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Re: Digest Number 348

Leri <msleri@...>
 

I had a party line in Alaska. The only one who got in trouble with it was the other party who was drunk most of the time. The shortage of sunlight in the winter tends to render even the soberest disoriented after nap time. One winter evening I was talking on the phone my drunk compadre came on the line and shouted "Is it morning or night?!?!?!" Taken aback, I scolded him and told him to get off the line. He retorted, "I will as soon as you tell me, godddammmiiittt, Is it morning or night?!?!?!"

Leri Thomas

----- Original Message -----
From: JWhitten@...
To: WJMA@...
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: [WJMA] Digest Number 348


Did anyone as a child get in trouble for listening in on a party line?

It seems a bit silly now that people have private conversations in public places on their cell phone.

Thank goodness for the Amtrak Quiet Car.

-----Original Message-----
From: Phlodbear@... Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 10:11 AM
To: WJMA@...; WJMA@...
Subject: Re: [WJMA] Digest Number 348

In a message dated 8/14/2004 9:36:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, WJMA@... writes:

> The Dark Ages of telephone service


I still remember the phone number when I was a small child living in rural New England...HEmlock 5-9292.

We moved to Gordonsville when I was eight, and I remember vividly being able to call anyone within the Gordonsville exchange (832) by dialing the last four digits. In fact, you could dial three because back then everyone's four digit number started with a "2." Ours was 2225 and it remained that way until we sold Tivoli in 1999. Look up any long standing resident's phone number in Gordonsville and I'll bet you their four digit number starts with a "2." And yes, a call to Orange was indeed a long distance affair requiring the services of the operator. I also remember doing an interview with some phone company people, and they told me that whenever WJMA had a call in contest, the mechanical switching in the building on Bellview would go crazy, effectively rendering the town of Orange incommunicado for a brief moment.

Phil Audibert
'76-'86









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Re: Digest Number 348

Janet Hague McKay
 

When I was in high school, I lived in St. John's Newfoundland. The phone
numbers there were very strange. We had numbers that were four, five and six
digits and letters. My number was 7878A. One of my friend's was 90965A. The
number to call the base was 4113!
When I first moved to Gordonsville, you could still call Gordonsville
numbers by dialing 2 and the last four digits. My number was 832-2788. Orange
Tire and Recap was 672-2788. Every Saturday morning I would be awakened by the
phone and when I answered it would be some man in Gordonsville who out of habit
dialed 2-2788 and wanted tires! Of course it was always very early Saturday
morning when they called.

Janet McKay (Hague)
86-87

In a message dated 8/14/2004 10:09:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Phlodbear@... writes:
In a message dated 8/14/2004 9:36:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
WJMA@... writes:

The Dark Ages of telephone service

I still remember the phone number when I was a small child living in rural
New England...HEmlock 5-9292.

We moved to Gordonsville when I was eight, and I remember vividly being able
to call anyone within the Gordonsville exchange (832) by dialing the last
four digits. In fact, you could dial three because back then everyone's four
digit number started with a "2." Ours was 2225 and it remained that way
until
we sold Tivoli in 1999. Look up any long standing resident's phone number in
Gordonsville and I'll bet you their four digit number starts with a "2."

And yes, a call to Orange was indeed a long distance affair requiring the
services of the operator. I also remember doing an interview with some phone
company people, and they told me that whenever WJMA had a call in contest,
the
mechanical switching in the building on Bellview would go crazy, effectively
rendering the town of Orange incommunicado for a brief moment.

Phil Audibert
'76-'86

Re: Digest Number 348

JWhitten@...
 

Did anyone as a child get in trouble for listening in on a party line?

It seems a bit silly now that people have private conversations in public places on their cell phone.

Thank goodness for the Amtrak Quiet Car.

-----Original Message-----
From: Phlodbear@... Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 10:11 AM
To: WJMA@...; WJMA@...
Subject: Re: [WJMA] Digest Number 348

In a message dated 8/14/2004 9:36:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, WJMA@... writes:

The Dark Ages of telephone service

I still remember the phone number when I was a small child living in rural New England...HEmlock 5-9292.

