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Re: New rules for 44 Qs?

Detrick Merz
 

Activators are nothing without Hunters

And hunters are nothing without activators. It's a symbiotic relationship. Activators that only pass out 10 QSOs could be less experienced, could be running low power, could be using a less than ideal antenna, might only be capable of one mode. But that's one more activator, and 10 more contacts, and a park that might otherwise not been put on the air for months or years. Discourage the new person, the low power operator, the op that enjoys hiking and camping and sacrifices weight in their pack to carry along a radio, antenna, logbook, one who wants to operate inside a vehicle, the op that gives CW a chance even when 5wpm is a struggle for them, and we don't grow.

-detrick
K4IZ

On Jan 18, 2018 10:38, "Norm Meyers N9MM" <norm42@...> wrote:
The Old Timer has often spoke of this. He believes that Activators should be activating for the benefit of the Hunters. Kind of a hard core belief, but he kind of has a point, Activators are nothing without Hunters. Hunters hunt, and if Activators only pass out 10 QSOs, the Old Timer says, then many deserving Hunters suffer.


From: WWFF-KFF@groups.io <WWFF-KFF@groups.io> on behalf of Detrick Merz <detrick@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:24:25 AM
To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io

Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] New rules for 44 Qs?
 
My wife, also a ham, has basically the same view. Some people activate from inside their vehicle in a parking lot, and that's fine, but they also might be missing out. It's within the rules though, and I happily support anyone activating however they chose, within the bounds if the rules. My preference is a picnic table, but I won't force that upon anyone else. And don't think I don't sit here pondering a vehicle activation when the high for the day is 20F.

At 100w, and with CW possibly, sure the 44 isn't hard at all usually. But we all don't have 100w rigs, or 100w rigs we can operate portable, or batteries enough, or muscle enough to hike that much gear into every park. And, for me at least, getting out of the car and operating *in* the park, that's been a real joy. I've only been in 10 or so parks, but I feel like I have a compelling story to tell from almost every one. And I've learned a lot every time, and had a blast.

But here's the thing: even if there aren't 44 people chasing WWFF when you're at a park, you can still reach that number:

- work FT8, I got almost half the necessary contacts this way at my last park with a KX3 and 15W. Most of those contacts probably weren't chasing WWFF.
- spin the dial and answer someone else's CQ: they don't have to be chasing WWFF for it to count for you, and you might turn someone else onto the program. I had a nice chat, via cw, from Diablo Lake in Washington with an op who was mobile in Colorado!
- ask people to spot you, especially if contacts are slow coming, spots draw contacts out of the woodwork
- switch bands and modes. If there are only 10 people you can work, and you work them all on cw and voice, and across 20, 30, and 40m,  you'll have 60 contacts in the log. The reality is you won't get all 10 to follow you across bands and modes, but you *will* get some who do.

Now don't get me wrong: there's a part of me that's real sad about the change from 10 to 44. My biggest goal is activating parks in 7 states. I worked from three parks in WA, getting 4, 9, and 13 contacts in them. Until January 1 that was enough for WA to count for me. But when I'll get another chance to go clean across the county, and even then back to those same parks to get at least one of them up to 44 ... well, I just don't count on counting WA anymore. Not until I can retire anyway.

But this is short term pain, and better for us all in the long run, I think. It's harder now, but that will lead us to find creative ways to make more contacts, and better the program in the long run.

-detrick
K4IZ

On Jan 18, 2018 09:47, "joe kallo" <quietglow@...> wrote:

Ha, funny: my wife (who is almost always doing 1/2 of the radio duties when we're activating) just told me I was being lame complaining about this. Her claim, as you suggest, is that the point isn't the pdf awards, but incentive to go to new places and hang out there for awhile.

