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Re: Microphones for Zoom

Hamit Campos
 

Ah my favorite of the mics Neal Ewers has. Andy 1 thing to be aware with the NT1-A though it is a large diaphragm. Thus it's big and heavy. Gena you still here? What did you tell me like a pound or something? But yeah not discuraging. I want the factory stereo matched pair of NT1-A mics. It's been my fave ever since hearing it on Neal's Sound-devices 744-T recorder. Can't wait to hear what it sounds like on an F6. Or even the F8 if you get 1 Andy.

On 5/11/2020 4:50 PM, frank cuta wrote:
Your clip on microphones are actually very good mid range quality units.
As far as quality goes, any professional studio that you visit on either
coast will offer you a U87 or a 416 but you are not in a studio you are
outdoors. Your best choice for outside ambiance is the NT1a because of its
extremely low noise. You can get either a new or used one on ebay for a
fraction of the cost of a 416.


Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy via
groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:25 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are
the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as
to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat
windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option
within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was
extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the
device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence
to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.









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Re: recommendations for a new recorder?

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello,

Use a smart phone with a better mic.

Regards,
On 11 May 2020, at 21:47, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

Mainly I'm looking for podcast creation/lecture recordings. I'm very
out of touch with newer recorders so I don't know features to ask for
or which I really wouldn't need, what features are on modern
recorders?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 5/11/20, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com <mailto:hamitcampos@gmail.com>> wrote:
What would you like your new recorder to have or do? I don't know what
replaces the DS 50.

On 5/11/2020 11:24 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

My Olympus DS50 has given up the ghost. I am now in the market for a
new recorder and would appreciate recommendations.

Thanks.
Dave.




Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73


Re: Microphones for Zoom

frank cuta
 

Your clip on microphones are actually very good mid range quality units.
As far as quality goes, any professional studio that you visit on either
coast will offer you a U87 or a 416 but you are not in a studio you are
outdoors. Your best choice for outside ambiance is the NT1a because of its
extremely low noise. You can get either a new or used one on ebay for a
fraction of the cost of a 416.


Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy via
groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:25 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom


Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are
the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as
to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat
windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option
within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was
extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the
device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence
to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.









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Re: recommendations for a new recorder?

David Mehler
 

Hello,

Mainly I'm looking for podcast creation/lecture recordings. I'm very
out of touch with newer recorders so I don't know features to ask for
or which I really wouldn't need, what features are on modern
recorders?

Thanks.
Dave.

On 5/11/20, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:
What would you like your new recorder to have or do? I don't know what
replaces the DS 50.

On 5/11/2020 11:24 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

My Olympus DS50 has given up the ghost. I am now in the market for a
new recorder and would appreciate recommendations.

Thanks.
Dave.





Re: Microphones for Zoom

Hamit Campos
 

Hi Andy. Another thing to consider is do you want stereo? Cause you could for $400 get a pair of factory matched for Stereo SE Electronics SE-8 mics. Or maybe 2 shot guns again so you get stereo. You don't think the Snap off XY H6 mics will do?

On 5/11/2020 8:25 AM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






Re: recommendations for a new recorder?

Hamit Campos
 

What would you like your new recorder to have or do? I don't know what replaces the DS 50.

On 5/11/2020 11:24 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

My Olympus DS50 has given up the ghost. I am now in the market for a
new recorder and would appreciate recommendations.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: Screen-readers and Cleanfeed?

JM Casey
 

Hey
Thanks Joe. Two of the four of us in the group (me and the chairman/leader) just tested it and although If ind it a bit uncanny that it works..it works really well. Everything is displayed in a nice text log on the main screen, too. Very nice, and indeed, clean interface, but I still don't really understand how to change settings or if I'm seeing everything on screen. As I'm not leading the group though and won't be initiating the connections yet, I think that's probably ok. Using Chrome, indeed, and audio quality is fantastic. Thanks!
If anyone has any other thoughts, shoot 'em in here.

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Paton
Sent: May 11, 2020 3:34 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Screen-readers and Cleanfeed?

