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Re: VIZIO TV accessibility with built-in speech.

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

Just a guess but I think Talk Back in this instance is just a description, the same as saying Voice Feedback.
Your attitude to the Television is much the same as mine was when I bought my first Samsung set in 2011 for the small sum of $200.
I still have that 19 inch set which will be moved into the Den at a later time.
There’s nothing special about this Television apart from the fact that it still works after 7 years without a hitch.
The Television has no special connectivity, has 1 HDMI socket, a Digital out and a whole heap of RCA sockets that are to do with video in and video out though I’ve never bothered about them having no need.
I like the fact that I can turn on the Television and just switch to whatever channel I fancy watching so if the Television did come with some sort of extra accessibility built-in? Well yes that would have ben a huge boom.
Actually the Television did come with an accessibility function I hadn’t counted on, Braille lettering next to certain controls on the remote - c for channel up/down, v for volume up/down and p for the power button. -
The Sony Android offering I have in my lounge is a real boom but not for everyone.
I have to accept that I’m a power tech user and that’s probably why I really like the Sony as - running the Android operating system - all sorts of possibilities are at my fingertips -.
I do appreciate that people wouldn’t be too interested in an Android Television so that brings us back to your set and my Samsung 2011 19-inch Television.

On 7 May 2019, at 4:23 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

I wonder, why then, they could use "talk back," unless they bought a license to use it, or have some kind of other rights to use it or call their access "talk back." :) Well, as soon as I get a sighted person in here I'll definitely be checking that out. I won the TV in a raffle, so didn't decide on model number or access potential, that is just a bonus.

I'll definitely keep you all posted and I definitely appreciate you all helping me get out of the darkness with regard to this TV and what speakers, etc. to use.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/6/2019 10:37 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
I’ve been looking at the manual again.
Unfortunately the specifications don’t say what OS the TV is running and there is no mention of Android so - as it appears to me - the Television isn’t an Android set so therefore - and the manual sort of confirms this - the Talk Back access you have is only for adjustments of settings and not much else if anything at all so therefore Talk Back is just a name given to the feature it seems rather than actually being the Android Talk Back Screen Reader App itself as you can install or see on Android devices.
It is exciting enough to be able to adjust settings and whether your TV is Android or not may not bother you and fair enough, after all you do buy a Television for the audio and sound I would imagine.
The Talk Back only seems to be in English and that wouldn’t be the case if the Television was Android as you would be able to use or install Talkback to your own language preference.
Some other notes I made.
The Television talks about its “Smart Cast” capabilities which sound nice but don’t be at all surprised if you can’t access these via speech.
There is no mention of DLNA compatibility, Google Cast compatibility etc in the manual that I can find so I would like to assume that these functions are part of your Smart Television and I sincerely hop that my assumption is right.
Good luck with all of that and keep us informed as to how you’re going, what system you end up connecting etc.


On 6 May 2019, at 10:30 pm, Matthew Chao via Groups.Io <mattchao=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

So, you have an Android SmartTv. Should be relatively easy once you get TalkBack going. Good luck.--Matt, N1IBB.



On 5/6/2019 1:48 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Now I have read the manual and there is a way to make the RCA output from the TV, variable, just a matter of turning it on from the menus. Also, there is a way to turn on speech in the accessibility menu, and according to the manual all of it will then speak. That is quite exciting, so what I need to know is, are there any others of the Vizio TV on this list who have turned on the speech and just using what is available from within the unit, able to manage all menus and options? What they always forget is that there is no way that someone without sight can get to the menu and turn on the speech, and I hear it is "talk back," so I wonder how it sounds. I just have to get a sighted person over here and to play with my remote and see. :)
So, thanks all who have chimed in and helped me, explaining much and perusing the manual, etc.
Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
On 5/4/2019 10:28 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Hi! Last week about this time I won a 50 inch 4K ultra Vizio smart TV, and need some speakers. We don't need surround sound just simple and sounding good. I think the back of the TV has RCA jacks for audio, but the output is not variable from them so I suppose there should be a remote which can be then handled by the main remote for volume from the cable box. We have Spectrum out here, so the cable box now talks. So please, suggest what you recommend I buy. My wife is getting impatient, :) (sort of) but we wish something decent sounding which I know you guys understand. :)

THANKS and please believe me, I sort of feel in a void as to what to look for, and where to find it. Amazon is good for us.

Re: Soundbars

Tom Kaufman
 

I've entertained the idea of getting a soundbar for the TV in my living room; problem is that (at least I think) since I have a satellite dish receiver hooked to that TV, I'd need a way to plug it into two different things! Here's the thing: I get my local programming via the outside antenna. But for the other stuff, there's where the satellite receiver comes in! So if I were to get a soundbar, how would that work out...or would that even matter?
Keep in mind that I know next to nothing about these soundbars and how the operate!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:46 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Sooundbars

I’m glad we’re talking about this actually as I’m planning on a Soundbar purchase for later this year.
I took the opportunity of looking up “Best Soundbars of 2019” and was most interested to see that the Denon Heosbar rates very highly it seems.
I do have some Heos products already - the Denon AVR-X3400H, Heos 7 and Heos 1 - so the addition of the Heosbar makes perfect sense as I already have the infra structure in place to drive the equipment.


