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Re: Samsung Galaxy S10

Brian Olesen
 

HI dane,
I have the S10 plus and I love it. It has a more rich full sound than the iPhone, but you should take care not to krank the volume all up. If you do so it will kind og distort.

Brian

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Sendt: 18. marts 2019 00:38
Til: all-audio@groups.io
Emne: [all-audio] Samsung Galaxy S10

Opportunity knocked so I answered and should have this very soon.
I’m looking forward to the audio side of things with this device and to see if Samsung have made any improvements in the quality of the internal speakers.
I have been using Samsung phones regularly since the Samsung Note4.
I then upgraded to a S6, skipped the S7, upgraded to a S8 and I’m using the S9 now.
With every upgraded Samsung have leapt forward in huge bounds with regards to the internal speakers of the Galaxy devices, even the Samsung Galaxy S3 all those years ago would give a lot of phones available now a good run for their money the it comes to sound from the internal speakers.
The Samsung Galaxy S9 was the first Galaxy phone I am aware of to offer stereo internal speakers which seem to be pretty standard on most premium phones these days.
The Sony xPeria X-Performance phone I owned before getting the Samsung S9 certainly had stereo speakers with a great sound to boot.
I still use IOS as well and have been using an iPhone 8 for the last 6 months, a huge improvement on sound quality from the iPhone 6s I had been using.
Anyway I’ll let the list know what I find.
Perhaps others have the S10 or have heard it?

Re: Samsung Galaxy S10

Dane Trethowan
 

I know with the S9 that loud volume is.. well.. exactly that, loud, 70% of volume is more than enough for me.
The S9 can distort ad volumes around 90% so I wonder when distortion kicks in with the S10?

On 18 Mar 2019, at 7:13 pm, Brian Olesen <brian@...> wrote:

HI dane,
I have the S10 plus and I love it. It has a more rich full sound than the iPhone, but you should take care not to krank the volume all up. If you do so it will kind og distort.

Brian

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Sendt: 18. marts 2019 00:38
Til: all-audio@groups.io
Emne: [all-audio] Samsung Galaxy S10

Opportunity knocked so I answered and should have this very soon.
I’m looking forward to the audio side of things with this device and to see if Samsung have made any improvements in the quality of the internal speakers.
I have been using Samsung phones regularly since the Samsung Note4.
I then upgraded to a S6, skipped the S7, upgraded to a S8 and I’m using the S9 now.
With every upgraded Samsung have leapt forward in huge bounds with regards to the internal speakers of the Galaxy devices, even the Samsung Galaxy S3 all those years ago would give a lot of phones available now a good run for their money the it comes to sound from the internal speakers.
The Samsung Galaxy S9 was the first Galaxy phone I am aware of to offer stereo internal speakers which seem to be pretty standard on most premium phones these days.
The Sony xPeria X-Performance phone I owned before getting the Samsung S9 certainly had stereo speakers with a great sound to boot.
I still use IOS as well and have been using an iPhone 8 for the last 6 months, a huge improvement on sound quality from the iPhone 6s I had been using.
Anyway I’ll let the list know what I find.
Perhaps others have the S10 or have heard it?







Re: Samsung Galaxy S10

Brian Olesen
 

Hi Dane,
It's about the same. In fact there is not much difference with the 2 loutspeakers.

Brian

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Sendt: 18. marts 2019 09:28
Til: all-audio@groups.io
Emne: Re: [all-audio] Samsung Galaxy S10

I know with the S9 that loud volume is.. well.. exactly that, loud, 70% of volume is more than enough for me.
The S9 can distort ad volumes around 90% so I wonder when distortion kicks in with the S10?

On 18 Mar 2019, at 7:13 pm, Brian Olesen <brian@...> wrote:

HI dane,
I have the S10 plus and I love it. It has a more rich full sound than the iPhone, but you should take care not to krank the volume all up. If you do so it will kind og distort.

