the top.
The F6 can fit into a hand easily enough, the best position for a F6 is on a table.
The XLFR connecters are down both sides, 3 on one and 3 on the other.
Another interesting aspect to the Zoom F6 and Zoom F8N is power.
The F6 by default is powered by 4 AA batteries but I suggest you think about an alternative power source to these as alkaline or rechargeable batteries won’t last too long with this recorder, rechargeable batteries cannot be charged from within the recorder.
The F6 has a USB-C connector on the side which can be used to power the device either with an AC Adapter or a Powerbank.
A power bank is without a doubt a cheap and handy option though for me a power bank wasn’t even a consideration as that meant more devices to lug about and more cables to connect.
The F6 can take the L camera series of Sony batteries and that’s what I settled on to power the recorder, I got over 30 hours of power to the recorder from one of these battery beasts though I should warn you that these batteries - if you buy the branded Sony type along with the charger - don’t come cheap, almost a quarter of the price of the recorder as a matter of fact for 2 batteries and the charger which I’ll go into detail about some other time.
Anyway the L series batteries clip onto the back of the recorder.
The powering of the Zoom F8n is intriguing to say the least.
By default the F8N takes 8 AA perlite batteries.
On the rear of the machine is a power socket that can except any voltage power supply from 9 to 18 volts.
Further to this there is another power socket on the side that can take the same voltages.
The user can `priorities the power supply so that if one supply is exhausted then the other supply takes over or if the voltage of one supply drops below a certain level than another supply kicks in so in short the Zoom F6 and F8N can perform literally hours upon hours of recording particularly in the case of the F8N with its dual SD card slots along with the USB connectivity.


On 25 Aug 2020, at 12:05 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

The F controll has nobs and things on it last I heard. Curtis Jud talked about it I think on 1 of the few vids he did of the F8 origenal. Well yeah the 32 bits thing wasn't like the major major thing of why I wanted 1. Actually the 6 XLRs all down the machine was more major and the fact that it's small. Supposedly you can clip it to your belt. How small is it anyways? Cause that is 1 set back to the H6 you can't be hands free. lol Unless you put the thing on a tripod. You can put it in a bag I did with the APH bag for the old handy casset recorder but and another draw back to the H6 you can too easely move the volume nobs. Which ain't cool as is but especially when you're doing stereo recordings and boath mics need to be on the same level. I gave this to Zoom as well in my feed back report. So we'll see if the H6N will have the bars like the H5.

On 8/24/2020 2:00 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s
got the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N.
Also the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so
what do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact
recorder with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has
its flaws so buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.



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Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

You have to be a little careful too with the battery in place with the recorder on the desk, a simple push can cause the recorder to over balance with the weight of the battery on the back.

On 25 Aug 2020, at 8:02 am, Jerry Berrier <jlblists@gmail.com> wrote:

If you link two tracks for stereo, you control them both with one knob. That way the levels stay equal on both tracks.
I also got the L batteries, although I bought less expensive ones.
I cannot imagine putting the F6 on my belt, unless I wanted to risk my pants falling down. With the battery, it's kind of heavy.
I mostly use the recorder attached to my tripod that holds the parabola apparatus.


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From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:30 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

I agree with you regarding the knobs on the H6, absolutely terrible adjustments if you can’t see what you’re doing, the best adjustments like this can be found on the F8n.
The knobs on the F8n are pointers and have considerable drag behind them when adjusting.
The adjustments on the F6 are nearly as bad as the H6 though I suppose one could argue that with Float-32 then who really gives a damn anyway <smile>.
Because of the small control area one could argue that the controls are cramped.
The Zoom F6 is a little bigger than your description suggests and I certainly wouldn’t be too keen on clipping the F6 to a belt given the recorder is around 2 inches thick.
The F6 lie the H6 can be mounted on a tripod and a DSLR camera mounted on the top.
The F6 can fit into a hand easily enough, the best position for a F6 is on a table.
The XLFR connecters are down both sides, 3 on one and 3 on the other.
Another interesting aspect to the Zoom F6 and Zoom F8N is power.
The F6 by default is powered by 4 AA batteries but I suggest you think about an alternative power source to these as alkaline or rechargeable batteries won’t last too long with this recorder, rechargeable batteries cannot be charged from within the recorder.
The F6 has a USB-C connector on the side which can be used to power the device either with an AC Adapter or a Powerbank.
A power bank is without a doubt a cheap and handy option though for me a power bank wasn’t even a consideration as that meant more devices to lug about and more cables to connect.
The F6 can take the L camera series of Sony batteries and that’s what I settled on to power the recorder, I got over 30 hours of power to the recorder from one of these battery beasts though I should warn you that these batteries - if you buy the branded Sony type along with the charger - don’t come cheap, almost a quarter of the price of the recorder as a matter of fact for 2 batteries and the charger which I’ll go into detail about some other time.
Anyway the L series batteries clip onto the back of the recorder.
The powering of the Zoom F8n is intriguing to say the least.
By default the F8N takes 8 AA perlite batteries.
On the rear of the machine is a power socket that can except any voltage power supply from 9 to 18 volts.
Further to this there is another power socket on the side that can take the same voltages.
The user can `priorities the power supply so that if one supply is exhausted then the other supply takes over or if the voltage of one supply drops below a certain level than another supply kicks in so in short the Zoom F6 and F8N can perform literally hours upon hours of recording particularly in the case of the F8N with its dual SD card slots along with the USB connectivity.


On 25 Aug 2020, at 12:05 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

The F controll has nobs and things on it last I heard. Curtis Jud talked about it I think on 1 of the few vids he did of the F8 origenal. Well yeah the 32 bits thing wasn't like the major major thing of why I wanted 1. Actually the 6 XLRs all down the machine was more major and the fact that it's small. Supposedly you can clip it to your belt. How small is it anyways? Cause that is 1 set back to the H6 you can't be hands free. lol Unless you put the thing on a tripod. You can put it in a bag I did with the APH bag for the old handy casset recorder but and another draw back to the H6 you can too easely move the volume nobs. Which ain't cool as is but especially when you're doing stereo recordings and boath mics need to be on the same level. I gave this to Zoom as well in my feed back report. So we'll see if the H6N will have the bars like the H5.

On 8/24/2020 2:00 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s
got the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N.
Also the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so
what do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact
recorder with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has
its flaws so buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.



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Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Andy
 

Hi Gerry.

I'm very interested in you're microphone set up for recording birds.

I'd love to here one of your recordings using your large Parama..... mic.

I've got both the 6 and the F8n and some very nice microphones, but unfortunately, I've not had many opportunities for Bird call.

I take it with your mic set-up you are interested in singling out one sound source at a time. I'm interested, But I'm also very interested in a Dawn Chorus wide angle recording.

My e-mail is Meikle.aiden@btinternet.com Very best wishes.

Andy.

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To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder


If you link two tracks for stereo, you control them both with one knob. That way the levels stay equal on both tracks.
I also got the L batteries, although I bought less expensive ones.
I cannot imagine putting the F6 on my belt, unless I wanted to risk my pants falling down. With the battery, it's kind of heavy.
I mostly use the recorder attached to my tripod that holds the parabola apparatus.


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:30 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

I agree with you regarding the knobs on the H6, absolutely terrible adjustments if you can’t see what you’re doing, the best adjustments like this can be found on the F8n.
The knobs on the F8n are pointers and have considerable drag behind them when adjusting.
The adjustments on the F6 are nearly as bad as the H6 though I suppose one could argue that with Float-32 then who really gives a damn anyway <smile>.
Because of the small control area one could argue that the controls are cramped.
The Zoom F6 is a little bigger than your description suggests and I certainly wouldn’t be too keen on clipping the F6 to a belt given the recorder is around 2 inches thick.
The F6 lie the H6 can be mounted on a tripod and a DSLR camera mounted on the top.
The F6 can fit into a hand easily enough, the best position for a F6 is on a table.
The XLFR connecters are down both sides, 3 on one and 3 on the other.
Another interesting aspect to the Zoom F6 and Zoom F8N is power.
The F6 by default is powered by 4 AA batteries but I suggest you think about an alternative power source to these as alkaline or rechargeable batteries won’t last too long with this recorder, rechargeable batteries cannot be charged from within the recorder.
The F6 has a USB-C connector on the side which can be used to power the device either with an AC Adapter or a Powerbank.
A power bank is without a doubt a cheap and handy option though for me a power bank wasn’t even a consideration as that meant more devices to lug about and more cables to connect.
The F6 can take the L camera series of Sony batteries and that’s what I settled on to power the recorder, I got over 30 hours of power to the recorder from one of these battery beasts though I should warn you that these batteries - if you buy the branded Sony type along with the charger - don’t come cheap, almost a quarter of the price of the recorder as a matter of fact for 2 batteries and the charger which I’ll go into detail about some other time.
Anyway the L series batteries clip onto the back of the recorder.
The powering of the Zoom F8n is intriguing to say the least.
By default the F8N takes 8 AA perlite batteries.
On the rear of the machine is a power socket that can except any voltage power supply from 9 to 18 volts.
Further to this there is another power socket on the side that can take the same voltages.
The user can `priorities the power supply so that if one supply is exhausted then the other supply takes over or if the voltage of one supply drops below a certain level than another supply kicks in so in short the Zoom F6 and F8N can perform literally hours upon hours of recording particularly in the case of the F8N with its dual SD card slots along with the USB connectivity.


On 25 Aug 2020, at 12:05 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

The F controll has nobs and things on it last I heard. Curtis Jud talked about it I think on 1 of the few vids he did of the F8 origenal. Well yeah the 32 bits thing wasn't like the major major thing of why I wanted 1. Actually the 6 XLRs all down the machine was more major and the fact that it's small. Supposedly you can clip it to your belt. How small is it anyways? Cause that is 1 set back to the H6 you can't be hands free. lol Unless you put the thing on a tripod. You can put it in a bag I did with the APH bag for the old handy casset recorder but and another draw back to the H6 you can too easely move the volume nobs. Which ain't cool as is but especially when you're doing stereo recordings and boath mics need to be on the same level. I gave this to Zoom as well in my feed back report. So we'll see if the H6N will have the bars like the H5.

On 8/24/2020 2:00 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s
got the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N.
Also the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so
what do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact
recorder with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has
its flaws so buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.



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Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Jerry Berrier
 

Yes, you have to link adjacent channels, 1-2, 3-4, etc.