We moved to Gordonsville when I was eight, and I remember vividly being able to call anyone within the Gordonsville exchange (832) by dialing the last four digits. In fact, you could dial three because back then everyone's four digit number started with a "2." Ours was 2225 and it remained that way until we sold Tivoli in 1999. Look up any long standing resident's phone number in Gordonsville and I'll bet you their four digit number starts with a "2." And yes, a call to Orange was indeed a long distance affair requiring the services of the operator. I also remember doing an interview with some phone company people, and they told me that whenever WJMA had a call in contest, the mechanical switching in the building on Bellview would go crazy, effectively rendering the town of Orange incommunicado for a brief moment.

Phil Audibert
'76-'86





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Re: The Dark Ages of telephone service

JWhitten@...
 

Good Question

I think that it would have been ORange2-1234. As a former Daniel resident, I made-up my own as a child: UKraine4.

Anyone know what it was really?

It's amazing where those old exchange names pop-up. Older residents here in Jersey City still use them, and it's confusing to many others.

In Manhattan, there's a restaurant - very chic, very expensive - named after its old exchange name, which still matches its telephone number.

In the age of the cell phone, I fear that this piece of Americana will be lost, especially in Manhattan where two area codes are geographically mixed. (Residents fought actually over keeping their 212, which is the “status” code.)

Let's start a nostalgic, exchange-name Website!!

Joe Whitten

-----Original Message-----
From: xhunter@... Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:21 PM
To: WJMA@...; WJMA@...
Subject: [WJMA] Re: The Dark Ages of telephone service



Back in the late 60's Virginia had just one area code, 703. So, 703
got you to Virginia. My question is : How was only four additional
digits enough to complete a call from outside the area? There had to
have been hundreds of exchanges in Virginia even then.

Was there a word code used as well? "Orange 1234" for example?

Mark Johnson
81-84
Mark,

I sent your question to a college radio friend who used to work for Illinois Bell. Here's his reply. Does that answer the question?

Ross
============================

I had to dig back quite a way to get an answer for you - and it may only
have applied in Illinois. In the very early 70s (and before), a few tiny
communities in Illinois were served by what was called "community dial
service". These were all small, rural towns. The central office (CO)13 served
either 1 or a group of small communities. The CO had only 1 office code.
Sorry - there is an Area Code (NPA), a central office code (NXX) and the 4
digit individual number associated with each telephone number. This was true
then as well as now. Since the CO had only 1 NXX, it was easy to have LOCAL
CALLING (from one number to another in the same CO) be the last 4 digits of
the telephone number. This is how today's Centrex systems work. If the CO
has 2 NXXs, this was no longer possible since each NXX could have the same
last 4 digits and create code conflicts. In the community dial service, if
you wanted to make a call outside of your home CO, either to another CO in
your NPA or a long distance call, you had to dial an access code to inform
the switch you were not making a local call. Usually, the access code was
"9", just like making an outside call from many of today's company business
telephone systems.

Given the fact that an access code was required to go outside the CO, and
the fact that at that time touch tone was NOT widely used so that eliminated
the # and * as an access code, "9" was the choice, at least in Illinois.
That meant that the CO had a maximum capacity of 9000 numbers to be used for
subscribers. Using 9 as an access code eliminated 1000 usable numbers from
the CO.

When calling into the community dial service, the outside party, if in the
same NPA dialed the full 7 digit telephone number. Callers from a different
NPA dialed 10 digits. The 4 digit calling ONLY applied to calls within the
local community dial CO. Hence that person's problem if he only gave the LD
operator 7 digits (most likely the NPA and the last 4 digits).

That is the way it worked in Illinois. It could have been a different setup
in Orange, but I would suspect it would have to have been similar.


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Re: Digest Number 348

Phil Audibert
 

In a message dated 8/14/2004 9:36:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
WJMA@... writes:

The Dark Ages of telephone service

I still remember the phone number when I was a small child living in rural
New England...HEmlock 5-9292.

