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Re: HP software for test equipment

 

On 9/4/20 4:35 PM, Rik Bos wrote:
I don't know about the 7000 system, but I know it's sometimes very hard to find control and test software for instruments. So if you some please preserve it.
There's a folder in the files section for instrument software.
I have a big box of disks and tapes containing this sort of software, I got it from a calibration lab that shut down last year. It's all calibration and verification software for a long list of instruments, mostly HP but not all.

The disks should be no problem, I just have to get to it. But the tapes will present a challenge.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


Re: HP software for test equipment

François Lanciault
 

Rik, Andy,

Ok I will add this to my to do list. I have checked and the programs are indeed for series 200/300 computers. Some have most of their line protected tough.

François

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Le 5 sept. 2020 à 04:08, Andy ZL3AG via groups.io <zl3ag=radioengineering.com@groups.io> a écrit :


YES PLEASE.

Likewise for HP 75000 (VXI) equipment.

With Keysight killing off the ftp archives from Hp/Agilent and some of them not appearing at archive.org (and many pages unreachable due to poor website design or nasty robots.txt files), we desperately need people to check through their old diskettes and CD collections, along with old SCSI drives/tapes that might have instrumentation software on them that is now otherwise unobtainium.

Thanks,

Andy

On 5/09/20 8:35 am, Rik Bos wrote:
Hi François,
I don't know about the 7000 system, but I know it's sometimes very hard to find control and test software for instruments. So if you some please preserve it.
There's a folder in the files section for instrument software.
-Rik
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On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 9:13 PM +0200, "François Lanciault" <francoislanciault@videotron.ca <mailto:francoislanciault@videotron.ca>> wrote:
Is most official HP software for its test equipment already preserved somewhere or is it hard to find ?
I’m asking because I have many original floppies for the HP-71000 spectrum analyzer and I was wondering if I should try to preserved them before wiping the floppies for other uses. (I don’t have a HP-71000). I don’t know for what system the software is written, but on the disk there is a note saying « For Selected HP-9000 Series Computers » so I suspect they are written for the series 200-300. I will try to load something on my HP-9816 and will let you know.
I have the 5 disks named « System Operation Verification #709000-10023» (disk 1 to 5) and the « System Diagnostics Software #70900-10025 »
I might have other disk for other HP test equipment. I will dig deeper.
François


Reorganization of the HP9000 and RMB folders

 

I moved all the RMB related files to the RMB Basic folder.
And reorganized the HP 9000 series 200 /300 folder.
The meaning of this was to make it easier to find files and keep oversight.
I haven't deleted anything just moved some files.

-Rik


Re: HP software for test equipment

Andy ZL3AG
 

YES PLEASE.

Likewise for HP 75000 (VXI) equipment.

With Keysight killing off the ftp archives from Hp/Agilent and some of them not appearing at archive.org (and many pages unreachable due to poor website design or nasty robots.txt files), we desperately need people to check through their old diskettes and CD collections, along with old SCSI drives/tapes that might have instrumentation software on them that is now otherwise unobtainium.

Thanks,

Andy

On 5/09/20 8:35 am, Rik Bos wrote:
Hi François,
I don't know about the 7000 system, but I know it's sometimes very hard to find control and test software for instruments. So if you some please preserve it.
There's a folder in the files section for instrument software.
-Rik
Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> downloaden
On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 9:13 PM +0200, "François Lanciault" <francoislanciault@videotron.ca <mailto:francoislanciault@videotron.ca>> wrote:
Is most official HP software for its test equipment already preserved somewhere or is it hard to find ?
I’m asking because I have many original floppies for the HP-71000 spectrum analyzer and I was wondering if I should try to preserved them before wiping the floppies for other uses. (I don’t have a HP-71000). I don’t know for what system the software is written, but on the disk there is a note saying « For Selected HP-9000 Series Computers » so I suspect they are written for the series 200-300. I will try to load something on my HP-9816 and will let you know.
I have the 5 disks named « System Operation Verification #709000-10023» (disk 1 to 5) and the « System Diagnostics Software #70900-10025 »
I might have other disk for other HP test equipment. I will dig deeper.
François


Re: HP software for test equipment

 

Hi François,

I don't know about the 7000 system, but I know it's sometimes very hard to find control and test software for instruments. So if you some please preserve it.
There's a folder in the files section for instrument software.