On 6 May 2019, at 1:00 pm, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote:

h just so ya know HDMI 1 is the 1 we are interested in here. That's the 1 that has ARC. But and I forget now the other name of something else Visio TVs will want you to turn on as well. We delt with this because mom got a few mother's days ago a smart TV.
On 5/5/2019 10:05 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

Hi, and thanks for looking. I can not find any earphone output on the front surface of the set, so if it is there, it is well hidden. The only

HDMI connectors I find are on the back, and the HDMI
are in a line from bottom to top number 1 2 and 3.
take care and thanks again for all the help.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 5:07 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The optical digital output socket should be on the rear of your set.
It seems there’s an analogue 3.5MM socket on the front of the set for headphones.
The manual is a little confusing so I can’t say for sure what other sockets are on the rear of the Television apart fro at least 1 hDMI input - also on the front -, an LAN port and the power socket.


On 6 May 2019, at 9:49 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

Hi, I gave you not quite the correct model.

D50X-G9

thanks Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 1:54 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The Optical Digital connector looks different from other connectors.
Its a square connector and in some cases may be covered by a flap which opens when an optical connector itself is inserted, much like the old car cassette players we used opened when a cassette was pushed against the flap.
The Optical out jack could also possibly take the form of a 3.5MM minijack, this arrangement is used to provide both analogue and digital audio out form the same jack.


On 6 May 2019, at 6:49 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

I found the light on the back of the TV close to the other connectors, is that the optical digital connector for audio? This is a technology I am totally not familiar with, so I wish to learn! I expect that in some ways it is kind of like Bluetooth? just speculating as to how it connects to speakers or is it somewhat like an infrared connection to remotes where any interaction with the lights . . .

anyway, thanks guys for your patience with me in all this.


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 8:37 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
So there we are, that’s the first I’ve ever heard of a TV having a HDMI out and obviously some do however the more common standard for audio is an optical out and at least one HDMI input, I’m willing to bet that the tV we’re discussing has at least and possibly more.
So the idea being that the TV is connected for audio purposes to the Soundbar or speaker system with an Optical Digital cable.
That way - if required - the soundbar/speakers can get extra effects that Digital TV now offers.


On 6 May 2019, at 1:32 am, Howard Traxler <howard@...> wrote:

We have a Sony TV that we got a little over three years ago. The installers gave me an HDMI cable (looks home made) with RCA male jacks on the other end. I plug them into my stereo auxilary inputs and, of course, have window-rattling speakers on the other end.. The three RCA females on the TV are for input only. Other ways of input are through HDMI connections.


<HT>

On 5/4/2019 8:41 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Well this is suppose to be a top-of-the-line Vizio 4k 50-inch ultra smart TV, so it's connection should be top-of-the-line and conform to state-of-the-art.)

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/4/2019 4:48 PM, Matthew Chas via Groups.Io wrote:
I have a Sony soundbar that uses digital/audio or Toslink cable. That's where most TVs and soundbars are heading these days.--Matt, N1IBB.



On 5/4/2019 6:06 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Oh and as a footnote.
Most Soundbars as far as I know take a digital audio feed from your Televisions so your Television will more than likely have at least a digital audio output.


On 5 May 2019, at 7:36 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

thanks, these "sound bars," as such, the name confuses me, is it confined to a small area like a bar meaning length of the bar, or would you define it? Seems the TV has analog outputs, but they are RCA and don't change with the TV volume, other wise it'd be easy. I don't know if the TV has blue tooth or not. :) thanks

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/4/2019 11:01 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The first thing you will need to do is to work out whether the TV has a digital or analogue out.
Then perhaps go looking for a Soundbar.
These are quite cheap now and no, we???re not talking about surround sound necessarily unless you really want that.
I???ve seen 2.1 channel soundboards about the place which work quite well.
The other option might be getting something like a Key Egg system which is effectively a small bookshelf system so you could put each speaker on either side of the television.


On 5 May 2019, at 3:28 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

Hi! Last week about this time I won a 50 inch 4K ultra Vizio smart TV, and need some speakers. We don't need surround sound just simple and sounding good. I think the back of the TV has RCA jacks for audio, but the output is not variable from them so I suppose there should be a remote which can be then handled by the main remote for volume from the cable box. We have Spectrum out here, so the cable box now talks. So please, suggest what you recommend I buy. My wife is getting impatient, :) (sort of) but we wish something decent sounding which I know you guys understand. :)

THANKS and please believe me, I sort of feel in a void as to what to look for, and where to find it. Amazon is good for us.

--


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA





Re: Soundbars

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

There wouldn’t be a huge problem.
You would connect your Television to one of the inputs of your Soundbar and connect your Satellite box to another.
In the case of the Denon Heosbar you have 4 HDMI inputs to choose from and your own Televison may have more than one input but not all do so you will have to do a little research before you buy.

On 7 May 2019, at 7:08 am, Tom Kaufman <tomcat53@...> wrote:

I've entertained the idea of getting a soundbar for the TV in my living room; problem is that (at least I think) since I have a satellite dish receiver hooked to that TV, I'd need a way to plug it into two different things! Here's the thing: I get my local programming via the outside antenna. But for the other stuff, there's where the satellite receiver comes in! So if I were to get a soundbar, how would that work out...or would that even matter?
Keep in mind that I know next to nothing about these soundbars and how the operate!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:46 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Sooundbars

I’m glad we’re talking about this actually as I’m planning on a Soundbar purchase for later this year.
I took the opportunity of looking up “Best Soundbars of 2019” and was most interested to see that the Denon Heosbar rates very highly it seems.
I do have some Heos products already - the Denon AVR-X3400H, Heos 7 and Heos 1 - so the addition of the Heosbar makes perfect sense as I already have the infra structure in place to drive the equipment.