Brian

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Sendt: 18. marts 2019 00:38
Til: all-audio@groups.io
Emne: [all-audio] Samsung Galaxy S10

Opportunity knocked so I answered and should have this very soon.
I’m looking forward to the audio side of things with this device and to see if Samsung have made any improvements in the quality of the internal speakers.
I have been using Samsung phones regularly since the Samsung Note4.
I then upgraded to a S6, skipped the S7, upgraded to a S8 and I’m using the S9 now.
With every upgraded Samsung have leapt forward in huge bounds with regards to the internal speakers of the Galaxy devices, even the Samsung Galaxy S3 all those years ago would give a lot of phones available now a good run for their money the it comes to sound from the internal speakers.
The Samsung Galaxy S9 was the first Galaxy phone I am aware of to offer stereo internal speakers which seem to be pretty standard on most premium phones these days.
The Sony xPeria X-Performance phone I owned before getting the Samsung S9 certainly had stereo speakers with a great sound to boot.
I still use IOS as well and have been using an iPhone 8 for the last 6 months, a huge improvement on sound quality from the iPhone 6s I had been using.
Anyway I’ll let the list know what I find.
Perhaps others have the S10 or have heard it?







Re: memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

adam morris
 

Hi Jamie,

This didn't fix it for me.

Thanks for the tip.

On 18-March-2019 18:13, Jamie Kelly wrote:
Hi Adam,
You need to run as admin from desktop that will fix it.

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of adam morris
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 6:02 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Hi Curtis,

I am using soundforge and not the other version which I've not heard of.


On 18-March-2019 15:57, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Are you using the Sony version or the one from Magix?

I have never had an issue with the Sony on any version of windows.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/17/2019 2:21 PM, adam morris wrote:
Hi all,

I have two machines running win10 1803.

On my desktop that has 32gb ram soundforge 11 gives an error saying
there was an error during playback when loading a file.

The error says to exit other programs that maybe using memory.

This happens after a fresh restart and there is only 10 percent of
memory being used out of the 32gb.

On my laptop that has half the memory soundforge11 runs without issue.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled soundforge with the same result.

Any ideas?

TIA.

--

Adam Morris
Jaws certified 2016
Email, iMessage & FaceTime
adam@...

Re: Winamp Volume Level

JM Casey
 

Hey.
No, I think it has to do with the direct sound output plugin. Experiment with the settings in the configure dialogue.

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: March 17, 2019 10:33 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Winamp Volume Level

Barry again, Under output, I have only three plugins. disk write, direct out, and wav out. Under wav out I get a dialog when I press configure. The volume contol is checked but it still doesn't work. Maybe I should reinstall winamp. I'll try the later one again. I want to set it so the stop and pause does not fade. I used to get that and volume control with arrows but maybe my winamp got corrupted? Do you think that's possible?


Thanks again.


Howard

On 3/17/2019 8:52 PM, Barry Chapman wrote:
Hi Howard,

Try the following.

1. Press ctrl+p for preferences.
2. Arrow up or down to Plugins. If it is closed, press right arrow to open it.
3. Arro to Output.
4. Assuming you are using the Nullsoft DirectSound Output plugin, tab to configure and press space.
5. Tab to the current tab name (e.g. device, Buffering, Fading or Other).
6. Arrow to the Other tab if not already there.
7. Tab to Enable volume control and ensure that it is checked.
8. Tab to OK and press enter.
9. Tab to Close and press enter.

See if that helps.

Regards,
Barry Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 12:20 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Winamp Volume Level

Hi All,

I'm using an older version of Winamp because I thought Win10 migh keep
it in focus while playing. It does not.


My question: When I move to the window that Winamp is playing in, the
up and down arrows do not control volume level any more. I think it
used to work, but now it don't. What did I do wrong? Any ideas/suggestions?


Thanks.

Howard







Re: memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Curtis Delzer
 

well, is it by Sony, or is it by Magix, they are Sound Forge in both places. Magix took over the administration of SF when version twelve was released. If you haven't updated to 12, you still may be using a Magix version 11 of the software. If you had to re-install 11, you had to then download the file from Magix, though you may have a version from Sony backed up along with your original serial number from Sony. Now that Magix as taken over sound forge your Sony files are useless. I KNOW, because I had my version 11 pro along with my version from Sony serial number ready to go in case I had to re-install.  When I did re-install, and attempted to re-use my serial number, I was directed to the Magix servers for my account where it acted like I was welcome, to download all the so-called original sound forge files, though they were not original, they all have the Magix logo within them.