-Rik




On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 9:13 PM +0200, "François Lanciault" <francoislanciault@...> wrote:

Is most official HP software for its test equipment already preserved somewhere or is it hard to find ?

I’m asking because I have many original floppies for the HP-71000 spectrum analyzer and I was wondering if I should try to preserved them before wiping the floppies for other uses. (I don’t have a HP-71000). I don’t know for what system the software is written, but on the disk there is a note saying « For Selected HP-9000 Series Computers » so I suspect they are written for the series 200-300. I will try to load something on my HP-9816 and will let you know.

I have the 5 disks named « System Operation Verification #709000-10023» (disk 1 to 5) and the « System Diagnostics Software #70900-10025 »

I might have other disk for other HP test equipment. I will dig deeper.

François


HP software for test equipment

François Lanciault
 

Is most official HP software for its test equipment already preserved somewhere or is it hard to find ?

I’m asking because I have many original floppies for the HP-71000 spectrum analyzer and I was wondering if I should try to preserved them before wiping the floppies for other uses. (I don’t have a HP-71000). I don’t know for what system the software is written, but on the disk there is a note saying « For Selected HP-9000 Series Computers » so I suspect they are written for the series 200-300. I will try to load something on my HP-9816 and will let you know.

I have the 5 disks named « System Operation Verification #709000-10023» (disk 1 to 5) and the « System Diagnostics Software #70900-10025 »

I might have other disk for other HP test equipment. I will dig deeper.

François


File Notifications #file-notice

VintHPcom@groups.io Notification <VintHPcom@...>
 

The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the VintHPcom@groups.io group.

By: Rik Bos

Description:
CSUB Utilities V6.0 2 disks Utilitiy disk and CSUB Library disk With thanks to Theo Stevens who provided this software


The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the VintHPcom@groups.io group.

By: Rik Bos

Description:
DTACK Software XRMB and DEMO disk V6.1 two disks With thanks to Theo Stevens who provided this software


The following files have been updated in the Files area of the VintHPcom@groups.io group.

By: Rik Bos

Description:
HP 3042 Software for RMB 'as is' software is in development. Updated version plotting to plotter works now. HPI Image and text file inclosed


File Notifications #file-notice

VintHPcom@groups.io Notification <VintHPcom@...>
 

The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the VintHPcom@groups.io group.

By: Rik Bos

Description:
The book belonging to the HP Basic User Conference in 1992 Provided by Theo Stevens


The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the VintHPcom@groups.io group.

By: Rik Bos

Description:
DTACK XRMB 6 User's Manual Provided by Theo Stevens


Re: 3042A RMB software?

 

On 9/3/20 11:47 AM, Rik Bos wrote:
I'm not sure if I want to share this with someone who I'm not acquainted with.. ;P
But the software you're referring to isn't HP-software but a program I wrote to give some use to my 3042 setup.
The menus are in Dutch but it's heavily commented in English so it shouldn't be a problem to change the menus.
Keep in mind it's a work in progress, I'm in the middle of adapting the use of a real plotter to the program.
This version seems to work but has a few bugs, one of them is you can't do a calibration if you didn't run a measurement before once.
The program runs on RMB 6.X and Viper boards, if you find more bugs or have ideas to improve the program please let me know.
-Rik (AKA you know who)
Ah-HA! When I saw the Reddit post, I was wondering if that might be you. ;)

So, wow, I guess I just assumed it was HP's code. Very nicely done. I'd certainly like to hack on it. I'm looking for a 3570A now.

I see you've uploaded it. Thanks Rik!

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


File /HP9000 S200300/Software/HP3042 RMB Software.zip uploaded #file-notice

VintHPcom@groups.io Notification <VintHPcom@...>
 

The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the VintHPcom@groups.io group.

By: Rik Bos

Description:
HP 3042 Software for RMB 'as is' software is in development.


Re: 3042A RMB software?