Hello,
I recall that the opus encoding is used, which is nice quality. DFon't have the technical specs though.
You'll need to use google chrome, as at this time there is no extention for alternate browsers.
Great audio quality.

good luck.
JP


Re: Screen-readers and Cleanfeed?

Joe Paton
 

Hello,
I recall that the opus encoding is used, which is nice quality. DFon't
have the technical specs though.
You'll need to use google chrome, as at this time there is no extention
for alternate browsers.
Great audio quality.

good luck.
JP


Screen-readers and Cleanfeed?

JM Casey
 

Hey folks. Is anyone using Cleanfeed with Chrome in order to coordinate/make
podcast recordings? I'm starting a podcast with some fellows and the one guy
with some experience in th is field is stronglyr ecommending we use
Cleanfeed. I've got an account set up but there doesn'ts eem to be much
documentation. I'm wondering if I'm missing something from the very
bare-bones-seeming interface. WI'm using Jaws 2018 and NVDA 2020.1. Anyone
have any thoughts, tips, recommendations, advice, cautions about this web
app and interface?


recommendations for a new recorder?

David Mehler
 

Hello,

My Olympus DS50 has given up the ghost. I am now in the market for a
new recorder and would appreciate recommendations.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: Microphones for Zoom

Georgina Joyce
 

Hello Andy,

It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.

Regards,




On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.






Gena

Call: M0EBP
DMR ID: 2346259
Loc: IO83PS
73


Microphones for Zoom

Andy
 

Hi all.

I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.

I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.

I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.

Can anyone please give me some advice.

Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.

I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.

Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.

Andy Logue from Scotland.


Re: What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Tom Kaufman
 

Doug and list: I did get the scheduling thing resolved! I figured out that
if you hit F8, this gives you a menu; one of the things I saw in that menu
was "schedule." So I went into there and saw something that said "internal
scheduler." So I saw it was uncheck; I checked it and solved that problem!
However, this "changing the volume" thing is touchy, for if I happen to be
recording something and try to change the volume of whatever's playing,
it'll somehow just throw me into something that stops the dammed recording!
I have heard from Raimersoft support, so maybe I can get him to help me
figure out how to avoid disrupting my recording!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug
Murray
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 8:28 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Tom

The last update to tappin really changed it.I am also totally lost.
I went back to the last version on another computer and al is well.
If I figure it out, I will let the group know.
Doug Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Kaufman
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 9:57 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Okay...I did find something that seems to be allowing me to schedule an
event! But they still have changed the way (and this is the "pro version)
control the volume! Used to be, Volume up was F9, while Volume down was F8;
now when I hit those keys, it seems to do something entirely different!
Just what it's doing, I don't know; what I do know is, if I do my control
down (as the help menu says to do) if I do it too many times, it'll kill my
recording! Why should this be? The thing is, there seems to be no rhyme or
reason why this should happen! To the best of my knowledge, I'm doing
nothing that I'm not supposed to do! Yet, if I'm not careful, if I want to
turn the volume down so I can do other things, I'll see it just minimize
itself and then...I'll notice that it is no longer recording; this just
shouldn't be happening!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2020 9:43 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

I have no problem with Tapin Radio Pro and Jaws 2020. I use it all the time.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 9:29 PM
To: tomcat53@comcast.net
Cc: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Hi,

I was having trouble a log time ago and dumped Tap-In-Radio. My problem was
that the program would not update everytime a new version came out.
So as a result I got rid of the program. I even payed for the registration
of the program.

I must say it was a good program while it lasted.

Original message:
Hello List: Do any of you on here still use Tapin Radio; and if so,
what in the world did they do to it! Seems like (as of the last
couple of updates) it has become very quirky! I just now scheduled
something as a test; it never came up! Also, I see that they've
screwed up how the volume control behaves; I find that if I am trying
to adjust the volume while recording, if I'm not careful, it'll throw
out
my recording! What's up with all of that?
Does anyone know what's going on?
Tom Kaufman