We moved to Gordonsville when I was eight, and I remember vividly being able
to call anyone within the Gordonsville exchange (832) by dialing the last
four digits. In fact, you could dial three because back then everyone's four
digit number started with a "2." Ours was 2225 and it remained that way until
we sold Tivoli in 1999. Look up any long standing resident's phone number in
Gordonsville and I'll bet you their four digit number starts with a "2."

And yes, a call to Orange was indeed a long distance affair requiring the
services of the operator. I also remember doing an interview with some phone
company people, and they told me that whenever WJMA had a call in contest, the
mechanical switching in the building on Bellview would go crazy, effectively
rendering the town of Orange incommunicado for a brief moment.

Phil Audibert
'76-'86

Re: The Dark Ages of telephone service

Ross Hunter <xhunter@...>
 



Back in the late 60's Virginia had just one area code, 703. So, 703
got you to Virginia. My question is : How was only four additional
digits enough to complete a call from outside the area? There had to
have been hundreds of exchanges in Virginia even then.

Was there a word code used as well? "Orange 1234" for example?

Mark Johnson
81-84
Mark,

I sent your question to a college radio friend who used to work for Illinois Bell. Here's his reply. Does that answer the question?

Ross
============================

I had to dig back quite a way to get an answer for you - and it may only
have applied in Illinois. In the very early 70s (and before), a few tiny
communities in Illinois were served by what was called "community dial
service". These were all small, rural towns. The central office (CO)13 served
either 1 or a group of small communities. The CO had only 1 office code.
Sorry - there is an Area Code (NPA), a central office code (NXX) and the 4
digit individual number associated with each telephone number. This was true
then as well as now. Since the CO had only 1 NXX, it was easy to have LOCAL
CALLING (from one number to another in the same CO) be the last 4 digits of
the telephone number. This is how today's Centrex systems work. If the CO
has 2 NXXs, this was no longer possible since each NXX could have the same
last 4 digits and create code conflicts. In the community dial service, if
you wanted to make a call outside of your home CO, either to another CO in
your NPA or a long distance call, you had to dial an access code to inform
the switch you were not making a local call. Usually, the access code was
"9", just like making an outside call from many of today's company business
telephone systems.

Given the fact that an access code was required to go outside the CO, and
the fact that at that time touch tone was NOT widely used so that eliminated
the # and * as an access code, "9" was the choice, at least in Illinois.
That meant that the CO had a maximum capacity of 9000 numbers to be used for
subscribers. Using 9 as an access code eliminated 1000 usable numbers from
the CO.

When calling into the community dial service, the outside party, if in the
same NPA dialed the full 7 digit telephone number. Callers from a different
NPA dialed 10 digits. The 4 digit calling ONLY applied to calls within the
local community dial CO. Hence that person's problem if he only gave the LD
operator 7 digits (most likely the NPA and the last 4 digits).

That is the way it worked in Illinois. It could have been a different setup
in Orange, but I would suspect it would have to have been similar.

Re: The Dark Ages of telephone service

Janet Hague McKay
 

Back in those days you didn't dial the number. You called the operator and
told her you want to make a long distance call to Orange, Virginia. She went
through this and that and finally an Orange operator would answer the phone
and your operator would give her the number you wanted and she would then
connect you! Cumbersome, but personal.

Janet McKay
1986-1987

In a message dated 8/12/2004 10:24:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rmj142@... writes:

With the present system the first (discounting country codes) three
digits are the "area code" so "540" tells the system that you want a
part of Virginia. Then "672" further tells it that you want
the "Orange Exchange". That narrows it down to 9999 different
possible numbers, from which the last four digits are used to select
as in "1000".

Back in the late 60's Virginia had just one area code, 703. So, 703
got you to Virginia. My question is : How was only four additional
digits enough to complete a call from outside the area? There had to
have been hundreds of exchanges in Virginia even then.

Was there a word code used as well? "Orange 1234" for example?

