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Re: Vasectomy

Carol Hoy
 


Hello Ron,
I am looking for a Barral therapist  in the Long Island or Queens, NY area who practices all the Barral modalities and 
would be a good fit for a 17 year old dancer with an apparent achilles problem. 
Due to her foot pain she has not been able to dance or participate in sports since December.
I checked the IAHP directory with no luck, and my computer will not let me go to the Barral website.
Thank you,
Carol Hoy, LMT

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 7:17 PM drmariotti via groups.io <drmariotti=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Such a wonderful thing that you are so willing to take the time to make comments and help out. 

Wouldn't it be even more wonderful if you would sign your posts so we could all stay more connected in this disconnected world we live in. 

Ron


Re: Post Listening class excitement!

Winnie Tsu
 

That is awesome! Such a privilege to have learned this type of therapy from such outstanding therapists/healers

Winnie

On Apr 1, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Sara Foster <sara.kate.foster@gmail.com> wrote:

The listening class I took last week has lit up my life and work this week! I can’t recommend it enough!

Just a few of the amazing outcomes from sharpened listening taught in the class!

I had a patient this morning with strong L UE symptoms. My general listening took me to the anterior L UQ, but the listening through the arms seemed like it took me to the R arm, up the arm and across the body to the L! Spinal assessment pointed to C5 as the primary spinal listening, at the dura! When I listened to this in supine, I thought I could feel the dura there pulling into the R arm. I slackened the R arm and the patient had much easier movement of the L shoulder (her primary complaint is pain with ROM!). I worked on the cervical dura and the nerve sheath in the R arm using induction and direct stretches and she felt so much better!! So cool! It’s great to remember that one side contributes to the other in unexpected ways!

I had a wonderfully helpful cranial listening and induction yesterday with a headache patient! Something we had never found with my precious cranial assessments seemed to really release tension, deep inside!

And just now, I was with a long term patient who has a history of L hemiplegia from a CVA. She had an IVF filter placed about 4 months ago. During the IVF surgery, she had a pericardial bleed. We wanted to wait for that tissue to heal, so had paused our sessions. Today, she came back and told me her L hemiplegic shoulder has been tightening up and she wanted to work on that. All pericardial pain was gone and she was cleared by her cardiologist to begin therapy again. General listening took me L anterior and hard to decide if it was UQ or LQ. LL to thoracic did have a pull to the L shoulder, but primary was deep to the sternum. Turns out, her shoulder started tightening as she was healing from the pericardial bleed, but she hadn’t made that connection. I used induction in seated 3D releases, heart motility, induction with the diaphragm, and other techniques from VM4 on the sternum, all very gently! Her L arm was moving so much better and almost no pain by end of the session!

So grateful to have taken Ron’s Listening 1 class! Thanks for such a beautiful chance to practice and learn Ron!

In gratitude,
Sara





Post Listening class excitement!

Sara Foster
 

The listening class I took last week has lit up my life and work this week! I can’t recommend it enough!

Just a few of the amazing outcomes from sharpened listening taught in the class!

I had a patient this morning with strong L UE symptoms. My general listening took me to the anterior L UQ, but the listening through the arms seemed like it took me to the R arm, up the arm and across the body to the L! Spinal assessment pointed to C5 as the primary spinal listening, at the dura! When I listened to this in supine, I thought I could feel the dura there pulling into the R arm. I slackened the R arm and the patient had much easier movement of the L shoulder (her primary complaint is pain with ROM!). I worked on the cervical dura and the nerve sheath in the R arm using induction and direct stretches and she felt so much better!! So cool! It’s great to remember that one side contributes to the other in unexpected ways!

I had a wonderfully helpful cranial listening and induction yesterday with a headache patient! Something we had never found with my precious cranial assessments seemed to really release tension, deep inside!

And just now, I was with a long term patient who has a history of L hemiplegia from a CVA. She had an IVF filter placed about 4 months ago. During the IVF surgery, she had a pericardial bleed. We wanted to wait for that tissue to heal, so had paused our sessions. Today, she came back and told me her L hemiplegic shoulder has been tightening up and she wanted to work on that. All pericardial pain was gone and she was cleared by her cardiologist to begin therapy again. General listening took me L anterior and hard to decide if it was UQ or LQ. LL to thoracic did have a pull to the L shoulder, but primary was deep to the sternum. Turns out, her shoulder started tightening as she was healing from the pericardial bleed, but she hadn’t made that connection. I used induction in seated 3D releases, heart motility, induction with the diaphragm, and other techniques from VM4 on the sternum, all very gently! Her L arm was moving so much better and almost no pain by end of the session!