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From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:50 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

Yeah I've ment to ask zoom a few things about the F6. The panning thing I hope is like you said that you can actually pann the chanals like on a mixer. Because the only panning you can do with the H6 is the monitor mixer. But as the name says monitor mixer it explains it self. Meh it's just so you don't hear all the mics unlinked in the middle of your head.
So you can't link on the F6 itself then like the H6 H5 and I'd assume the H4N Pro. Now is it true that like the H6 you can't choose which chanals to pan? I had origenally heard you could for instance link chanals 1 and 6 as an extream example. But someone on the RWP list said that no like on the H6 it's the pairs you can do. Meaning 1 is left 2 is right and so on all the way to 5 and 6. I too like making bird recordings.I mostly have been doing that to tesst the brightness of my Audio-Technica AT-8022. Yeah the beeps would come in handy. it also like the F8N beeps when the batteries are going flat. That's 1 problem with the H6. I keep reminding Zoom. Also I keep reminding them to make up some kinda Zoom jingle for when the thing boots up.

On 8/24/2020 4:53 AM, Jerry Berrier wrote:
Hi all,

I have had the F6 for a couple of months and have really enjoyed trying out some of its features.
It's very easy to link two tracks for stereo recording, but only if you have the iOS app.
Without the app, the recorder is quite inaccessible.
I use a Wildtronics amplified parabolic system for recording birds. It has a set of stereo mics in it, along with a focal mic. It's nice to be able to record with all three mics simultaneously.
There's a lot I don't understand about the recorder. For example, each channel can be panned anywhere from full right to full left. Is that for making wide-angle stereo recordings? I don't know. The default for each track is Center, so that's where I leave it.
The F6 has no built-in speaker, so you have to either use the app to start and stop recording or listen with headphones to hear the record beep when you press the record button on the device. Some people are probably asking why would you ever record without monitoring with headphones? Good questions.

I look forward to trying out the auto-mix feature some day when I can be in a face to face meeting room with lots of people again.



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From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:01 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s got
the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N. Also
the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so
what do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact
recorder with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has its
flaws so buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.








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Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Jerry Berrier
 

If you link two tracks for stereo, you control them both with one knob. That way the levels stay equal on both tracks.
I also got the L batteries, although I bought less expensive ones.
I cannot imagine putting the F6 on my belt, unless I wanted to risk my pants falling down. With the battery, it's kind of heavy.
I mostly use the recorder attached to my tripod that holds the parabola apparatus.

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From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:30 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

I agree with you regarding the knobs on the H6, absolutely terrible adjustments if you can’t see what you’re doing, the best adjustments like this can be found on the F8n.
The knobs on the F8n are pointers and have considerable drag behind them when adjusting.
The adjustments on the F6 are nearly as bad as the H6 though I suppose one could argue that with Float-32 then who really gives a damn anyway <smile>.
Because of the small control area one could argue that the controls are cramped.
The Zoom F6 is a little bigger than your description suggests and I certainly wouldn’t be too keen on clipping the F6 to a belt given the recorder is around 2 inches thick.
The F6 lie the H6 can be mounted on a tripod and a DSLR camera mounted on the top.
The F6 can fit into a hand easily enough, the best position for a F6 is on a table.
The XLFR connecters are down both sides, 3 on one and 3 on the other.
Another interesting aspect to the Zoom F6 and Zoom F8N is power.
The F6 by default is powered by 4 AA batteries but I suggest you think about an alternative power source to these as alkaline or rechargeable batteries won’t last too long with this recorder, rechargeable batteries cannot be charged from within the recorder.
The F6 has a USB-C connector on the side which can be used to power the device either with an AC Adapter or a Powerbank.
A power bank is without a doubt a cheap and handy option though for me a power bank wasn’t even a consideration as that meant more devices to lug about and more cables to connect.
The F6 can take the L camera series of Sony batteries and that’s what I settled on to power the recorder, I got over 30 hours of power to the recorder from one of these battery beasts though I should warn you that these batteries - if you buy the branded Sony type along with the charger - don’t come cheap, almost a quarter of the price of the recorder as a matter of fact for 2 batteries and the charger which I’ll go into detail about some other time.
Anyway the L series batteries clip onto the back of the recorder.
The powering of the Zoom F8n is intriguing to say the least.
By default the F8N takes 8 AA perlite batteries.
On the rear of the machine is a power socket that can except any voltage power supply from 9 to 18 volts.
Further to this there is another power socket on the side that can take the same voltages.
The user can `priorities the power supply so that if one supply is exhausted then the other supply takes over or if the voltage of one supply drops below a certain level than another supply kicks in so in short the Zoom F6 and F8N can perform literally hours upon hours of recording particularly in the case of the F8N with its dual SD card slots along with the USB connectivity.


On 25 Aug 2020, at 12:05 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

The F controll has nobs and things on it last I heard. Curtis Jud talked about it I think on 1 of the few vids he did of the F8 origenal. Well yeah the 32 bits thing wasn't like the major major thing of why I wanted 1. Actually the 6 XLRs all down the machine was more major and the fact that it's small. Supposedly you can clip it to your belt. How small is it anyways? Cause that is 1 set back to the H6 you can't be hands free. lol Unless you put the thing on a tripod. You can put it in a bag I did with the APH bag for the old handy casset recorder but and another draw back to the H6 you can too easely move the volume nobs. Which ain't cool as is but especially when you're doing stereo recordings and boath mics need to be on the same level. I gave this to Zoom as well in my feed back report. So we'll see if the H6N will have the bars like the H5.

