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Re: FT-8

KA9JAC
 

My thought on this if i ever get around to trying is
In the free text box where it normally is sending  "call ka9jac 73"
change it to "73 de KFF-xxxx"

73, 44
Bob, KA9JAC

On 1/16/2018 11:18 PM, Jim Shorney wrote:
I've run into this before with an op trying to activate. You don't want to do anything that messes up the automation. While experienced ops can cope with it the newbies and the less savvy ops will be at a loss. Perhaps a good practice would be to occasionally throw out something like "KFF-xxxx yourcall" as a free text transmission between CQs. That should attract some attention. To speed thing up a little bit ops can set to send RR73 instead of RRR. Callers should be encouraged to call split since you want a pile-up, and also to start with TX2 instead of TX1.

73/44

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Re: Parks Diverge

KA9JAC
 

I just don't understand why Jason decided to add more since he isn't ready to receive logs yet.

On 1/16/2018 11:24 PM, Jim Shorney wrote:
Not an issue for me. I have a SpotCollector filter set up too look for text strings "POTA" or "FF" on the DX Cluster. Every now and then it passes a spot with the name "Jeff" in the comments but that's no big deal. :)

It also sends a SMS text to my phone when K0ATZ is spotted on 40 or 80....

73/44

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Re: FT-8

Detrick Merz
 

The upside to "CQ FF K4IZ FM18" is that it's a standard CQ message, not a free message. It doesn't mess with the automation. My only concern is whether "FF" is too ambiguous ... but if we were to all standardize on it it would gain recognition.

The one time I've used FT8 in a park so far I did notice some ops working me split, and it did work out quite well.

The suggestions to throw some free text out between CQs (maybe when things are slow) is a great one; even if someone can't respond, they may see it and keep watching for a minute. And starting with TX2 instead of TX1 is a great idea, one which I think more experienced ops may pick up on naturally.

Thanks for the feedback on this, I think it's greatly helpful -- at least for me.

73, 44,

-detrick
K4IZ



On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 12:18 AM, Jim Shorney <jshorney@...> wrote:

I've run into this before with an op trying to activate. You don't want to do anything that messes up the automation. While experienced ops can cope with it the newbies and the less savvy ops will be at a loss. Perhaps a good practice would be to occasionally throw out something like "KFF-xxxx yourcall" as a free text transmission between CQs. That should attract some attention. To speed thing up a little bit ops can set to send RR73 instead of RRR. Callers should be encouraged to call split since you want a pile-up, and also to start with TX2 instead of TX1.

73/44

-Jim
NU0C





Re: Parks Diverge

Sgt Grunt
 

Hey guys, remember that station that I spotted,10 103,0 RI50ANO. Just got this response on the WFF FB page:
Vitaly Kuzmenko Guys and gals, I got the answer just now. Logs of RI50ANO from RFF-0154 are promised for uploading to WWFF Logsearch after completing the mission in April.
So there you go.... WFWL DE w6len / jess

Jess 

Question everything. Accept nothing as fact until proven. No one or nothing is above suspicion.

Ambivalence and complacency is a crime against humanity and will not be tolerated


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:36 AM, KA9JAC <ka9jac@...> wrote:
I just don't understand why Jason decided to add more since he isn't ready to receive logs yet.

On 1/16/2018 11:24 PM, Jim Shorney wrote:
Not an issue for me. I have a SpotCollector filter set up too look for text strings "POTA" or "FF" on the DX Cluster. Every now and then it passes a spot with the name "Jeff" in the comments but that's no big deal. :)

It also sends a SMS text to my phone when K0ATZ is spotted on 40 or 80....

73/44

-Jim
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Re: FT-8

David Garnier
 

I'm stuck in the old school JT65 mode of not wanting to operate
split mode, not a criticism Jim. ;-) In the past JT65'ers that needed
WI would call me on split mode an stalk me down until I answered,
a little unnerving until I received emails thanking me. I have
developed friendships from that experience still lasts today.

FT8 is so frigging fast it's difficult for me to answer them on their
frequency. Yes, I understand the value of operating split mode.
Yes, it seems to work amazing well but I still can't believe it
doesn't cause more QRM. I'm going to need some data to support
this "non QRM'img method." Don't want to suggest a holy war,
I've seen enough of that on WSJT reflector my the new JT Op's.

Good idea on free texting "KFF-xxxx yourcall" as a POTA method.