I think the question I have (and/or what bothers me) though is why such a large number compared to the other major OTA programs? NPOTA was 10 Qs for activation. SOTA is 4. Michigan State POTA is 10. Why such a large number for wwff? At least here in the US, there are not usually even 44 people looking for WWFF contacts at a given time, forget considerations about whether you can actually make a contact with them. Unlike those other OTAs, the count is cumulative for WWFF. So is the idea to encourage repeated visits? Make it fun for people even when they don't have a bunch of parks (like we do -- MI has a bazillion never activated as well)? 


Re: New rules for 44 Qs?

Sgt Grunt
 

yes, they count 

Jess 

Question everything. Accept nothing as fact until proven. No one or nothing is above suspicion.

Ambivalence and complacency is a crime against humanity and will not be tolerated


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:17 AM, Detrick Merz <detrick@...> wrote:
Activators are nothing without Hunters

And hunters are nothing without activators. It's a symbiotic relationship. Activators that only pass out 10 QSOs could be less experienced, could be running low power, could be using a less than ideal antenna, might only be capable of one mode. But that's one more activator, and 10 more contacts, and a park that might otherwise not been put on the air for months or years. Discourage the new person, the low power operator, the op that enjoys hiking and camping and sacrifices weight in their pack to carry along a radio, antenna, logbook, one who wants to operate inside a vehicle, the op that gives CW a chance even when 5wpm is a struggle for them, and we don't grow.

-detrick
K4IZ

On Jan 18, 2018 10:38, "Norm Meyers N9MM" <norm42@...> wrote:
The Old Timer has often spoke of this. He believes that Activators should be activating for the benefit of the Hunters. Kind of a hard core belief, but he kind of has a point, Activators are nothing without Hunters. Hunters hunt, and if Activators only pass out 10 QSOs, the Old Timer says, then many deserving Hunters suffer.


From: WWFF-KFF@groups.io <WWFF-KFF@groups.io> on behalf of Detrick Merz <detrick@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:24:25 AM
To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io

Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] New rules for 44 Qs?
 
My wife, also a ham, has basically the same view. Some people activate from inside their vehicle in a parking lot, and that's fine, but they also might be missing out. It's within the rules though, and I happily support anyone activating however they chose, within the bounds if the rules. My preference is a picnic table, but I won't force that upon anyone else. And don't think I don't sit here pondering a vehicle activation when the high for the day is 20F.

At 100w, and with CW possibly, sure the 44 isn't hard at all usually. But we all don't have 100w rigs, or 100w rigs we can operate portable, or batteries enough, or muscle enough to hike that much gear into every park. And, for me at least, getting out of the car and operating *in* the park, that's been a real joy. I've only been in 10 or so parks, but I feel like I have a compelling story to tell from almost every one. And I've learned a lot every time, and had a blast.

But here's the thing: even if there aren't 44 people chasing WWFF when you're at a park, you can still reach that number:

- work FT8, I got almost half the necessary contacts this way at my last park with a KX3 and 15W. Most of those contacts probably weren't chasing WWFF.
- spin the dial and answer someone else's CQ: they don't have to be chasing WWFF for it to count for you, and you might turn someone else onto the program. I had a nice chat, via cw, from Diablo Lake in Washington with an op who was mobile in Colorado!
- ask people to spot you, especially if contacts are slow coming, spots draw contacts out of the woodwork
- switch bands and modes. If there are only 10 people you can work, and you work them all on cw and voice, and across 20, 30, and 40m,  you'll have 60 contacts in the log. The reality is you won't get all 10 to follow you across bands and modes, but you *will* get some who do.

Now don't get me wrong: there's a part of me that's real sad about the change from 10 to 44. My biggest goal is activating parks in 7 states. I worked from three parks in WA, getting 4, 9, and 13 contacts in them. Until January 1 that was enough for WA to count for me. But when I'll get another chance to go clean across the county, and even then back to those same parks to get at least one of them up to 44 ... well, I just don't count on counting WA anymore. Not until I can retire anyway.

