Re: New Thomas/Martin branch

Charles Thomas

Hi Jared,

No, unfortunately I don't have contact info for Ben Evans (VU8W9). I messaged him twice in the past when the form was working but no reply either time. Hopefully the contact form will be operational again soon.

Just now I found the following 12/12 match with Ben Evans: 2BVJN. Of course, we don't know if other markers would be a match, but this might also be someone to try to contact if the form gets up and running again.

The Griffin (121779) in the Evans project (24/25 with Ben Evans if I'm counting 389-1 and 389-2 correctly) would seem to be 6R777 at ysearch, and the ysearch contact person seems to be one and the same as the contact person for this tree:

Hopefully she would reply.

One more piece of information: J43M8 Cooper at ysearch is a 34/37 match with Ben Evans.

Thank you very much for your work on this,


From: <> on behalf of Jared Smith <jared@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Z16357] New Thomas/Martin branch
Charles -

I've tried to contact the Evans match from ySearch, but their contact form has broken broken for weeks and I can't get anyone from FTDNA (they run ySearch) to respond to my inquiries about it. Do you happen to have other contact information for Ben Evans? If his posted most distant ancestor dating to the 1100s in Wales is correct, and if he were on our branch of the tree, getting him tested could be very significant to our research.

Jared Smith

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Awesome news! Thanks for all your work, Jared! Glad to be on the same branch of the tree with you, Chuck! (Assuming your name Chuck is for Charles, that makes two Charles on this branch.)

According to Jared's time estimate, Chuck's and my MRCA must have lived somewhere in the 1300 - 1500 CE timeframe. Is there a tradition in your family, Chuck, of the country of origin of your Martin ancestry? There was no specific tradition in mine for my Thomas family, but a near match with an Evans who emigrated from Carmarthenshire Wales - actually I don't think they call them "shires" in Wales anymore but I forgot the exact term - has made me think that my Thomas Y-line ancestry was likely also from Wales, at least at some point in time in the past. This reminds me to try to locate my notes regarding this Evans match. (The man had tested via SMGF which no longer makes results available online and I had noted the similarity in STR results when checking various databases a few years ago.) I'll let you know if I find my notes.

Charles Thomas

From: <> on behalf of Jared Smith <jared@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:56 AM
Subject: [Z16357] New Thomas/Martin branch
The S5668 SNP pack results are in for Chuck Martin and they confirm a
new Thomas/Martin branch of the tree.

First, I had indicated Chuck's kit # previously as 161394. That was
incorrect. His actual kit # is 495859.

One of Thomas' (previously) unique SNPs is FGC33966. FTDNA included
this SNP in the S5668 SNP Pack. Chuck Martin is positive for FGC33966
(and also BY11573), thus verifying this new branch!

I've updated my charts at to reflect

SNP Overview. By analyzing certain SNP mutations that developed in men long ago and were then passed to their descendants today, we can begin to build a family tree ...

the new branching (you may need to hit Refresh). You'll notice that we
currently don't have anyone left right at S59969/BY11573 - they've all
moved to downstream blocks in just the last few weeks due to new test

This places the common Thomas/Martin ancestor at probably 500-700
years ago. It's likely that Thomas and Martin also share some of
Thomas' other 'unique' SNPs - such as FGC33968 and FGC33967 - see Each new SNP
match would move your common ancestor 100+ years closer to present
day. But you are GD=6 at Y67, so this does suggest that your common
ancestor is still probably at least a few hundred years back, and that
we got lucky and hit gold with your FGC33966 SNP match.

In other news, I see that FTDNA has updated their tree with some of
our recent changes (I'll request that FGC33966 be added). If I'm
reading it correctly, the new terminal SNP for Bennett and Phillips (I
currently have as ??? on my charts) is labelled BY15420. They also
list BY15419 upstream of this and BY11565, but I'm not sure what this
SNP is. I'll try to figure it out.

Discovering new branches is what this project is about, and new ones
always make my day!



PS - Chuck, I don't see you in the Martin project. Maybe try
re-joining - or maybe something odd is happening there.

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