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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Andy
 

Hi again Georgina.

they are on 6ft of good quality cable, Splitting in to a Y about 2 ft from the end.

These 2 microphones are the size of a rubber on a pencil, and held onto Gold plated Sure clips, that can individually change through a variety of degrees, with each turn, it's a steady solid movement, so you know what degree you are at .

I normally keep the cable under a flease, so I'm not tripping up on these.

the Crockadyle grabs are quite sharp and grip onto your collors very snugly indeed.

I love these microphones and dying to buy another set,

no I'm no good at all at spending money on a websit, as I seem to get lost filling in my bank details.

I think I clicked on Contact Us, so you can describe what you are looking for.

I found them very helpfull in helping you out. I tried the other week back and left a message of my rquirements, so they could make up a bundle and a Ref no, but they did not get back to me. Perhaps it's lock-down and this part of sales is currently closed.

I have an English friend who has some sight and he is going to get me a set after I send him a bank transfer for the item and postage from England to Scotland.

You'll not be disapointed with them.

The salesman I spoke to a year or so ago, stated that I'd also require an XLR adaptor as these microphones only have a single small minnyjack.

The very small wind screens are however, a pain and easilly lost on a windy day. I'm going to buy a pack of small elastic bands and roll these over the screen to hold them on snugly.

As they don't use Phantom power you need a small battery pack, which takes a small pp9 battery. You can purchase ths at the same time.

Incidentally, I was wondering what what kind of sound I'd get on my Zoom F8n if I purchased 2 sets and attached the second set on my colour at the back? 3d perhaps
perhaps?

Andy.

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Hello Andy,

I just tried ordering those mics. However, I couldn’t find information about international shipping. Nor how many microphones were in the package. i.e. Is this a pair of microphones as you would expect to get the binaural affect? Are there 2 mics on one Shure clip? How do you wear or carry them?

Thanks,

Gena
On 14 May 2020, at 01:10, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Casy.

It's:

https://www.microphones.com/microphone.cfm?urlid=BSM-9


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Hi what site do you get thees microphones from?

And about how much do they cost?



On 5/13/2020 4:37 PM, Andy via groups.Io wrote:
Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc. Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina. This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/> wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


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Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk><mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/><j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io <mailto:j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io>> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

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Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/><j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io <mailto:j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io>> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


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Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Hamit Campos
 

Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

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Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andy,

I just tried ordering those mics. However, I couldn’t find information about international shipping. Nor how many microphones were in the package. i.e. Is this a pair of microphones as you would expect to get the binaural affect? Are there 2 mics on one Shure clip? How do you wear or carry them?

Thanks,

Gena
On 14 May 2020, at 01:10, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Casy.

It's:

https://www.microphones.com/microphone.cfm?urlid=BSM-9


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Hi what site do you get thees microphones from?

And about how much do they cost?



On 5/13/2020 4:37 PM, Andy via groups.Io wrote:
Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc. Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina. This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/> wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk><mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/><j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io <mailto:j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io>> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io> <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/><j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io <mailto:j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io>> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io> <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <http://groups.io/><meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andy,

Why would you need to buy so many pairs? Do they break easily?

Thanks,

On 13 May 2020, at 22:37, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc. Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina. This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andy and Hamit,

Both of you reference someone called Neil, is this the guy from the young ones? LOL!

All electronic devices make a noise but typically not in our hearing range. However, amplifiers when cranked up do. If you read reviews of the Zoom H6 you are likely to observe a mown about the pre-amps. You can definitely hear it on your bird recording. This is where if you used a condenser mic you would not have to crank up the gain hence cut down the amount of hiss. To use the equipment you have is to record in wav then remove the hiss via a computer.

Who is this Neil?

Gena

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>>
To: <all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Andy
 

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

know ----- Original Message -----
From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Andy
 

Hi Georgena, the very ones, About £100 and you can also get a nice wee power pack to powering up the set.

Get a pair, You will not regret it, then record street sounds in??? New York City - Wonderful!

Andy.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

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Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Andy
 

Hi John.

Why not give it a go my old friend.

As soon as this Lock down is over, I intend doing just that, Perhaps you'd consider joining me.

Though this time, I'll not use the wonderful Olympus DS50 withthe BSm microphones, but rather, the BSM set attached to my Zoom F8n.

We could arrange to meet at Glasgow Central Stn.

Here is the walk I've now done at leaset half a dozen times. I bet you can follow this in your head John, because you needed to know the city, given your job!
.

After getting the ferry across from Kilcreggan to Gouroch, I get the express to Glasgow Central Stn.

I ask for sighted assistance when alighting from the train from Scotrail staff to walk me out to Gavins St.

I turn left , then left again and walk down to the Highlanders Umbrela on Argyle Street.

I walk along to the crossing at Jamaca St, cross the crossing to the other side and walk down to Richard Sounds and to Kenny's Mucic next door.