So grateful to have taken Ron’s Listening 1 class! Thanks for such a beautiful chance to practice and learn Ron!

In gratitude,
Sara


Cystic Fibrosis

Hailey Alfred
 

Hi all!

I have recently received an email that reads, " Our adult sons (24 and 27) have cystic fibrosis with significant GI manifestations, including distal intestinal obstruction syndrome, acid reflux, and pelvic floor dysfunction.  I'd like to know if visceral manipulation may be helpful...."

What my question is, are there any special contraindications or precautions with working with someone with cystic fibrosis?  I will of course go through GL, LL, MTE, etc to find their body's primary concern to treat, but wanted to make sure CF isn't an issue.

Thank you in advance,
Hailey
VM 1-5.  


Re: Guts With Mesh

drmariotti@...
 

Hi Joyce, 
 
So funny you should ask. I have a patient right now that I'm scheduled to start working with… Potentially… who is having significant pain issues after having mesh inserted due to a hernia. 
 
Once the mash is in, well, there's nothing much you can do about it.

In fact, with visceral manipulation, we don't work directly over the mesh. However, I have found it to be very effective to work with the arteries, the nerves, and the associated organs that may be compromised due to the insertion of the mesh.

I see that you have had VM1 level training. I would recommend you wait until after you've had at least the vascular courses before you consider working with mesh patients more specifically.

Ron Mariotti


Guts With Mesh

Joyce Cowens
 

Curious to know what level of VM can I learn about how to deal with surgical mesh in the abdomen.  A recent client had a mesh sling placed for incontinence and the surgeon  reported the difficulty of inserting the needles and mesh, because of an old hernia repair with mesh.  What I notice with mesh is how even with releases, the mesh almost always rebounds back to its original home.  I am very interested in a class to learn how to deal with this mesh.  Thank you.
Joyce Cowens, VM1


Re: stomach movement while swallowing

neager_4@...
 

Hi Tom,
Thank you! You caught me, I try not to be biased, but I definitely am with her hx; however, I was able to stay true to the listening for her treatment. Her listening on our 1st session did go into an emotional cause related to the internal thoracic artery. We did some VM5-6 work on that, general fascial release in the area, balancing of the CST rhythm throughout the body, and a little NM work at the T-spine to clean up what was found and Rx'd with the VM work. She noted some emotional solace afterward, fingers crossed for some physical relief.
:-) Nicole


Re: stomach movement while swallowing

Thomas Takeuchi
 

Nicole
Based on your classes taken I would assess with VM5, manual thermal. Is the listening taking you to a functional, mechanical, or emotional cause?  Functional or mechanical are totally different aspects and require different approaches. 

Where, what specifically is the Listening. With LT1 you have the experience to be Specific. Following the Listening. Differentiate. Use Layered palpation and Qualities of perception from LT.   are there associated factors?  Use extended Listening from the same class….  Is there a system Listening?…  Is there a neural or vascular component?  And if so, assess with NM1 for a CNS, spinal cord or peripheral nerve component.   Especially with a fusion of T7-12. Opsee. I am influenced by her history. Anyway after recognizing the elephant in the room, remember your thoracic work, especially the diaphragm, vagus and phrenic nerves, and crura of the diaphragm to pelvis-sacrum. 

Always follow the Listening. GL, MT, or LL

What a great reminder. Gail Wetzler suggested doing functional listening. Listening when the person is having their symptoms. The activity or position. In this case, swallowing. 

As for making comment on cause or treatment, I would show my bias and prejudices which Dr Barral would refrain from. Plus I am usually incorrect 


Tom Takeuchi (VM1-6, NM1-5, VVML, VVMU, LT1-2, MALE, MAUE, MASP, VNAMS, CI-CRBMT, NVMTA)


On Feb 24, 2022, at 10:55 PM, neager_4@... wrote:

Hi everybody,
I was doing a VM session with a patient the other day and noticed she has extremely large movements of the stomach while swallowing. It is almost as if you feel a blob of lead drop into her gut when she swallows her saliva every time. She has a complicated medical hx, most pertinent is a fusion from T7-12 with corresponding numbness surrounding the mid-lower thoracic dermatomes and semi-recent concussion.
I have never seen this atypical stomach response to swallowing before. Any suggestions from a VM perspective; causes or treatment approaches? I am following GL and LL (will continue to do this) and the 1st session went very well. 
Thanks in advance, 
Nicole Stevens (VM1-6, NM1, VVML, VVMU, LT1, CST1)


Re: stomach movement while swallowing

Dagmar
 

After treating treating the GL/LL I would do a GL/LL while she swallows very slowly and see what comes up.

