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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Hamit Campos
 

He's in Madison Wisconsin. He's a musician and naturest to an extent. He loves recording birds lakes tranes all kinds of things. He uses 2 KM140s in ORTF.

On 5/14/2020 7:42 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Both of you reference someone called Neil, is this the guy from the young ones? LOL!

All electronic devices make a noise but typically not in our hearing range. However, amplifiers when cranked up do. If you read reviews of the Zoom H6 you are likely to observe a mown about the pre-amps. You can definitely hear it on your bird recording. This is where if you used a condenser mic you would not have to crank up the gain hence cut down the amount of hiss. To use the equipment you have is to record in wav then remove the hiss via a computer.

Who is this Neil?

Gena

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

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Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Zoom H6 assessories

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andy,

Pixy mount is a stand, tripod I think. The Deadcat you mean the wind jammer? Is this for the clip on mics? My block of foam that came with it is still wrapped.

Regards,

Gena
On 14 May 2020, at 21:50, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgina.

I did get the extension with an extra 2 xlr's. I also bought a 3 mtr xlr cable, so I can sit at the side of a band and not in front of the band. Never had a chance to use this.

Georgina, a Pixi Mic??? Never bought that but sounds interesting if you do like it. I also purchased the Dead Cate,, which is wonderful, perhaps the best I've seen and not too expensive.

Andy.

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Hello hamit,

Do you know how much easier the remote is in tactile terms?

I might just get that third party one. But typically, the sighted world think it is better because it has pretty lights.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 14:50, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi. Ah yes the axesories pack. No but I want to. If nothing but for that remote and the wind screen. I also would love to buy the EX H6 snap off. That's the snap off with the 2 extra XLRs. Note that if you wana use condencers into those you will need an external power source as this peace doesn't get phantum.

On 5/14/2020 9:39 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

I looked through the accessories available for the H6 and notice that there are a few things of interest and wondered. Has anyone purchased the official pack with a remote control or the third party remote control?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/JJC-SR-RCH6-Anti-Shake-Control-Recorder/dp/B06WD4FJPF

Andy did you know you could get a long extension cable for your mics. I also like the sound of the pixy mount.

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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello,

Yes there are lots. But as you would have seen we have been discussing polar patterns and where to employ them. So what type of mic? Some like the Shure MV88. Others use the Blue Yetti with the camera connection kit. At least with the yeti you can choose between cardioid, figure of 8 and omnidirectional. But like with the Zoom it depends on how you want to employ it and how deep is your pocket.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 21:48, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
Speaking of such mics.
Are there any such mics for the Iphone?
/A

14 maj 2020 kl. 10:54 skrev Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>>:

Hi John.

Why not give it a go my old friend.

As soon as this Lock down is over, I intend doing just that, Perhaps you'd consider joining me.

Though this time, I'll not use the wonderful Olympus DS50 withthe BSm microphones, but rather, the BSM set attached to my Zoom F8n.

We could arrange to meet at Glasgow Central Stn.

Here is the walk I've now done at leaset half a dozen times. I bet you can follow this in your head John, because you needed to know the city, given your job!
.

After getting the ferry across from Kilcreggan to Gouroch, I get the express to Glasgow Central Stn.

I ask for sighted assistance when alighting from the train from Scotrail staff to walk me out to Gavins St.

I turn left , then left again and walk down to the Highlanders Umbrela on Argyle Street.

I walk along to the crossing at Jamaca St, cross the crossing to the other side and walk down to Richard Sounds and to Kenny's Mucic next door.

I can usually get bits and bobs in these shops.

Then I'd go back up Jamaca street and cross Argyle St agian and walk right up Buchanan street to the Apple store and onto Northface for something for walking the hills, like a new fleese.

Here is the interesting bit, continue to Walk up Buchanan St and glide over to the right side and look for Greggs.

Buy 2 of their lovely Vegan sausage rolls and cut through the path to Dows Bar, just at Queen St station and have a couple of ice Cold Beers .

Normally I'd cross the road into Queen St Stn and get a train to Helensburgh.

Go into the Station Bar for another beer, then get the bus to Kilcreggan and a 2 mile walk up the hill to my home.

Now John , that is indeed a really grand day out and there is nothing Truer than the statement that Glasgow really is the Friendly City, for as you know, the people in the city are just fantastic and you don't even kneed to ask for assistance, it's just there all the time in 3D friendlyness.

Only one thing John, I'd rather have a lovely day rather than pissing rain, which is often the case unfortunately.

Very best wishes.

Andy.


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I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


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Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk><mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/><j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io <mailto:j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io>> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

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Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/><j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io <mailto:j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io>> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


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Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Zoom H6 assessories

Andy
 

Hi Georgina.