73's de wb9own


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On Tue, 1/16/18, Jim Shorney <@NU0C> wrote:

Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] FT-8
To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io
Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 11:18 PM


I've run into this before with an op
trying to activate. You don't want to do anything that
messes up the automation. While experienced ops can cope
with it the newbies and the less savvy ops will be at a
loss. Perhaps a good practice would be to occasionally throw
out something like "KFF-xxxx yourcall" as a free text
transmission between CQs. That should attract some
attention. To speed thing up a little bit ops can set to
send RR73 instead of RRR. Callers should be encouraged to
call split since you want a pile-up, and also to start with
TX2 instead of TX1.

73/44

-Jim
NU0C

Re: Parks Diverge

David Garnier
 

I don't want to sound cranky, but why breaking a numbering system
that has worked well across the world? Remember my past comment
about unintended consequences? Well, following folks that self spot
has become much harder... Never mind that I'm used up all of FJP's
other "Fill Fields." Think about this once. Each time I have to hand
edit a file the potential to make a mistake is great.

Jim, after my phone gets charged I'll have to look for SpottCollector.

Hey, anyone thought about using Twitter for spotting themselves??
Going by the twitter name of your amateur callsign seems on first
blush to be easy. But yea, it's another damn thing to have to keep
track as a activator.

73/44 wb9own
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On Tue, 1/16/18, Jim Shorney <@NU0C> wrote:

Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] Parks Diverge
To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io
Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 11:24 PM


Not an issue for
me. I have a SpotCollector filter set up too look for text
strings "POTA" or "FF" on the DX
Cluster. Every now and then it passes a spot with the name
"Jeff" in the comments but that's no big deal.
:)

It also sends a SMS text
to my phone when K0ATZ is spotted on 40 or 80....

73/44

-Jim
NU0C

Re: Parks Diverge

KFF Coordinator
 

We have not changed our numbering system. It is the each separate program now was different requirements to add parks so the new parks added to each program no longer match up. 

We will keep following the WWFF requirements for adding parks and are limited to adding 200 parks per year. 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 1:39 PM David Garnier <dsgarnier@...> wrote:
I don't want to sound cranky, but why breaking a numbering system
that has worked well across the world? Remember my past comment
about unintended consequences?  Well, following folks that self spot
has become much harder... Never mind that I'm used up all of FJP's
other "Fill Fields."  Think about this once.  Each time I have to hand
edit a file the potential to make a mistake is great.

Jim, after my phone gets charged I'll have to look for SpottCollector.

Hey, anyone thought about using Twitter for spotting themselves??
Going by the twitter name of your amateur callsign seems on first
blush to be easy. But yea, it's another damn thing to have to keep
track as a activator.

73/44 wb9own
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On Tue, 1/16/18, Jim Shorney <jshorney@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] Parks Diverge
 To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io
 Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 11:24 PM


 Not an issue for
 me. I have a SpotCollector filter set up too look for text
 strings "POTA" or "FF" on the DX
 Cluster. Every now and then it passes a spot with the name
 "Jeff" in the comments but that's no big deal.
 :)

 It also sends a SMS text
 to my phone when K0ATZ is spotted on 40 or 80....

 73/44

 -Jim
 NU0C






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Re: Parks Diverge

Detrick Merz
 

Not twitter, but I've thought about using APRS for spotting. I find many times when my cell phone battery is pretty taxed, or I'm in an area that has little or no cell coverage. But if I could have a raspberry pi in the car tied into APRS, and linked back to a a tablet that I have at my picnic table over wifi, maybe I could tie into the spotting networks that way.

Alas, no time to work on a project like that right now, so it's just a pipe dream.

-detrick
K4IZ

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 1:36 PM, David Garnier <dsgarnier@...> wrote:
I don't want to sound cranky, but why breaking a numbering system
that has worked well across the world? Remember my past comment
about unintended consequences?  Well, following folks that self spot
has become much harder... Never mind that I'm used up all of FJP's
other "Fill Fields."  Think about this once.  Each time I have to hand
edit a file the potential to make a mistake is great.

Jim, after my phone gets charged I'll have to look for SpottCollector.

Hey, anyone thought about using Twitter for spotting themselves??
Going by the twitter name of your amateur callsign seems on first
blush to be easy. But yea, it's another damn thing to have to keep
track as a activator.

