Re: Project update

Charles Thomas

HI Jared,

Did you add Griffin #121779? Only 25 markers listed but 22/25 or 21/25 with me depending on interpretation of 464.

Yes, I would be glad to write the Lewises and Ferneyhough and Dean. I will cc you. Ferneyhough lists Joseph Ferneyhough 1750-1801 as MDKA. Both Ferneyhough and Dean are listed only as R-M269, no trees linked.

I noted that interesting Evans info also, but a few months ago I figured out that the name and dates were askew. I'll look up my notes.

Were you familiar with SMGF, Sorenson Molecular Genealogical Foundation? The database is inaccessible now. It is LDS and I am not, but a few years ago I was able to search it and found another near-match with an Evans who emigrated from Carmarthen, Wales, to the US in the 1800s. From Kidwelly, I think. I'll have to look for my paper notes on that near-match also, but I think it was a nearer match than with the above Evans.


From: <> on behalf of Jared Smith <jared@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Z16357] Project update
Here's another quick update...

I've updated the STR and GD spreadsheets. I changed the STR spreadsheet to utilize DYS389b for slightly better accuracy - details at This made some minor changes to the GD spreadsheet.

Charles, do you have any additional details (ancestor names, terminal SNP, etc.) for Dean and Ferneyhough? I don't see them anywhere else, so can't find their STRs to check them.

I did add your Evans and Lewis matches to the spreadsheets. They're close matches to you and the Martyn people, so likely in one of our haplogroups. Of particular interest is that Evans lists his ancestor as being born 1170 in Ireland. I do hope you hear back from him, and perhaps you could contact the Lewis matches as well.


On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Jared Smith <jared@...> wrote:
Charles -

I think the Martyns I have on my spreadsheet are different than the two Martins you're referring to (Dan and Wyatt), because these Martyns are fairly distantly related to Chuck Martin - the only one with the Martin surname I have listed. I'll see if I can find info on the others and would appreciate any additional information you can provide (particularly kit #s if you have them).



On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Charles Thomas <charles_002@...> wrote:

Thanks, Jared, that sounds great.

Could it be that the Martyn people are different than the Martin father and son (Dan and Wyatt)? Or maybe there's a misunderstanding on my part. It was my understanding from Dan that Chuck was a nearly identical yDNA STR match to him and his son but that they had thus far been unable to find their shared ancestor.

I looked up my most recent correspondence with Dan Martin in December when I let him know of the S5668 SNP pack. I don't know whether he ordered. If I write him again may I include your email address if he has further questions? I know that he was somewhat skeptical of the percentage probabilities of relatedness within so many generations. 


From: <> on behalf of Jared Smith <jared@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Z16357] Project update
Charles -

This gives me some more people to research and add to the spreadsheet. Thanks for letting me know about them. And I hadn't yet explored Ysearch for matches, but will do so. And Mike W. has a new spreadsheet out with more people too. I'll try to get through these this weekend.

Just to be sure we're on the same page, the two Martyn people (222341 and 206941) are different than Chuck Martin (161394). Chuck is subscribed to this mailing list and has ordered the SNP pack. We'll know his place on the tree very soon.

The Martyn people and Martin are GD=9 from each other, so fairly distantly related. But Charles, you're right in the middle of them as far as your STR results go (GD=4 or 5 from each), so it would look to you like they're probably more closely related than they actually are. I was going to wait until Chuck's results come back, then contact the Martyn people to see if they're interested in testing as well.



On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Joel Hartley <joel@...> wrote:
That meets the numbers that Mike Walsh has for the "J" group in L513 which I take to be the same as the Z17911 Group.


On 1/26/2017 1:11 PM, Charles Thomas wrote:

PPS: I have an Evans match at ysearch, gd5 from me at 37 markers. I tried to contact him but no reply as of yet.


DYS 393 DYS 390 DYS 19/394 DYS 391 DYS 385a DYS 385b DYS 426 DYS 388 DYS 439 DYS 389-1
13 25 14 11 11 14 12 12 13 14
DYS 392 DYS 389-2 DYS 458 DYS 459a DYS 459b DYS 455 DYS 454 DYS 447 DYS 437 DYS 448
13 30 19 9 10 11 11 25 15 19
DYS 449 DYS 464a DYS 464b DYS 464c DYS 464d DYS 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb DYS 456
31 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15
DYS 607 DYS 576 DYS 570 CDY a CDY b DYS 442 DYS 438
15 17 17 38 38 12 12

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