On 6 May 2019, at 1:00 pm, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote:

h just so ya know HDMI 1 is the 1 we are interested in here. That's the 1 that has ARC. But and I forget now the other name of something else Visio TVs will want you to turn on as well. We delt with this because mom got a few mother's days ago a smart TV.
On 5/5/2019 10:05 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

Hi, and thanks for looking. I can not find any earphone output on the front surface of the set, so if it is there, it is well hidden. The only

HDMI connectors I find are on the back, and the HDMI
are in a line from bottom to top number 1 2 and 3.
take care and thanks again for all the help.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 5:07 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The optical digital output socket should be on the rear of your set.
It seems there’s an analogue 3.5MM socket on the front of the set for headphones.
The manual is a little confusing so I can’t say for sure what other sockets are on the rear of the Television apart fro at least 1 hDMI input - also on the front -, an LAN port and the power socket.


On 6 May 2019, at 9:49 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

Hi, I gave you not quite the correct model.

D50X-G9

thanks Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 1:54 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The Optical Digital connector looks different from other connectors.
Its a square connector and in some cases may be covered by a flap which opens when an optical connector itself is inserted, much like the old car cassette players we used opened when a cassette was pushed against the flap.
The Optical out jack could also possibly take the form of a 3.5MM minijack, this arrangement is used to provide both analogue and digital audio out form the same jack.


On 6 May 2019, at 6:49 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

I found the light on the back of the TV close to the other connectors, is that the optical digital connector for audio? This is a technology I am totally not familiar with, so I wish to learn! I expect that in some ways it is kind of like Bluetooth? just speculating as to how it connects to speakers or is it somewhat like an infrared connection to remotes where any interaction with the lights . . .

anyway, thanks guys for your patience with me in all this.


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 8:37 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
So there we are, that’s the first I’ve ever heard of a TV having a HDMI out and obviously some do however the more common standard for audio is an optical out and at least one HDMI input, I’m willing to bet that the tV we’re discussing has at least and possibly more.
So the idea being that the TV is connected for audio purposes to the Soundbar or speaker system with an Optical Digital cable.
That way - if required - the soundbar/speakers can get extra effects that Digital TV now offers.


On 6 May 2019, at 1:32 am, Howard Traxler <howard@...> wrote:

We have a Sony TV that we got a little over three years ago. The installers gave me an HDMI cable (looks home made) with RCA male jacks on the other end. I plug them into my stereo auxilary inputs and, of course, have window-rattling speakers on the other end.. The three RCA females on the TV are for input only. Other ways of input are through HDMI connections.


<HT>

On 5/4/2019 8:41 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Well this is suppose to be a top-of-the-line Vizio 4k 50-inch ultra smart TV, so it's connection should be top-of-the-line and conform to state-of-the-art.)

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/4/2019 4:48 PM, Matthew Chas via Groups.Io wrote:
I have a Sony soundbar that uses digital/audio or Toslink cable. That's where most TVs and soundbars are heading these days.--Matt, N1IBB.



On 5/4/2019 6:06 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Oh and as a footnote.
Most Soundbars as far as I know take a digital audio feed from your Televisions so your Television will more than likely have at least a digital audio output.


On 5 May 2019, at 7:36 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

thanks, these "sound bars," as such, the name confuses me, is it confined to a small area like a bar meaning length of the bar, or would you define it? Seems the TV has analog outputs, but they are RCA and don't change with the TV volume, other wise it'd be easy. I don't know if the TV has blue tooth or not. :) thanks

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/4/2019 11:01 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The first thing you will need to do is to work out whether the TV has a digital or analogue out.
Then perhaps go looking for a Soundbar.
These are quite cheap now and no, we???re not talking about surround sound necessarily unless you really want that.
I???ve seen 2.1 channel soundboards about the place which work quite well.
The other option might be getting something like a Key Egg system which is effectively a small bookshelf system so you could put each speaker on either side of the television.


On 5 May 2019, at 3:28 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

Hi! Last week about this time I won a 50 inch 4K ultra Vizio smart TV, and need some speakers. We don't need surround sound just simple and sounding good. I think the back of the TV has RCA jacks for audio, but the output is not variable from them so I suppose there should be a remote which can be then handled by the main remote for volume from the cable box. We have Spectrum out here, so the cable box now talks. So please, suggest what you recommend I buy. My wife is getting impatient, :) (sort of) but we wish something decent sounding which I know you guys understand. :)

THANKS and please believe me, I sort of feel in a void as to what to look for, and where to find it. Amazon is good for us.

--


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA











Re: Soundbars

Tom Kaufman
 

So if I really wanted to, I could turn on the satellite dish and listen through the soundbar without the television even being turned on! That's sort of how things are back here in my cave; I have an older analog set back here; the television is hooked through my stereo system as it has something called TV Sound. But I also have the satellite receiver that is back here hooked to the stereo! So sounds like it'd be somewhat the same sort of deal!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 6:06 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Soundbars

There wouldn’t be a huge problem.
You would connect your Television to one of the inputs of your Soundbar and connect your Satellite box to another.
In the case of the Denon Heosbar you have 4 HDMI inputs to choose from and your own Televison may have more than one input but not all do so you will have to do a little research before you buy.


