HP App Notes 201-X series wanted
|
Someone pointed out to me that the following HP App notes
HP AN 201 series: #201-1 1976 2108A ++ Automatic Q-A Evaluation of Precision Resistors #201-2 1976 2108A ++ Measuring Differential Non-Linearity of a Voltage-Controlled Oscillator #201-3 1976 2113A ++ A Multiple Station Electronic Test System #201-4 1977 HP1000 ++ Performance Evaluation of HP-IB Using RTE Operating Systems #201-5 1977 HP1000 ++ The HP-IB Link: Control of Distributed HP-IB Devices #201-6 1980 HP1000-9825 Computer Communications: HP 9825 - HP 1000 #201-7 1978 HP1000-3455 High-Performance Software for the HP 3455A/3495A Subsystem #201-8 1979 HP1000 ++ The Use of Device Subroutines with the HP 1000 Computers are mostly about instrument control using HP-IB and HP 1000 computers. And they don't seem to be online. Does anyone have paper originals they would sell me? They'd eventually be scanned (well) and put online. HP App notes I have: http://everist.org/spacejunk/want/HP_app_notes_I_have.txt A list of known HP App notes: http://everist.org/spacejunk/want/HP_Application_Notes.htm Guy
|
|
|
|
Roland Dietiker
Hello Guy I have the following AN‘s scanned and available on https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/Application Notes
Currently not scanned, but in my library existing:
AN 201-4 Perf Eval. Of HP-IB using RTE Op Sys. AN 201-5 The HP-IB LINK AN 201-8 The Use Of Device Sub. With HP 1000 AN 401-3 AN 401-4 AN 401-5 AN 401-6 AN 401-9 AN 401-10 AN 401-11 AN 401-12 AN 401-13 AN 401-14 AN 401-15 AN 401-16 AN 401-17 AN 401-19 AN 401-21 AN 401-22 AN 401-23 AN 401-24
Product Note 3852-1: Programming Guide to the HP3852A and the HP System 1000 Product Note 3235-1 : Programming Guide to the HP3235A Switch/Test Unit and the HP System 1000
I will earlier or later scan it, but currently I am missing the time for it.
Best regards Roland
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Someone pointed out to me that the following HP App notes
HP AN 201 series: #201-1 1976 2108A ++ Automatic Q-A Evaluation of Precision Resistors #201-2 1976 2108A ++ Measuring Differential Non-Linearity of a Voltage-Controlled Oscillator #201-3 1976 2113A ++ A Multiple Station Electronic Test System #201-4 1977 HP1000 ++ Performance Evaluation of HP-IB Using RTE Operating Systems #201-5 1977 HP1000 ++ The HP-IB Link: Control of Distributed HP-IB Devices #201-6 1980 HP1000-9825 Computer Communications: HP 9825 - HP 1000 #201-7 1978 HP1000-3455 High-Performance Software for the HP 3455A/3495A Subsystem #201-8 1979 HP1000 ++ The Use of Device Subroutines with the HP 1000 Computers
are mostly about instrument control using HP-IB and HP 1000 computers. And they don't seem to be online.
Does anyone have paper originals they would sell me? They'd eventually be scanned (well) and put online.
HP App notes I have: http://everist.org/spacejunk/want/HP_app_notes_I_have.txt A list of known HP App notes: http://everist.org/spacejunk/want/HP_Application_Notes.htm
Guy
|
|
|
|
Thanks Roland - looking forward to putting several of these notes to good use over the next year.
Much appreciated! -- Jack www.computerarium.org
|
|
|
|
Wolfgang Schraml
Hi Roland,
Thank you for posting these. Not sure where you are located - I could help with the scanning. I live in WA state. A few of the ones you listed are already available in PDF format - I uploaded them to the files section (quality not great for some of them so it may make sense to rescan at a higher resolution): AN 401-3 - 5345A Electronic Counter - HP1000 Programming Example AN 401-13 - 3325A Synthesizer and 1000 Computer HP-IB Programming Guide AN 401-15 - 8672A Synthesized Signal Generator and 1000 Computer HP-IB Programming Guide AN 401-16 - 436A Microwave Power Meter and 1000 Computer Programming Guide AN 401-17 - 8620C Sweep Oscillator and 1000 Computer HP-IB Programming Guide AN 401-19 - 8660 Signal Generator and 1000 Computer HP-IB Programming Guide Thank you, wschraml, KI7PFX
|
|
|
|
I've added leading zeros to single digit appnotes in the 401 series so they sort correctly in the files directory.
