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Contact! (Sort of)

CatzMeow
 

AO-51 was passing over while I was waiting for my take-out to be ready, so I thought I'd listen in. After finding it, I threw out my call sign just for kicks, wasn't really thinking it would hit the bird as I have an almost stock antenna.

And then I heard something close to my call sign come back to me...and I figured out "they're talking to me!!"

And then I totally choked. I'm new to the ham hobby, not just to satellites, so doing a contact is new and clunky on regular radio, much less at the lightning speed these guys talk as they pass over.

I couldn't remember the call signs that were thrown back at me (sorry everyone), but I'll get better...promise.

Anyway, it was totally a "I wouldn't have believed it if I wasn't there" thing, talking through a repeater 500 miles up...way fun. Thanks for all the help, I'm sure I'll need some more help soon.

-Ed-

Re: AO-51 QRP Question

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

Does that mean it will go back to 'normal' (below) tomorrow?
It has been in V/U all month ... and with JOTA coming up, I am sure it will maintain either V/U and/or QRP V/U for the next few days.

Clint

Re: AO-51 QRP Question

CatzMeow
 

Sorry, I was looking at the Satellite Status  page on AmSat and didn't see the bit about the symposium.  Does that mean it will go back to 'normal' (below) tomorrow?

Mode V/U (J) FM Voice Repeater (QRP): Operational
Uplink: 145.8800 MHz FM
Downlink 435.1500 MHz FM

I'm still figuring everything out, like checking the command team news,  so I certainly appreciate your time.

Thanks,

Ed


--- In Work-Sat@..., "K6LCS" wrote:
>
> > On AmSat, they show a QRP freq of 435.150...would that be better for the FT-60?
>
> That's the downlink if you're working 1.2gHZ on the uplink.
>
> Per the Operations Calendar -
>
> October 5 - October 12 AMSAT Symposium week
>
> FM Repeater, V/U
> Uplink: 145.920 MHz FM
> Downlink: 435.300 MHz FM
>
> 9k6 BBS, L/U
> Uplink: 1268.700 MHz 9k6 FM
> Downlink: 435.150 MHz 9k6 FM
>
> Clint
>

Re: AO-51 QRP Question

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

On AmSat, they show a QRP freq of 435.150...would that be better for the FT-60?
That's the downlink if you're working 1.2gHZ on the uplink.

Per the Operations Calendar -

October 5 - October 12 AMSAT Symposium week

FM Repeater, V/U
Uplink: 145.920 MHz FM
Downlink: 435.300 MHz FM

9k6 BBS, L/U
Uplink: 1268.700 MHz 9k6 FM
Downlink: 435.150 MHz 9k6 FM

Clint

AO-51 QRP Question

CatzMeow
 

Ok, so...

AO-51 had a pretty good pass just now (for me, anyway >30 degrees).

I was able to hear pretty clearly with just my FT-60 and a Diamond SRH77CFA antenna. I have a smiley on order, and I'm thinking of the Arrow, but dunno if I'm ready to drop 100+ yet. I tried transmitting, but really, there wasn't enough of a break in the action for anyone to hear me.

My question is this:

On the document "Work Satellites with your HT", Clint lists the RX frequency for AO-51 as 435.300.

On AmSat, they show a QRP freq of 435.150...would that be better for the FT-60?

Thanks for your help.

-Ed-

Re: Pro-Sat question

CatzMeow
 

K, figured it out...

The "sight" limitation question was about making it show me birds even if the sun is out. I changed the "Sun Max Elevation" field to "90", I think that did it.

I was missing "AO-50" because it's actually "SO-50"...

I do have a question about AO-51, though...but I'll post that in a different thread.

Thanks for your help.

--- In Work-Sat@..., "K6LCS" <clintbrad4d@...> wrote:

Is there a way to remove the 'sight' limitation ...
Under Preferences, I have entered "5" degrees for Minimum Elevation.

... I can hit the birds during daylight hours (I'm guessing interference would be greater, but it's still possible, no?)
Day or evening, the FM birds work well!

... I can't seem to find AO-50 on the list, is it hiding somewhere?
If you are downloading the "Amateur Radio" set, it's listed as "Echo (AO-51)."

... What does the following mean: AOS ...
ACQUISITION of Signal - as the sat rises ...

... TCA ...
Time of Closest Approach - when the sat is closest to you.

... LOS?
Loss of Signal - as the bird descends.


Clint

Re: sats location plus names to work

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

i need a list of sats to work anyone have them..
What modes are you ready for?

If you're ready for 440 band downlink and 2 meter band uplink, then use my tutorial for AO-51 and So-50 at ...

http://www.work-sat.com

If other modes, use the link to AMSAT on that same page!

Clint

sats location plus names to work

n5iz
 

i need a list of sats to work anyone have them..
73 rsy n5iz

Re: Pro-Sat question

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

Is there a way to remove the 'sight' limitation ...
Under Preferences, I have entered "5" degrees for Minimum Elevation.

