New messages to the discussion list can be sent to Z16357@groups.io Subscribe by e-mailing Z16357+subscribe@groups.io or go to https://groups.io/g/Z16357 The Z16357 project web site is http://dna.smit

I've just updated and uploaded new STR and GD spreadsheets - http://dna.smithplanet.com/str I tried to position people based on rough groupings. Sorting the GD spreadsheet by column provides the best

Thomas Goff's SNP pack results are in and he has moved way down to the tips of the Z17911 branch. He is both BY11573+ (currently with Thomas, Bennett, and Merrick) and also BY11565+ which is only Merr

James - Here's a long writeup that may be helpful. STR mutations are passed down from father to son, with a change in an STR value happening every few generations (more or less). Analyzing STRs can te

Charles - This gives me some more people to research and add to the spreadsheet. Thanks for letting me know about them. And I hadn't yet explored Ysearch for matches, but will do so. And Mike W. has a

Charles - I think the Martyns I have on my spreadsheet are different than the two Martins you're referring to (Dan and Wyatt), because these Martyns are fairly distantly related to Chuck Martin - the

Here's another quick update... I've updated the STR and GD spreadsheets. I changed the STR spreadsheet to utilize DYS389b for slightly better accuracy - details at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/

Charles - I was only peripherally aware of the SMGF database. It's a bad deal what happened to it. It wasn't an LDS-only project, though they did focus aspects of it to LDS church members because of f

Thomas - Thanks for checking in. I've been e-mailing Don Gilroy. Maybe hold off on reaching out to Wesley Martin until we get the SNP pack results in from Chuck Martin (he's subscribed to this list).

James - Thanks for letting us know. I don't see your results yet being considered in the age calculations though. I was really hoping they'd break up this block - they have everything from Z16357 down

There are really four levels of reporting for each SNP: positive, negative, maybe, and no coverage. The 'maybe' results (this is my terminology, not FTDNA's) are markers where you show the SNP in your

To add a some additional thoughts on this... - You can see the four SNP test result states in Alex's mutations matrix at the Big Tree. - How do we know Thomas and Bennett are BY11573 if their results

This is a fundamental limitation of YFull - they use such a limited set of available data to determine their tree - only results of those who have purchased their analysis. They won't know about other

Then scratch what I posted before - though this is the logic used for positioning on the tree. I recall now that I had written earlier about these 2 SNPs. These are both known SNPs, but for totally di

Charles - Nothing yet. I'll follow up with them soon. Thanks, Jared

Joel noted on the R-L513 list that YFull has updated their tree based on Bennett's results - https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S5668/ R-Z16351 is our branch (what I call Z16357). They have Joel alone at th

I'd like to welcome Michael Hartley to the group. He has kit #617805 and has recently done the Y67 DNA test. He likely shows as a match to some of you (he is GD=7 to me at Y67). I've added him to the

As a quick follow-up, Merrick's BAM file was analyzed by FTDNA and they've confirmed that Merrick is positive for Y29969, so this confirms my suspicion that it is equivalent to BY11573. This also mean

My Big-Y results (kit #307773) are in. I am firmly (still) at R-Z17911. I had hoped that I would share some private/novel SNPs with Hartley, or maybe a few with Bennett or Thomas, but it appears that

Yes, I now form a new theoretical branch from Z17911 (well, theoretical until I can get a closer cousin to test). My branch will be a sibling to your Hartley branch, which is a sibling to the BY11573