Mark Johnson
81-84

Re: The Dark Ages of telephone service

Mark Johnson
 

--- In WJMA@..., "rmj142" <rmj142@y...> wrote:
That narrows it down to 9999 different
possible numbers,
Of course it does no such thing. It narrows it down to 10,000
possible numbers. I always forget zero, or in this case 0000.

Mark Johnson
81-84

Re: The Dark Ages of telephone service

Mark Johnson
 

--- In WJMA@..., "Cathy Christovich" <cchristovich@w...>
wrote:

I vividly remember visiting a
college friend who lived on Long Island and trying to call home to
Orange
"collect." The operator, with all the New York attitude she could
muster,
told me "I'm sorry, you do not have enough DIGITS."
I have never thought about this before as it pertains to only four
digits.

With the present system the first (discounting country codes) three
digits are the "area code" so "540" tells the system that you want a
part of Virginia. Then "672" further tells it that you want
the "Orange Exchange". That narrows it down to 9999 different
possible numbers, from which the last four digits are used to select
as in "1000".

Back in the late 60's Virginia had just one area code, 703. So, 703
got you to Virginia. My question is : How was only four additional
digits enough to complete a call from outside the area? There had to
have been hundreds of exchanges in Virginia even then.

Was there a word code used as well? "Orange 1234" for example?

Mark Johnson
81-84

old wjma phone number

mary thompson <emmyte@...>
 

Arch,
Remember the time we rec'd a letter for SWAP SHOP addressed as follows:
WJMA Radio
672-1000
Orange
Guess those addresses have changed over the years. -Mary T (now W)


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Speaking of that old four-digit phone number:
When I had occasion to talk with New York Ad Agencies - not very
successfully I admit - and it came time to give the phone number, the buyer
couldn't believe we only had four numbers!
This provoked some "Aw. c'mon. you're kidding ?" conversations.
I expect that's why we never got much national business!
Come to think of it, when we graduated to seven numbers and the easily
remembered 672-1000 nothing much changed.
a r c h
61-84
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The Dark Ages of telephone service

Cathy Christovich <cchristovich@...>
 

Arch Harrison wrote:
Speaking of that old four-digit phone number:
When I had occasion to talk with New York Ad Agencies - not very
successfully I admit - and it came time to give the phone number, the
buyer
couldn't believe we only had four numbers!
This provoked some "Aw. c'mon. you're kidding ?" conversations.
This would have been in the late '60s. I vividly remember visiting a
college friend who lived on Long Island and trying to call home to Orange
"collect." The operator, with all the New York attitude she could muster,
told me "I'm sorry, you do not have enough DIGITS."

I'm happy to report that I am once again receiving the list. Thanks to
some changes in our e-mail system, all you guys and gals are no longer
considered spam. I kept up sporadically, but it was tough to remember to
access Yahoo so I could read the posts.

Thanks also to you all for remembering my mother, Delia Wills. We miss
her, but she was very ill and is now at rest. Her illness distracted me
from attending your reunion, and I'm very sorry to have missed it. I
truly hope I won't have to miss the next one.

Best to you all. I'm glad I'm back in the loop.

Cathy (Wills) Christovich '70-'71

Re: old wjma phone number

Arch Harrison <xhunter@...>
 

Speaking of that old four-digit phone number:
When I had occasion to talk with New York Ad Agencies - not very
successfully I admit - and it came time to give the phone number, the buyer
couldn't believe we only had four numbers!
This provoked some "Aw. c'mon. you're kidding ?" conversations.
I expect that's why we never got much national business!
Come to think of it, when we graduated to seven numbers and the easily
remembered 672-1000 nothing much changed.
a r c h
61-84

Re: new, old items

bradleyandgaige@...
 

Clint:

Give me a call 829-0535

Al Gaige


From: Clestes@...
Date: 2004/08/07 Sat PM 06:20:12 EDT
To: WJMA@...
Subject: Re: [WJMA] new, old items

Re: new, old items

Clint Estes
 

Ross,
That is very interesting stuff. With all the sports we did back then I
remember the many carts for the SBC (sports broadcasters club). Seems there was
an entire rack or two for just local sports, Orioles, Redskins and UVa.
Those were the days.
As I believed, WJMA will no longer carry Orange Football or Virginia Tech
this fall. Fifty years for Orange football was a great run and maybe some
kind of record. It also appears that Louisa and Culpeper will loose their live
broadcasts on Friday. The station is trying to work out drop-in stories (on
Friday's) for fans on all area games from 7:30 - 10:30. Plan are not complete.