... I can hit the birds during daylight hours (I'm guessing interference would be greater, but it's still possible, no?)
Day or evening, the FM birds work well!

... I can't seem to find AO-50 on the list, is it hiding somewhere?
If you are downloading the "Amateur Radio" set, it's listed as "Echo (AO-51)."

... What does the following mean: AOS ...
ACQUISITION of Signal - as the sat rises ...

... TCA ...
Time of Closest Approach - when the sat is closest to you.

... LOS?
Loss of Signal - as the bird descends.


Clint

Pro-Sat question

CatzMeow
 

So, I picked up ProSat last night and have been monkeying with it, does anyone else use it?

Here are my questions -

Is there a way to remove the 'sight' limitation...meaning, this program seems designed for folks that want to 'see' satellites, which means it's filtering out anything that flies over during the day (sun > -6 degrees)...if I understand Clint's presentation correctly, I can hit the birds during daylight hours (I'm guessing interference would be greater, but it's still possible, no?)

I can't seem to find AO-50 on the list, is it hiding somewhere? Which leads to another question, is there a way to search sats rather than browse?

Regular Keplerian Question, I think: What does the following mean: AOS, TCA, and LOS?

Is there a way to 'flag' birds (50 & 51) to let me know when they'll pass by me?

I'm going to keep poking around, but figured I'd start here.

Thanks,
-Ed-

Re: SOFTWARE for Satellite Tracking

MichaelE <k4moa@...>
 

I actually purchased Stephen's adapter prior to getting the AL-800. You can tell that there is some support with the adapter, but like you said - still need to be careful. I must admit it is still sort of an odd feeling the way you need to hold the radio and antenna in the same hand then try to move around to find the best signal. I'm enjoying the challenge -

Thank you again for all of your work and advice -

Mike, K4MOA

--- In Work-Sat@..., "K6LCS" <clintbrad4d@...> wrote:

THANKS for participating here!

... how to use the AL-800 with my VX7R ...
CAUTION! Please do NOT use the Yaesu CN-3 BNC-to-SMA all-metal adapter. It provides absolutely NO protection for your radio's SMA antenna connector.

That antenna is very heavy and places a lot of strain on your connector ... Look at the Stephen Gulyas adapters on my Web site at ...

http://www.work-sat.com

But please STILL try to support the antenna-HT as you use it ... cradle it carefully ...

... I have listened ... but no transmissions ...
Hey - I was at that same point a couple years ago. Go for it!

Clint

Re: SOFTWARE for Satellite Tracking

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

THANKS for participating here!

... how to use the AL-800 with my VX7R ...
CAUTION! Please do NOT use the Yaesu CN-3 BNC-to-SMA all-metal adapter. It provides absolutely NO protection for your radio's SMA antenna connector.

That antenna is very heavy and places a lot of strain on your connector ... Look at the Stephen Gulyas adapters on my Web site at ...

http://www.work-sat.com

But please STILL try to support the antenna-HT as you use it ... cradle it carefully ...

... I have listened ... but no transmissions ...
Hey - I was at that same point a couple years ago. Go for it!

Clint

Re: SOFTWARE for Satellite Tracking

MichaelE <k4moa@...>
 

Hi Clint,

Thank you very much for starting this group. I have been using your "HT" document to get started with Satellites and begin my journey of education and fun. I do not have the experience to begin transmitting as I'm still figuring out how to use the AL-800 with my VX7R to achieve the best signal. I have listened several times on various satellites as they pass over, but no transmissions. My day is coming...

I have been tinkering with Satscape. I first like that it is multi-platform (Windows, Unix, etc). I also like the views that if offers - 2D and 3D views of earth. Finally, I like that I can customize what is on my maps -- I can have as many or as few as I want.

Again, thanks for starting this group and allowing people like me to have a forum to learn...

Thanks,

Mike, K4MOA

--- In Work-Sat@..., "K6LCS" <clintbrad4d@...> wrote:

There are several software programs available for tracking amateur satellites. What program(s) have YOU settled upon to use for working the birds?

Clint

EchoLink Show - TONIGHT - 5:30PM Pacific / 8:30PM Eastern

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

I'll be on the SCARS Network - EchoLink Node 96140 - tonight to discuss working the FM satellites with your handheld radios.

Grab this .pdf file to follow along (NOT mandatory!) at the bottom of the page ...

http://www.work-sat.com

Clint

Work Sat Tutorial

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

A valued member here yesterday submitted a URL to a 10-page "How to Work Sats ..." article that appears elsewhere on the Web.

I welcome such participation! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

But while reading the document, I saw errors: bad or outdated URLs ... improper frequency chart for AO-51 (still had a CTCSS for TX, which we haven't used for years) ... improper on-the-air protocol ...

So I am not going to post the URL to that document. I'll watch it, though, in case the author updates it!

Clint Bradford

Which Arrow Antenna Model???

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

From the email folder ...

Q. I stopped at HRO a few days ago to buy an Arrow beam antenna for satellite work. They had a small one that breaks down and a bigger on that costs less. The small one has a duplexer? Which do you use?