Dagmar Growe, LMT

VM1-6, LT, NM1-4, ACA1 VVMU, VVML

--
Dagmar Growe
Kinesthetic Restoration & Massage


stomach movement while swallowing

neager_4@...
 

Hi everybody,
I was doing a VM session with a patient the other day and noticed she has extremely large movements of the stomach while swallowing. It is almost as if you feel a blob of lead drop into her gut when she swallows her saliva every time. She has a complicated medical hx, most pertinent is a fusion from T7-12 with corresponding numbness surrounding the mid-lower thoracic dermatomes and semi-recent concussion.
I have never seen this atypical stomach response to swallowing before. Any suggestions from a VM perspective; causes or treatment approaches? I am following GL and LL (will continue to do this) and the 1st session went very well. 
Thanks in advance, 
Nicole Stevens (VM1-6, NM1, VVML, VVMU, LT1, CST1)


Re: Pre study materials for Jean Pierre’s Brain class

Holly Krebs
 

Studying general brain structures would be most helpful for this class.

Barral oriented us well to the lobes and cortex of the brain, the corpus callosum, arterial and venous flow into and out of the brain, and limbic and other structures, especially in relation to sensory pathways.

The anatomy I most wish I had studied before the class was the optic and olfactory nerves and the structures they communicate with.

All my best,

Holly Krebs
VM1-5, LT1, VAP, VVMU, VVML, VM-ACA-CG-2, and Brain 1

Certified Rolfer®
(she/her)

Kinetikos Bodywork Therapy at Vitality Health Collective
401 Arkansas St, Lawrence, KS 66044
www.kinetikos.com, 785-832-1720


On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 11:39 AM Kelly Handyside <kahandyside@...> wrote:
Hello Matthew & Connie, 

I would suggest watching The Brain Part 1 videos if you have them. I watched and took notes which prepared me tremendously for the class. 
If you don’t have the videos, here’s the link is below (I do not get any bonus for suggesting a product ;)


It’s an amazing class! Enjoy!


Peace & be well, 

Kelly


-- 
Kelly Handyside LMT, CST-T, CVTP
NeuroLotus
241 E. Nine Mile Rd
Ferndale, MI 48220
(248)506-5371  
kahandyside@...
www.iahp.com/kahandyside
neurolotus.life





On Feb 20, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Connie Cronin <cmcronin@...> wrote:

I would like to know also.  And perhaps the Bay Area folk going could get together before?

Connie Cronin LAc

On Feb 20, 2022, at 7:09 PM, matthew haug via groups.io <Matthaug2002@...> wrote:

Help!…I am sure there must be people who have taken the Brain class on this list.

What anatomy should I review prior to taking the class?

Cranial nerves?..or more gross anatomy such as Thalamus, Hypothalamus, Ventricles, ..?

Thanks for any info


Matt Haug LAc



Re: Pre study materials for Jean Pierre’s Brain class

Kelly Handyside
 

Hello Matthew & Connie, 

I would suggest watching The Brain Part 1 videos if you have them. I watched and took notes which prepared me tremendously for the class. 
If you don’t have the videos, here’s the link is below (I do not get any bonus for suggesting a product ;)


It’s an amazing class! Enjoy!


Peace & be well, 

Kelly


-- 
Kelly Handyside LMT, CST-T, CVTP
NeuroLotus
241 E. Nine Mile Rd
Ferndale, MI 48220
(248)506-5371  
kahandyside@...
www.iahp.com/kahandyside
neurolotus.life





On Feb 20, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Connie Cronin <cmcronin@...> wrote:

I would like to know also.  And perhaps the Bay Area folk going could get together before?

Connie Cronin LAc

On Feb 20, 2022, at 7:09 PM, matthew haug via groups.io <Matthaug2002@...> wrote:

Help!…I am sure there must be people who have taken the Brain class on this list.

What anatomy should I review prior to taking the class?

Cranial nerves?..or more gross anatomy such as Thalamus, Hypothalamus, Ventricles, ..?