Clint
Estes
1977 -
Present

Re: new, old items

Les <grandmananer@...>
 

This was a lovely trip into nostalgia.
Thanks.

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:05:16 -0400, "Ross Hunter"
<xhunter@...> said:

In cleaning up some long neglected piles of stuff at home, I came
across a WJMA coverage map and rate card.

The coverage map quotes US Census data and says it was updated
10/15/65. At the top of the page the copy reads: "It it's ACTION you
want, it's ACTION you'll get by using WJMA's well-rounded News,
Weather, and Sports broadcasts with (italics) Satisfying (end
italics) middle-of-the-road music." At the bottom of the page the
copy reads: "WJMA's emphasis on Local Broadcasts builds tremendous
Loyalty and Response in this well-balanced Primary (0.5MV/M) 5-county
$95,000,000 market...ideal for testing."

Additional copy on the sheet says: "WJMA Radio with Local
Programming, Interest and Action gets thousands of people in Motion
aided by Station promotion. Here are some promotion examples:
Promotion A with 36,000 entrants; Promotion B with 42,000 entrants."

At the time WJMA was AM only. The phone number listed is 7263.

The rate card is #13 effective April 1, 1974. You could buy a
one-time morning drive 60 second spot for $4.75, but if you bought
1,000 or more in a year the price dropped to $3.60 per spot. That's
only about 20 spots a week.

You could also buy a "PIN Point Plan" (Participation In News) 60
second spot for $5.50. The Sports Broadcasters Club was available for
a flat rate of $1.85 per day with billing based on the number of days
in a month regardless of the number of spots run. And there was the
announcer's favorite "LIP Service" spots (Local Impact Plan) where
you got 30 5 second spots per day. The daily cost...$18.

The line drawing of the radio station on the front of the rate card
sure looks like the work of Jean Love.

The Russ Roberts tape I recently digitized has Russ doing a great job
on some LIP spots for Horsefeathers. If you didn't know about the
all-you-can-eat seafood feast at Horsefeathers, you just weren't
listening.

When I return from a short trip out of town, I'll scan these items
and post them to the Yahoo site.

Ross
71-85



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Re: ...and just fade away

Mark Johnson
 

--- In WJMA@..., Dominion Market Research <Ross@m...>
wrote:

"NPR : Analog Tape Fading into History". Fans of reel-to-reel tape
prefer its sound quality, but few companies still make analog tape
machines -- let alone the tape. NPR's Rick Karr reports on the
decline of analog tape.
I just added another reel-to-reel to my "collection", via eBay. It
came today and I was trying to find some info about it online.

I happened across an article about the impending end of reel-to-reel
recorders and the tape itself.

Then I came across a couple of refrences that seemed a bit off, so I
checked to see if there was a date on the article.

It was from 1986.

Mark Johnson
81-84

(listening to old JMA tapes on my "new" GE STEREO Symphony, now if I
can juss figger out how to upload some of this stuff.)

Re: new, old items

Seth Williamson <orthodox@...>
 

On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 20:05, Ross Hunter wrote:

At the time WJMA was AM only. The phone number listed is 7263.
When I moved to Orange, about that time, you only had to dial four
digits to get anybody in town.

Seth Williamson

new, old items

Ross Hunter <xhunter@...>
 

In cleaning up some long neglected piles of stuff at home, I came across a WJMA coverage map and rate card.

The coverage map quotes US Census data and says it was updated 10/15/65. At the top of the page the copy reads: "It it's ACTION you want, it's ACTION you'll get by using WJMA's well-rounded News, Weather, and Sports broadcasts with (italics) Satisfying (end italics) middle-of-the-road music." At the bottom of the page the copy reads: "WJMA's emphasis on Local Broadcasts builds tremendous Loyalty and Response in this well-balanced Primary (0.5MV/M) 5-county $95,000,000 market...ideal for testing."

