Re: Mike Hartley BigY

Charles Thomas

Great work, Joel. Cool tree.


From: <> on behalf of Joel Hartley <joel@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Z16357] Mike Hartley BigY
Hi Charles,

You are right. Mike is actually off the chart on my matches. I think that he is a GD of 8 and the 67 STR cutoff is 7. I'm guessing that the connection is quite a ways back. Here is the last STR tree that I have worked on:

It shows some Hartleys with lesser GDs to me on the right as being more distantly related. This is due to the different mutation factors in the STRs. They vary by as much as 350 times from each other. The Quaker Hartley is Mike. He is on a subbranch on the left. The 455 STR is the very slow moving STR. I based the two main branches on that STR for the Hartleys.


On 3/15/2017 2:10 PM, Charles Thomas wrote:

Hey Joel,

Mike Hartley is listed on my match list with 0 shared novel variants,

0 non-matching known SNPs, and 25,684 matching SNPs.

Is Mike 31/37 and 59/67 with you? My Thomas match with whom

I share the ancestor James Thomas b. abt 1760 is 66/67 with me.

So I'm thinking that your and Mike's shared Hartley ancestor could

be much farther back in time. Yet STRs can change at any time, and it's

just the average mutation rate per STR that are known so maybe your

shared ancestor is more recent than I'm guessing. I'm sure Jared's

analysis of the SNPs will be helpful.

Best regards,


From: <> on behalf of Joel Hartley <joel@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:28 AM
Subject: [Z16357] Mike Hartley BigY
I notice a new BigY match today with Mike Hartley. I'm not as good as
Jared as figuring out what the matches mean. For example, there are 5
SNPs which Charles Thomas and I have that others don't have. I don't see
any SNPs I share with Mike Hartley that I don't share with others.


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