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Re: HP-HIL and USB

Anders
 

Thanks. Looked at it briefly on the web earlier. Not sure if it was the exact same version though. Have now printed it out and will read over the weekend. Would still like to see scope traces though :)


Re: HP-HIL and USB

rmb_guru
 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:28 PM, Anders wrote:
Gentlemen!

First excuse me. I had totally missed the distinction between "HP-IL" and "HP-HIL". I might have a go at adapting my USB-to-series200 adapter to HP-HIL. It sort of depends on if I can lay my hands on a Series 300 and if I have the time :)

From what I have learned from the discussion here is the low level protocol reasonably simple. Serial with 15 bits. I already bitbang the serial for the Series 200, so I should be able to adapt the code.
In case you haven't got HP-HIL documentation, you can get a copy of the HP-HIL Technical Reference manual here


Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

François Lanciault
 

No the motherboard of the 9817 is different from the model 310. The 9817 case looks like the 310 but is in fact shallower by about 2 inches.

I have both and I prefer by far the 9817 over the 310

The 9817 have separate text and graphics like the rest of the 200 series and the 9845 :-) (Default display for the 310 is mixed text and graphic on the same bitmap. You can achieve separate text and graphic on the 310 with the color graphic card)
The 9817 have the Texas Instrument 3 voices sound chip directly on the motherboard, no need for the HP-HIL sound module. (I don't think the series 300 have that)

The 310 is a bit faster though.

François

On Mar 5, 2020, at 20:52, Rico Pajarola <rp@...> wrote:

Isn't the 9817 basically a 310 in the case of a 216?


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:32 PM François Lanciault <francoislanciault@...> wrote:
I think HP-UX can run on the HP-9817, one of the 200 series. There is a support document that explains how to install it. The 9817 has a 68010 processor like the series 300.

Le 5 mars 2020 1:13 PM, Anders <anders.gustafsson@...> a écrit :
So, I guess that if I really wanted to run HP-UX on a vintage machine, then a 300 or 400 series would better?

How is HW compatibility between 200/300/400? Can they use the same memory and IO boards?





Re: HP 2564 printer interface

David Collins
 

Mike, although not an exact match for the interface card you have, this manual for an earlier version that is just RS232/422 may be of use?


David Collins

On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 12:59, Mike Loewen <mloewen@...> wrote:

    Does anyone have any documentation for a C2356-30101 (39101) I/O interface
for a 2564 or 2300 series printer? This is an RS-232/RS-422/Centronics
interface, and I'm looking for configuration info.


Mike Loewen                             mloewen@...
Old Technology                          http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/




Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

Paul Berger
 


On 2020-03-05 7:32 p.m., François Lanciault wrote:
I think HP-UX can run on the HP-9817, one of the 200 series. There is a support document that explains how to install it. The 9817 has a 68010 processor like the series 300.

Le 5 mars 2020 1:13 PM, Anders <anders.gustafsson@...> a écrit :
So, I guess that if I really wanted to run HP-UX on a vintage machine, then a 300 or 400 series would better?

How is HW compatibility between 200/300/400? Can they use the same memory and IO boards?


The 200 series and 300 series all use the same DIO adapters, the 300 series bring DIO II initially 16 bit but starting with 330 there is 32 bit DIO II.  The 220 system has a special DIO system interface card that would not be usable in other systems.   Likewise 330, 340, 360 and 370 have a 32 bit DIO II system interface card that is only designed for these models (I have one of these cards is anyone is interested)

The 200 series, 310 and 320 all use memory cards that plug into the DIO bus I am not sure what the memory is like in 330 - 370 but it is all 32 bit memory perhaps some use a DIO-II style board.  The 380  has special plug in memory modules that plug into the CPU board.  The 332 is a special case CPU card designed to b an upgrade path for 310 and 320 with only a 16 bit external bus but memory is on two 32 bit daughter cards that plug into the CPU for up to 8MB of memory.  The 362 and 382 use SIMMs that plug into the CPU card.

I have no direct experience with 400 series, it appears all the pizza box models have a DIO-II slot for a graphics adapter  the 400S looks like it has DIO and DIO-II slots.

Paul.



HP 2564 printer interface

Mike Loewen
 

Does anyone have any documentation for a C2356-30101 (39101) I/O interface for a 2564 or 2300 series printer? This is an RS-232/RS-422/Centronics interface, and I'm looking for configuration info.