On 8/24/2020 2:00 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s
got the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N.
Also the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so
what do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact
recorder with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has
its flaws so buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.



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Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

I agree with you regarding the knobs on the H6, absolutely terrible adjustments if you can’t see what you’re doing, the best adjustments like this can be found on the F8n.
The knobs on the F8n are pointers and have considerable drag behind them when adjusting.
The adjustments on the F6 are nearly as bad as the H6 though I suppose one could argue that with Float-32 then who really gives a damn anyway <smile>.
Because of the small control area one could argue that the controls are cramped.
The Zoom F6 is a little bigger than your description suggests and I certainly wouldn’t be too keen on clipping the F6 to a belt given the recorder is around 2 inches thick.
The F6 lie the H6 can be mounted on a tripod and a DSLR camera mounted on the top.
The F6 can fit into a hand easily enough, the best position for a F6 is on a table.
The XLFR connecters are down both sides, 3 on one and 3 on the other.
Another interesting aspect to the Zoom F6 and Zoom F8N is power.
The F6 by default is powered by 4 AA batteries but I suggest you think about an alternative power source to these as alkaline or rechargeable batteries won’t last too long with this recorder, rechargeable batteries cannot be charged from within the recorder.
The F6 has a USB-C connector on the side which can be used to power the device either with an AC Adapter or a Powerbank.
A power bank is without a doubt a cheap and handy option though for me a power bank wasn’t even a consideration as that meant more devices to lug about and more cables to connect.
The F6 can take the L camera series of Sony batteries and that’s what I settled on to power the recorder, I got over 30 hours of power to the recorder from one of these battery beasts though I should warn you that these batteries - if you buy the branded Sony type along with the charger - don’t come cheap, almost a quarter of the price of the recorder as a matter of fact for 2 batteries and the charger which I’ll go into detail about some other time.
Anyway the L series batteries clip onto the back of the recorder.
The powering of the Zoom F8n is intriguing to say the least.
By default the F8N takes 8 AA perlite batteries.
On the rear of the machine is a power socket that can except any voltage power supply from 9 to 18 volts.
Further to this there is another power socket on the side that can take the same voltages.
The user can `priorities the power supply so that if one supply is exhausted then the other supply takes over or if the voltage of one supply drops below a certain level than another supply kicks in so in short the Zoom F6 and F8N can perform literally hours upon hours of recording particularly in the case of the F8N with its dual SD card slots along with the USB connectivity.

On 25 Aug 2020, at 12:05 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

The F controll has nobs and things on it last I heard. Curtis Jud talked about it I think on 1 of the few vids he did of the F8 origenal. Well yeah the 32 bits thing wasn't like the major major thing of why I wanted 1. Actually the 6 XLRs all down the machine was more major and the fact that it's small. Supposedly you can clip it to your belt. How small is it anyways? Cause that is 1 set back to the H6 you can't be hands free. lol Unless you put the thing on a tripod. You can put it in a bag I did with the APH bag for the old handy casset recorder but and another draw back to the H6 you can too easely move the volume nobs. Which ain't cool as is but especially when you're doing stereo recordings and boath mics need to be on the same level. I gave this to Zoom as well in my feed back report. So we'll see if the H6N will have the bars like the H5.

On 8/24/2020 2:00 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal Ewers and
Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not like about the
buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32 bits floating point
WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s got the epic quality sound of
the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N. Also the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would
make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power box to
spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have you found
pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so what do
you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there are in
my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders respectively
above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact recorder with
heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has its flaws so buy
carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.



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Re: accessible portable HD Radio

Gary Schindler
 

The Marc 3 and the Sangean HDr14 and the HDR-16 radios can be found on amazon.com. The radios are battery opporated and come with power adapters too! The Marc 3 costs about $50.00, and the Sangean radios are around $100.00 or so!


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Merv Keck
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:48 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] accessible portable HD Radio

Hi,
I thought everyone in the United States at least had pretty much moved to Online radio but someone I need to buy a gift for has her heart set on an HD or super duper whammer jammer radio of some sort. As long as it is portable as in battery operated and gets A M and FM and maybe has a few other bells and whistles like HD or I don't care what else as long as it is accessible for a totally blind individual. I also don't mind paying for quality which is why I'm asking on this list as usually good quality items are only discussed on this group.
Thanks in advance.
Merv


Re: Help Needed for Behringer Audio Mixer x1622 USB & Recording With Goldwave

Georgina Joyce
 

hello Philip,

Glad you found the way. You are clearly quite creative. I hope u are able to get your money back.

You have helped me too. I purchased a Soundcraft Signature 12 MTK and the mic level was low. I had to have the gain turned up full for a good condenser. The same Mic connected to a Scarlett only needed a third of the way. I am not sure if they have fixed my mixer or just sent me another. It is still in it's packaging as I am getting used to not having it. They said there was a mix up because of the Covid 19 situation. I guess I need to set it all back up and see what the state of play is with it.