-- Jack www.computerarium.org
|
|
|
|
Roland Dietiker
Hi Wolfgang I am located in Switzerland, english is really not my mother tongue…. AN’s: Thanks for the hints. I hope the scan quality of mine copies is acceptable.
One of my goal is to scan all my manuals / datasheets which I haven’t found in the libraries.
Best regards Roland
Von: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] Im Auftrag von Wolfgang Schraml
Hi Roland,
|
|
|
|
Wolfgang Schraml
Hi Roland,
The ones you scanned look fine, no worries. Application notes that originate from Keysight's repository sometimes look bad, especially if there are any pictures in them. Appears they scanned them in B&W only. Based on your location, it sounds cost-prohibitive to send a lot of documents across the ocean for scanning ... Thank you for contributing these AN's that haven't been previously published yet! Wolfgang
|
|
|
|
Roland Dietiker
Hi Wolfgang Thanks for your offer for scanning. It seams we are not directly neighbours.
I added the following documents to the Application Note library at https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/Application%20Notes :
- AN 201-04 Performance Evaluation of HP-IB Using RTE Operating Systems - AN 201-05 The HP-IB LINK Control of Distributed HP-IB Devices - AN 201-08 The Use Of Device Subroutines With HP 1000 Computers - AN 401-03 5345A Electronic Counter HP-IB HP 1000 Programming Example - AN 401-04 5342A Microwave Frequency Counter HP 1000 Computer Programming Guide - AN 401-05 5328A Universal Counter HP-IB HP 1000 Programming Example - AN 401-09 HP 6002A Power Supply HP 1000 Computer Programming Guide - AN 401-10 HP 3437A System Voltmeter HP 1000 Computer Programming Guide - AN 401-11 HP 3495A Scanner HP 1000 Computer Programming Guide - AN 401-12 HP 3582A Spectrum Analyzer HP 1000 Computer Programming Guide
I modified the AN numbers as Jack mentioned.
The remaining documents will follow early or later...
Best regards Roland Von: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] Im Auftrag von Wolfgang Schraml
Hi Roland,
|
|
|
|
Thanks to those who've added more in the VintHP files section.
I've updated the list http://everist.org/spacejunk/want/HP_Application_Notes.htm to include titles mentioned in this thread (401 series) that were missing. It also links to three ANs I've scanned in the past: 64-3 1980 436A-346A Accurate and Automatic Noise Figure Measurements Zip file 73 1966 5201L-5551A Calibration of a Gamma Ray Spectrometer RARbook 139 1971 5586A Stabilizing Gamma-Ray Spectrometer Systems with the HP 5586A Spectrum Stabilizer RARbook All as experiments; I'm not a fan of PDF and its limitations. Also thanks for pointing out the AN401 series. Now I'm looking for copies of the 201 *and* 401 series. Again, I'm seeking paper copies. Digital in reasonable quality is OK for practical use, but my purpose is also to preserve originals. Guy
|
|
|
|
Roland Dietiker
Hi Guy
After scanning, the original documents are free of charge, preferred to offical libraries or museums. Except the cost for transportation from switzerland to the receivers destination. Best regards Roland -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] Im Auftrag von Guy Dunphy Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. November 2019 12:35 An: VintHPcom@groups.io Betreff: [VintHPcom] HP App Notes 201-X series wanted Someone pointed out to me that the following HP App notes HP AN 201 series: #201-1 1976 2108A ++ Automatic Q-A Evaluation of Precision Resistors #201-2 1976 2108A ++ Measuring Differential Non-Linearity of a Voltage-Controlled Oscillator #201-3 1976 2113A ++ A Multiple Station Electronic Test System #201-4 1977 HP1000 ++ Performance Evaluation of HP-IB Using RTE Operating Systems #201-5 1977 HP1000 ++ The HP-IB Link: Control of Distributed HP-IB Devices #201-6 1980 HP1000-9825 Computer Communications: HP 9825 - HP 1000 #201-7 1978 HP1000-3455 High-Performance Software for the HP 3455A/3495A Subsystem #201-8 1979 HP1000 ++ The Use of Device Subroutines with the HP 1000 Computers are mostly about instrument control using HP-IB and HP 1000 computers. And they don't seem to be online. Does anyone have paper originals they would sell me? They'd eventually be scanned (well) and put online. HP App notes I have: http://everist.org/spacejunk/want/HP_app_notes_I_have.txt A list of known HP App notes: http://everist.org/spacejunk/want/HP_Application_Notes.htm Guy
|
|
|
|
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:45 AM, Roland Dietiker wrote:
Thanks for all the AN. I downloaded quite a few. I'd love to see someone post: #201-6 1980 HP1000-9825 Computer Communications: HP 9825 - HP 1000 the HP 9825 not being the most friendly machine for computer communications ;-). Marc
|
|
|
|
Roland Dietiker
Hi Marc Sorry but I can’t help with this document, it is not in my library. I hope somebody else could help….