I did get the extension with an extra 2 xlr's. I also bought a 3 mtr xlr cable, so I can sit at the side of a band and not in front of the band. Never had a chance to use this.

Georgina, a Pixi Mic??? Never bought that but sounds interesting if you do like it. I also purchased the Dead Cate,, which is wonderful, perhaps the best I've seen and not too expensive.

Andy.

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Hello hamit,

Do you know how much easier the remote is in tactile terms?

I might just get that third party one. But typically, the sighted world think it is better because it has pretty lights.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 14:50, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi. Ah yes the axesories pack. No but I want to. If nothing but for that remote and the wind screen. I also would love to buy the EX H6 snap off. That's the snap off with the 2 extra XLRs. Note that if you wana use condencers into those you will need an external power source as this peace doesn't get phantum.

On 5/14/2020 9:39 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

I looked through the accessories available for the H6 and notice that there are a few things of interest and wondered. Has anyone purchased the official pack with a remote control or the third party remote control?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/JJC-SR-RCH6-Anti-Shake-Control-Recorder/dp/B06WD4FJPF

Andy did you know you could get a long extension cable for your mics. I also like the sound of the pixy mount.

Regards,
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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Anders Holmberg
 

Hi!
Speaking of such mics.
Are there any such mics for the Iphone?
/A

14 maj 2020 kl. 10:54 skrev Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>:

Hi John.

Why not give it a go my old friend.

As soon as this Lock down is over, I intend doing just that, Perhaps you'd consider joining me.

Though this time, I'll not use the wonderful Olympus DS50 withthe BSm microphones, but rather, the BSM set attached to my Zoom F8n.

We could arrange to meet at Glasgow Central Stn.

Here is the walk I've now done at leaset half a dozen times. I bet you can follow this in your head John, because you needed to know the city, given your job!
.

After getting the ferry across from Kilcreggan to Gouroch, I get the express to Glasgow Central Stn.

I ask for sighted assistance when alighting from the train from Scotrail staff to walk me out to Gavins St.

I turn left , then left again and walk down to the Highlanders Umbrela on Argyle Street.

I walk along to the crossing at Jamaca St, cross the crossing to the other side and walk down to Richard Sounds and to Kenny's Mucic next door.

I can usually get bits and bobs in these shops.

Then I'd go back up Jamaca street and cross Argyle St agian and walk right up Buchanan street to the Apple store and onto Northface for something for walking the hills, like a new fleese.

Here is the interesting bit, continue to Walk up Buchanan St and glide over to the right side and look for Greggs.

Buy 2 of their lovely Vegan sausage rolls and cut through the path to Dows Bar, just at Queen St station and have a couple of ice Cold Beers .

Normally I'd cross the road into Queen St Stn and get a train to Helensburgh.

Go into the Station Bar for another beer, then get the bus to Kilcreggan and a 2 mile walk up the hill to my home.

Now John , that is indeed a really grand day out and there is nothing Truer than the statement that Glasgow really is the Friendly City, for as you know, the people in the city are just fantastic and you don't even kneed to ask for assistance, it's just there all the time in 3D friendlyness.

Only one thing John, I'd rather have a lovely day rather than pissing rain, which is often the case unfortunately.

Very best wishes.

Andy.


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I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


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Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

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Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


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Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andy,

I used AIRA to set fantom power. I don’t recall instructions precise enough to do it blindly. They may be there but I was listening to it for another reason. Having sighted support from the phone 24 / 7 is a lot easier than hoping that all the clicks registered. I personally find that it is quite a dodgy navigation method.

Regards,
On 14 May 2020, at 21:27, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgina.

I have some written stuff about the menu structure, but it's not much.

As for turning the Phantom Power on or off, well Neal covers this in his Review of the H6 I posted earlier

I think I've other materials on Youtube so I'll have a look for you.

Andy.


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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Andy
 

Hi Georgina.

I have some written stuff about the menu structure, but it's not much.

As for turning the Phantom Power on or off, well Neal covers this in his Review of the H6 I posted earlier

I think I've other materials on Youtube so I'll have a look for you.

Andy.


Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Hamit Campos
 

I can tell you it's in the input outpoot menu. But as I just have Abby read me the screen I can't tell you exactly if it's tthird or forth down in that menu. Than you have to scrole threw the tracks to light up the 1 you want. I keep reminding Zoom to please oh please make the thing talk even if they have someone sit in a studio like Olympus did. Because and Abby herself pointed this out that the choice changes if you have the tracks linked or not. I too would like the ritten menus if someone got them when Neal had them. That's when I first started experiencing his none responding. This way I don't keep having to ask abby. Also I don't have to wait for her to show up. This was 1 of the things that had me on the fence at first. I then went with the H6 because Dain Trethowen himself once said on a thread about accessibility of recorders well what do you want. A thing that is blind people specific or quality? So I said ya know what? I choose quality. What's more Olympus had just discontinued the LS-100. Which would have had 2 advantages over any of the Zooms. Well the charging of the battery I don't know if no Zooms don't so resurve judgment on that. But the 100 talked so you could set the menus. Now the actual third thing related to phantum is actually an advantage for sighted and or blind people. The LS-100 had switches like the Marantz recorders do. So you don't as Curtis Jud says have to dive threw menus. But meh I went with the H6 in the end for 2 reasons. It's brighter sounding then the Olympus was, and as you can get 6 chanals if you get the EX H6 2 extra XLRs snap off 1 could make 5.1 recordings with it. But yes if someone has that tree Neal said he'd make please pass it on.

On 5/14/2020 11:18 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello,

Does anyone have written notes of the menu structure? I thought I had at least listed the steps to turning fantom power on. But I can’t find it.

Thanks,

On 14 May 2020, at 15:36, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:

Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

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Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Hamit Campos
 

Ah fair enough Gena. I always thought he just told SoundForge or Studio Recorder save as 192 KBPS MP3 and that's that. But perhaps he did do stuff to the files. Yes you're right his voice is real bassie. Also I've found on some podcasts he either records at a real low level or he lowers them in SoundForge. The last thing is that for instance when he does the NT1-A demos he does them in his PC room. So you have his battery backups humming. I understand that he perhaps uses them to get the levels right but once that is done I'd recommend going into that room that he goes into that has lots of echo to it and do the demo there. This way we hear the true silence or lack there of.

On 5/14/2020 11:21 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Yes, but he has a nice deep voice and he doesn’t state what post production processing he does to make it small enough for people to download. Either he has knocked off the highs or they just have got lost in .mp3 compression.

Regards,

Gena
On 14 May 2020, at 15:38, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Hamit,

Yes, but he has a nice deep voice and he doesn’t state what post production processing he does to make it small enough for people to download. Either he has knocked off the highs or they just have got lost in .mp3 compression.

Regards,

Gena
On 14 May 2020, at 15:38, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

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Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello,

Does anyone have written notes of the menu structure? I thought I had at least listed the steps to turning fantom power on. But I can’t find it.

Thanks,

On 14 May 2020, at 15:36, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:

Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andy,

I didn’t hear him say that. He said it was amazingly quiet. In context he was comparing different recorders. Further more he did not use a dynamic mic such as the Shure SM7B. In fact he used a mic that claims to be the quietest mic on the planet.. In addition, he did not state how much post production processing he did. Even converting into .mp3 would reduce the noise because this is how compression works by throwing out the bits of audio we don’t need.

Perhaps, I missed that quote.

Still an informative review.
On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Hamit Campos
 

Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

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Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Zoom H6 assessories

Hamit Campos
 

No Gena. I don’t but I’d like to look into it also just so as perhaps not get the pause button click in my audio. Or the click of the stop button.

On May 14, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:

Hello hamit,

Do you know how much easier the remote is in tactile terms?

I might just get that third party one. But typically, the sighted world think it is better because it has pretty lights.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 14:50, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi. Ah yes the axesories pack. No but I want to. If nothing but for that remote and the wind screen. I also would love to buy the EX H6 snap off. That's the snap off with the 2 extra XLRs. Note that if you wana use condencers into those you will need an external power source as this peace doesn't get phantum.

On 5/14/2020 9:39 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

I looked through the accessories available for the H6 and notice that there are a few things of interest and wondered. Has anyone purchased the official pack with a remote control or the third party remote control?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/JJC-SR-RCH6-Anti-Shake-Control-Recorder/dp/B06WD4FJPF

Andy did you know you could get a long extension cable for your mics. I also like the sound of the pixy mount.

Regards,
Gena

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Re: Zoom H6 assessories

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello hamit,

Do you know how much easier the remote is in tactile terms?

I might just get that third party one. But typically, the sighted world think it is better because it has pretty lights.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 14:50, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi. Ah yes the axesories pack. No but I want to. If nothing but for that remote and the wind screen. I also would love to buy the EX H6 snap off. That's the snap off with the 2 extra XLRs. Note that if you wana use condencers into those you will need an external power source as this peace doesn't get phantum.

On 5/14/2020 9:39 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

I looked through the accessories available for the H6 and notice that there are a few things of interest and wondered. Has anyone purchased the official pack with a remote control or the third party remote control?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/JJC-SR-RCH6-Anti-Shake-Control-Recorder/dp/B06WD4FJPF

Andy did you know you could get a long extension cable for your mics. I also like the sound of the pixy mount.