I can usually get bits and bobs in these shops.

Then I'd go back up Jamaca street and cross Argyle St agian and walk right up Buchanan street to the Apple store and onto Northface for something for walking the hills, like a new fleese.

Here is the interesting bit, continue to Walk up Buchanan St and glide over to the right side and look for Greggs.

Buy 2 of their lovely Vegan sausage rolls and cut through the path to Dows Bar, just at Queen St station and have a couple of ice Cold Beers .

Normally I'd cross the road into Queen St Stn and get a train to Helensburgh.

Go into the Station Bar for another beer, then get the bus to Kilcreggan and a 2 mile walk up the hill to my home.

Now John , that is indeed a really grand day out and there is nothing Truer than the statement that Glasgow really is the Friendly City, for as you know, the people in the city are just fantastic and you don't even kneed to ask for assistance, it's just there all the time in 3D friendlyness.

Only one thing John, I'd rather have a lovely day rather than pissing rain, which is often the case unfortunately.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:59 PM
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I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
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Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Hamit Campos
 

Oh crap! Wow yeah never knew much about the mailing list. I was mainly talking about the podcast. Hell there were even some hot chicks on there. Carrie Schafer of Southern California. Dam she sounded hot. Too bad she only did 2 podcasts. Her house 1 when Larry had everyone do the space casts. Remember? Than the Victor reader 1. Too bad she didn't continue. Her aproche to the Victor podcast was a bit like Michael Lang. Ah dam too bad he's gone. He'd come in verry handy on this hear list. But in any case. Yeah so when Rick memorialized the podcast you'd better believe I grabbed the 2 Carrie ones chop chop right streight away. Also lots of Neal's old reviews. Even the 3 part 1 of the origenal Zoom H4. He too uses binaurald.

On 5/13/2020 7:23 PM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi again Hamit.

Oh boy I remember it so well.

When Larry ran away for whatever reason, poor rick  tried to take over and made a mess of things, though I really admire his approach.  As you may remember he took on a Consultive rather than a leader / management role and who whole list, lost focus and sparted arguing amongst themselves.

Rick gradually lost his self confidense and the members simply tore him apart.

At that stage I put myself forward, as a co ordinator,
but the main man who took over was a Genious 11 year old, who didn't have a clue about dealing with adults.  I suppose that is why the list owner took me onas a
coordinator me to support the kid!
I'm no genious, I simply could not keep up the supporting role as the boy geniouse was years ahead of me.

sadelly I left the list and shortly afterwords, the list folded. I feel so sorry for Rick who tried to give the power to the members rather than lead them.  I also feel guilty for not supporting this 11 year old kid  as he really was a genious and if only he was a little older and I trusted him, the list could still be there.  For it really was a fantastic list and nothing has since ever attempted to copy it!

I've since clicked into Ricks site which is called  the blind geek Zone, but it was far too late for the Blind cool tec comunity  who had shortly afterwords , had committed suiside!

 This is why I'd love the All Audio ist to expand and take on that vacant role, but this will never happen as who would look after the website and all its messages as well as maintain a good archive?

Andy for the good old times.
Worth thinking back and considering What if?



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Oh no Andy. I love binaural audio. Hell 1 of my fave BCT casts was when Hope and Megan took the APH toor. Hope's mics made the whole thing feel real. I'm just saying they lack the bigness of studio condencers. But yes I love that 3D almost surround sound like effect. Larry's podcasts were cool too. Yeah too bad Larry killed BCT. Rick Harmon took up the mantle for a bit and memorialized it as it were for a while but people rightly or rongly stopped donating thus Rick couldn't keep the page up. Dain Trethowen has all the BCT casts. How he got them me no know. But he does have them. I don't know if he plans to do like Rick at some point or not though. Ah it's just too bad. Neal did lots of reviews there too.

On 5/13/2020 5:37 PM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc. Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina. This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:17 PM
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Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



for -----


Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73







Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73







Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73






Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Andy
 

----- Original Message -----


From: "Casey" <cwollner@wi.rr.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hi what site do you get thees microphones from?

And about how much do they cost?



On 5/13/2020 4:37 PM, Andy via groups.Io wrote:
Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc. Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina. This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



for -----


Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73







Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73







Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73






Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73






Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73



Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73








--
Casey



Re: Microphones for Zoom

Casey
 

Hi what site do you get thees microphones from?

And about how much do they cost?

On 5/13/2020 4:37 PM, Andy via groups.Io wrote:
Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual     vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc.  Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina.  This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone  or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording  will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing  a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set  of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds.  Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that,  to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones?  There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has  a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am.  Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection  of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my  recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy.  -  What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps  I should look at the NT4.  So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
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Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song  sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

 From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
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Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up.  I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor.  Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings.  If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Andy
 

Hi again Hamit.