On 7 May 2019, at 7:08 am, Tom Kaufman <tomcat53@...> wrote:

I've entertained the idea of getting a soundbar for the TV in my living room; problem is that (at least I think) since I have a satellite dish receiver hooked to that TV, I'd need a way to plug it into two different things! Here's the thing: I get my local programming via the outside antenna. But for the other stuff, there's where the satellite receiver comes in! So if I were to get a soundbar, how would that work out...or would that even matter?
Keep in mind that I know next to nothing about these soundbars and how the operate!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:46 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Sooundbars

I’m glad we’re talking about this actually as I’m planning on a Soundbar purchase for later this year.
I took the opportunity of looking up “Best Soundbars of 2019” and was most interested to see that the Denon Heosbar rates very highly it seems.
I do have some Heos products already - the Denon AVR-X3400H, Heos 7 and Heos 1 - so the addition of the Heosbar makes perfect sense as I already have the infra structure in place to drive the equipment.


On 6 May 2019, at 1:00 pm, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote:

h just so ya know HDMI 1 is the 1 we are interested in here. That's the 1 that has ARC. But and I forget now the other name of something else Visio TVs will want you to turn on as well. We delt with this because mom got a few mother's days ago a smart TV.
On 5/5/2019 10:05 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

Hi, and thanks for looking. I can not find any earphone output on the front surface of the set, so if it is there, it is well hidden. The only

HDMI connectors I find are on the back, and the HDMI
are in a line from bottom to top number 1 2 and 3.
take care and thanks again for all the help.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 5:07 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The optical digital output socket should be on the rear of your set.
It seems there’s an analogue 3.5MM socket on the front of the set for headphones.
The manual is a little confusing so I can’t say for sure what other sockets are on the rear of the Television apart fro at least 1 hDMI input - also on the front -, an LAN port and the power socket.


On 6 May 2019, at 9:49 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

Hi, I gave you not quite the correct model.

D50X-G9

thanks Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 1:54 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The Optical Digital connector looks different from other connectors.
Its a square connector and in some cases may be covered by a flap which opens when an optical connector itself is inserted, much like the old car cassette players we used opened when a cassette was pushed against the flap.
The Optical out jack could also possibly take the form of a 3.5MM minijack, this arrangement is used to provide both analogue and digital audio out form the same jack.


On 6 May 2019, at 6:49 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

I found the light on the back of the TV close to the other connectors, is that the optical digital connector for audio? This is a technology I am totally not familiar with, so I wish to learn! I expect that in some ways it is kind of like Bluetooth? just speculating as to how it connects to speakers or is it somewhat like an infrared connection to remotes where any interaction with the lights . . .

anyway, thanks guys for your patience with me in all this.


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 8:37 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
So there we are, that’s the first I’ve ever heard of a TV having a HDMI out and obviously some do however the more common standard for audio is an optical out and at least one HDMI input, I’m willing to bet that the tV we’re discussing has at least and possibly more.
So the idea being that the TV is connected for audio purposes to the Soundbar or speaker system with an Optical Digital cable.
That way - if required - the soundbar/speakers can get extra effects that Digital TV now offers.


On 6 May 2019, at 1:32 am, Howard Traxler <howard@...> wrote:

We have a Sony TV that we got a little over three years ago. The installers gave me an HDMI cable (looks home made) with RCA male jacks on the other end. I plug them into my stereo auxilary inputs and, of course, have window-rattling speakers on the other end.. The three RCA females on the TV are for input only. Other ways of input are through HDMI connections.


<HT>

On 5/4/2019 8:41 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Well this is suppose to be a top-of-the-line Vizio 4k 50-inch ultra smart TV, so it's connection should be top-of-the-line and conform to state-of-the-art.)

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/4/2019 4:48 PM, Matthew Chas via Groups.Io wrote:
I have a Sony soundbar that uses digital/audio or Toslink cable. That's where most TVs and soundbars are heading these days.--Matt, N1IBB.



On 5/4/2019 6:06 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Oh and as a footnote.
Most Soundbars as far as I know take a digital audio feed from your Televisions so your Television will more than likely have at least a digital audio output.


On 5 May 2019, at 7:36 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

thanks, these "sound bars," as such, the name confuses me, is it confined to a small area like a bar meaning length of the bar, or would you define it? Seems the TV has analog outputs, but they are RCA and don't change with the TV volume, other wise it'd be easy. I don't know if the TV has blue tooth or not. :) thanks

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/4/2019 11:01 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The first thing you will need to do is to work out whether the TV has a digital or analogue out.
Then perhaps go looking for a Soundbar.
These are quite cheap now and no, we???re not talking about surround sound necessarily unless you really want that.
I???ve seen 2.1 channel soundboards about the place which work quite well.
The other option might be getting something like a Key Egg system which is effectively a small bookshelf system so you could put each speaker on either side of the television.


On 5 May 2019, at 3:28 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

Hi! Last week about this time I won a 50 inch 4K ultra Vizio smart TV, and need some speakers. We don't need surround sound just simple and sounding good. I think the back of the TV has RCA jacks for audio, but the output is not variable from them so I suppose there should be a remote which can be then handled by the main remote for volume from the cable box. We have Spectrum out here, so the cable box now talks. So please, suggest what you recommend I buy. My wife is getting impatient, :) (sort of) but we wish something decent sounding which I know you guys understand. :)

THANKS and please believe me, I sort of feel in a void as to what to look for, and where to find it. Amazon is good for us.