Good luck Roland
Von: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] Im Auftrag von CuriousMarc
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:45 AM, Roland Dietiker wrote:
|
|
|
|
At 12:41 AM 21/11/2019 -0800, Marc wrote:
Thanks for all the AN. I downloaded quite a few. Yes indeed. My particular 'want list' at the moment: 201-3 A Multiple Station Electronic Test System 201-4 Performance Evaluation of HP-IB Using RTE Operating Systems 201-5 The HP-IB Link: Control of Distributed HP-IB Devices 201-6 Computer Communications: HP 9825 - HP 1000 201-8 The Use of Device Subroutines with the HP 1000 Computers 401-1 HP 1000/HP-IB Programming Proceedures 5953-2800 401-9 6002A Power Supply - HP-IB - HP 1000 Computer Programming Guide 5953-2808 I'm feeling very sad, due to finding out that the App Notes someone was offering to me for free, turn out to be ones that he 'simplified and improved scanning', by cutting off their spines. Resulting in a bunch of loose pages in ring binders. Sob. This is such a frequent, tragic scenario. Someone realises they hold some precious, rare old technical documents, with the total number still in existence possibly being in the single digits, maybe even just ONE. So they understand there's a need to digitize and post the digital copy online. But to do so, they DESTROY that precious paper original. Thinking that doing so is justified by convenience (for them) in scanning. Because they think getting it scanned is the only end goal. But no, the highest priority goal is to PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL. Because it's a rare, historical document, the physical form is an essential element of its nature, and it's the only form in which _all_ the aesthetic attributes considered important by the original publishers are guaranteed to be preserved. Also it's guaranteed to be completely authentic, with no potential for digital alterations, deliberate or accidental, honest or deceptive. This is important. Scanning and distributing a digital copy is by far a secondary goal. Cutting the spine off is definitely detroying the original document. Sure the pages still exist, but loose in a binder they are somewhat a mockery of the original form. Anyone convincing themselves otherwise is 'reasoning towards convenience', ie mentally lazy. They want to feel self-important by doing the public work of scanning, but lost sight of they fact they had a moral obligation to preserve the original intact. It's more convenient for them to feed loose pages through an automatic scanner, so they rated their own convenience higher than the value of the document itself. When there's no real obstacle to scanning such documents intact, without damage. You just have to do them manually, page by page. If your scanner can't handle documents with spines then get one that can. Or give the document to someone who CAN scan it without destroying it. Forgive me if I'm ranting. But I've just seen a photo of a _lot_ of HP App Notes, all de-spined and put in a ring binder. And the resulting scan quality is what I consider quite poor. Lo-res, fax mode with jaggy text, B&W, images ruined. Deeply insulting to everyone involved in publishing the original work. It's better than having absolutely no record of the original, but if any of those de-spined originals were the last physical copy in existence, it's absolutely tragic. To everyone who still holds original intact printed copies of technical works: Please, _please_ preserve them as they are. Don't throw them out, or damage/destroy them in a scanning process. The present day technology of digitization and final file encapsulation is NOT adequate to properly preserve the content and spirit of detailed technical documents. PDF itself has fundamental technical flaws that render it unsuitable for use as a preservation format. Eventually, pretty much everything that's online now as scanned PDFs is going to have to be rescanned with improved methods, once they are available. But a lot of the paper originals will no longer exist then, due to people having destroyed them in inadequate scanning process, or just thrown them out since 