73/44 wb9own
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On Tue, 1/16/18, Jim Shorney <jshorney@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] Parks Diverge
 To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io
 Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 11:24 PM


 Not an issue for
 me. I have a SpotCollector filter set up too look for text
 strings "POTA" or "FF" on the DX
 Cluster. Every now and then it passes a spot with the name
 "Jeff" in the comments but that's no big deal.
 :)

 It also sends a SMS text
 to my phone when K0ATZ is spotted on 40 or 80....

 73/44

 -Jim
 NU0C







Re: Parks Diverge

David Garnier
 

If you are activating, there are chasers that have requests,
please come back to 40, etc. Having a faster method to receive
that type of request has got to be faster than watching FB.

73's wb9own

Re: Parks Diverge

KA9JAC
 

No need to be a slave to facebook...
If folks are paying attention they will see that you are spotted somewhere
If they can't be bothered to get there while you are there, its not your fault.



On 1/17/2018 1:05 PM, David Garnier wrote:
If you are activating, there are chasers that have requests,
please come back to 40, etc. Having a faster method to receive
that type of request has got to be faster than watching FB.

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Re: Parks Diverge

Sgt Grunt
 

I always have the WFF Cluster up and take my spots from there. Now that there are two groups only the KFF spots will show up there which is fine with me as I have absolutely no interest in following the other group. Then I'll post on FB as a back up. By the way, I have faith finally made the decision to completely disengage from the other group.  de W6LEN/ Jess 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2018, at 11:14 AM, KA9JAC <ka9jac@...> wrote:

No need to be a slave to facebook...
If folks are paying attention they will see that you are spotted somewhere
If they can't be bothered to get there while you are there, its not your fault.



On 1/17/2018 1:05 PM, David Garnier wrote:
If you are activating, there are chasers that have requests,
please come back to 40, etc. Having a faster method to receive
that type of request has got to be faster than watching FB.

73's wb9own



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RBN Question

KFF Coordinator
 

Here is something I never quite understood. I hear some people say the RBN will pick you up at a park. How does the RBN know I am at a park? Is it because I cam calling CQ POTA, or CQ 44, or CQ WWFF? Something I've wondered or maybe I am misunderstanding what people are saying.

Roger

73/44,
Roger Meadows, AE4RM
WWFF-KFF Coordinator

Re: RBN Question

Sgt Grunt
 

I have never seen it do that. I always look for the call and that's all it picks up 

Jess 

Question everything. Accept nothing as fact until proven. No one or nothing is above suspicion.

Ambivalence and complacency is a crime against humanity and will not be tolerated


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 1:27 PM, KFF Coordinator <kffcoordinator@...> wrote:
Here is something I never quite understood. I hear some people say the RBN will pick you up at a park. How does the RBN know I am at a park? Is it because I cam calling CQ POTA, or CQ 44, or CQ WWFF? Something I've wondered or maybe I am misunderstanding what people are saying.

Roger

73/44,
Roger Meadows, AE4RM
WWFF-KFF Coordinator


Re: Parks Diverge

David Garnier
 

Thank you Kraig, I used PARKSpot last weekend and plan to use it
again this weekend! WI has a few parks and KFF-4329 was near the
end, but I can manage. ;-) Hope to work you again soon. WX is
suppose to get into the 40's this weekend, wild isn't?

73/44 wb9own


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On Wed, 1/17/18, Kraig D. Pritts <kraig@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [WWFF-KFF] Parks Diverge
To: WWFF-KFF@groups.io
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 2:03 PM

Also when I self spot I
use PARKSpot and may eventually back away from FB for
spotting in order to spend more time operating. I have begun
to post where I am on FB and also where I will spot (which
is W6RK and WWFF Watch using PARKSpot) and then check FB
from time to time checking for particular requests. I
normally operate a band/mode until I don't hear any more
callers then move on. But I am the crazy guy who doesn't
worry about 44 QSOs even though lately it has become a LOT
easier to get there or very close.  Everyone develops their
own style of ops. I am mobile all the way!

Re: RBN Question

Detrick Merz
 

I've seen this, and wondered too. The spots are somehow correctly flagged as WWFF, and you can tell they're from the RBN by the "[rbn]" tag in the comments. They show up on the WWWFF dx cluster (http://wwff.co/dx-cluster/). There are a few out there right now!

Understanding how they get there could help me to get spotted more accurately.