Oh boy I remember it so well.

When Larry ran away for whatever reason, poor rick tried to take over and made a mess of things, though I really admire his approach. As you may remember he took on a Consultive rather than a leader / management role and who whole list, lost focus and sparted arguing amongst themselves.

Rick gradually lost his self confidense and the members simply tore him apart.

At that stage I put myself forward, as a co ordinator,
but the main man who took over was a Genious 11 year old, who didn't have a clue about dealing with adults. I suppose that is why the list owner took me onas a
coordinator me to support the kid!
I'm no genious, I simply could not keep up the supporting role as the boy geniouse was years ahead of me.

sadelly I left the list and shortly afterwords, the list folded. I feel so sorry for Rick who tried to give the power to the members rather than lead them. I also feel guilty for not supporting this 11 year old kid as he really was a genious and if only he was a little older and I trusted him, the list could still be there. For it really was a fantastic list and nothing has since ever attempted to copy it!

I've since clicked into Ricks site which is called the blind geek Zone, but it was far too late for the Blind cool tec comunity who had shortly afterwords , had committed suiside!

This is why I'd love the All Audio ist to expand and take on that vacant role, but this will never happen as who would look after the website and all its messages as well as maintain a good archive?

Andy for the good old times.
Worth thinking back and considering What if?

----- Original Message -----
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To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Oh no Andy. I love binaural audio. Hell 1 of my fave BCT casts was when Hope and Megan took the APH toor. Hope's mics made the whole thing feel real. I'm just saying they lack the bigness of studio condencers. But yes I love that 3D almost surround sound like effect. Larry's podcasts were cool too. Yeah too bad Larry killed BCT. Rick Harmon took up the mantle for a bit and memorialized it as it were for a while but people rightly or rongly stopped donating thus Rick couldn't keep the page up. Dain Trethowen has all the BCT casts. How he got them me no know. But he does have them. I don't know if he plans to do like Rick at some point or not though. Ah it's just too bad. Neal did lots of reviews there too.

On 5/13/2020 5:37 PM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc. Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina. This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

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To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Hamit Campos
 

Oh no Andy. I love binaural audio. Hell 1 of my fave BCT casts was when Hope and Megan took the APH toor. Hope's mics made the whole thing feel real. I'm just saying they lack the bigness of studio condencers. But yes I love that 3D almost surround sound like effect. Larry's podcasts were cool too. Yeah too bad Larry killed BCT. Rick Harmon took up the mantle for a bit and memorialized it as it were for a while but people rightly or rongly stopped donating thus Rick couldn't keep the page up. Dain Trethowen has all the BCT casts. How he got them me no know. But he does have them. I don't know if he plans to do like Rick at some point or not though. Ah it's just too bad. Neal did lots of reviews there too.

On 5/13/2020 5:37 PM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual     vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc.  Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina.  This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone  or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording  will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing  a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set  of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds.  Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that,  to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones?  There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has  a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am.  Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection  of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my  recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy.  -  What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps  I should look at the NT4.  So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



for -----


Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song  sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

 From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up.  I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor.  Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings.  If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Andy
 

Hi Hamit and list.

Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.

I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural microphones on the market today.
.

I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!

So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.

Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.

Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:

Hi again Georgina.

You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your trust in me totally.

About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual vision, I made a podcast called Andy's farm.

This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.

Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours etc. Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!

I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.

Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know here in Scotland as a Small Holding.

I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.

Georgina. This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and Pauline and I lived a very special dream.

We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds, rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It was beutiful.
.

Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.

Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not get around to starting this.

So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on since.

The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.

The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable, giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more than £100.

It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.

So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement there for you.

Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the following site:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i

Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a £100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcampos@gmail.com>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



for -----


Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Hamit Campos
 

Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.

On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



for -----


Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






Gena

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Gena

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73







Gena

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73






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Re: Microphones for Zoom

John Gurd <j.gurd@...>
 

I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.

Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



for -----


Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73







Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73







Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73






Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73






Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73




Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73


Re: Microphones for Zoom

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello,

Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive.

https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html

Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.

Regards,

On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk <mailto:gena@gena-j.me.uk>>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






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Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?

Hamit Campos
 

Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Anders Holmberg
 

Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A

13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk>:

Hello Andy,

The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.

Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording.

Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character.

In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi again Georgina.

I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?

Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?

It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget all about other types of mics.

It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.

So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models though.

Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.


Very best wishes.

Andy.

Very best wishes.

Andy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello Andy,

If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.

However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.

It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.

Regards,





On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

Getting more confused as the day goes on.

The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,

I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.

Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a wide spread.

For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.


Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos

I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???

Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .

It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.

So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more consideration.

Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.



Very best wishes.

Andy.



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To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hello John,

Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?

There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.

Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.

PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉

John

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello John,

They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this:

https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations

Regards,


On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






Gena

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