Mike Loewen mloewen@...
Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/


Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

Rico Pajarola
 

Isn't the 9817 basically a 310 in the case of a 216?


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:32 PM François Lanciault <francoislanciault@...> wrote:
I think HP-UX can run on the HP-9817, one of the 200 series. There is a support document that explains how to install it. The 9817 has a 68010 processor like the series 300.

Le 5 mars 2020 1:13 PM, Anders <anders.gustafsson@...> a écrit :
So, I guess that if I really wanted to run HP-UX on a vintage machine, then a 300 or 400 series would better?

How is HW compatibility between 200/300/400? Can they use the same memory and IO boards?


Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

Stephen Hanselman
 

Sorry I should have also said that the 400 will run HP-UX, but I’m not sure which versions.  I put two of these in as our name server and web/,ail server the first ones we had. Had to compile everything by hand

Regards,

 

Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC




On Mar 6, 2020, at 03:46, Rik Bos <hp-fix@...> wrote:


It's not that the 400 is incompatible with the 300 series. But it also supports Apollo OS, most 400's also support DIO II and are using the same memory as the  380 and 382 also the 400 supports most of the DIO video boards. The test software for the 400 series also run on the 380. But preferred disc io for the 400 is SCSI not HP-IB but it does supports Fast HP-IB.


-Rik




On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:01 PM +0100, "Stephen Hanselman" <kc4sw.io@...> wrote:

No,  the 200/300 are HP designed, the 400 series was a rebadged Apollo unit after HP bought them

Regards,

 

Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC




On Mar 6, 2020, at 01:13, Anders <anders.gustafsson@...> wrote:

So, I guess that if I really wanted to run HP-UX on a vintage machine, then a 300 or 400 series would better?

How is HW compatibility between 200/300/400? Can they use the same memory and IO boards?


Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

François Lanciault
 

I think HP-UX can run on the HP-9817, one of the 200 series. There is a support document that explains how to install it. The 9817 has a 68010 processor like the series 300.

Le 5 mars 2020 1:13 PM, Anders <anders.gustafsson@...> a écrit :
So, I guess that if I really wanted to run HP-UX on a vintage machine, then a 300 or 400 series would better?

How is HW compatibility between 200/300/400? Can they use the same memory and IO boards?


Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

 

Oops Not Apollo OS, but Domain OS.

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Rik Bos
Verzonden: donderdag 5 maart 2020 21:46
Aan: VintHPcom@groups. io <vinthpcom@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

 

It's not that the 400 is incompatible with the 300 series. But it also supports Apollo OS, most 400's also support DIO II and are using the same memory as the  380 and 382 also the 400 supports most of the DIO video boards. The test software for the 400 series also run on the 380. But preferred disc io for the 400 is SCSI not HP-IB but it does supports Fast HP-IB.

 

 

-Rik



On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:01 PM +0100, "Stephen Hanselman" <kc4sw.io@...> wrote:

No,  the 200/300 are HP designed, the 400 series was a rebadged Apollo unit after HP bought them

Regards,

 

Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC

 

 



On Mar 6, 2020, at 01:13, Anders <anders.gustafsson@...> wrote:

So, I guess that if I really wanted to run HP-UX on a vintage machine, then a 300 or 400 series would better?

How is HW compatibility between 200/300/400? Can they use the same memory and IO boards?


Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

 

It's not that the 400 is incompatible with the 300 series. But it also supports Apollo OS, most 400's also support DIO II and are using the same memory as the  380 and 382 also the 400 supports most of the DIO video boards. The test software for the 400 series also run on the 380. But preferred disc io for the 400 is SCSI not HP-IB but it does supports Fast HP-IB.


-Rik




On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:01 PM +0100, "Stephen Hanselman" <kc4sw.io@...> wrote:

No,  the 200/300 are HP designed, the 400 series was a rebadged Apollo unit after HP bought them

Regards,

 

Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC




On Mar 6, 2020, at 01:13, Anders <anders.gustafsson@...> wrote:

So, I guess that if I really wanted to run HP-UX on a vintage machine, then a 300 or 400 series would better?

How is HW compatibility between 200/300/400? Can they use the same memory and IO boards?


Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

Anders
 

OK. That excludes the 400, but what about 200/300?