Additional copy on the sheet says: "WJMA Radio with Local Programming, Interest and Action gets thousands of people in Motion aided by Station promotion. Here are some promotion examples: Promotion A with 36,000 entrants; Promotion B with 42,000 entrants."

At the time WJMA was AM only. The phone number listed is 7263.

The rate card is #13 effective April 1, 1974. You could buy a one-time morning drive 60 second spot for $4.75, but if you bought 1,000 or more in a year the price dropped to $3.60 per spot. That's only about 20 spots a week.

You could also buy a "PIN Point Plan" (Participation In News) 60 second spot for $5.50. The Sports Broadcasters Club was available for a flat rate of $1.85 per day with billing based on the number of days in a month regardless of the number of spots run. And there was the announcer's favorite "LIP Service" spots (Local Impact Plan) where you got 30 5 second spots per day. The daily cost...$18.

The line drawing of the radio station on the front of the rate card sure looks like the work of Jean Love.

The Russ Roberts tape I recently digitized has Russ doing a great job on some LIP spots for Horsefeathers. If you didn't know about the all-you-can-eat seafood feast at Horsefeathers, you just weren't listening.

When I return from a short trip out of town, I'll scan these items and post them to the Yahoo site.

Ross
71-85

Preserving tapes

Les <grandmananer@...>
 

This is the lead for a story in Current (www.current.org), the magazine
for public broadcasting. The story focuses on pubtv stations and
producers preserving their tapes, but ties in with recent discussions
here about audio tape preservation.

It's hard finding resources to preserve tapes, but it's also hard to let
them go
Where broadcasters focus on today's productions for tomorrow, it's hard
to spend time and money on yesterday's. That's what Kentucky ETV and
Pacifica Radio have done. They're among the few pubcasters that have
committed to digital conversion and preservation of their program
archives. In a commentary, longtime Connecticut PTV programmer Sharon
Blair says it's hard to forgive yourself if you don't preserve past
programs.

Leonard Cowherd CBS/HBO

mary thompson <emmyte@...>
 

Ross,
Unfortunately, I live "in the sticks" where cable is not availableand we do not subscribe to satellite tv. Would LOVE to see the CBS special--if & when it's aired. PLEASE LET US KNOW, OK?
All love and best wishes to Lennie and his family. It was GREAT to see them at the reunion. We will have to do that again--maybe this fall or perhaps the spring? It is so important to keep in touch with good friends and have good times to share. It helps a lot to have happy memories.
Hope everyone has a safe and relaxing Labor Day. Take care. --Mary T (now W) 75-79

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Lennie is aware of, and grateful for the interest of many on this list.

Ross

Please let Mr. Cowherd know how interested we are in seeing the CBS
segment.


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Subject: [WJMA] Leonard Cowherd CBS/HBO

Today was the day a video crew from HBO spent the day at the Cowherd
home in Culpeper. HBO is working on a program based on the letters
of soldiers killed in Iraq. The Cowherds are one of 15 families
across the country who will be in the program scheduled to air on
Veterans Day.

The publicist from HBO told me that anyone with cable or satellite
TV service should be able to see the program as HBO will "unlock"
it's signal that day. She promised to keep me updated as 11/11 draws
near so the list will know show times.

Based on the interviews I could hear with Lenoard's wife Sarah,
Lennie & Mary Ann and Leonard's twin, Charles, this will be a
powerful show. I'm told the producer (whose name escapes me at the
moment) won awards for a similar program he did on Vietnam letters.

The Mother's Day card that Mary Ann received about a week after
Leonard was killed, is as good as the Sullivan Balleau letter in Ken
Burns' Civil War program on PBS.

As for CBS and the "Fallen Heros" segment on Leonard, Lennie said he
does not yet know why it has not aired. He has been unable to reach
his contact at CBS.

Ross
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