Re: Project update
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Appreciate all the work. I travel quite a bit and haven't really kept up with all the dialog. Is there anything I can do? I looked up my matches, should I reach out to Wesley Martin and Donald Gilroy?
From: Charles Thomas <charles_002@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Z16357] Project update
Looks great, Jared. The Griffin #121779, however, has 19 at DYS458 but that's still a very close match with the ones you included. It would be great if #121779 could be contacted and persuaded to update his results to 37, 67, or 111, or BigY or SNP packs.
NC is where I am currently researching my James Thomas. He is likely the one in Wayne County, NC, 1790, but as of yet I have no place of birth. (Ancestry indexes him as being in Johnston County in 1790, but he is actually on the last page of Wayne county.) He may or may not be related to the other Thomases in the same county that year. I'm continuing to look for paper trails.
I wrote to several near-matches this afternoon. I hope it will get good results. I also checked my 12-marker near-matches and two of them are listed as L513: Riley and "J.E." I wrote them also. Maybe "J.E." is Evans??? Or maybe not. Hopefully we will find out.
From: Z16357@groups.io <Z16357@groups.io> on behalf of Jared Smith <jared@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Z16357] Project update
I was only peripherally aware of the SMGF database. It's a bad deal what happened to it. It wasn't an LDS-only project, though they did focus aspects of it to LDS church members because of fairly close family lines and extensive genealogical documentation.
I did not add the #121779 Griffin. I've limited my spreadsheet to those with Y37+ to increase accuracy and decrease bloat. But the #285685 Griffin we do have listed is a 25/25 match with #121779.
I looked to see if the Evans from ySearch is in the Evans FTDNA surname project. He's not, but out of curiosity, I analyzed STRs for all ~200 people in the project who have tested to Y37+. Three are relatively close to our haplotype - 71435, 290595, and 281131. I've added these to the online spreadsheets (http://dna.smithplanet.com/ str).
One thing I look for is people that have a lower GD to those of us lower on the Z16357 branch than Smith at the top - this would suggest they are most likely downstream from Z16357. These men fit this pattern. If you check them out (at the bottom of the GDs spreadsheet), you'll see an interesting pattern. The Evans from ySearch (YS-VU8W9) is a remarkably close match to almost everyone in the spreadsheet (except the Smiths, etc. at the top)! The three other Evans are more distant, but also about equally matched throughout the spreadsheet. They don't associate closely with some other known surname or SNP cluster like others do.
I'm quite intrigued by this. It could suggest a distinct Evans line that branches off near Z17911. Either way, the ySearch Evans is certainly of high interest to our project - especially if he can trace his line that far back.
Another VERY strong pattern I'm seeing is genealogical ties to North Carolina. The Phillips/Vaughn/Watkins/ Griffin/Evans/etc. people almost all have ties to Northern North Carolina, Virginia, and a few surrounding states. Many list distant ancestors that lived within ~100 miles of each other. I can't see how this could be a coincidence. This may indicate a closely related family or geographical relationship in the British Isles, and then emigration together to this region.
Connecting these lines genealogically could be very valuable for us. I'm hoping to get some more Phillips and Vaughan testers once we get Brent's results.
STR analysis also shows two distinct Vaughn/Vaughan STR groupings with Phillips between them. This *may* suggest that the Phillips branched from the Vaughn/Vaughan line.
On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote: