On Jan 23, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Kyle Stoddard <kstoddard2@...> wrote:



You still in Utah Michael?

Kyle

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From: airbattle@groups.io <airbattle@groups.io> on behalf of Michael Scott <eagle707@...>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 11:33 AM
To: airbattle@groups.io <airbattle@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [airbattle] Other systems

 

MiG KiLLERS came about pretty much the same path BoP took. I started out in miniature games and when Richthofen's War came out, i and my fellow Airmen at Udorn RTAFB ate it up at the local USO. A teenager whose dad flew Air America C-123 Providers brought it to the USO and we had that table surrounded. Extended aerial combat lasted many hours! When I returned to the states, I was based at Shepard AFB, TX and ordered Foxbat & Phantom. I was RIFed in 74 and went home to Utah where I hooked up with Rocky Russo and between us we created MiG KiLLERS. MK was more than just MiG Alley- it covered all jet combat up through the late 79's and while the criticisms leveled against it are perfectly valid, I submit that MiG KiLLERS was the first air combat game that attempted to show and manage energy.

I thought Air War was a bit much (we called it a forest in a box), Flight Leader/Check Six was okay, and Air Force/Dauntless was fun. J.D.'s games were very well done as well. BoP is probably the peak of what can be done on a table-top with cardboard and I still strive to master it (as those who attended Pensacola can well attest).

I am very much looking forward to trying out the new computer.

"Hydro"

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:14:46 PM CST, Waters, Michael A (Flight Vehicle Performance AIR 4322) CIV USN NAWCAD (USA) <michael.a.waters36.civ@...> wrote:

But "Flight Leader" *looked* so damn good.  I kept is for a long time just for the mounted map that came with it, before giving it away.  And for the BVR fight it didn’t suck.  But at (and after) the merge, it had ... issues.

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From: airbattle@groups.io <airbattle@groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Markgraf via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 12:22 AM
To: airbattle@groups.io
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [airbattle] Other systems

Perfectly fine question.

Air War in particular got played a TON by the people who created Birds of Prey. I kind of skipped Flight Leader, as Air Superiority had already come out and was clearly superior over both Air War and Flight Leader… for what I was looking for.

Air War’s flight model was not as good as Air Superiority, while being harder to play.

Flight Leader was more abstract than I was interested in, and I didn’t really play it more than once or twice.

— Shaken - out —


> On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:27 PM, gwishik via groups.io <gwishik=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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> Not sure if moderators will allow this to be answered. 
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> It seems as if many present in this group are way more knowledgeable about jet flight / combat than the average 'gamer'.  So, answers would probably  be very well constructed.
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> Any thoughts on the systems used for SPI / TSR Air War, or AH Flight Leader?

On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:27 PM, gwishik via groups.io <gwishik@...> wrote:

Not sure if moderators will allow this to be answered.


It seems as if many present in this group are way more knowledgeable about jet flight / combat than the average 'gamer'. So, answers would probably be very well constructed.


Any thoughts on the systems used for SPI / TSR Air War, or AH Flight Leader?