Regards,
Gena

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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Hamit Campos
 

Andy you would get an interesting version of the kind of recordings people make with the Ambeo mic. Or Rode's new NT-SF1. It would be indeed more truer 3D. As you now have back to front info as well. We'll deal with this kind of ambesonic audio later on another thread if you'd like because it's a bit different even the procesing. It is more like what I'm into though. But I wana do true 5.1 or if I had an F8N full 7.1. All though with the Rode plug in for a DAW you supposedly can take your ambesonic audio you got with your NTSF1 and even spread it all out to full 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos surround sound. I'm totally down for that.

On 5/14/2020 9:01 AM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi again Georgina.

they are on 6ft of good quality cable, Splitting in to a Y about 2 ft from the end.

These 2 microphones are the size of a rubber on a pencil, and held onto Gold plated Sure clips, that can individually change through a variety of degrees, with each turn, it's a steady solid movement, so you know what degree you are at .

I normally keep the cable under a flease, so I'm not tripping up on  these.

the Crockadyle grabs are quite sharp and grip onto your collors very snugly indeed.

I love these microphones and dying to buy another set,

no I'm no good at all at spending money on a websit, as I seem to get lost filling in my bank details.

I think I clicked on Contact Us, so you can describe what you are looking for.

I found them very helpfull in helping you out.   I tried the other week back and left a message of my rquirements, so they could make up a bundle and a Ref no, but they did not get back to me. Perhaps it's lock-down and this part of sales is currently closed.

I have an English friend who has some sight and he is going to get me a set after I send him a bank transfer for the item and postage from England to Scotland.

You'll not be disapointed with them.

The salesman I spoke to a year or so ago, stated that I'd also require an XLR adaptor as these microphones only have a single small minnyjack.

The very small wind screens are however, a pain and easilly lost on a windy day.  I'm going to buy a pack of small elastic bands and roll these over the screen to hold them on snugly.

As they don't use Phantom power you need a small battery pack, which takes a small pp9 battery.  You can purchase ths at the same time.

Incidentally, I was wondering what what kind of sound I'd get on my Zoom F8n if I purchased 2 sets and attached the second set on my colour at the back? 3d perhaps
perhaps?

Andy.





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Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:24 PM
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Hello Andy,

I just tried ordering those  mics. However, I couldn’t find information about international shipping. Nor how many microphones were in the package. i.e. Is this a pair of microphones as you would expect to get the binaural affect? Are there 2 mics on one Shure clip? How do you wear or carry them?

Thanks,

Gena
On 14 May 2020, at 01:10, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Casy.

It's:

https://www.microphones.com/microphone.cfm?urlid=BSM-9


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Hi what site do you get thees microphones from?

And about how much do they cost?



On 5/13/2020 4:37 PM, Andy via groups.Io wrote:
Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc. Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina. This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/> wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


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Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk><mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

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Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/><j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io <mailto:j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io>> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

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Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/><j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io <mailto:j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io>> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


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Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Zoom H6 assessories

Hamit Campos
 

Hi. Ah yes the axesories pack. No but I want to. If nothing but for that remote and the wind screen. I also would love to buy the EX H6 snap off. That's the snap off with the 2 extra XLRs. Note that if you wana use condencers into those you will need an external power source as this peace doesn't get phantum.

On 5/14/2020 9:39 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

I looked through the accessories available for the H6 and notice that there are a few things of interest and wondered. Has anyone purchased the official pack with a remote control or the third party remote control?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/JJC-SR-RCH6-Anti-Shake-Control-Recorder/dp/B06WD4FJPF

Andy did you know you could get a long extension cable for your mics. I also like the sound of the pixy mount.

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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Hamit Campos
 

Hi Andy. I'll have to take a looksies.But yes I once had Dain's E-mail. Yes he has them all and was going to share them with me but my internet sucks so hard that as each folder is a ful DVD in size it would take for ever to download. So the best thing would be for us to send him a 32 gig card and have him send the cards back to us. lol. Na but in all seriousness I'll look for Dain and we'll see if that is still his email. We should ask Rick though too because as far as I know he just took that site down but that doesn't mean he dumped all the files. As a side note the reason Dain was going to try and share the folders with me was because I said it would be better that way so I could go threw them all myself rather then me trying to remember the names of each pod cast and have him waist his time looking for them.

On 5/14/2020 9:31 AM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review.  Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time.  Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not  familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community  of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how  clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

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Zoom H6 assessories

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello All,

I looked through the accessories available for the H6 and notice that there are a few things of interest and wondered. Has anyone purchased the official pack with a remote control or the third party remote control?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/JJC-SR-RCH6-Anti-Shake-Control-Recorder/dp/B06WD4FJPF

Andy did you know you could get a long extension cable for your mics. I also like the sound of the pixy mount.

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