But this is short term pain, and better for us all in the long run, I think. It's harder now, but that will lead us to find creative ways to make more contacts, and better the program in the long run.

-detrick
K4IZ

On Jan 18, 2018 09:47, "joe kallo" <quietglow@...> wrote:

Ha, funny: my wife (who is almost always doing 1/2 of the radio duties when we're activating) just told me I was being lame complaining about this. Her claim, as you suggest, is that the point isn't the pdf awards, but incentive to go to new places and hang out there for awhile.

I think the question I have (and/or what bothers me) though is why such a large number compared to the other major OTA programs? NPOTA was 10 Qs for activation. SOTA is 4. Michigan State POTA is 10. Why such a large number for wwff? At least here in the US, there are not usually even 44 people looking for WWFF contacts at a given time, forget considerations about whether you can actually make a contact with them. Unlike those other OTAs, the count is cumulative for WWFF. So is the idea to encourage repeated visits? Make it fun for people even when they don't have a bunch of parks (like we do -- MI has a bazillion never activated as well)? 



Re: New rules for 44 Qs?

KFF Coordinator
 

Yes. You can work a Park Monday and get 23 QSOs and go back Thursday and get 21 more QSOs and then you get credit for activating the park. 


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:12 AM David Garnier <dsgarnier@...> wrote:
Opps, may have missed an important point here.  Question,
Do multiple activations still count towards the "activation credit of 44?"

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 1/18/18, KFF Coordinator <kffcoordinator@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] New rules for 44 Qs?
 To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io
 Date: Thursday, January 18, 2018, 9:56 AM

 Here was
 our thinking on changing from 10 to 44... WWFF is a global
 program that WWFF-KFF is part of. The global awards have
 always been based on 44 contacts for an activation. Also,
 all the other countries that are part of WWFF require at
 least 44 activations for a park to count in their national
 program. Some have more. Some even have a MINIMUM time you
 have to spend at the park (I think it was 2 hours) for it to
 count as a valid activation.
 The idea behind WWFF is "to make nature
 your shack." The WWFF website states, "World
 Wide Flora and Fauna in Amateur Radio, is encouraging to leave your
 shack and go outside portable operating in protected nature
 parks all over the world." It is not an awards program,
 per se, but a program for us to get out an enjoy nature as
 part of our hobby. The awards are just icing on the
 cake!

 Being part of a global program, we
 thought it best for WWFF-KFF to fall in line with the rest
 of the program. Remember, even if you do not get the
 activation credit when working a park, please still submit
 your logs because the hunters will get credit. And you can
 go back to a park as many times as you wish to make an
 activation.
 I
 really enjoy getting out and working parks and not being in
 my shack. My best memory is when I had a deer come up no
 further than 25 feet from my operating position before it
 noticed me. It was great.
 I hope you can still enjoy the
 program even thought the requirements for activating a park
 have become a bit harder.
 73/44,Roger
 Meadows, AE4RMWWFF-KFF CoordinatorSee Us On The
 WebFaceBook


 On
 Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Norm Meyers N9MM <norm42@...>
 wrote:










 The Old Timer has often spoke of this. He believes that
 Activators should be activating for the benefit of the
 Hunters. Kind of a hard core belief, but he kind of has a
 point, Activators are nothing without Hunters. Hunters hunt,
 and if Activators only
  pass out 10 QSOs, the Old Timer says, then many deserving
 Hunters suffer.








 From: WWFF-KFF@groups.io
 <WWFF-KFF@groups.io>
 on behalf of Detrick Merz <detrick@...>

 Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:24:25 AM

 To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io

 Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] New rules for 44
 Qs?
  


 My wife, also a ham, has basically the same view. Some
 people activate from inside their vehicle in a parking lot,
 and that's fine, but they also might be missing out.
 It's within the rules though, and I happily support
 anyone activating however
  they chose, within the bounds if the rules. My preference
 is a picnic table, but I won't force that upon anyone
 else. And don't think I don't sit here pondering a
 vehicle activation when the high for the day is 20F.



