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Charles Thomas
 

Hello all,

Just wondering if one of us is the new result in process at YFull? Joel Hartley and I are currently there on the R-Z16351 branch, but a new number is listed there with "Analysis in progress..."

Thanks again to Jared for starting this group, and to Jared and Joel for allthe analysis.

I couldn't figure out how to reply to the topic thread regarding Thomas Goff's results, so I will say here congrats on getting your results and they help each of us in discovering our origins.

Charles Thomas

James Bennett
 

I'm in the queue

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Just wondering if one of us is the new result in process at YFull? Joel Hartley and I are currently there on the R-Z16351 branch, but a new number is listed there with "Analysis in progress..."

Thanks again to Jared for starting this group, and to Jared and Joel for allthe analysis.

I couldn't figure out how to reply to the topic thread regarding Thomas Goff's results, so I will say here congrats on getting your results and they help each of us in discovering our origins.

Charles Thomas

Charles Thomas
 

Thanks James, BY11573 cousin




From: Z16357@groups.io <Z16357@groups.io> on behalf of James Bennett <james@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:42 AM
To: Z16357@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Z16357] YFull
 
I'm in the queue

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Just wondering if one of us is the new result in process at YFull? Joel Hartley and I are currently there on the R-Z16351 branch, but a new number is listed there with "Analysis in progress..."

Thanks again to Jared for starting this group, and to Jared and Joel for allthe analysis.

I couldn't figure out how to reply to the topic thread regarding Thomas Goff's results, so I will say here congrats on getting your results and they help each of us in discovering our origins.

Charles Thomas

James Bennett
 

Results are in -- I'm not sure I've learned anything new though.  Well, the TMRCA is new to me.

Y-Haplogroup:R-Z16351 
Terminal SNPs:FGC33419 • Z16343 • Z16344 • Z16345 • Z16347 • Z16348 • Z16349 • Z16350 • Z16351 • Z16352 • Z16353 • Z16354 • Z16355 • Z16357 • Z16358 • Z16855 • Z16856 • Z17911 • Z17912


MRCA branchTMRCA CI 95% ybpMost distant ancestor [i]    Country of origin [i]    IDPMTerminal HgShared
SNPs
Assumed
shared SNPs
All shared
SNPs
R-Z163511250 (1950<->750)YF07295R-Z16351  44  3276
R-Z163511250 (1950<->750)YF06110R-Z16351  43  3073

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Thanks James, BY11573 cousin




From: Z16357@groups.io <Z16357@groups.io> on behalf of James Bennett <james@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:42 AM
To: Z16357@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Z16357] YFull
 
I'm in the queue

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Just wondering if one of us is the new result in process at YFull? Joel Hartley and I are currently there on the R-Z16351 branch, but a new number is listed there with "Analysis in progress..."

Thanks again to Jared for starting this group, and to Jared and Joel for allthe analysis.

I couldn't figure out how to reply to the topic thread regarding Thomas Goff's results, so I will say here congrats on getting your results and they help each of us in discovering our origins.

Charles Thomas


Jared Smith
 

James -

Thanks for letting us know. I don't see your results yet being considered in the age calculations though. I was really hoping they'd break up this block - they have everything from Z16357 down through the tips of the branches in one big 3000+ year block.

Maybe there's something I'm missing or things you guys see as paying customers, but I sure don't see much value in YFull and their tree certainly leaves much to be desired.

Jared


On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:18 PM, James Bennett <james@...> wrote:
Results are in -- I'm not sure I've learned anything new though.  Well, the TMRCA is new to me.

Y-Haplogroup:R-Z16351 
Terminal SNPs:FGC33419 • Z16343 • Z16344 • Z16345 • Z16347 • Z16348 • Z16349 • Z16350 • Z16351 • Z16352 • Z16353 • Z16354 • Z16355 • Z16357 • Z16358 • Z16855 • Z16856 • Z17911 • Z17912


MRCA branchTMRCA CI 95% ybpMost distant ancestor [i]    Country of origin [i]    IDPMTerminal HgShared
SNPs
Assumed
shared SNPs
All shared
SNPs
R-Z163511250 (1950<->750)YF07295R-Z16351  44  3276
R-Z163511250 (1950<->750)YF06110R-Z16351  43  3073

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Thanks James, BY11573 cousin




From: Z16357@groups.io <Z16357@groups.io> on behalf of James Bennett <james@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:42 AM
To: Z16357@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Z16357] YFull
 
I'm in the queue

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Just wondering if one of us is the new result in process at YFull? Joel Hartley and I are currently there on the R-Z16351 branch, but a new number is listed there with "Analysis in progress..."

Thanks again to Jared for starting this group, and to Jared and Joel for allthe analysis.