Re: What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Doug Murray
 

Tom

The last update to tappin really changed it.I am also totally lost.
I went back to the last version on another computer and al is well.
If I figure it out, I will let the group know.
Doug Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Kaufman
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 9:57 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Okay...I did find something that seems to be allowing me to schedule an event! But they still have changed the way (and this is the "pro version) control the volume! Used to be, Volume up was F9, while Volume down was F8; now when I hit those keys, it seems to do something entirely different!
Just what it's doing, I don't know; what I do know is, if I do my control down (as the help menu says to do) if I do it too many times, it'll kill my recording! Why should this be? The thing is, there seems to be no rhyme or reason why this should happen! To the best of my knowledge, I'm doing nothing that I'm not supposed to do! Yet, if I'm not careful, if I want to turn the volume down so I can do other things, I'll see it just minimize itself and then...I'll notice that it is no longer recording; this just shouldn't be happening!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2020 9:43 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

I have no problem with Tapin Radio Pro and Jaws 2020. I use it all the time.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 9:29 PM
To: tomcat53@comcast.net
Cc: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Hi,

I was having trouble a log time ago and dumped Tap-In-Radio. My problem was that the program would not update everytime a new version came out.
So as a result I got rid of the program. I even payed for the registration of the program.

I must say it was a good program while it lasted.

Original message:
Hello List: Do any of you on here still use Tapin Radio; and if so,
what in the world did they do to it! Seems like (as of the last
couple of updates) it has become very quirky! I just now scheduled
something as a test; it never came up! Also, I see that they've
screwed up how the volume control behaves; I find that if I am trying
to adjust the volume while recording, if I'm not careful, it'll throw
out
my recording! What's up with all of that?
Does anyone know what's going on?
Tom Kaufman


Re: What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Tom Kaufman
 

Okay...I did find something that seems to be allowing me to schedule an
event! But they still have changed the way (and this is the "pro version)
control the volume! Used to be, Volume up was F9, while Volume down was F8;
now when I hit those keys, it seems to do something entirely different!
Just what it's doing, I don't know; what I do know is, if I do my control
down (as the help menu says to do) if I do it too many times, it'll kill my
recording! Why should this be? The thing is, there seems to be no rhyme or
reason why this should happen! To the best of my knowledge, I'm doing
nothing that I'm not supposed to do! Yet, if I'm not careful, if I want to
turn the volume down so I can do other things, I'll see it just minimize
itself and then...I'll notice that it is no longer recording; this just
shouldn't be happening!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2020 9:43 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

I have no problem with Tapin Radio Pro and Jaws 2020. I use it all the time.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 9:29 PM
To: tomcat53@comcast.net
Cc: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Hi,

I was having trouble a log time ago and dumped Tap-In-Radio. My problem was
that the program would not update everytime a new version came out.
So as a result I got rid of the program. I even payed for the registration
of the program.

I must say it was a good program while it lasted.

Original message:
Hello List: Do any of you on here still use Tapin Radio; and if so,
what in the world did they do to it! Seems like (as of the last
couple of updates) it has become very quirky! I just now scheduled
something as a test; it never came up! Also, I see that they've
screwed up how the volume control behaves; I find that if I am trying
to adjust the volume while recording, if I'm not careful, it'll throw out
my recording! What's up with all of that?
Does anyone know what's going on?
Tom Kaufman


Re: What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Merv Keck <blind5sparrow@...>
 

I have no problem with Tapin Radio Pro and Jaws 2020. I use it all the time.
Merv

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 9:29 PM
To: tomcat53@comcast.net
Cc: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Hi,

I was having trouble a log time ago and dumped Tap-In-Radio. My problem was that the program would not update everytime a new version came out.
So as a result I got rid of the program. I even payed for the registration of the program.

I must say it was a good program while it lasted.

Original message:
Hello List: Do any of you on here still use Tapin Radio; and if so,
what in the world did they do to it! Seems like (as of the last
couple of updates) it has become very quirky! I just now scheduled
something as a test; it never came up! Also, I see that they've
screwed up how the volume control behaves; I find that if I am trying
to adjust the volume while recording, if I'm not careful, it'll throw out my recording! What's up with all of that?
Does anyone know what's going on?
Tom Kaufman


Re: What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Peter Russillo
 

Hi, I still use Tapin' Radio sometimes.  The question is:  what other accessible radio tuning program is there that works with Windows 10?  Thanks.


