F-16 operation manual


Wang Zichen
 


Philip Markgraf
 

This is not an appropriate request for this group. Birds of Prey is created using all publicly available data. We do not trade in flight manuals and the like in this group.

What is appropriate is discussion of the game: how to play, scenarios, aircraft of interest and the like.

Thank you for understanding.



On Jan 16, 2023, at 12:51 AM, www1145141216 <www1145141216@...> wrote:


Wang Zichen
 

I'm sorry, I didn't know I couldn't ask such questions. I'm really sorry.


Ethan McKinney
 

I'm hoping this is a request for a declassified manual, not an invitation to engage in espionage by sending decrypted material to the PRC.

(I'm also very confused about the age of middle school students in the PRC.)

"RUSH"


Mpipes
 

I did a history project on tanks in the 8th grade years ago.  I was going nuts trying to get more detailed data on modern tanks.  The UK MOD and the Soviet Embassy proved among the most helpful.  As I recall, I got a personal letter from the USSR military attaché with most of the info I was looking for in a concise table.  The FBI actually launched an inquiry on me!

I'm inclined to think this is a kid in China working on a school project.  By way of responding with a helpful suggestion, there are declassified flight manuals and other information available online.  Perhaps an online search using Chinese version of Google will get you the information you want.  Wikipedia is pretty helpful.

Malcolm Pipes
(214)679-8318
 


On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:25:21 AM CST, Ethan McKinney <ethan.mckinney@...> wrote:


I'm hoping this is a request for a declassified manual, not an invitation to engage in espionage by sending decrypted material to the PRC.

(I'm also very confused about the age of middle school students in the PRC.)

"RUSH"


Philip Markgraf
 

We do not have an officially stated policy (and perhaps we should.) The important thing is that we do not have any information that should be any state’s secret or might affect operational security. Since the topics of our game do have details that are secret, we are careful to stay away from content that might be in a gray area (should be secret, but is somehow available.)

Thank you for understanding.

And I hope my response was not rude. That has not been my intention.

— Shaken - out —



On Jan 16, 2023, at 6:34 AM, Wang Zichen <www1145141216@...> wrote:

I'm sorry, I didn't know I couldn't ask such questions. I'm really sorry.


Thomas Russ
 

I think that maybe adding something to the end of the group's description regarding open source information would be a good idea.

In a spirit of generosity, I wonder if there might have been a translation issue between "de-crypted" and "declassified". The first one sounds ominous but the second is the type of information we use. I was also wondering about the email request. Could it be that internet access for the OP is more restricted than Email?

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:25 AM Philip Markgraf via groups.io <philip_markgraf=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
We do not have an officially stated policy (and perhaps we should.) The important thing is that we do not have any information that should be any state’s secret or might affect operational security. Since the topics of our game do have details that are secret, we are careful to stay away from content that might be in a gray area (should be secret, but is somehow available.)

Thank you for understanding.

And I hope my response was not rude. That has not been my intention.

— Shaken - out —



On Jan 16, 2023, at 6:34 AM, Wang Zichen <www1145141216@...> wrote:

I'm sorry, I didn't know I couldn't ask such questions. I'm really sorry.


Philip Markgraf
 

Thank you, Rush, Laurel,

There is no assumption of bad intentions on anyone’s part. (My actual assumption is that state actors have had such material long ago.) This is an area where the game development team has legitimate sensitivity and makes some careful choices.

There are places online where declassified flight manuals are available and I am happy if we point members to those locations. (I am on my phone at the moment and don’t have my bookmarks available.)

Thank you for understanding!

— Shaken - out —


On Jan 16, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Mpipes via groups.io <MPipes@...> wrote:


I did a history project on tanks in the 8th grade years ago.  I was going nuts trying to get more detailed data on modern tanks.  The UK MOD and the Soviet Embassy proved among the most helpful.  As I recall, I got a personal letter from the USSR military attaché with most of the info I was looking for in a concise table.  The FBI actually launched an inquiry on me!

I'm inclined to think this is a kid in China working on a school project.  By way of responding with a helpful suggestion, there are declassified flight manuals and other information available online.  Perhaps an online search using Chinese version of Google will get you the information you want.  Wikipedia is pretty helpful.

Malcolm Pipes
(214)679-8318
 


On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:25:21 AM CST, Ethan McKinney <ethan.mckinney@...> wrote:


I'm hoping this is a request for a declassified manual, not an invitation to engage in espionage by sending decrypted material to the PRC.

(I'm also very confused about the age of middle school students in the PRC.)

"RUSH"


Greg Wurster
 

I don't think that gray area actually exists.

Something which is secret, but somehow out in the open, is still classified.  I believe you can get in trouble for further dissemination of it.

There does appear to be a gray area as to what you can get away with if you are the President, which may have some entertainment value in the near future.


Greg Wurster



-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Markgraf via groups.io <philip_markgraf@...>
To: airbattle@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2023 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [airbattle] F-16 operation manual

We do not have an officially stated policy (and perhaps we should.) The important thing is that we do not have any information that should be any state’s secret or might affect operational security. Since the topics of our game do have details that are secret, we are careful to stay away from content that might be in a gray area (should be secret, but is somehow available.)

Thank you for understanding.

And I hope my response was not rude. That has not been my intention.