Well done, be careful how you celebrate. The Heath has drunk enough! LOL!

Kind regards,



On 24 Aug 2020, at 19:29, Philip Francis Anderson <pfa@philip-anderson.co.uk> wrote:

Hello Georgina

Turns out the problem was with the mixer. I resurrected my old Alan Heath broadcast console from the spare room from where it had been languishing for goodness knows how long and connected it up to my Windows 10 machine and I am now able to record into goldwave using my XLR wired mikes problem free.

From what I can gather from one or two dedicated Behringer forums, the problem is universal with the Xenyx 12 channel USB mixer as others were reporting similar issues with low level sound on playback even with the fantum button enabled.
It's possible I may have to replace this old Alan Heath mixer at some point as the two of us didn't part on good terms six years ago. My fault. I ended up knocking a glass of wine over it. Sufficed to say, the general circuitry is not what it should be with the onboard effects chamber being the worst affected. However, at least most of the channels still work - including the broadcast fader surprisingly enough.

Meanwhile, thanks for your suggestions
Cordially
Philip
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From: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io> <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 24 August 2020 00:51
To: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Help Needed for Behringer Audio Mixer x1622 USB & Recording With Goldwave

Hello Philip,

I guess you know far more than I. However, I will suggest. The microphone? Are you feeding it fantom if it is needed? Is it a nice quiet NB-7B? If it is one of those combo XLR / 1/4 jack sockets there may be a gain switch. You should be able to get it's manual online. The Behringer I had the manual was available.

Good luck,

Gena

On 24 Aug 2020, at 00:08, Philip Francis Anderson <pfa@philip-anderson.co.uk> wrote:

Thank you, Georgina. I know the button you are talking about. Yes,
it's depressed. Upon running a test, it is saying my microphone levels
within Goldwave are too low. However, even when I increase them to
maximum, playback still returns silence. This said, when I switch from
USB Audio Codek within GW's Device Tab to USB Codek Looped back
Speakers, Goldwave will allow me to record and playback sounds captured via my computer.

It is possible there's another button on the Behringer which I need to
activate, or another setting within GW I've overlooked.

Thing is, I'm knew to this particular brand of mixer. I use to own
quite a snazzy Alan Heath Mixer in the past, but the one I wanted and
was familiar with, was just a tad outside my current budget. Had I
still been working in radio, then I could have justified the £1,000
capital outlay. It just so happened I managed to purchase this
Behringer XENYX 12 channel X1622 USB for under £200.00 brand new from
Bax Music. Quite a bargain I thought, till this problem with the
microphone occurred. I'm sure I'll conquer the little beast in time. Just a matter of patience.

Cordially
Philip
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From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina
Joyce
Sent: 23 August 2020 23:20
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Help Needed for Behringer Audio Mixer x1622
USB & Recording With Goldwave

Hello,

I don't know that mixer but it sounds like an audio routing problem.
You clearly have the USB part of the mixer installed and now the
microphone output needs to be routed to the master track. I know how
this would be done in Reaper but I have not used Gold Wave. I suspect
that the mixer only uses one channel to Windows. Therefore, there must
be a switch on the console to route the microphone's output to USB.

Regards,

On 22 Aug 2020, at 17:17, Philip Francis Anderson
<pfa@philip-anderson.co.uk> wrote:

Hello All



I'm new to this list and wondered whether anyone is currently using a
Behringer x1622 USB 12 channel mixer in conjunction with Goldwave on
Windows
10 with NVDA?



My problem? Goldwave is not capturing sound via my microphone
connected to my Behringer.



The hardware is working since I am able to hear my voice through my
headphones while speaking.

I am also able to playback sound files in Goldwave through my
Behringer mixer.



Volume levels in both goldwave and windows are set to maximum until I
can achieve a result.



Under "Device Tab" in Goldwave, playback and record are both
utilising USB Audio Codek, the sound driver recommended for my Behringer.

Under Microphone, the quality is set to 44100hz /32 / shared.



In windows privacy settings, both Goldwave and microphone are enabled
with assigned permissions respectively.



If anyone has any solutions, please share.



Thank you in anticipation.



Cordially

Philip

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Re: Help Needed for Behringer Audio Mixer x1622 USB & Recording With Goldwave

Philip Francis Anderson
 

Hello Georgina

Turns out the problem was with the mixer. I resurrected my old Alan Heath broadcast console from the spare room from where it had been languishing for goodness knows how long and connected it up to my Windows 10 machine and I am now able to record into goldwave using my XLR wired mikes problem free.

From what I can gather from one or two dedicated Behringer forums, the problem is universal with the Xenyx 12 channel USB mixer as others were reporting similar issues with low level sound on playback even with the fantum button enabled.
It's possible I may have to replace this old Alan Heath mixer at some point as the two of us didn't part on good terms six years ago. My fault. I ended up knocking a glass of wine over it. Sufficed to say, the general circuitry is not what it should be with the onboard effects chamber being the worst affected. However, at least most of the channels still work - including the broadcast fader surprisingly enough.