Peter

On 5/1/2020 9:29 PM, Milton Ota wrote:
Hi,

I was having trouble a log time ago and dumped Tap-In-Radio. My problem was that the program would not update everytime a new version came out. So as a result I got rid of the program. I even payed for the registration of the program.

I must say it was a good program while it lasted.

Original message:
Hello List:  Do any of you on here still use Tapin Radio; and if so, what in
the world did they do to it!  Seems like (as of the last couple of updates)
it has become very quirky!  I just now scheduled something as a test; it
never came up!  Also, I see that they've screwed up how the volume control
behaves; I find that if I am trying to adjust the volume while recording, if
I'm not careful, it'll throw out my recording!  What's up with all of that?
Does anyone know what's going on?
Tom Kaufman


Re: What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Milton Ota <mota1252@...>
 

Hi,

I was having trouble a log time ago and dumped Tap-In-Radio. My problem was that the program would not update everytime a new version came out. So as a result I got rid of the program. I even payed for the registration of the program.

I must say it was a good program while it lasted.

Original message:

Hello List: Do any of you on here still use Tapin Radio; and if so, what in
the world did they do to it! Seems like (as of the last couple of updates)
it has become very quirky! I just now scheduled something as a test; it
never came up! Also, I see that they've screwed up how the volume control
behaves; I find that if I am trying to adjust the volume while recording, if
I'm not careful, it'll throw out my recording! What's up with all of that?
Does anyone know what's going on?
Tom Kaufman


What Did They Do To Tapin Radio?

Tom Kaufman
 

Hello List: Do any of you on here still use Tapin Radio; and if so, what in
the world did they do to it! Seems like (as of the last couple of updates)
it has become very quirky! I just now scheduled something as a test; it
never came up! Also, I see that they've screwed up how the volume control
behaves; I find that if I am trying to adjust the volume while recording, if
I'm not careful, it'll throw out my recording! What's up with all of that?
Does anyone know what's going on?

Tom Kaufman


Re: Jfw, scripts, Goldwave6, and loud noise in audio

Steve Jacobson
 

Dave,

To my ears, this sounds like a monaural sound so it likely is the same on both channels, so using one channel or the other probably won't make much difference. Second, this noise seems to me to be pretty broad band, or at least it likely is strongest in the same frequency range that contains the information that makes speech intelligible. I don't think filtering by frequency is going to be very effective.

Is this noise always there, does it repeat often, or is it a one-time sound? Replacing the noise with silence might be the best bet, although deleting the noise might also work unless it affects the rhythm of the rest of what is being recorded. If the sound is tinny, as you described it, it would seem you are not limiting the effects you are trying to the duration of the noise itself. This noise is so loud that I don't think you will be able to apply anything to the entire recording to get rid of it. Still, if you can describe whether this sound is constant, repeats often, or just happens a few times, that might influence what one might do.

Best regards,

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Mehler
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 1:57 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Jfw, scripts, Goldwave6, and loud noise in audio

Hello,

It is kind of a personal nature.

What I can do is provide a sample of the noise that resides in the
file. I've tried everything I can to filter it out, drop the volume,
tried some band pass/stop, low and high pass, but i'm either not doing
it right, not the right settings, but I have reduced it, but in doing
so the underlying audio the stuff I'm trying to hear gets really tinny
sounding. Part of it is I did not make this and I think the person who
did it did not do well with it, they encoded at 22050KHZ I think but
it's slow, so that the full file is over 27 hours long, changing the
rate to 44100 makes it intelligible and drops the file length to just
over 13 hours.

Here's the link to the interference pattern I'm trying to eliminate.
Again I can use Goldwave, reaper, or audacity, if anyone has
suggestions i'm open to them.

https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fr8qba57lib1z0db%2Fnoise.wav%3Fdl%3D0&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C7f3ae92f41e5416ba33608d7ed385363%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637238698476286289&amp;sdata=%2Bxxt3cpCpHBzk55R9rK9lLRmdBwB4hHYZkDd1edKZg8%3D&amp;reserved=0

Thanks.
Dave.


On 4/30/20, Darran Ross via groups.io
<darran.ross=talktalk.net@groups.io> wrote:
Dave, if its nothing of a personal nature, you may want to share a sample
and some folks on the list might have a play as well?





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