When I re-installed sf 11 with serial number I began having the same kinds of "not enough memory" messages.

So, if you have not re-installed your Sony sound forge 11 and did not go anywhere to re-download version 11 I can't help, except to say that the coincidence is suspicious that the Magix company is pulling some real shit around here.





Curtis Delzer

HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/18/2019 12:02 AM, adam morris wrote:
Hi Curtis,

I am using soundforge and not the other version which I've not heard of.


On 18-March-2019 15:57, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Are you using the Sony version or the one from Magix?

I have never had an issue with the Sony on any version of windows.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/17/2019 2:21 PM, adam morris wrote:
Hi all,

I have two machines running win10 1803.

On my desktop that has 32gb ram soundforge 11 gives an error saying there was an error during playback when loading a file.

The error says to exit other programs that maybe using memory.

This happens after a fresh restart and there is only 10 percent of memory being used out of the 32gb.

On my laptop that has half the memory soundforge11 runs without issue.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled soundforge with the same result.

Any ideas?

TIA.


Re: memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Curtis Delzer
 

tried that too, but that did not work for me with Magix version 11.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/18/2019 12:13 AM, Jamie Kelly wrote:
Hi Adam,
You need to run as admin from desktop that will fix it.

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of adam morris
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 6:02 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Hi Curtis,

I am using soundforge and not the other version which I've not heard of.


On 18-March-2019 15:57, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Are you using the Sony version or the one from Magix?

I have never had an issue with the Sony on any version of windows.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/17/2019 2:21 PM, adam morris wrote:
Hi all,

I have two machines running win10 1803.

On my desktop that has 32gb ram soundforge 11 gives an error saying
there was an error during playback when loading a file.

The error says to exit other programs that maybe using memory.

This happens after a fresh restart and there is only 10 percent of
memory being used out of the 32gb.

On my laptop that has half the memory soundforge11 runs without issue.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled soundforge with the same result.

Any ideas?

TIA.

Re: memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Jamie Kelly
 

Have you tried a reinstall?

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of adam morris
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 9:47 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Hi Jamie,

This didn't fix it for me.

Thanks for the tip.


On 18-March-2019 18:13, Jamie Kelly wrote:
Hi Adam,
You need to run as admin from desktop that will fix it.

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of adam morris
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 6:02 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Hi Curtis,

I am using soundforge and not the other version which I've not heard of.


On 18-March-2019 15:57, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Are you using the Sony version or the one from Magix?

I have never had an issue with the Sony on any version of windows.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/17/2019 2:21 PM, adam morris wrote:
Hi all,

I have two machines running win10 1803.

On my desktop that has 32gb ram soundforge 11 gives an error saying
there was an error during playback when loading a file.

The error says to exit other programs that maybe using memory.

This happens after a fresh restart and there is only 10 percent of
memory being used out of the 32gb.

On my laptop that has half the memory soundforge11 runs without issue.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled soundforge with the same result.

Any ideas?

TIA.

--

Adam Morris
Jaws certified 2016
Email, iMessage & FaceTime
adam@...

Re: memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Dane Trethowan
 

I wonder what the hell is going on here as this problem has been extensively discussed on list in the not to distant past as I myself was involved in the discussion and published a tutorial on how to fix this problem.
The original author of the thread might think about searching the list archives or better still going to Google where this topic is addressed in a full tutorial, in fact I posted it here.
I won’t go over it all again, not because I want to be nasty but because my post was fairly old now but will make a few crucial points.
Firstly the problems yexperienced are pretty much down to the absence of Windows Framework which was common in Windows versions before 10.
Since Windows 10 has arrived Microsoft have been gradually fazing Windows Framework out thus software developers who relied on the framework being present have been rewriting their software hence the release of Magix Sound Fort 12 Pro and 13 Audio Studio for Windows.
You can battle on with Sound Forge Pro 11 if you like and try to reinstall Windows Framework as I did quite some time ago.
The better way to go in my view is to call Sound Forge 11 a Dead Loss and upgrade to 12 where you’ll immediately notice a difference in faster loading and processing times for your audio projects etc.
I bought the software on special for $199 so take a look at the Magix web site and see if they have any offers for upgrading.