-detrick
K4IZ

On Jan 17, 2018 4:27 PM, "KFF Coordinator" <kffcoordinator@...> wrote:
Here is something I never quite understood. I hear some people say the RBN will pick you up at a park. How does the RBN know I am at a park? Is it because I cam calling CQ POTA, or CQ 44, or CQ WWFF? Something I've wondered or maybe I am misunderstanding what people are saying.

Roger

73/44,
Roger Meadows, AE4RM
WWFF-KFF Coordinator

Re: Parks Diverge

W1TEF
 

Its easy to figure out - he wants to "control" the process going forward.

Thus the number diverging rather than keeping some semblance of order.

Regardless, this divergence is going to become an issue in the future - I wouldn't
bet the mortgage money on it, but it's a pretty good bet.

Tom

On 1/17/2018 8:36 AM, KA9JAC wrote:
I just don't understand why Jason decided to add more since he isn't ready to receive logs yet.

On 1/16/2018 11:24 PM, Jim Shorney wrote:
Not an issue for me. I have a SpotCollector filter set up too look for text strings "POTA" or "FF" on the DX Cluster. Every now and then it passes a spot with the name "Jeff" in the comments but that's no big deal. :)

It also sends a SMS text to my phone when K0ATZ is spotted on 40 or 80....

73/44

-Jim
NU0C



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Re: Parks Diverge

Ran W2RAN
 

The "diverging park" numbers starts where the KFF numbers left off.  It will be probematic when KFF adds new parks and assigns numbers that the diverging parks are using. I could see a future park with a KFF number different than a K number. That is a real mess for the activators for uploading and for IDing their park on the air.

W2RAN

Re: RBN Question

W1TEF
 

I post to DXSummit or if I have my laptop with wifi, VE7CC - they are all linked anyway.

Tom

On 1/17/2018 4:32 PM, Kraig D. Pritts wrote:
My understanding is the same as Sgt Grunt. I just spot directly to WWFF Watch. Saves people working through everything else on the clusters. I only look on WWFF Watch and CH spot site for activations to chase.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 4:28 PM Sgt Grunt <Ocrebels1@...> wrote:
I have never seen it do that. I always look for the call and that's all it picks up 

Jess 

Question everything. Accept nothing as fact until proven. No one or nothing is above suspicion.

Ambivalence and complacency is a crime against humanity and will not be tolerated


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 1:27 PM, KFF Coordinator <kffcoordinator@...> wrote:
Here is something I never quite understood. I hear some people say the RBN will pick you up at a park. How does the RBN know I am at a park? Is it because I cam calling CQ POTA, or CQ 44, or CQ WWFF? Something I've wondered or maybe I am misunderstanding what people are saying.

Roger

73/44,
Roger Meadows, AE4RM
WWFF-KFF Coordinator


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Re: Parks Diverge

KFF Coordinator
 

Randy,

Its already happening. We've added parks for Alaska, Washington, and one other state (can't remember which one).

73/44,
Roger Meadows, AE4RM
WWFF-KFF Coordinator


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Randall Wright <wright2randy@...> wrote:
The "diverging park" numbers starts where the KFF numbers left off.  It will be probematic when KFF adds new parks and assigns numbers that the diverging parks are using. I could see a future park with a KFF number different than a K number. That is a real mess for the activators for uploading and for IDing their park on the air.

W2RAN


Re: Parks Diverge

Sgt Grunt
 

I don't see it as a problem. If I hear KFF1234 I will answer, but if I hear K1234 I won't respond. The WFF-KFF system does not recognized the "K" only the "KFF".  I think that we are in good shape to just keep keeping on !! :-) 

Jess 

Question everything. Accept nothing as fact until proven. No one or nothing is above suspicion.

Ambivalence and complacency is a crime against humanity and will not be tolerated


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 3:13 PM, KFF Coordinator <kffcoordinator@...> wrote:
Randy,

Its already happening. We've added parks for Alaska, Washington, and one other state (can't remember which one).

73/44,
Roger Meadows, AE4RM
WWFF-KFF Coordinator


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Randall Wright <wright2randy@...> wrote:
The "diverging park" numbers starts where the KFF numbers left off.  It will be probematic when KFF adds new parks and assigns numbers that the diverging parks are using. I could see a future park with a KFF number different than a K number. That is a real mess for the activators for uploading and for IDing their park on the air.

W2RAN