--


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA











Re: Soundbars

Curtis Delzer
 

So, I've chosen my sound bar, from

"VIZIO SB3821-C6 38-Inch 2.1..." system, suppose to have a sub woofer, and be pretty good. I know it is 38 inches long so it should work ok.


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/6/2019 3:05 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
There wouldn’t be a huge problem.
You would connect your Television to one of the inputs of your Soundbar and connect your Satellite box to another.
In the case of the Denon Heosbar you have 4 HDMI inputs to choose from and your own Televison may have more than one input but not all do so you will have to do a little research before you buy.


On 7 May 2019, at 7:08 am, Tom Kaufman <tomcat53@...> wrote:

I've entertained the idea of getting a soundbar for the TV in my living room; problem is that (at least I think) since I have a satellite dish receiver hooked to that TV, I'd need a way to plug it into two different things! Here's the thing: I get my local programming via the outside antenna. But for the other stuff, there's where the satellite receiver comes in! So if I were to get a soundbar, how would that work out...or would that even matter?
Keep in mind that I know next to nothing about these soundbars and how the operate!
Tom Kaufman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:46 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Sooundbars

I’m glad we’re talking about this actually as I’m planning on a Soundbar purchase for later this year.
I took the opportunity of looking up “Best Soundbars of 2019” and was most interested to see that the Denon Heosbar rates very highly it seems.
I do have some Heos products already - the Denon AVR-X3400H, Heos 7 and Heos 1 - so the addition of the Heosbar makes perfect sense as I already have the infra structure in place to drive the equipment.


On 6 May 2019, at 1:00 pm, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote:

h just so ya know HDMI 1 is the 1 we are interested in here. That's the 1 that has ARC. But and I forget now the other name of something else Visio TVs will want you to turn on as well. We delt with this because mom got a few mother's days ago a smart TV.
On 5/5/2019 10:05 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

Hi, and thanks for looking. I can not find any earphone output on the front surface of the set, so if it is there, it is well hidden. The only

HDMI connectors I find are on the back, and the HDMI
are in a line from bottom to top number 1 2 and 3.
take care and thanks again for all the help.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 5:07 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The optical digital output socket should be on the rear of your set.
It seems there’s an analogue 3.5MM socket on the front of the set for headphones.
The manual is a little confusing so I can’t say for sure what other sockets are on the rear of the Television apart fro at least 1 hDMI input - also on the front -, an LAN port and the power socket.


On 6 May 2019, at 9:49 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

Hi, I gave you not quite the correct model.

D50X-G9

thanks Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 1:54 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The Optical Digital connector looks different from other connectors.
Its a square connector and in some cases may be covered by a flap which opens when an optical connector itself is inserted, much like the old car cassette players we used opened when a cassette was pushed against the flap.
The Optical out jack could also possibly take the form of a 3.5MM minijack, this arrangement is used to provide both analogue and digital audio out form the same jack.


On 6 May 2019, at 6:49 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

I found the light on the back of the TV close to the other connectors, is that the optical digital connector for audio? This is a technology I am totally not familiar with, so I wish to learn! I expect that in some ways it is kind of like Bluetooth? just speculating as to how it connects to speakers or is it somewhat like an infrared connection to remotes where any interaction with the lights . . .

anyway, thanks guys for your patience with me in all this.


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/5/2019 8:37 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
So there we are, that’s the first I’ve ever heard of a TV having a HDMI out and obviously some do however the more common standard for audio is an optical out and at least one HDMI input, I’m willing to bet that the tV we’re discussing has at least and possibly more.
So the idea being that the TV is connected for audio purposes to the Soundbar or speaker system with an Optical Digital cable.
That way - if required - the soundbar/speakers can get extra effects that Digital TV now offers.


On 6 May 2019, at 1:32 am, Howard Traxler <howard@...> wrote:

We have a Sony TV that we got a little over three years ago. The installers gave me an HDMI cable (looks home made) with RCA male jacks on the other end. I plug them into my stereo auxilary inputs and, of course, have window-rattling speakers on the other end.. The three RCA females on the TV are for input only. Other ways of input are through HDMI connections.


<HT>

On 5/4/2019 8:41 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Well this is suppose to be a top-of-the-line Vizio 4k 50-inch ultra smart TV, so it's connection should be top-of-the-line and conform to state-of-the-art.)

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/4/2019 4:48 PM, Matthew Chas via Groups.Io wrote:
I have a Sony soundbar that uses digital/audio or Toslink cable. That's where most TVs and soundbars are heading these days.--Matt, N1IBB.



On 5/4/2019 6:06 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Oh and as a footnote.
Most Soundbars as far as I know take a digital audio feed from your Televisions so your Television will more than likely have at least a digital audio output.


On 5 May 2019, at 7:36 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

thanks, these "sound bars," as such, the name confuses me, is it confined to a small area like a bar meaning length of the bar, or would you define it? Seems the TV has analog outputs, but they are RCA and don't change with the TV volume, other wise it'd be easy. I don't know if the TV has blue tooth or not. :) thanks

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/4/2019 11:01 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The first thing you will need to do is to work out whether the TV has a digital or analogue out.
Then perhaps go looking for a Soundbar.
These are quite cheap now and no, we???re not talking about surround sound necessarily unless you really want that.
I???ve seen 2.1 channel soundboards about the place which work quite well.
The other option might be getting something like a Key Egg system which is effectively a small bookshelf system so you could put each speaker on either side of the television.