 At 100w, and with CW possibly, sure the 44 isn't
 hard at all usually. But we all don't have 100w rigs, or
 100w rigs we can operate portable, or batteries enough, or
 muscle enough to hike that much gear into every park. And,
 for me at least,
  getting out of the car and operating *in* the park,
 that's been a real joy. I've only been in 10 or so
 parks, but I feel like I have a compelling story to tell
 from almost every one. And I've learned a lot every
 time, and had a blast.



 But here's the thing: even if there aren't 44
 people chasing WWFF when you're at a park, you can still
 reach that number:



 - work FT8, I got almost half the necessary contacts
 this way at my last park with a KX3 and 15W. Most of those
 contacts probably weren't chasing WWFF.
 - spin the dial and answer someone else's CQ: they
 don't have to be chasing WWFF for it to count for you,
 and you might turn someone else onto the program. I had a
 nice chat, via cw, from Diablo Lake in Washington with an op
 who was mobile in
  Colorado!
 - ask people to spot you, especially if contacts are
 slow coming, spots draw contacts out of the woodwork
 - switch bands and modes. If there are only 10 people
 you can work, and you work them all on cw and voice, and
 across 20, 30, and 40m,  you'll have 60 contacts in the
 log. The reality is you won't get all 10 to follow you
 across bands and modes,
  but you *will* get some who do.



 Now don't get me wrong: there's a part of me
 that's real sad about the change from 10 to 44. My
 biggest goal is activating parks in 7 states. I worked from
 three parks in WA, getting 4, 9, and 13 contacts in them.
 Until January 1 that was enough
  for WA to count for me. But when I'll get another
 chance to go clean across the county, and even then back to
 those same parks to get at least one of them up to 44 ...
 well, I just don't count on counting WA anymore. Not
 until I can retire anyway.



 But this is short term pain, and better for us all in
 the long run, I think. It's harder now, but that will
 lead us to find creative ways to make more contacts, and
 better the program in the long run.



 -detrick
 K4IZ



 On Jan 18, 2018 09:47,
 "joe kallo" <quietglow@...>
 wrote:


 Ha, funny: my wife (who is almost always doing 1/2 of the
 radio duties when we're activating) just told me I was
 being lame complaining about this. Her claim, as you
 suggest, is that the point isn't the pdf awards, but
 incentive to go to new places and hang
  out there for awhile.



 I think the question I have (and/or what bothers me) though
 is why such a large number compared to the other major OTA
 programs? NPOTA was 10 Qs for activation. SOTA is 4.
 Michigan State POTA is 10. Why such a large number for wwff?
 At least here in the US,
  there are not usually even 44 people looking for WWFF
 contacts at a given time, forget considerations about
 whether you can actually make a contact with them. Unlike
 those other OTAs, the count is cumulative for WWFF. So is
 the idea to encourage repeated visits?
  Make it fun for people even when they don't have a
 bunch of parks (like we do -- MI has a bazillion never
 activated as well)? 




















--
73/44,
Roger Meadows, AE4RM
WWFF-KFF Coordinator

Re: New rules for 44 Qs?

joe kallo <quietglow@...>
 

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 07:56 am, KFF Coordinator wrote:
I hope you can still enjoy the program even thought the requirements for activating a park have become a bit harder.
Respectfully, I don't think this a fair characterization of my point. Difficulty isn't the issue, but rather viability of actually engaging the pursuit and the reasons for it. The total time required to get 44 contacts is larger than 10. It's exponentially longer if you are dealing with one of the issues Detrick mentions (I'm also a QRP op as of yesterday -- KX2, yay!). I have lots more opportunities for the time required for 10 contacts, especially while traveling, than 44. I'd guess lots of other people are in the same boat. As a result, given the change I am going to be more likely to pass by the opportunity for a 45 min break while playing radio at a park while traveling, because I know there's no way I am going to get anywhere near the 44 QSOs. Similarly, while I am willing to sit outside in 10f to make 10 QSOs (did it yesterday!), I am not willing to sit out there for 2+hrs to make 44. etc etc etc. The overall effect of this change is, I am afraid, to decrease my opportunity for participation. 

