Re: Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you do it?


Hamit Campos
 

Ah fair enough Gena. I always thought he just told SoundForge or Studio Recorder save as 192 KBPS MP3 and that's that. But perhaps he did do stuff to the files. Yes you're right his voice is real bassie. Also I've found on some podcasts he either records at a real low level or he lowers them in SoundForge. The last thing is that for instance when he does the NT1-A demos he does them in his PC room. So you have his battery backups humming. I understand that he perhaps uses them to get the levels right but once that is done I'd recommend going into that room that he goes into that has lots of echo to it and do the demo there. This way we hear the true silence or lack there of.

On 5/14/2020 11:21 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Yes, but he has a nice deep voice and he doesn’t state what post production processing he does to make it small enough for people to download. Either he has knocked off the highs or they just have got lost in .mp3 compression.

Regards,

Gena
On 14 May 2020, at 15:38, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah good. It's a great podcast. What I love most is that it's the 1 pod cast where he uses the NT1-A the most.

On 5/14/2020 10:36 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.

Gena asked for Neals Review. Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones or the H6.

If the latter, you can get it at here:

Sendspace.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu

I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.

Hamit you said that Dane had them.

You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all of them if possible.

I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages. Perhaps I'll try again.

Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time. Perhaps I'll drop the big guy a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.

Very best wishes.

Andy.



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Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On

On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Andy and Hamit,

Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?

All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?

Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know of.

Regards,

On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io <meikle.aiden=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Guys.

You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!


Andy.

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Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. I've yet to finish that 1.

On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

No 36 is out.


On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.

On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Hamit,

Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to before.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <hamitcampos@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say nothing on that either.

On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello Aidan,

Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.

Regards,


On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:

If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would need
to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.

On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <gena@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
Hello Tim,

Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not familiar with using expanders.
But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some noise. So a
light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as you rightly
point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the recording is to
serve.

Thanks,



On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <thcumings@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful about
using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make things sound
worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if you are
using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you are
recording.


On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
Hello All,

Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. very long
I thought I would ask the community of their experiences and how they
undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on recording
techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of us who
have a Zoom.

Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise gate.
This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.

I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only mic
available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure the
recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard the first
second as it will contain handling noise.

I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away from the
active recording space. It is surprising how clothing, shoes and bangles
rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.

Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am trying to
capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to be that
much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.

Then there are practical considerations such as power for the Zoom and
protection from wind and rain.

Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would employ before
a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?

Regards,

Gena

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