On 19 Mar 2019, at 6:50 am, Jamie Kelly <otrjamie@...> wrote:

Have you tried a reinstall?

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of adam morris
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 9:47 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Hi Jamie,

This didn't fix it for me.

Thanks for the tip.


On 18-March-2019 18:13, Jamie Kelly wrote:
Hi Adam,
You need to run as admin from desktop that will fix it.

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of adam morris
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 6:02 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Hi Curtis,

I am using soundforge and not the other version which I've not heard of.


On 18-March-2019 15:57, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Are you using the Sony version or the one from Magix?

I have never had an issue with the Sony on any version of windows.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/17/2019 2:21 PM, adam morris wrote:
Hi all,

I have two machines running win10 1803.

On my desktop that has 32gb ram soundforge 11 gives an error saying
there was an error during playback when loading a file.

The error says to exit other programs that maybe using memory.

This happens after a fresh restart and there is only 10 percent of
memory being used out of the 32gb.

On my laptop that has half the memory soundforge11 runs without issue.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled soundforge with the same result.

Any ideas?

TIA.

--

Adam Morris
Jaws certified 2016
Email, iMessage & FaceTime
adam@...







Re: Winamp Volume Level

Howard Traxler
 

Well Now:  Thanks guys.  I took out the Winamp I was using (5.3 something) andinstalled 5.66 again.  Now everything is working like it should again.  It still doesn't grab focus when it starts, but I just alt-shift-tab to it and it's fine.


Thanks.

Howard

On 3/18/2019 10:49 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
No, I think it has to do with the direct sound output plugin. Experiment with the settings in the configure dialogue.


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: March 17, 2019 10:33 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Winamp Volume Level

Barry again, Under output, I have only three plugins. disk write, direct out, and wav out. Under wav out I get a dialog when I press configure. The volume contol is checked but it still doesn't work. Maybe I should reinstall winamp. I'll try the later one again. I want to set it so the stop and pause does not fade. I used to get that and volume control with arrows but maybe my winamp got corrupted? Do you think that's possible?


Thanks again.


Howard

On 3/17/2019 8:52 PM, Barry Chapman wrote:
Hi Howard,

Try the following.

1. Press ctrl+p for preferences.
2. Arrow up or down to Plugins. If it is closed, press right arrow to open it.
3. Arro to Output.
4. Assuming you are using the Nullsoft DirectSound Output plugin, tab to configure and press space.
5. Tab to the current tab name (e.g. device, Buffering, Fading or Other).
6. Arrow to the Other tab if not already there.
7. Tab to Enable volume control and ensure that it is checked.
8. Tab to OK and press enter.
9. Tab to Close and press enter.

See if that helps.

Regards,
Barry Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 12:20 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Winamp Volume Level

Hi All,

I'm using an older version of Winamp because I thought Win10 migh keep
it in focus while playing. It does not.


My question: When I move to the window that Winamp is playing in, the
up and down arrows do not control volume level any more. I think it
used to work, but now it don't. What did I do wrong? Any ideas/suggestions?


Thanks.

Howard










Re: Winamp Volume Level

Barry Chapman
 

That's good.

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2019 12:38 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Winamp Volume Level

Well Now: Thanks guys. I took out the Winamp I was using (5.3
something) andinstalled 5.66 again. Now everything is working like it
should again. It still doesn't grab focus when it starts, but I just
alt-shift-tab to it and it's fine.


Thanks.

Howard

On 3/18/2019 10:49 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
No, I think it has to do with the direct sound output plugin. Experiment with the settings in the configure dialogue.


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: March 17, 2019 10:33 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Winamp Volume Level

Barry again, Under output, I have only three plugins. disk write, direct out, and wav out. Under wav out I get a dialog when I press configure. The volume contol is checked but it still doesn't work. Maybe I should reinstall winamp. I'll try the later one again. I want to set it so the stop and pause does not fade. I used to get that and volume control with arrows but maybe my winamp got corrupted? Do you think that's possible?


Thanks again.


Howard

On 3/17/2019 8:52 PM, Barry Chapman wrote:
Hi Howard,

Try the following.

1. Press ctrl+p for preferences.
2. Arrow up or down to Plugins. If it is closed, press right arrow to open it.
3. Arro to Output.
4. Assuming you are using the Nullsoft DirectSound Output plugin, tab to configure and press space.
5. Tab to the current tab name (e.g. device, Buffering, Fading or Other).
6. Arrow to the Other tab if not already there.
7. Tab to Enable volume control and ensure that it is checked.
8. Tab to OK and press enter.
9. Tab to Close and press enter.

See if that helps.

Regards,
Barry Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 12:20 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Winamp Volume Level

Hi All,

I'm using an older version of Winamp because I thought Win10 migh keep
it in focus while playing. It does not.


My question: When I move to the window that Winamp is playing in, the
up and down arrows do not control volume level any more. I think it
used to work, but now it don't. What did I do wrong? Any ideas/suggestions?


Thanks.

Howard











Re: memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Curtis Delzer
 

definitely, and more than once, even making sure all registry entries were cleaned out, at least the obvious ones from Magix, and sound forge.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/18/2019 12:50 PM, Jamie Kelly wrote:
Have you tried a reinstall?

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of adam morris
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 9:47 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Hi Jamie,

This didn't fix it for me.

Thanks for the tip.


On 18-March-2019 18:13, Jamie Kelly wrote:
Hi Adam,
You need to run as admin from desktop that will fix it.

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of adam morris
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 6:02 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] memory error when loading tracks in soundforge11?

Hi Curtis,

I am using soundforge and not the other version which I've not heard of.


On 18-March-2019 15:57, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Are you using the Sony version or the one from Magix?

I have never had an issue with the Sony on any version of windows.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/17/2019 2:21 PM, adam morris wrote:
Hi all,

I have two machines running win10 1803.

On my desktop that has 32gb ram soundforge 11 gives an error saying
there was an error during playback when loading a file.

The error says to exit other programs that maybe using memory.

This happens after a fresh restart and there is only 10 percent of
memory being used out of the 32gb.

On my laptop that has half the memory soundforge11 runs without issue.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled soundforge with the same result.

Any ideas?

TIA.

Rogue Amoeba - Under the Microscope » Blog Archive » Tutorials for Our Entire Ultimate Podcast Bundle

Dane Trethowan
 

Hi there,
List members who use Mac machines and who want to get into Podcasting may find the link below to various tutorials on the subject from the blog post most helpful.
I use 1 of the products discussed here and in my view Audio Hijack is the best audio capturing/recording tool out there.
Anyway take a read of the Under The Microscope Blog Post and a look at the video yourself.

https://weblog.rogueamoeba.com/2019/03/19/tutorials-for-our-entire-ultimate-podcast-bundle/

Curious

Dane Trethowan
 

Hi,

I have a question for the list.

With the advent of such services as Kindle and Audible along with quite a
few others do list members think that Daisy will die or will their even be a
need for Daisy in the not to distant future.

With my Echo Show paired to my Braille Display I now read a huge amount of
content from Kindle though I can have the Show read this out using the
built-in TTS.

I'm also a great fan of Audible, I've had an Audbile account for years but
haven't used it very much until recently.

Again the Echo Show will handle Audible quite nicely though I do tend to
listen to Audible content through my Samsung phone which has incredibly good
sound particularly for spoken workd material or perhaps Audible is doing a
little optimisation somewhere in the audio chain <smile>.

I don't have a particular view on the question I asked above, I'm just
curious as to what other viewpoints are on this topic.

Re: Curious

Brian Olesen
 

Hi,
I think there is a big diference between a private literature reader, and a
person reading school and other education stuff.
If you need access to specialized literature like manuals and other such
materials Daisy is still the way to go.