— Shaken - out —



On Jan 16, 2023, at 6:34 AM, Wang Zichen <www1145141216@...> wrote:

I'm sorry, I didn't know I couldn't ask such questions. I'm really sorry.


Thomas Russ
 



On Mon, Jan 16, 2023, 12:36 PM Greg Wurster via groups.io <GAWURSTER=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't think that gray area actually exists.

Something which is secret, but somehow out in the open, is still classified.  I believe you can get in trouble for further dissemination of it.

The Pentagon Papers case and sequelae suggests that this is still a gray area at best, as long as you did not solicit the breach of classification. So I can see a desire to steer well clear of the issue 


There does appear to be a gray area as to what you can get away with if you are the President, which may have some entertainment value in the near future.


Greg Wurster



-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Markgraf via groups.io <philip_markgraf=mac.com@groups.io>
To: airbattle@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2023 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [airbattle] F-16 operation manual

We do not have an officially stated policy (and perhaps we should.) The important thing is that we do not have any information that should be any state’s secret or might affect operational security. Since the topics of our game do have details that are secret, we are careful to stay away from content that might be in a gray area (should be secret, but is somehow available.)

Thank you for understanding.

And I hope my response was not rude. That has not been my intention.

— Shaken - out —



On Jan 16, 2023, at 6:34 AM, Wang Zichen <www1145141216@...> wrote:

I'm sorry, I didn't know I couldn't ask such questions. I'm really sorry.


Greg Wurster
 

I think it depends on who you work for.


Greg Wurster



-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Russ <taruss2000@...>
To: airbattle@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2023 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: [airbattle] F-16 operation manual



On Mon, Jan 16, 2023, 12:36 PM Greg Wurster via groups.io <GAWURSTER=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't think that gray area actually exists.

Something which is secret, but somehow out in the open, is still classified.  I believe you can get in trouble for further dissemination of it.

The Pentagon Papers case and sequelae suggests that this is still a gray area at best, as long as you did not solicit the breach of classification. So I can see a desire to steer well clear of the issue 


There does appear to be a gray area as to what you can get away with if you are the President, which may have some entertainment value in the near future.


Greg Wurster



-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Markgraf via groups.io <philip_markgraf=mac.com@groups.io>
To: airbattle@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2023 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [airbattle] F-16 operation manual

We do not have an officially stated policy (and perhaps we should.) The important thing is that we do not have any information that should be any state’s secret or might affect operational security. Since the topics of our game do have details that are secret, we are careful to stay away from content that might be in a gray area (should be secret, but is somehow available.)

Thank you for understanding.

And I hope my response was not rude. That has not been my intention.

— Shaken - out —



On Jan 16, 2023, at 6:34 AM, Wang Zichen <www1145141216@...> wrote:

I'm sorry, I didn't know I couldn't ask such questions. I'm really sorry.


Gorka Martinez Mezo
 

It’s not difficult to find declassified flight manuals, although they may be not too enlightening. NATOPS for Navy aircraft are probably the most complete from a dynamic point of view.

On the F-16, I have seem several manuals available for sale including exotics like the NATO F-16AM series

Gorka


Kevin Thatcher
 

Kind of makes me wonder what exactly they are teaching Middle School students in the PRC......


Wang Zichen
 

Guys, this is my history extra homework. I'm not a spy.
(In PRC, Twelve to seventeen years old are all middle school students.)


 

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 06:42 PM, Wang Zichen wrote:
Guys, this is my history extra homework. I'm not a spy.
Of course, that's exactly what a spy would say. 
🤔😉🤣🤣🤣
 
--
"Origami"


Philip Markgraf
 

Hopefully it comes through that John is making a joke. (The laughing emoticons are meant to help. The phrase he used is a common joke in English., but that might not translate well for non-native speakers.)

Good luck with your history assignment.


On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:46 AM, John Coley via groups.io <lisendir@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 06:42 PM, Wang Zichen wrote:
Guys, this is my history extra homework. I'm not a spy.
Of course, that's exactly what a spy would say. 
🤔😉🤣🤣🤣
 
--
"Origami"


John Carr
 

On Jan 21, 2023, at 13:42, Wang Zichen via groups.io <www1145141216@...> wrote:

Guys, this is my history extra homework. I'm not a spy.
(In PRC, Twelve to seventeen years old are all middle school students.)


Thomas Russ
 

Not Email, but there are some resources available on the internet, if you have access.

One is a flight simulator game manual for the F-16. Not an official flight manual, but it shows how to fly the aircraft in the game. It is about 600 pages long: https://www.f-16.net/downloads/Falcon_4_Manuals/f4_manual.pdf
There are also other downloads at that site (https://www.f-16.net/downloads_F16handbooks.html), which is dedicated to the F-16. It also has other information as well, so you might try looking at 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:22 AM John Carr <jfc@...> wrote:
Of course you aren't a spy.  The spies are in the War Thunder forums.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a42573614/war-thunder-players-share-classified-documents-f16-leak/

> On Jan 21, 2023, at 13:42, Wang Zichen via groups.io <www1145141216=163.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Guys, this is my history extra homework. I'm not a spy.
> (In PRC, Twelve to seventeen years old are all middle school students.)
>







gillesdiharce@...
 

Look at BMS 4.37 for falcon 4.0 simulator. You will have many very detailed documents on the aircraft and his weapon system.