'they are scanned now.' This era is going to be reviled by future generations, as the age that converted many great cultural and technical works of art to lo-res digital trash, and destroyed the originals. Alexandria Again - http://everist.org/NobLog/20190223_full_spectrum.htm#alex I suppose I should have just shut up and graciously accepted those de-spined App Notes in binders. At least they could still be re-scanned in better resolution, color, shading and saturation, etc. Eventually someone will have to do it. But to me the sight of them would be distressing, and in binders they'd integrate very awkwardly with my existing collection of HP App notes. So thanks for the offer but no. I'll keep looking for intact originals. Guy
|
|
|
|
al_kossow
On 11/21/19 7:00 PM, Guy Dunphy wrote:
Sob.sure sucks to be you guess they should have just shredded them and saved you all that grief
|
|
|
|
Guy,
Yes, you are ranting and while it's good to know your point of view, others would argue the opposite. For some of us, sharing information with the larger user community may take precedence over preserving the original format of an otherwise unavailable publication. If you have a set of guidelines or techniques that might be used to better scan and preserve printed information, software, etc., please share them here. Otherwise, please try to keep your communications constructive and supportive. Thank you. -- Jack www.computerarium.org
|
|
|
|
Ken Seefried
> Yes, you are ranting and while it's good to know your point of view,
others > would argue the opposite. For some of us, sharing information
with the larger > user community may take precedence over preserving the
original format of > an otherwise unavailable publication. Indeed. That condescending pile of tripe reminds me of the "Comic Book Guy"...he's got the single copy of some rare comic book, but it's encased in plastic, no one will ever see it because it's a sin against the comic book gods to touch it, it's only brought out to wave in front of other Comic Book Guys who wouldn't pull it out of the plastic either, so who cares. That's for collectors/speculators...not people who actually do things. I'll take an amateur scan of a datasheet with the spine cut off over a pristine copy I can't see because it's in some dilettantes moms basement moldering away because they can't contaminate their precious bodily fluids and allow a less than (in their own mind) perfect copy of a pristine document. With respect to Al K, who I know has standards with respect to quality of scans, these things were put on earth to convey information quickly and cheaply to as many engineers as possible. They aren't meant to hang in the Louvre.
|
|
|
|
David Collins
To that end, there are a bunch of new documents in the HP Computer Museum that I couldnt see anywhere else on the web... as follows; 17th November, 2019 9000_BeginnersGuidetoHPUX_B1862-90000_272pages_Jan91.pdf 2.481 MB 17th November, 2019 VectraXM_5XX_Series4_UsersGuide_D3960-90001_140pages_Dec95.pdf 2.617 MB 17th November, 2019 VectraVL_5XX_Series4_UsersGuide_D3645-90051_140pages_Sep95.pdf 2.304 MB 17th November, 2019 VectraVL_5XX_Series3_UsersGuide_D3405-90051_130pages_Aug95.pdf 1.591 MB 17th November, 2019 QuickReferenceGuidetoHP9830ABASIC_09830-90039_19pages_Jul75.pdf 0.596 MB 17th November, 2019 Integral_RAMEnhancements_InstallationInstructions_5955-8736_16pages_Aug87.pdf 0.566 MB 17th November, 2019 HPSureStoreTape_GettingStarted_C1529-90901_346pages_Feb95.pdf 5.397 MB 17th November, 2019 BusinessBasic300_ReferenceManual_31442-90001_290pages_Nov78.pdf 2.517 MB 17th November, 2019 82919A_Opt001_SerialInterfaceInstallationInstructions_82919-90016_8pages_Oct86.pdf 0.355 MB 17th November, 2019 9871AOpts10_20_21_30_OperatingManual_09871-90000_74pages_Nov75.pdf 2.252 MB 17th November, 2019 9845B_ACompleteComputingSolution_5953-1017_14pages_May79.pdf 8.145 MB 17th November, 2019 9000_UsingSerialLineIPProtocols_98194-90051_66pages_Jan95.pdf 0.868 MB 17th November, 2019 9000_Series800_InstallingandUpdatingHPUX_9_B3108-90006_233pages_Aug82.pdf 2.294 MB 17th November, 2019 9000_Series800_HPUX_MasterIndex_B3108-90003_188pages_Aug92.pdf 