Now, two answers to that complaint others have voiced are valid: activators should be doing this as service for the hunters, and/or the point is just to make operate out of door. I 100% agree that if either or both of those are true, then my complaint is off-base. But if those are true, why keep count at all? Is it a game/contest or no? The other OTAs definitely were/are from what I can tell. Points, leaderboards, etc. If the WWFF isn't, why mess with keeping track at all? 

I hope it's clear that my criticism comes from a deep appreciation for the overall pursuit. I really like being outside and this pursuit is a very good excuse to explore parks and places I've not been. I'd like MORE excuses to go visit a new park, maybe one I can't visit again for a long time, not less.

73,
Joe

Re: Antenna question

Wirenut1212@...
 

I read somewhere form Hustler that adding one in the middle is not recommended.  I run 4 but they are basically off to the sides.  I will try and find the link but you can always try it and see how it tunes.
K0ATZ/ Brian

Re: Parks Diverge

Wirenut1212@...
 

This dosen't have to be a big deal folks, activate how when and what you want.  The numbers are different now but 4000+are the same minus the KFF or K.  No different than doing Summits on the air or light house or islands, whatever.  Upload your logs how you see fit.  Changing numbers in your logs is not a big deal.  
K0ATZ Brian

Re: Antenna question

Sgt Grunt
 

Thanks Brian,  I called Hustler and got the same response. I was wondering if anyone had actually tried it. Yes, I would love to have a 4 resonator adapter. That will comer just about every band that I use, 20. 30, 40, and 17.  Thanks 

73 / 44  Jess 

Jess 

Question everything. Accept nothing as fact until proven. No one or nothing is above suspicion.

Ambivalence and complacency is a crime against humanity and will not be tolerated


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Wirenut1212 via Groups.Io <Wirenut1212@...> wrote:
I read somewhere form Hustler that adding one in the middle is not recommended.  I run 4 but they are basically off to the sides.  I will try and find the link but you can always try it and see how it tunes.
K0ATZ/ Brian


Re: Antenna question

KA9JAC
 

County hunters have been doing this for years.
If in doubt just ask N4CD

On 1/18/2018 8:34 PM, Sgt Grunt wrote:
Thanks Brian,  I called Hustler and got the same response. I was wondering if anyone had actually tried it. Yes, I would love to have a 4 resonator adapter. That will comer just about every band that I use, 20. 30, 40, and 17.  Thanks 

73 / 44  Jess 

Jess 

Question everything. Accept nothing as fact until proven. No one or nothing is above suspicion.

Ambivalence and complacency is a crime against humanity and will not be tolerated


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Wirenut1212 via Groups.Io <Wirenut1212@...> wrote:
I read somewhere form Hustler that adding one in the middle is not recommended.  I run 4 but they are basically off to the sides.  I will try and find the link but you can always try it and see how it tunes.
K0ATZ/ Brian



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Re: What kind of antenna?

Mark Grow
 

I also have used and LNR EFT-10-20-40 with the 12m Spiderbeam pole (great antenna). I have also purchased the LNR-MTR which is another great antenna but requires more real estate. My pack-in antennas are the SOTAbeams Band Hopper and the SOTAbeams Bandspringer with the Elecraft T1 tuner. The only antenna I purchased and was disappointed in was the Ventenna HFp vertical. Has just never been a good performer.
73 - KG6LI

Camping

KFF Coordinator
 

How many of y'all camp at a park and activate it. I've started tent camping again last year and love it and have been activating State Parks while camping. I also go alone so its a chance for me to "get away" cheaply. Although, not totally alone, my service dog, Sam, comes with me.