On 5 May 2019, at 3:28 am, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

Hi! Last week about this time I won a 50 inch 4K ultra Vizio smart TV, and need some speakers. We don't need surround sound just simple and sounding good. I think the back of the TV has RCA jacks for audio, but the output is not variable from them so I suppose there should be a remote which can be then handled by the main remote for volume from the cable box. We have Spectrum out here, so the cable box now talks. So please, suggest what you recommend I buy. My wife is getting impatient, :) (sort of) but we wish something decent sounding which I know you guys understand. :)

THANKS and please believe me, I sort of feel in a void as to what to look for, and where to find it. Amazon is good for us.

--


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA








airfoil for pc, is it accessible with nvda?

Mary Otten
 

I guess my question says it all. I used to use this program on a mac, where it was accessible. At that time, the pc version had issues, which I don't recall what they were. So now I'm wondering about the pc app; has it gotten better?


Mary

Re: airfoil for pc, is it accessible with nvda?

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

I use Airfoil and Airfoil Satellite for Windows all the time and have done so for many years now.
The App is accessible but there are a few twerks to be aware of.
There are 2 parts to the Airfoil App as you know, the source - what gets transmitted - and the target - where the source is transmitted to.
To get to the Source list you need to use the tab key to tab to the Source List button.
The buttons are not labeled but fortunately there’s only a few and you get used to where everything is.
The Target or Speaker list is accessible both by tabbing and through the menu system.
Airfoil has evolved in the years I’ve been using the App and become very advanced to the point where the App supports Chromecast and Bluetooth devices so - depending on how devices you have - the Airfoil Dashboard can become rather full.
I’m in the process of reviving my website. One of the sections on my pages is my “Software Value Basket” and Airfoil for Mac and Windows is certainly amongst the content there.

On 8 May 2019, at 12:01 am, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

I guess my question says it all. I used to use this program on a mac, where it was accessible. At that time, the pc version had issues, which I don't recall what they were. So now I'm wondering about the pc app; has it gotten better?


Mary



Re: airfoil for pc, is it accessible with nvda?

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

As a footnote.
Airfoil allows the selection of your speakers or targets for streaming via shortcut keys using Alt and a number key depending on where your speaker is in the list.

On 8 May 2019, at 12:01 am, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

I guess my question says it all. I used to use this program on a mac, where it was accessible. At that time, the pc version had issues, which I don't recall what they were. So now I'm wondering about the pc app; has it gotten better?


Mary



Re: airfoil for pc, is it accessible with nvda?

Mary Otten
 

Thanks for that prompt response. It’s too bad that the buttons are not labeled. So I guess the way you find out where the source list is would be to tab and click and do the trial and error thing and then remember hopefully which button you found that was the right one.

On May 7, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:

I use Airfoil and Airfoil Satellite for Windows all the time and have done so for many years now.
The App is accessible but there are a few twerks to be aware of.
There are 2 parts to the Airfoil App as you know, the source - what gets transmitted - and the target - where the source is transmitted to.
To get to the Source list you need to use the tab key to tab to the Source List button.
The buttons are not labeled but fortunately there’s only a few and you get used to where everything is.
The Target or Speaker list is accessible both by tabbing and through the menu system.
Airfoil has evolved in the years I’ve been using the App and become very advanced to the point where the App supports Chromecast and Bluetooth devices so - depending on how devices you have - the Airfoil Dashboard can become rather full.
I’m in the process of reviving my website. One of the sections on my pages is my “Software Value Basket” and Airfoil for Mac and Windows is certainly amongst the content there.


On 8 May 2019, at 12:01 am, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

I guess my question says it all. I used to use this program on a mac, where it was accessible. At that time, the pc version had issues, which I don't recall what they were. So now I'm wondering about the pc app; has it gotten better?


Mary





Re: airfoil for pc, is it accessible with nvda?

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

Yes that’s one way. The other way is to remember where the buttons are situated with regard to other items in the App. There are sliders - accessible - to adjust output volume for devices and so on so once you know the layout its Childs play.

On 8 May 2019, at 12:53 am, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Thanks for that prompt response. It’s too bad that the buttons are not labeled. So I guess the way you find out where the source list is would be to tab and click and do the trial and error thing and then remember hopefully which button you found that was the right one.
On May 7, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:

I use Airfoil and Airfoil Satellite for Windows all the time and have done so for many years now.
The App is accessible but there are a few twerks to be aware of.
There are 2 parts to the Airfoil App as you know, the source - what gets transmitted - and the target - where the source is transmitted to.
To get to the Source list you need to use the tab key to tab to the Source List button.
The buttons are not labeled but fortunately there’s only a few and you get used to where everything is.
The Target or Speaker list is accessible both by tabbing and through the menu system.
Airfoil has evolved in the years I’ve been using the App and become very advanced to the point where the App supports Chromecast and Bluetooth devices so - depending on how devices you have - the Airfoil Dashboard can become rather full.
I’m in the process of reviving my website. One of the sections on my pages is my “Software Value Basket” and Airfoil for Mac and Windows is certainly amongst the content there.


On 8 May 2019, at 12:01 am, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

I guess my question says it all. I used to use this program on a mac, where it was accessible. At that time, the pc version had issues, which I don't recall what they were. So now I'm wondering about the pc app; has it gotten better?


Mary







Reading Olympus DM70 filenames on a Mac

Mike Busboom
 

Hello everyone,

I recently acquired an Olympus DM720 recorder, and I am very satisfied with the recording quality. Since I primarily use it to record interviews, it’s almost overkill.