Thanks for any info


Matt Haug LAc



Re: Pre study materials for Jean Pierre’s Brain class

Connie Cronin
 

I would like to know also.  And perhaps the Bay Area folk going could get together before?

Connie Cronin LAc

On Feb 20, 2022, at 7:09 PM, matthew haug via groups.io <Matthaug2002@...> wrote:

Help!…I am sure there must be people who have taken the Brain class on this list.

What anatomy should I review prior to taking the class?

Cranial nerves?..or more gross anatomy such as Thalamus, Hypothalamus, Ventricles, ..?

Thanks for any info


Matt Haug LAc


Pre study materials for Jean Pierre’s Brain class

matthew haug
 

Help!…I am sure there must be people who have taken the Brain class on this list.

What anatomy should I review prior to taking the class?

Cranial nerves?..or more gross anatomy such as Thalamus, Hypothalamus, Ventricles, ..?

Thanks for any info


Matt Haug LAc


Re: Client with heart palpitations/A-Fib episodes, distention/bloating/heartburn

saltzman25
 

Hi Brittany,

Hopefully someone who has taken VM 4 and has worked with the heart/pericardium will chime in here.
But as soon as you mentioned the ribs, this makes me think diaphragm. We learned a technique in VM for releasing the right triangular ligament of the liver. This has been a successful addition for me in practice since it releases their diaphragm and patients can usually feel the release instantly— saying they can get a deeper breath.

The lower esophageal mobilization in sitting, for treating hiatal hernia will provide results if this is related to hernia. I have found this one to provide longer lasting results for my patients with suspected hiatal hernia.

Helpful to know whether these symptoms are worse when lying on her back vs her side, but perhaps out of the scope of this forum. 

Hope this helps!

Sheila Saltzman DPT, IFMCP 
VM1, VM2


Re: Client with heart palpitations/A-Fib episodes, distention/bloating/heartburn

drmariotti@...
 

If you're curious on how to treat SIBO with VM I created a special clinical rounds on the VMstudygroup.com website addressing this topic. If you're not already registered on the VMstudygroup.com website as a curious subscriber then you will need to do so in order to view the page. Here's the link to the page. https://vmstudygroup.com/covid-viscera-miniseries/small-intestine-bacterial-overgrowth-sibo-neuroplasticity-of-the-gut-and-the-role-of-visceral-manipulation/

Also, if you'd like to see a discussion I gave to the Australian osteopathic Association's annual convention in 2013 on the neuroplasticity of the gut, where I also discuss some applications of visceral manipulation for atrial fibrillation check out the following link. https://visceralsynergy.com/dr.-mariotti-s-videos.shtml

Ron Mariotti, ND BI-D


Re: Client with heart palpitations/A-Fib episodes, distention/bloating/heartburn

Kathryn Hightower
 

Hi there,

 

I recommend she see a naturopathic doctor (okay, I’m a little biased!) for comprehensive health plan. If she’s only having these at night, it’s probably not a-fib but GERD. Acid blockers will only make GERD worse over time but are REALLY hard to wean off of. If your listening is taking you upwards, she may also have a hiatal hernia which is a great candidate for visceral manip, but if there’s a hernia she needs to do daily treatment to bring it down, so she can avoid surgery. Also sounds like she may have SIBO. Visceral manipulation is really great for treating this, but only as phase three of treatment, after antibiotics/antimicrobials and diet changes. She needs to be worked up for these problems, because I don’t think you’ll get traction with VM without the other pieces in place.

 

Kathryn Hightower, N.D.

(she/her)

Emerald City Clinic, Inc., P.S.

1409 NW 85th St, Seattle, WA 98117

Phone: (206) 781-2206

Fax: (206) 783-3949

drkathryn@...

www.emeraldcityclinic.com

emeraldcityclinic.blogspot.com

 

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From: Visceral-Manipulation-Forum@groups.io [mailto:Visceral-Manipulation-Forum@groups.io] On Behalf Of bcraven82@...
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To: Visceral-Manipulation-Forum@groups.io
Subject: [vmforum] Client with heart palpitations/A-Fib episodes, distention/bloating/heartburn

 

Hi everyone, 

I have been working on this client even before I took VM1 8 months ago. She gets some improvement but within 2 weeks the bloating/distention gets bad again and the palpitations and A-fib episodes keep happening sporadically. She tends to get the A-fib when relaxed and starting to fall asleep- and is then woken up, sometimes lasting more than 40 minutes as she tries to massage the stomach to get it to settle. She is on a beta blocker since these attacks first started. 