Brian

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> På vegne af Dane Trethowan
Sendt: 20. marts 2019 16:48
Til: all-audio@groups.io
Emne: [all-audio] Curious

Hi,

I have a question for the list.

With the advent of such services as Kindle and Audible along with quite a
few others do list members think that Daisy will die or will their even be a
need for Daisy in the not to distant future.

With my Echo Show paired to my Braille Display I now read a huge amount of
content from Kindle though I can have the Show read this out using the
built-in TTS.

I'm also a great fan of Audible, I've had an Audbile account for years but
haven't used it very much until recently.

Again the Echo Show will handle Audible quite nicely though I do tend to
listen to Audible content through my Samsung phone which has incredibly good
sound particularly for spoken workd material or perhaps Audible is doing a
little optimisation somewhere in the audio chain <smile>.

I don't have a particular view on the question I asked above, I'm just
curious as to what other viewpoints are on this topic.

Re: Curious

Kelly Pierce
 

First, Kindle books cost money. I live in Chicago and my city
government buys more than 100,000 print books a year for the public
library system. One of the taxpayer-funded universities in my state,
the University of Illinois, has more than 14 million books. It is
bigger than the libraries of Yale, Princeton and the University of
Chicago. I can order nearly all of these books from my local library
and read them for free. If I had to pay for them, I would not be able
to access the knowledge I could because of the cost. Blind people need
access to vast libraries at little or no cost like sighted people do.
Older books and those of a scientific or specialized nature will never
make it to kindle. They will need to be scanned and offered to the
blind in an electronic format. Kindle only allows a computer to select
a few words of text so note taking from a Kindle book is tedious.

I have listened to a few audio books produced buy Audible. The library
for the blind program here in America began incorporating commercial
audio books into its program a few years ago. These include Audible
books. The readers are not as good as those from the library for the
blind or from the major book publishers. Audible seems to use second
tier voice talent who have quirky voices. The reader of one book was
emotionless and did not connect with the material. Also, Audible often
does not read books on regional history, regional non-fiction or those
of extremely controversial topics. The national library service
records audio books that fill in these gaps.

When cross-border sharing of accessible books becomes available later
this year, people will have more books than they could possibly read
so many of these commercial services will seem superfluous.
Kelly

On 3/20/19, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:
Hi,

I have a question for the list.

With the advent of such services as Kindle and Audible along with quite a
few others do list members think that Daisy will die or will their even be
a
need for Daisy in the not to distant future.

With my Echo Show paired to my Braille Display I now read a huge amount of
content from Kindle though I can have the Show read this out using the
built-in TTS.

I'm also a great fan of Audible, I've had an Audbile account for years but
haven't used it very much until recently.

Again the Echo Show will handle Audible quite nicely though I do tend to
listen to Audible content through my Samsung phone which has incredibly
good
sound particularly for spoken workd material or perhaps Audible is doing a
little optimisation somewhere in the audio chain <smile>.

I don't have a particular view on the question I asked above, I'm just
curious as to what other viewpoints are on this topic.






Re: Curious

Mary Otten
 

I don’t think that Daisy will become superfluous. I don’t agree, however, that audible readers are worse than those from Bard. There are some excellent readers on Audible who are better than any current readers on Bard, in my view. Others may not be so good. But audible has a lot more books than bard. That’s why am still in Audible member. Yes, they cost money. But there are things that audible records that Barb will never have.

On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@...> wrote:

First, Kindle books cost money. I live in Chicago and my city
government buys more than 100,000 print books a year for the public
library system. One of the taxpayer-funded universities in my state,
the University of Illinois, has more than 14 million books. It is
bigger than the libraries of Yale, Princeton and the University of
Chicago. I can order nearly all of these books from my local library
and read them for free. If I had to pay for them, I would not be able
to access the knowledge I could because of the cost. Blind people need
access to vast libraries at little or no cost like sighted people do.
Older books and those of a scientific or specialized nature will never
make it to kindle. They will need to be scanned and offered to the
blind in an electronic format. Kindle only allows a computer to select
a few words of text so note taking from a Kindle book is tedious.