Meanwhile, thanks for your suggestions
Cordially
Philip
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-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 24 August 2020 00:51
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Help Needed for Behringer Audio Mixer x1622 USB & Recording With Goldwave

Hello Philip,

I guess you know far more than I. However, I will suggest. The microphone? Are you feeding it fantom if it is needed? Is it a nice quiet NB-7B? If it is one of those combo XLR / 1/4 jack sockets there may be a gain switch. You should be able to get it's manual online. The Behringer I had the manual was available.

Good luck,

Gena

On 24 Aug 2020, at 00:08, Philip Francis Anderson <pfa@philip-anderson.co.uk> wrote:

Thank you, Georgina. I know the button you are talking about. Yes,
it's depressed. Upon running a test, it is saying my microphone levels
within Goldwave are too low. However, even when I increase them to
maximum, playback still returns silence. This said, when I switch from
USB Audio Codek within GW's Device Tab to USB Codek Looped back
Speakers, Goldwave will allow me to record and playback sounds captured via my computer.

It is possible there's another button on the Behringer which I need to
activate, or another setting within GW I've overlooked.

Thing is, I'm knew to this particular brand of mixer. I use to own
quite a snazzy Alan Heath Mixer in the past, but the one I wanted and
was familiar with, was just a tad outside my current budget. Had I
still been working in radio, then I could have justified the £1,000
capital outlay. It just so happened I managed to purchase this
Behringer XENYX 12 channel X1622 USB for under £200.00 brand new from
Bax Music. Quite a bargain I thought, till this problem with the
microphone occurred. I'm sure I'll conquer the little beast in time. Just a matter of patience.

Cordially
Philip
Philip Francis Anderson
Independence for life! Making a Difference, Making it Happen!
Winner of "Let's Do Enterprise North Staffordshire 2007.

"Laborate pro sapientia et salute" - Let us work for wisdom and health.

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-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina
Joyce
Sent: 23 August 2020 23:20
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Help Needed for Behringer Audio Mixer x1622
USB & Recording With Goldwave

Hello,

I don't know that mixer but it sounds like an audio routing problem.
You clearly have the USB part of the mixer installed and now the
microphone output needs to be routed to the master track. I know how
this would be done in Reaper but I have not used Gold Wave. I suspect
that the mixer only uses one channel to Windows. Therefore, there must
be a switch on the console to route the microphone's output to USB.

Regards,

On 22 Aug 2020, at 17:17, Philip Francis Anderson
<pfa@philip-anderson.co.uk> wrote:

Hello All



I'm new to this list and wondered whether anyone is currently using a
Behringer x1622 USB 12 channel mixer in conjunction with Goldwave on
Windows
10 with NVDA?



My problem? Goldwave is not capturing sound via my microphone
connected to my Behringer.



The hardware is working since I am able to hear my voice through my
headphones while speaking.

I am also able to playback sound files in Goldwave through my
Behringer mixer.



Volume levels in both goldwave and windows are set to maximum until I
can achieve a result.



Under "Device Tab" in Goldwave, playback and record are both
utilising USB Audio Codek, the sound driver recommended for my Behringer.

Under Microphone, the quality is set to 44100hz /32 / shared.



In windows privacy settings, both Goldwave and microphone are enabled
with assigned permissions respectively.



If anyone has any solutions, please share.



Thank you in anticipation.



Cordially

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Re: accessible portable HD Radio

Tom Kaufman
 

MERV: The radio I have is the Sangean PRD-17. This radio is an AM/FM
portable radio that a blind/visually impaired person can operate very
successfully. Note: this radio DOES NOT have HD! So if the person you are
going to get a radio for wants a radio with HD capabilities, then you won't
want this one! But it's not a bad radio; a blind person can access just
about all of the functions that a sighted person would access! I don't know
what these radios sell for now; would depend on where you get it from!
Hopefully this has been helpful!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:48 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] accessible portable HD Radio

Hi,
I thought everyone in the United States at least had pretty much moved to
Online radio but someone I need to buy a gift for has her heart set on an HD
or super duper whammer jammer radio of some sort. As long as it is portable
as in battery operated and gets A M and FM and maybe has a few other bells
and whistles like HD or I don't care what else as long as it is accessible
for a totally blind individual. I also don't mind paying for quality which
is why I'm asking on this list as usually good quality items are only
discussed on this group.
Thanks in advance.
Merv


accessible portable HD Radio

Merv Keck <blind5sparrow@...>
 

Hi,
I thought everyone in the United States at least had pretty much moved to Online radio but someone I need to buy a gift for has her heart set on an HD or super duper whammer jammer radio of some sort. As long as it is portable as in battery operated and gets A M and FM and maybe has a few other bells and whistles like HD or I don't care what else as long as it is accessible for a totally blind individual. I also don't mind paying for quality which is why I'm asking on this list as usually good quality items are only discussed on this group.
Thanks in advance.
Merv


Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Hamit Campos
 

The F controll has nobs and things on it last I heard. Curtis Jud talked about it I think on 1 of the few vids he did of the F8 origenal. Well yeah the 32 bits thing wasn't like the major major thing of why I wanted 1. Actually the 6 XLRs all down the machine was more major and the fact that it's small. Supposedly you can clip it to your belt. How small is it anyways? Cause that is 1 set back to the H6 you can't be hands free. lol Unless you put the thing on a tripod. You can put it in a bag I did with the APH bag for the old handy casset recorder but and another draw back to the H6 you can too easely move the volume nobs. Which ain't cool as is but especially when you're doing stereo recordings and boath mics need to be on the same level. I gave this to Zoom as well in my feed back report. So we'll see if the H6N will have the bars like the H5.