A. I use Model 146/437-10WBP - the one with the duplexer built into the handle. Just one coax line to a single HT. It terminates in a BNC connector. If your radio is SMA, then Comet makes 18" jumpers of rewally flexible coax (less than 1/3dB loss - no problem). Or use one of Stephen Gulyas' EXCELLENT BNC-to-SMA adapters - which actually provide protection for your radio's antenna connector.

Links to the antennas and adapters at ...

http://www.work-sat.com

Clint, K6LCS
909-241-7666

New file uploaded to Work-Sat

Work-Sat@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Work-Sat
group.

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Uploaded by : k6lcs <clintbrad4d@...>
Description : Stephen Gulyas' BNC-to-SMA adapters. 10/01/09

You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: BNC-to-SMA Adapters - 09/30/09 Update

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

A formatted .pdf file of Stephen's adapters has been added to our Files Section.

BNC-to-SMA Adapters - 09/30/09 Update

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

Just received this reply from Stephen regarding his EXCELLENT BNC-to-SMA adapters. They are made with a hard rubber collar that "mates" wit the case of your radio - to better protect your delicate SMA connector.

The Yaesu CN-3 adapter, on the other hand, should be banned from the marketplace, as it provides absolutely NO protection to your radio from stress and strain at the antenna jack.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Hello again Clint,

Nice to hear from you again. It's been quite a while and I have been fine and my adapter
sales are still going on. I just don't advertise very much on the internet. Mostly word of mouth or a Google search does it for me. I am now accepting PayPal payments. Details below.

Here is my updated adapter fitting list:
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Yaesu: VX-1R, VX-2R, VX-3R, VX-5R, VX-6R, VX-7R, FT-50-R, FT-60-R, VX-10,
VX-150, VX-110, VXA-100, VXA-120, VXA-700,VX-800, VX-170 (Mod), VX-8R

Icom: IC-T90A, IC-91A, IC-92AD, IC-F50, IC-R5, IC-R2, IC-T8A, IC-T81A,
IC-Q7A, IC-M1V

Kenwood: TH-D7, TH-G71, TH-F6A, TH-59, TH-K2AT

Alinco: DJ-V5, DJ-X3, DJ-S40

Standard: C508A, C510A

Radio Shack: HTX-200, HTX-400, HTX-245, HTX-420

Uniden: BCD-396T, BR-330T, ATLANTIS (Marine)

Midland: G-11 (GMRS)
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Part # BGA-76
Yaesu: VX-5R, VX-1R
Icom: IC-Q7A, IC-M1V, IC-F50, M88 (Marine)
Kenwood: TH-D7, TH-G71, TH-59
Alinco: DJ-V5
Standard: C508A, C510A
Radio Shack: HTX-200, HTX-400, HTX-420
Uniden: BCD-396T, BR-330T, ATLANTIS (Marine)
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Part # BGA-77
Icom: IC-T90A, IC-91A, IC-92AD, IC-T8A, IC-T81A, IC-R2, IC-R5
Radio Shack: HTX-245
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Part # BGA-78
Yaesu: FT-50-R, VX-10, VXA-100, VX-800
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Part # BGA-79
Yaesu: FT-60-R, VX-150, VX-110, VXA-120
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Part # BGA-80
Yaesu: VX-2R, VX-3R, VX-6R, VX-7R, VXA-700, VX-170 (Mod)
Kenwood: TH-F6A, TH-K2AT
Alinco: DJ-X3, DJ-S40, DJ-V17T

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Part # BGA-80-M
Yaesu: VX-8R

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A personal check, money order or PayPal is what I accept for a payment.
(All quoted prices are for U.S. orders only)

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For PayPal payment :

Total cost for one adapter shipped to you is: $14.95
( $11.95 + $2.00 S+H + $1.00 (Paypal transaction fee)

Total cost for two adapters shipped to you is $27.90
( $11.95 ea. + $2.00 S+H +$2.00 (Paypal transaction fee)

PayPal account email adress : gulyas@...
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For check or money order payment :

Total cost for one adapter shipped to you is: $13.95
Total cost for two adapters shipped to you is $25.90
( $11.95 ea. + $2.00 S+H )

Remit to:
STEPHEN G. GULYAS
706 LALOR ST.
TRENTON, N.J.
08610
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If more than two adapters are needed, please ask for a price quote
prior to ordering.
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Talk to you again later.
Stephen KC2BHO 73's
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Re: Thanks for this group

K6LCS <clintbrad4d@...>
 

I appreciate your time and effort in getting this group started.
Thanks, Scott!

I have NINE presentations scheduled September-November ... interest is picking back up!

And as I explained on the Web site, I don't have time in a one-hour presentation (nor space in a four-page tutorial!) to cover ALL antennas, radios, software programs, et al for workin' the birds. So let's use this YahooGroup to supplement the basics, and enhance our experiences.

And enjoy this magnificent hobby!

Clint
http://www.work-sat.com