If you do, do you tent camp, have an RV, a pop-up? Tell us about your experience.

My best experience was camping at Hillsborough River State Park and I was up at sun up, had my headphones on working on CW. I look up and no more that 20 feet from me is a deer. I didn't move and stared at her eating for at least 5 minutes.... Sam was oblivious to it.

73/44,
Roger

Re: Camping

Norm Meyers N9MM
 

That’s exactly what Donna and I do. As we wander around, we always try to stay in State Parks. Their facilities are always a bargain. Same goes for national forest campgrounds. Nice places to be and it’s always fun To Make Nature Your Shack.

Norm, N9MM


From: WWFF-KFF@groups.io <WWFF-KFF@groups.io> on behalf of KFF Coordinator <kffcoordinator@...>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:08:47 AM
To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io
Subject: [WWFF-KFF] Camping
 
How many of y'all camp at a park and activate it. I've started tent camping again last year and love it and have been activating State Parks while camping. I also go alone so its a chance for me to "get away" cheaply. Although, not totally alone, my service dog, Sam, comes with me.

If you do, do you tent camp, have an RV, a pop-up? Tell us about your experience.

My best experience was camping at Hillsborough River State Park and I was up at sun up, had my headphones on working on CW. I look up and no more that 20 feet from me is a deer. I didn't move and stared at her eating for at least 5 minutes.... Sam was oblivious to it.

73/44,
Roger

Re: Camping

Mark Grow
 

I love activating from a camping spot. The XYL and I love to tent camp, so the ham gear comes along for the ride. My last camp activation was from the Chiricahua National Monument in southeastern Arizona. With camping it allows you to take advantage of the propagation changes that take over a 24 hour period. Plus, how can you beat the view.
Will be out this summer again tappin' the CW.
de KG6LI

Re: Camping

KFF Coordinator
 

Here in Florida I don’t camp June, July and August and not until late September. Between the afternoon storms and the gazzillion percent humidity it is not enjoyable. 


On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:12 AM Mark Grow <lksfirecapt@...> wrote:
I love activating from a camping spot. The XYL and I love to tent camp, so the ham gear comes along for the ride. My last camp activation was from the Chiricahua National Monument in southeastern Arizona. With camping it allows you to take advantage of the propagation changes that take over a 24 hour period. Plus, how can you beat the view.
Will be out this summer again tappin' the CW.
de KG6LI

--
73/44,
Roger Meadows, AE4RM
WWFF-KFF Coordinator

Re: Parks Diverge

Mark Grow
 

Strange how simple things can get so complex in the wink of an eye. Like Brian, I plan to activate parks and upload to both programs. I hope the relationship between the two programs remains civil so we can freely participate in both. But as time passes ham organizations tend to get a little "clickish", so I worry about the future and how it will unfold. We shall see, but I can see some future issues. Right off the bat, I plan to ID with the KFF number, so we shall see how the K hunters read that...
de KG6LI

Re: Camping

Detrick Merz
 

I've tent camped and activated once. It's was a nice way to do a little radio while also hanging out with friends. Wake up early in the morning and work the radio for 2-3 hours while everyone else is asleep, it's quite serene. And then get a few more hours in in the evening after dusk while everyone is sitting around the fire. Really works up your ability to work CW in one ear and socialize with the other. Not that I'm great at that, but it is good practice.

I've also brought a radio along while RV camping in parks that aren't part of the program. Still a great opportunity to do some hunting, and in my cases from locations that have nice low noise floors.

Dogs make great camping and activation buddies, for sure.

-detrick
K4IZ

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:08 AM, KFF Coordinator <kffcoordinator@...> wrote:
How many of y'all camp at a park and activate it. I've started tent camping again last year and love it and have been activating State Parks while camping. I also go alone so its a chance for me to "get away" cheaply. Although, not totally alone, my service dog, Sam, comes with me.

If you do, do you tent camp, have an RV, a pop-up? Tell us about your experience.

My best experience was camping at Hillsborough River State Park and I was up at sun up, had my headphones on working on CW. I look up and no more that 20 feet from me is a deer. I didn't move and stared at her eating for at least 5 minutes.... Sam was oblivious to it.

73/44,
Roger


Re: Parks Diverge

W1TEF
 

I've used the WWFF spotting and it always drops information into the main cluster system - never had a problem with it.

I don't use it on a regular basis as I prefer to use DXSummit, but WWFF spotting does drop information into the DX cluster network.

Best regards,

Tom, W1TEF

Re: Parks Diverge

Jim Shorney
 

That does appear to be the case now. I do recall in the past people checking
this and saying that it does not, so things may have changed. Thanks Tom. I'm
still feeding SpotCollector from 3 Telnet nodes. I hate to miss any good DX!

73

-Jim
NU0C


On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 08:26:59 -0800, W1TEF wrote:

I've used the WWFF spotting and it always drops information into the main cluster system - never had a problem with it.

I don't use it on a regular basis as I prefer to use DXSummit, but WWFF spotting does drop information into the DX cluster network.

Best regards,

Tom, W1TEF _._,_._,_
--

73 & 44,

-Jim
NU0C
Zero District WWFF-KFF Log Manager
https://wwffkff.wordpress.com/

Re: Parks Diverge

David Garnier
 

Hi,

What do you define as the “main cluster system?”

Today I spotted kc4jnw on the WWFF spotter and it hasn’t posted onto dxsummit spotter, that seems to  be my experience of late. Maybe I’m formatting the spot wrong or the forwarding system is broke. 

73’s - wb9own 




On Sunday, February 4, 2018, 10:27 AM, W1TEF <w1tef@...> wrote:

I've used the WWFF spotting and it always drops information into the main cluster system - never had a problem with it.

I don't use it on a regular basis as I prefer to use DXSummit, but WWFF spotting does drop information into the DX cluster network.

Best regards,

Tom, W1TEF

Re: Parks Diverge

Norm Meyers N9MM
 

Dave, 

I post on DX Summit and it gets picked up by SmartWWFF. Once you have been identified once on SmartWWFF, it will report RBN spots for you which is a very nice feature. 

Norm

_____________________________

From: David Garnier <dsgarnier@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] Parks Diverge
To: <wwff-kff@groups.io>


Hi,

What do you define as the “main cluster system?”

Today I spotted kc4jnw on the WWFF spotter and it hasn’t posted onto dxsummit spotter, that seems to  be my experience of late. Maybe I’m formatting the spot wrong or the forwarding system is broke. 

73’s - wb9own 




On Sunday, February 4, 2018, 10:27 AM, W1TEF <w1tef@...> wrote:

I've used the WWFF spotting and it always drops information into the main cluster system - never had a problem with it.

I don't use it on a regular basis as I prefer to use DXSummit, but WWFF spotting does drop information into the DX cluster network.

Best regards,

Tom, W1TEF


Using APRS for spotting

Detrick Merz
 

I learned today that the SOTA folks have a system that leverages APRS for spotting:


Does anything similar exist for WWFF?

I, for one, would be interested in such a system. I often find myself with a drained phone battery and a noticeable hit to my data usage when trying to activate a park. Or in a park where there's little or no cell service. I have some spare tablets that have wifi, but no data plan. I've been thinking about setting up a Raspberry Pi + Direwolf + WiFi + radio, and having APRSDriod on the tablet using Direwolf (across wifi) as a TNC. But I know of no way, currently, to send a message through the APRS network and have it converted to a WWFF spot.

Of course the reverse direction would be equally useful: receiving spot data from other activators via APRS message, for those P2P contacts.

73, 44,

-detrick
K4IZ