On 8/24/2020 2:00 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal Ewers and
Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not like about the
buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32 bits floating point
WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s got the epic quality sound of
the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N. Also the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would
make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power box to
spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have you found
pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so what do
you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there are in
my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders respectively
above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact recorder with
heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has its flaws so buy
carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.



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Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Hamit Campos
 

Yeah I've ment to ask zoom a few things about the F6. The panning thing I hope is like you said that you can actually pann the chanals like on a mixer. Because the only panning you can do with the H6 is the monitor mixer. But as the name says monitor mixer it explains it self. Meh it's just so you don't hear all the mics unlinked in the middle of your head. So you can't link on the F6 itself then like the H6 H5 and I'd assume the H4N Pro. Now is it true that like the H6 you can't choose which chanals to pan? I had origenally heard you could for instance link chanals 1 and 6 as an extream example. But someone on the RWP list said that no like on the H6 it's the pairs you can do. Meaning 1 is left 2 is right and so on all the way to 5 and 6. I too like making bird recordings.I mostly have been doing that to tesst the brightness of my Audio-Technica AT-8022. Yeah the beeps would come in handy. it also like the F8N beeps when the batteries are going flat. That's 1 problem with the H6. I keep reminding Zoom. Also I keep reminding them to make up some kinda Zoom jingle for when the thing boots up.

On 8/24/2020 4:53 AM, Jerry Berrier wrote:
Hi all,

I have had the F6 for a couple of months and have really enjoyed trying out some of its features.
It's very easy to link two tracks for stereo recording, but only if you have the iOS app.
Without the app, the recorder is quite inaccessible.
I use a Wildtronics amplified parabolic system for recording birds. It has a set of stereo mics in it, along with a focal mic. It's nice to be able to record with all three mics simultaneously.
There's a lot I don't understand about the recorder. For example, each channel can be panned anywhere from full right to full left. Is that for making wide-angle stereo recordings? I don't know. The default for each track is Center, so that's where I leave it.
The F6 has no built-in speaker, so you have to either use the app to start and stop recording or listen with headphones to hear the record beep when you press the record button on the device. Some people are probably asking why would you ever record without monitoring with headphones? Good questions.

I look forward to trying out the auto-mix feature some day when I can be in a face to face meeting room with lots of people again.


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:01 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s got
the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N. Also
the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so what
do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact recorder
with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has its flaws so
buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.







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MacBook Pro 2019 16-inch

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

Hi.
I managed to purchase one of these brilliant machines though I will warn people before they start thinking about a 16-Inch MacBook Pro, you’ll need a lot of money in your piggy bank so it will take you a while to reach your goal but patience is indeed a virtu <smile>
I won’t go on about every thing this machine has to offer but I should make mention of the excellent quality of the machines internal speaker system which is without a doubt the best I’ve ever heard on a Notebook computer.
The speakers are either side of the keyboard, both facing up and with ports facing down so sound comes from 2 sides of the machine, from the top and the bottom.
If you are going to use one of these machines then I would seriously consider getting some sort of Thunderbolt dock to make life that little bit easier when connecting devices rather than carrying around a swag of USB-C to whatever adapters you may require.
I use a Caldigit TB3 Plus dock here which - along with a great collection of USB-A/C, and HDMI ports has a spattering of audio ports including 3.5MM audio in/out sockets along with a digital audio optical output which is damn useful.


Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

Thanks for some interesting observations of the recorder.
Starting and stopping? I had never given any thought to that and interesting to hear your perspective, I just press “Record” and when I’m finished I just press “Stop without monitoring with headphones, the way I’ve always done things for 40 years with Cassette Recorders <smile> but seriously yes, I do agree that the beep signals through the headphones are dead handy along with the excellent headphone amplifier the F6 and F8N recorders both have.
I’m not a fan of built-in speakers for recorders of this type and that’s probably because they usually sound so bad you wonder why the manufacturer bother with them anyway so a good headphone amp coupled with your favourite headphones seems to be a great compromise for a professional recorder.
There’s a lot I need to learn about this recorder too I can assure you.
Thanks for your mention of the microphones and I see you like recording bird calls as well.
I have a backyard full of quite a few different birds which I’ve captured over time.
On a different subject I recently purchased a Blue Yeti Pro, what a wonderful little microphone that is.

On 24 Aug 2020, at 6:53 pm, Jerry Berrier <jlblists@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I have had the F6 for a couple of months and have really enjoyed trying out some of its features.
It's very easy to link two tracks for stereo recording, but only if you have the iOS app.
Without the app, the recorder is quite inaccessible.
I use a Wildtronics amplified parabolic system for recording birds. It has a set of stereo mics in it, along with a focal mic. It's nice to be able to record with all three mics simultaneously.
There's a lot I don't understand about the recorder. For example, each channel can be panned anywhere from full right to full left. Is that for making wide-angle stereo recordings? I don't know. The default for each track is Center, so that's where I leave it.
The F6 has no built-in speaker, so you have to either use the app to start and stop recording or listen with headphones to hear the record beep when you press the record button on the device. Some people are probably asking why would you ever record without monitoring with headphones? Good questions.