I have listened to a few audio books produced buy Audible. The library
for the blind program here in America began incorporating commercial
audio books into its program a few years ago. These include Audible
books. The readers are not as good as those from the library for the
blind or from the major book publishers. Audible seems to use second
tier voice talent who have quirky voices. The reader of one book was
emotionless and did not connect with the material. Also, Audible often
does not read books on regional history, regional non-fiction or those
of extremely controversial topics. The national library service
records audio books that fill in these gaps.

When cross-border sharing of accessible books becomes available later
this year, people will have more books than they could possibly read
so many of these commercial services will seem superfluous.
Kelly


On 3/20/19, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...> wrote:
Hi,

I have a question for the list.

With the advent of such services as Kindle and Audible along with quite a
few others do list members think that Daisy will die or will their even be
a
need for Daisy in the not to distant future.

With my Echo Show paired to my Braille Display I now read a huge amount of
content from Kindle though I can have the Show read this out using the
built-in TTS.

I'm also a great fan of Audible, I've had an Audbile account for years but
haven't used it very much until recently.

Again the Echo Show will handle Audible quite nicely though I do tend to
listen to Audible content through my Samsung phone which has incredibly
good
sound particularly for spoken workd material or perhaps Audible is doing a
little optimisation somewhere in the audio chain <smile>.

I don't have a particular view on the question I asked above, I'm just
curious as to what other viewpoints are on this topic.







Re: Curious

JM Casey
 

Hey.

Couple of interesting responses here so far.
I'd say that both Audible (and potentially other commercial/semi-commercial
services) will have their place and so will specialised services/libraries
producing DAISY. I think the person who suggest that there are some
materials that will just never be available from Audible is probably right,
but it all depends on what you read. There's a huge amount of stuff
available through Audible and commercial audiobooks do often tend to be of a
high reading standard, so for people like me (and, I suspect, yourself),
this will probably suit our needs nicely.
I do most of my reading on a braille display though.

-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: March 20, 2019 11:48 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: [all-audio] Curious

Hi,

I have a question for the list.

With the advent of such services as Kindle and Audible along with quite a
few others do list members think that Daisy will die or will their even be a
need for Daisy in the not to distant future.

With my Echo Show paired to my Braille Display I now read a huge amount of
content from Kindle though I can have the Show read this out using the
built-in TTS.

I'm also a great fan of Audible, I've had an Audbile account for years but
haven't used it very much until recently.

Again the Echo Show will handle Audible quite nicely though I do tend to
listen to Audible content through my Samsung phone which has incredibly good
sound particularly for spoken workd material or perhaps Audible is doing a
little optimisation somewhere in the audio chain <smile>.

I don't have a particular view on the question I asked above, I'm just
curious as to what other viewpoints are on this topic.

Re: Curious

Anders Holmberg
 

Hi!
I think the daisy format will be for a while at least.
I don’t know how multi-lingual books or books in other languages are presented on audible or the echo show.
In Daisy you can have both braille ant speak with all headings and such so i guess it also depends on what you read with what device.
/A

20 mars 2019 kl. 16:48 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtdane@...>:

Hi,

I have a question for the list.

With the advent of such services as Kindle and Audible along with quite a
few others do list members think that Daisy will die or will their even be a
need for Daisy in the not to distant future.

With my Echo Show paired to my Braille Display I now read a huge amount of
content from Kindle though I can have the Show read this out using the
built-in TTS.

I'm also a great fan of Audible, I've had an Audbile account for years but
haven't used it very much until recently.

Again the Echo Show will handle Audible quite nicely though I do tend to
listen to Audible content through my Samsung phone which has incredibly good
sound particularly for spoken workd material or perhaps Audible is doing a
little optimisation somewhere in the audio chain <smile>.

I don't have a particular view on the question I asked above, I'm just
curious as to what other viewpoints are on this topic.