She had her gallbladder removed - which did not help her symptoms. About 30 years ago she had Thyroid removed and after that had a hysterectomy. Thyroid removal caused a lot of depression and brain fog but she has been off anti-depressants and her thyroid levels are stable. She recently started taking anti-acids again since her heartburn felt like it was causing palpitations. She is constipated when not taking magnesium.

GL often brings me to sacrum or to liver. LL often to gallbladder or heart and sometimes lungs. 

She is so distended it can be difficult for me to get into gallbladder and stretch the common bile duct. I stretch the stomach since it is definitely sucking midline and up toward heart with heavy connective tissue tension around R and L ribs that makes her L T6-T8 region cramp. Sphincter work usually gets good responses and settles things down but I'd like to get her longer lasting relief.

Does anyone have ideas or experience/success treating someone with palpitations/A-fib? I can't seem to get her stomach to fully settle out from under the ribs to stop putting pressure on the heart.

Thank you,
Brittany Craven, LMT
VM1


Client with heart palpitations/A-Fib episodes, distention/bloating/heartburn

bcraven82@...
 

Hi everyone, 

I have been working on this client even before I took VM1 8 months ago. She gets some improvement but within 2 weeks the bloating/distention gets bad again and the palpitations and A-fib episodes keep happening sporadically. She tends to get the A-fib when relaxed and starting to fall asleep- and is then woken up, sometimes lasting more than 40 minutes as she tries to massage the stomach to get it to settle. She is on a beta blocker since these attacks first started. 

She had her gallbladder removed - which did not help her symptoms. About 30 years ago she had Thyroid removed and after that had a hysterectomy. Thyroid removal caused a lot of depression and brain fog but she has been off anti-depressants and her thyroid levels are stable. She recently started taking anti-acids again since her heartburn felt like it was causing palpitations. She is constipated when not taking magnesium.

GL often brings me to sacrum or to liver. LL often to gallbladder or heart and sometimes lungs. 

She is so distended it can be difficult for me to get into gallbladder and stretch the common bile duct. I stretch the stomach since it is definitely sucking midline and up toward heart with heavy connective tissue tension around R and L ribs that makes her L T6-T8 region cramp. Sphincter work usually gets good responses and settles things down but I'd like to get her longer lasting relief.

Does anyone have ideas or experience/success treating someone with palpitations/A-fib? I can't seem to get her stomach to fully settle out from under the ribs to stop putting pressure on the heart.

Thank you,
Brittany Craven, LMT
VM1


Repair (w/ mesh) of abdominal fascia like 'wet tissue paper' not possible in abdominal hernia

Dr. David Miller ND
 

Hi there, 

I have an old patient (75 yo F) whose surgeon didn't go through with the surgical mesh due to the fascia being like wet tissue paper. 

She wants visceral manipulation (we have done this in the past with some success) -- she is aware that this is not a situation I see on a regular basis and is in enough discomfort that she wants to go through with it. She says that her 'abdomen is concave on the right side, my organs are all pushed over to the left side where they bulge out'.

She wears a body binder when she is out. 

My question to you experienced clinicians is regarding any safety or efficacy tips -- do you have any experience or insight?

Thank you for any advice you have.

David Miller ND

VM 1, 2

CS 1

LT 1


Re: Client with excessive belching

karin@...
 

Lynnea,
The case you described sounds just like a patient that started with me recently. He developed severe belching especially at night after a bout with COVID. I am a nutritionist and physical therapist so he came to me for help with the belching. I had a hunch that he may have a microbiome dysbiosis situation, specifically SIBO. COVID may have damaged his enteric nervous system contributing to a dysfunctional migrating motor complex in which the small intestine wasn't able to produce its normal sweeping peristaltic wave. I did a VM assessment and there are things to work on which is no surprise. I sent him home to implement a low FODMAP which I use diagnostically and for symptom relief. Sure enough his belching had resolved. He also had to go on a course of antibiotics for a tooth procedure which made him feel even better. Next steps he will complete a SIBO breath test to identify what gas is produced and I will have him start an herbal antimicrobial protocol and then we'll work on expanding his diet. I'll be working with VM techniques along the way to help with mobility. I hope this helps!
Karin Michalk, MS PT CN CNS
VM1-2

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