I couldn't figure out how to reply to the topic thread regarding Thomas Goff's results, so I will say here congrats on getting your results and they help each of us in discovering our origins.

Charles Thomas



Charles Thomas
 


Hi James,

I was thinking your results might be compared with Joel's and mine and a new branch and new TMRCA estimates be presented at YFull but I don't see it yet. Maybe more is on the way, or maybe not. There is a Novel SNPs button on the left side of the page and then you can download and save the file. I'm attaching my novel SNP file. Maybe there's something interesting in it that Jared or Joel could find.

Charles

Joel Hartley
 

Hi all,

Here is my version at YFull:



I show a slightly closer match to Bennett than Thomas.

The YTree was last updated January 4th. I'm not sure how often they update it. I'm not sure how it would be updated. As they don't have Pillsbury and Hayes in their database, they won't show that branching.

Joel

On 1/28/2017 9:33 PM, Jared Smith wrote:
James -

Thanks for letting us know. I don't see your results yet being considered in the age calculations though. I was really hoping they'd break up this block - they have everything from Z16357 down through the tips of the branches in one big 3000+ year block.

Maybe there's something I'm missing or things you guys see as paying customers, but I sure don't see much value in YFull and their tree certainly leaves much to be desired.

Jared


On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:18 PM, James Bennett <james@...> wrote:
Results are in -- I'm not sure I've learned anything new though.  Well, the TMRCA is new to me.

Y-Haplogroup: R-Z16351 
Terminal SNPs: FGC33419 • Z16343 • Z16344 • Z16345 • Z16347 • Z16348 • Z16349 • Z16350 • Z16351 • Z16352 • Z16353 • Z16354 • Z16355 • Z16357 • Z16358 • Z16855 • Z16856 • Z17911 • Z17912


MRCA branch TMRCA CI 95% ybp Most distant ancestor [i]     Country of origin [i]     ID
PM Terminal Hg Shared
SNPs
Assumed
shared SNPs
All shared
SNPs
R-Z16351 1250 (1950<->750)

YF07295
R-Z16351   44   32 76
R-Z16351 1250 (1950<->750)

YF06110
R-Z16351   43   30 73

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Thanks James, BY11573 cousin




From: Z16357@groups.io <Z16357@groups.io> on behalf of James Bennett <james@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:42 AM
To: Z16357@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Z16357] YFull
 
I'm in the queue

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Just wondering if one of us is the new result in process at YFull? Joel Hartley and I are currently there on the R-Z16351 branch, but a new number is listed there with "Analysis in progress..."

Thanks again to Jared for starting this group, and to Jared and Joel for allthe analysis.

I couldn't figure out how to reply to the topic thread regarding Thomas Goff's results, so I will say here congrats on getting your results and they help each of us in discovering our origins.

Charles Thomas




Jared Smith
 

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Joel Hartley <joel@...> wrote:

The YTree was last updated January 4th. I'm not sure how often they update it. I'm not sure how it would be updated. As they don't have Pillsbury and Hayes in their database, they won't show that branching.
This is a fundamental limitation of YFull - they use such a limited
set of available data to determine their tree - only results of those
who have purchased their analysis. They won't know about other known
SNPs and branches that have been verified elsewhere. This really
limits their ability to estimate timelines. Big Tree uses a much
larger sample of FGC/Big-Y testers, but doesn't attempt time
estimates. FTDNA's tree uses Big-Y and SNP pack/test results, but is
very conservative. ISOGG tries to be more authoritative, but lags
behind other known trees due to their high scrutiny and complex
submission process.

Fortunately they each provide something a bit unique - it just takes a
lot of analysis to pull from them what is most useful.

As an FYI, you can compare your YFull Novel SNPs list to Alex's list
to see which SNPs match at both sites - and which are named SNPs. For
example, YFS2491169 (which is position 21390000 - G>A from YFull's
spreadsheet for Thomas) is found to be the FGC33968 SNP at the Big
Tree - http://www.ytree.net/SNPinfoForPerson.php?personID=413

Joel, you'll notice that you have 11 unique/private/novel SNPs from
very good read areas -
http://www.ytree.net/SNPinfoForPerson.php?personID=3839 All are named
A111nn by Thomas Krahn. I use A11130 to describe this entire block
because that's the SNP FTDNA added to their SNP pack. Using the
*rough* estimate of 144 years per SNP, this block represents ~1584
years. Because Z17911 is around this old, these SNPs likely represent
the vast majority of your line's SNP mutations between Z17911 and
present day. A distant Hartley Big-Y would likely solidify these SNPs
on the tree and establish a pretty good timeline and SNP framework for
this line of your surname.

Jared