1.989 MB 17th November, 2019 9000_NetworkingOverview_B1012-90013_53pages_Dec93.pdf 1.029 MB 17th November, 2019 9000_AdministeringARPA Services_B1014-90008_341pages_Aug95.pdf 4.48 MB 17th November, 2019 9000_300_400_600_800Series_ErrorMessage_Catalog_B1862-90004_178pages_Jun95.pdf 2.011 MB 17th November, 2019 9000_800_ReleaseNotesforHPUX9_B3108-90002_270pages_Aug92.pdf 2.793 MB 17th November, 2019 2608A_CEHandbook_36pages_Jun80.pdf 0.606 MB 17th November, 2019 2566B_2567B_CEHandbook_02566-90986_186pages_Feb89.pdf 1.973 MB 17th November, 2019 SettingYouFreeWithDrawingGallery_45411-90004_102pages_Jan85.pdf 2.078 MB 17th November, 2019 HPDesktopComputerBASICReferenceManual_09845-90009_44pages_Feb78.pdf 0.627 MB 17th November, 2019 9000_Series700800_UsingtheDTCManagerUX_J2120-90015_214pages_Jun95.pdf 3.006 MB I can see both sides of the argument on documentation - but personally I'd rather have the information communicated to a group of people who are likely to use it in keeping vintage equipment alive than preserve a single document for the sake of preserving it, at the expense of sharing the knowledge contained within. Just my view. David Collins
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 15:33, Jack Rubin <j@...> wrote: Guy,
|
|
|
|
Steve Leibson
Oh, I do beg your pardon, Seefried. All of my user manuals and
app notes are da Vinci quality. :-) --Steve Leibson
On 11/21/2019 9:05 PM, Ken Seefried
wrote:
-- Steve Leibson Phone (Cell): 408-910-5992 Phone (Home): 408-292-4930 Please feel free to link to me on LinkedIn History site: www.hp9825.com #Iwork4Intel
|
|
|
|
Steve Leibson
A note on the "How they do dat" manual documenting the HP 16-bit hybrid microprocessor (circa 1976) used in the HP 9825/31/35/45 desktop computers, complete with original cartoons by my friend Rand Renfroe. My inherited copy of this exceedingly rare document (less than 50
copies printed, all numbered) came from Fred Wenninger's Kansas
barn where, over the last four decades, non-domesticated rodents
of variable size had chewed a corner of multiple pages and the
plastic comb spine had become embrittled with age and 40 years of
hot/cold cycles. This "pristine" work needed scanning before it
further deteriorated. I had to buy a large-format scanner just to
scan this one document and I didn't hesitate one nanosecond to
tear the deteriorated plastic spine off the document to facilitate
scanning. Then I replaced the spine with a new one. Can't do
anything about the mouse bites. Yes, I did not damage the document
further, but I would have gladly cut the spine off, if it were
perfect bound, to get a good scan. There are lots of deteriorated documents in museums. Take a fresh peek at a photo of the Rosetta stone, for example. --Steve Leibson
On 11/21/2019 9:05 PM, Ken Seefried
wrote:
-- Steve Leibson Phone (Cell): 408-910-5992 Phone (Home): 408-292-4930 Please feel free to link to me on LinkedIn History site: www.hp9825.com #Iwork4Intel
|
|
|
|
At 08:17 PM 21/11/2019 -0800, aek wrote:
I'm not surprised you take that view, considering your own (bitsavers.org) scanning process is usually destructive. As you say on the bitsavers front page. At least you warn, so people sending media to you understand what will happen. Btw, I do think it's above average that he neatly preserved the spine-cut pages. I am just not interested in them myself, and think cutting them was a bad choice. One person doing that, not such a big deal. But so many people (you included) do that kind of thing. It's reducing the pool of surviving tech works. I wonder what the pie chart would actually look like: tech docs still existing from original print qty, ones that got destroyed in scanning, ones just plain destroyed/binned/landfilled, etc. I'm guessing the last one is very large, 'still surviving' is less than 1/4, and destroyed in scanning... is eating away at the survivors. Also I'm quite aware of the issues with storing large volumes of media. Just now have been discussing elsewhere, what can be done about an entire full-length shipping container full of technical books. It's currently parked in a field. Guy
|
|
|