Re: HP-HIL and USB

Anders
 

Gentlemen!

First excuse me. I had totally missed the distinction between "HP-IL" and "HP-HIL". I might have a go at adapting my USB-to-series200 adapter to HP-HIL. It sort of depends on if I can lay my hands on a Series 300 and if I have the time :)

From what I have learned from the discussion here is the low level protocol reasonably simple. Serial with 15 bits. I already bitbang the serial for the Series 200, so I should be able to adapt the code. What I would like to see is a trace of the actual comms. Can someone with a storage scope grab a trace of a keypress from a series 300 and post here?

Here is that adapter I did for the Series 200. It could also be adapter for the series 100: http://www.dalton.ax/HPkbd/


Re: HP BASIC language coprocessor cards

Glen Slick
 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:08 AM Rik Bos <@hpfix> wrote:

Keep in mind the boards are developed before PCI and any Pentium existed, there is no guaranty it will run on any system with a faster processor than a 80486.
I currently have an 82321B Viper board installed in an HP (keeping it
all in the family) Vectra VL Series 3 5/75 PCI bus system, with the
original P75 CPU upgraded to a P133 CPU. I haven't had any issues with
this configuration.

Don't remember if I have ever bothered trying the 82321B board in a
system with a faster CPU.


Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

Stephen Hanselman
 

No,  the 200/300 are HP designed, the 400 series was a rebadged Apollo unit after HP bought them

Regards,

 

Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC




On Mar 6, 2020, at 01:13, Anders <anders.gustafsson@...> wrote:

So, I guess that if I really wanted to run HP-UX on a vintage machine, then a 300 or 400 series would better?

How is HW compatibility between 200/300/400? Can they use the same memory and IO boards?


Re: HP BASIC language coprocessor cards

al_kossow
 

On 3/5/20 10:45 AM, Glen Slick wrote:

Surprised the one without the 82305 memory expansion board (1MB max,
item 184187483191) sold before the one with the 82305 memory expansion
board
At one point I had four listed at the same time, I only relisted the 2 meg
one last night

I've also tested the boards, they all work fine.


Re: HP BASIC language coprocessor cards

Glen Slick
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 1:59 PM al_kossow <aek@...> wrote:

FYI, I have a couple listed on eBay currently.
There hasn't been much interest in them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/184187482236
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184187483191
Surprised the one without the 82305 memory expansion board (1MB max,
item 184187483191) sold before the one with the 82305 memory expansion
board (4MB total max, item 184198109833). It's not like a memory
expansion board could be expected to be found if you needed one later,
and if one could be found it would likely be more than the $25
difference between the two items.


Re: Speaking of HP-UX.. Is there a version that runs on the 98x6-series or is an 68010 or later required?

Anders
 

So, I guess that if I really wanted to run HP-UX on a vintage machine, then a 300 or 400 series would better?

How is HW compatibility between 200/300/400? Can they use the same memory and IO boards?


Re: HP BASIC language coprocessor cards

Cartouce
 

@Rik Bos !

Thanks for the answer. There ist MS DOS 6.22 installed on the computer - the exact hardware configuration i don´t remember, i will check ...

Cartouce


Re: HP BASIC language coprocessor cards

 

First the open door, You have to start the card manually by typing the command basic in the root or in the ./blp directory.

For any other answer you should tell us what kind of computer (processor memory video) you are using and which operating system you use.

The BLP software only runs under MSDOS and does have some issues with himem.sys and emm386.sys it also needs the commands buffers = 16 and files=40 to run.

It’s also a smart idea to disable all other device drivers and resident programs and caching like smartdrive etc..

If it doesn’t run with a only a basic DOS configuration then try to remove all other none essential ISA boards to see if you have any interrupt or IO problems.

Keep in mind the boards are developed before PCI and any Pentium existed, there is no guaranty it will run on any system with a faster processor than a 80486.

 

-Rik

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Cartouce
Verzonden: donderdag 5 maart 2020 13:50
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] HP BASIC language coprocessor cards

 

Hi !
I bought such a card a while ago (HP 82321A, <80 €). I still have problems with the software. The software / card works after installing the software. After restarting the computer, the card is found when the software is started, and the memory test runs successfully. Then it doesn't go on.
Someone an idea what could be the reason?

Greetings

Cartouce