I look forward to trying out the auto-mix feature some day when I can be in a face to face meeting room with lots of people again.



-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:01 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s got
the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N. Also
the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so what
do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact recorder
with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has its flaws so
buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.











Re: Zoom F6 Recorder

Jerry Berrier
 

Hi all,

I have had the F6 for a couple of months and have really enjoyed trying out some of its features.
It's very easy to link two tracks for stereo recording, but only if you have the iOS app.
Without the app, the recorder is quite inaccessible.
I use a Wildtronics amplified parabolic system for recording birds. It has a set of stereo mics in it, along with a focal mic. It's nice to be able to record with all three mics simultaneously.
There's a lot I don't understand about the recorder. For example, each channel can be panned anywhere from full right to full left. Is that for making wide-angle stereo recordings? I don't know. The default for each track is Center, so that's where I leave it.
The F6 has no built-in speaker, so you have to either use the app to start and stop recording or listen with headphones to hear the record beep when you press the record button on the device. Some people are probably asking why would you ever record without monitoring with headphones? Good questions.

I look forward to trying out the auto-mix feature some day when I can be in a face to face meeting room with lots of people again.

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:01 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Zoom F6 Recorder

Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>


On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal
Ewers and Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not
like about the buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32
bits floating point WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s got
the epic quality sound of the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N. Also
the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power
box to spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have
you found pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so what
do you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there
are in my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders
respectively above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact recorder
with heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has its flaws so
buy carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.





Zoom F6 Recorder

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

Hi.
Apologies if the subject line was referring to the wrong recorder unit, the recorder we’re discussing here is the Zoom F6 and not the Zoom H6 which are 2 completely different recorders.
Yes, I have a Zoom F6 and Yes, I have read other reviews and opinions on this recorder.
Like every Zoom or every other recorder the Zoom F6 to me has its advantages and disadvantages over some of the other Zoom recorders I have here - actually I have quite a collection of the brutes - but all-in-all my favourite Zoom recorder is still the Zoom F8n for far too many reasons to enumerate here and even the H6 still punches above its own weight in a lot of areas so I guess people are going to have to do a little more homework before you but.
Don’t just take notice of reviews and information that dished out to you and don’t be afraid to ask questions of those who have these recorders so we may arm you with the facts and the knowledge before you go out and invest your hard money in one of these recorders.
Whatever the recorder there is a little learning kerb to be had.
Some recorders have a better layout than others, this can make a real difference in operation.
Okay so I’ve not done all that much work with the F6 yet and have only had the machine for a few weeks so some notes to begin with through observations I’ve made.
The menu system wraps around on the F6 where on the F8N the menu system has fixed starting and ending points.
The menu navigation is performed by small buttons not much bigger than match heads, not my ideal way of doing things but there we are, I much prefer the jog-dial of the F8N or even the spring rocker of the H6 or H2n.
32-bit floating point is an exciting development and the main reason why I bought the recorder but think carefully before you go out and spend your money.
Digital Recorders do have quite a bit of head room but like everything else they have there limitations so unless you really know that you’re going to be recording sounds from extreme soft to extreme loud then you might look at another recorder.
The absence of 6.25MM jacks is a bit annoying but not the end of the world of course, I guess it’s something that I’m used to.
And now for the real cruncher to be aware of if you’re thinking of using the Zoom F6 with an IOS device.
Yes this can be done and is aptly demonstrated on Mosen At Large but By Gee, it takes a bit of organisation to do and then you have to reconnect the Bluetooth and the iPhone every time you wish to start a session, sorry chums but that’s just not acceptable in my view when the Zoom F8n will connect via Bluetooth right out of the box if you have the latest firmware update installed.
Accessibility for the IOS App is about the same so if you’ve heard the Zoom F6 demo then you can pretty much sum up the F8N’s functionality with the F8 Controller App.
I’m yet to try one of the optional mixing surfaces available and I don’t know whether they consist of a touch screen or buttons, faders etc so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
Think that’s all for the moment <smile>

On 24 Aug 2020, at 11:14 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dain. On the RWP list there are like 3 or 4 guys including Neal Ewers and
Jonathan Mozen that have 1. Do you have 1? What do you not like about the
buttons and menus? I wanted 1 for the PCM 192 KHZ 32 bits floating point
WAV. Also it’s an F recorder so I assume it’s got the epic quality sound of
the F4 F8 and now before it the F8N. Also the fact it’s got 6 XLRs would
make using 6 mics with it for 5.1 surround sound easier than with the H6.
Because with the H6 1 would need the EX H6 for starters than a power box to
spit phantom at those other 2 mics. If you do have 1 how have you found
pairing channals on it? Is it harder than the H6?
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@internode.on.net>
wrote:

Hi.
Was wondering if anyone on list had a Zoom f6 recorder and if so what do
you think?
I still have my Zoom F8N and H6 recorders and I have to admit there are in
my opinion a few things that put the F8N and H6 recorders respectively
above the Zoom F6, the main being layout of menus and controls.
I’m not at all knocking the F6 as its a beaut little compact recorder with
heaps of punch but like everything else the F6 has its flaws so buy
carefully if you’re looking at one of these recorders.




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