Ring doorbell Video 2 impressions

Dane Trethowan
 

Hi Everyone,
I’ve had the Ring Video Doorbell 2 for a week now so thought I’d write down my impressions of the product.
Before that I had a Doorbell which I built around a Raspberry Pi machine however the machine packed up so I had to get something quickly.
I looked for Raspberry Pi Doorbell projects to build and boy has the landscape changed since I built mine back in 2013, if you go to Youtube and look for Raspberry Pi Doorbell you’ll soon see what I mean so plenty for me to choose from and to think about.
The Raspberry Pi I was using was of a considerable age and there have been several generations of Raspberry Pi since, I think we’re now up to the Third Generation? Anyway the newer Pi machines are far more powerful than the one I was using and offer far more flexible connectivity options but one thing at a time and back to the Ring Doorbell Video 2
The idea of the Ring Doorbell is to have the unit installed at a location while you use your Smart Phone to interact with the doorbell. My Ring Doorbell is installed at the front door.
If you have the old trusty electro mechanical type doorbell already installed then you can choose to have it work in parallel with the Ring Doorbell.
In my case I needed a sparky to come and give me a hand with my installation but if its just a case of sticking the Ring Doorbell on a wall then you should be able to perform the whole installation job yourself.
Depending on the type of\The Ring Doorbell has several power options and the one you choose will depend on your installation requirements. I already have a mains supply installed for my doorbell requirements so the ring Doorbell can take advantage of that.
If you’re just going to stick the doorbell on a wall then you can use the supplied rechargeable battery which clips into the bottom of the Doorbell unit.
Connecting the Ring Doorbell to your network may take a little time and can be a little tricky so be sure to follow the prompts in the Ring App and be sure to create your account at http://www.ring.com <http://www.ring.com/> which I suggest you do before you stat the setup process.
Its during the setup process that I started encountering disappointments with the Ring product.
Firstly the Ring Doorbell Video 2 will only connect to 2.4GHZ networks and the unit doesn’t have a LAN port which is odd given the Doorbell will be mounted most likely in most homes in a fixed position.
The Setup procedure in the Ring App was quite easy to follow and I have everything connected in around 10 minutes along with having completed tests to ensure that the doorbell was functioning as required.
Ring sends you a couple of optional eMails containing tips and so on which are worth reading.
The settings panels in the Ring App seem perfectly accessible.
So now to actually trying the Ring Doorbell out with my mobile phones and here I started to get annoyed.
When the Ring Doorbell detects motion or the button is pushed to ring the Doorbell a notification is sent to your phone.
In order to interact with the person at your door you have to interact with the notification on your phone so that means that you not only have to unlock your phone - if it is locked - but enter your Fingerprint or facial ID before you can even interact then with the Ring Screen.
The Screen contains several buttons including an “Accept” button which you can double-tap to start viewing video form your doorbell or speak to the person at your front door.
And here’s another thing to be wary of, the orientation of your phone is changed to landscape regardless of your orientation preference so you may need to change your method when you try to navigate the Ring App screen whilst interacting with the Doorbell.
The interactivity can be ended by double-tapping on the “End” button in the Ring App.
There is an easier way with which to interact with the Ring Doorbell by the use of an Echo Show or Echo Spot device and your voice.
You Suppose the Doorbell rings you can say to Echo Show, “Alexa View Front Door” where upon the Doorbell will be activated and you can start interacting with the person at your Front door.
The video is displayed on the Echo Show or Spot screen and you can talk to the person at your front door using hands free on the Echo Show or Spot device.
Note that the Ring Doorbell Video 2 cannot work with an Echo or Echo dot device which is a shame. Okay the Dot etc aren’t capable of receiving video but they do receive audio and the quality of audio the Echo Dot 3rd Generation and Echo put out is very reasonable.
As for the audio quality of the Ring Doorbell itself? Well I can describe it best as very average but certainly not too bad. I would have liked to see a control for volume of audio on the Doorbell itself. In most situations this should be loud enough for the person at the front door to hear but certainly not in reasonably noisy environments, say near a road with a lot of traffic running up and down.
Extra chime and camera units can be installed and I intend to experiment with a couple of extra chimes around the house.