I am having one problem, however:
What I want to do is move the recordings from the DM720 to my MacBook Pro. Whle the words „Remote device“ appear in the sidebar, no files are showing up when I arrow over to the file list. When I connect the DM720 to my MacBook Pro the 720 beeps twice and then says PC connection. But can anyone tell me why the MacBook doesn’t see the files? Once I hear the message, what do I need to do in order to get the list of files on the unit?

Thanks to all of you,

Mike

Re: Reading Olympus DM70 filenames on a Mac

Hamit Campos
 

Have you tried this on a PC? I wander if the MAC is just simpally not seeing them. The formats are kinda different.

On 5/7/2019 12:44 PM, Mike Busboom wrote:
Hello everyone,

I recently acquired an Olympus DM720 recorder, and I am very satisfied with the recording quality. Since I primarily use it to record interviews, it’s almost overkill.

I am having one problem, however:
What I want to do is move the recordings from the DM720 to my MacBook Pro. Whle the words „Remote device“ appear in the sidebar, no files are showing up when I arrow over to the file list. When I connect the DM720 to my MacBook Pro the 720 beeps twice and then says PC connection. But can anyone tell me why the MacBook doesn’t see the files? Once I hear the message, what do I need to do in order to get the list of files on the unit?

Thanks to all of you,

Mike


Re: Reading Olympus DM70 filenames on a Mac

Tim Noonan
 

Hi,

Accessing files does work on the Mac.

After hearing "PC Connection" you need to press the round enter button and it should show the DM 720 as an external USB drive.

If that doesn't work, go into the menus on the 720 and under system or device you should find details of the USB connection.

If still stuck, let me know and I'll dig out my machine and give more details.

Good luck
Tim

Tim Noonan
tim@...

On 8 May 2019, at 3:34 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@...> wrote:

Have you tried this on a PC? I wander if the MAC is just simpally not seeing them. The formats are kinda different.

On 5/7/2019 12:44 PM, Mike Busboom wrote:
Hello everyone,

I recently acquired an Olympus DM720 recorder, and I am very satisfied with the recording quality. Since I primarily use it to record interviews, it’s almost overkill.

I am having one problem, however:
What I want to do is move the recordings from the DM720 to my MacBook Pro. Whle the words „Remote device“ appear in the sidebar, no files are showing up when I arrow over to the file list. When I connect the DM720 to my MacBook Pro the 720 beeps twice and then says PC connection. But can anyone tell me why the MacBook doesn’t see the files? Once I hear the message, what do I need to do in order to get the list of files on the unit?

Thanks to all of you,

Mike


Re: Reading Olympus DM70 filenames on a Mac

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

Hi,
Does your MacBook Pro have a SD Card slot? I know my model doesn’t but some do.
If your machine has a SD Card slot then why not remove the SD card from the DM720 and insert it directly into the Mac machine so you can browse the files directly from there, may save quite a bit of time.

On 8 May 2019, at 2:44 am, Mike Busboom <mbusboom@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I recently acquired an Olympus DM720 recorder, and I am very satisfied with the recording quality. Since I primarily use it to record interviews, it’s almost overkill.

I am having one problem, however:
What I want to do is move the recordings from the DM720 to my MacBook Pro. Whle the words „Remote device“ appear in the sidebar, no files are showing up when I arrow over to the file list. When I connect the DM720 to my MacBook Pro the 720 beeps twice and then says PC connection. But can anyone tell me why the MacBook doesn’t see the files? Once I hear the message, what do I need to do in order to get the list of files on the unit?

Thanks to all of you,

Mike



Re: Reading Olympus DM70 filenames on a Mac

Tim Noonan
 

The DM 720 only has a Micro SD slot, but in addition it has reasonable internal storage for saving recordings.


Tim Noonan
tim@...

On 8 May 2019, at 1:41 pm, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:

Hi,
Does your MacBook Pro have a SD Card slot? I know my model doesn’t but some do.
If your machine has a SD Card slot then why not remove the SD card from the DM720 and insert it directly into the Mac machine so you can browse the files directly from there, may save quite a bit of time.


On 8 May 2019, at 2:44 am, Mike Busboom <mbusboom@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I recently acquired an Olympus DM720 recorder, and I am very satisfied with the recording quality. Since I primarily use it to record interviews, it’s almost overkill.

I am having one problem, however:
What I want to do is move the recordings from the DM720 to my MacBook Pro. Whle the words „Remote device“ appear in the sidebar, no files are showing up when I arrow over to the file list. When I connect the DM720 to my MacBook Pro the 720 beeps twice and then says PC connection. But can anyone tell me why the MacBook doesn’t see the files? Once I hear the message, what do I need to do in order to get the list of files on the unit?

Thanks to all of you,

Mike



Re: Reading Olympus DM70 filenames on a Mac

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

Yeah so couldn’t one record onto the Micro SD card, remove it and place into computer etc to copy the files?

On 8 May 2019, at 2:14 pm, Tim Noonan <tim@...> wrote:

The DM 720 only has a Micro SD slot, but in addition it has reasonable internal storage for saving recordings.


Tim Noonan
tim@...



On 8 May 2019, at 1:41 pm, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:

Hi,
Does your MacBook Pro have a SD Card slot? I know my model doesn’t but some do.
If your machine has a SD Card slot then why not remove the SD card from the DM720 and insert it directly into the Mac machine so you can browse the files directly from there, may save quite a bit of time.


On 8 May 2019, at 2:44 am, Mike Busboom <mbusboom@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I recently acquired an Olympus DM720 recorder, and I am very satisfied with the recording quality. Since I primarily use it to record interviews, it’s almost overkill.

I am having one problem, however:
What I want to do is move the recordings from the DM720 to my MacBook Pro. Whle the words „Remote device“ appear in the sidebar, no files are showing up when I arrow over to the file list. When I connect the DM720 to my MacBook Pro the 720 beeps twice and then says PC connection. But can anyone tell me why the MacBook doesn’t see the files? Once I hear the message, what do I need to do in order to get the list of files on the unit?

Thanks to all of you,

Mike









Re: Reading Olympus DM70 filenames on a Mac

Tim Noonan
 

Depending on the class and speed of the Micro SD Card, there can be delays after record starts, meaning initial audio can be lost. Also, it is a significant battery drain if the unit is left in sleep for a period of time when storage is set to SD..

Of course, the other obvious problem is that you need to use a Micro SD to SD converter, to access the files, introducing further fuss.


Tim Noonan
Tim Noonan
tim@...

On 8 May 2019, at 2:24 pm, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:

Yeah so couldn’t one record onto the Micro SD card, remove it and place into computer etc to copy the files?


On 8 May 2019, at 2:14 pm, Tim Noonan <tim@...> wrote:

The DM 720 only has a Micro SD slot, but in addition it has reasonable internal storage for saving recordings.


Tim Noonan
tim@...



On 8 May 2019, at 1:41 pm, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:

Hi,
Does your MacBook Pro have a SD Card slot? I know my model doesn’t but some do.
If your machine has a SD Card slot then why not remove the SD card from the DM720 and insert it directly into the Mac machine so you can browse the files directly from there, may save quite a bit of time.


On 8 May 2019, at 2:44 am, Mike Busboom <mbusboom@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I recently acquired an Olympus DM720 recorder, and I am very satisfied with the recording quality. Since I primarily use it to record interviews, it’s almost overkill.

I am having one problem, however:
What I want to do is move the recordings from the DM720 to my MacBook Pro. Whle the words „Remote device“ appear in the sidebar, no files are showing up when I arrow over to the file list. When I connect the DM720 to my MacBook Pro the 720 beeps twice and then says PC connection. But can anyone tell me why the MacBook doesn’t see the files? Once I hear the message, what do I need to do in order to get the list of files on the unit?

Thanks to all of you,

Mike









Re: Reading Olympus DM70 filenames on a Mac

Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>
 

Well again I can only speak from my experience.
I Don’t know the particular recorder unit in question but I do know that on all the Olympus recorders I’ve had I have had no problem win removing the card and inserting the card into a Mac, Pc or whatever and retrieving the files for editing etc from there.
As you rightly say you have to set the recorder to use the SD card as memory before you start or copy from the internal to the SD card memory if the recording has already been made.

On 8 May 2019, at 2:34 pm, Tim Noonan <tim@...> wrote:

Depending on the class and speed of the Micro SD Card, there can be delays after record starts, meaning initial audio can be lost. Also, it is a significant battery drain if the unit is left in sleep for a period of time when storage is set to SD..

Of course, the other obvious problem is that you need to use a Micro SD to SD converter, to access the files, introducing further fuss.


Tim Noonan
Tim Noonan
tim@...



On 8 May 2019, at 2:24 pm, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:

Yeah so couldn’t one record onto the Micro SD card, remove it and place into computer etc to copy the files?


On 8 May 2019, at 2:14 pm, Tim Noonan <tim@...> wrote:

The DM 720 only has a Micro SD slot, but in addition it has reasonable internal storage for saving recordings.


Tim Noonan
tim@...



On 8 May 2019, at 1:41 pm, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:

Hi,
Does your MacBook Pro have a SD Card slot? I know my model doesn’t but some do.
If your machine has a SD Card slot then why not remove the SD card from the DM720 and insert it directly into the Mac machine so you can browse the files directly from there, may save quite a bit of time.


On 8 May 2019, at 2:44 am, Mike Busboom <mbusboom@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I recently acquired an Olympus DM720 recorder, and I am very satisfied with the recording quality. Since I primarily use it to record interviews, it’s almost overkill.

I am having one problem, however:
What I want to do is move the recordings from the DM720 to my MacBook Pro. Whle the words „Remote device“ appear in the sidebar, no files are showing up when I arrow over to the file list. When I connect the DM720 to my MacBook Pro the 720 beeps twice and then says PC connection. But can anyone tell me why the MacBook doesn’t see the files? Once I hear the message, what do I need to do in order to get the list of files on the unit?

Thanks to all of you,

Mike















accessible software for making video dvds?

goshawk on horseback
 

hello all,
does anyone know of any really accessible software for making standard video dvds? in other words, ones that will play in a standard dvd player.
as I have some downloaded tv series in video format, that I would like to make standard dvds out of, and some other video files that I would like to make a dvd from.
ideally, the software should be able to work with a range of video file formats, but I do have a video format converter program if this is not possible.
I'm using win7 ultimate 64bit, and either window-eyes or nvda.

Simon

Intagraded amps:

Mike Barnard
 

I have a chance to get the Denon AVR-x 3400 H for $599.00 and the 3500 is
$999.00 Are there many differences?

Crutchfield is selling this amp because it is discontinued.

You all have good advice, so I wanted to ask befor jumping at it.

Mike Barnard