 

Dave,

I'm not sure if I want to share this with someone who I'm not acquainted with.. ;P
But the software you're referring to isn't HP-software but a program I wrote to give some use to my 3042 setup.
The menus are in Dutch but it's heavily commented in English so it shouldn't be a problem to change the menus.
Keep in mind it's a work in progress, I'm in the middle of adapting the use of a real plotter to the program.
This version seems to work but has a few bugs, one of them is you can't do a calibration if you didn't run a measurement before once.
The program runs on RMB 6.X and Viper boards, if you find more bugs or have ideas to improve the program please let me know.

-Rik (AKA you know who)

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Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Dave McGuire
Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2020 5:46
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: [VintHPcom] 3042A RMB software?


Hey folks. I'm looking for the HP 3042A software, which is an automated
gain/phase analysis system, which is written in RMB for series
200 and 300 systems. I believe it's floating around out there somewhere, as
somebody posted a picture of it running recently on Reddit. Unfortunately, real
names seem to be taboo on Reddit (sigh), and while I've reached out to that
person to inquire about the software, I've not yet heard back.

Would anyone here happen to have a copy of this software?

Thanks,
-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


3042A RMB software?

 

Hey folks. I'm looking for the HP 3042A software, which is an automated gain/phase analysis system, which is written in RMB for series 200 and 300 systems. I believe it's floating around out there somewhere, as somebody posted a picture of it running recently on Reddit. Unfortunately, real names seem to be taboo on Reddit (sigh), and while I've reached out to that person to inquire about the software, I've not yet heard back.

Would anyone here happen to have a copy of this software?

Thanks,
-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


Re: Plain Text HP-Basic File

David Collins
 

Ready when you are Rik..

 

Thanks..

 

From: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rik Bos
Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2020 4:45 AM
To: VintHPcom@groups.io
Subject: Re: [VintHPcom] Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

Dave and Francesco,

 

If everything goes right, I’ll be able to upload a copy of the CSUB 6.x utilities in a short time. I’ve had contact with one of our fellow list members and he promised me to send me the discs with some utilities to expand the possibilities of RMB (larger line integers etc.) and the CSUB utilities. If the discs are readable I’ll upload them as soon as possible and be sure David and All both get a copy for their sites. I also get some documentation with it, and I’ll see that will be scanned and ‘published’.

 

So you see, there is some light at the end of this tunnel 😉

 

-Rik

 

@Francesco, If you can’t wait… I do have a 900/345 somewhere with a high res video board in it. I’ll have to test it to see if it works fine, if your interested contact me off-list.

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Rik Bos
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 september 2020 22:33
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

Hi Francesco,

 

I’m not getting any further at the moment.

I know about the csub utility the only one available is csub 4.0 from the museum site.

 

-Rik

 

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens franzini.francesco@...
Verzonden: maandag 31 augustus 2020 12:51
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 01:22 PM, Rik Bos wrote:

Well and there comes the trouble, the file is far too big for RMB.

After a little more the 32000 lines RMB is giving ERROR 987 Illegal Line number and does it for the next 40000 lines numbering up to about 97000 .

The original program was divided up in sub programs and loadable modules all stitched together to one massive file, this version needs a big rewrite.

It needs to be split up in several subprograms to get the line numbering below 32766!

I found a zip file, HP-3048A_SW_A-02-00.zip  with all the sources for the csub’s which are as for I can see just compiled basic files.

So, it should be possible to call them as a subprogram.

I’ll try to convert the csub sources to RMB sometime this week.

Hi Rik,

did you have any chance to look into the csub conversion?

to be more familiar with the HP 9000 software i am still reading a lot of documentation, according with 98616-90014 document HP made a specific BASIC 6.0 CSUB Utility to port the csub call from 5.x to 6.x but this software seems not available, at least i haven't found it anywhere.

Thank you

Francesco


Re: Plain Text HP-Basic File

Francesco Franzini
 

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 11:44 AM, Rik Bos wrote:

Dave and Francesco,

 

If everything goes right, I’ll be able to upload a copy of the CSUB 6.x utilities in a short time. I’ve had contact with one of our fellow list members and he promised me to send me the discs with some utilities to expand the possibilities of RMB (larger line integers etc.) and the CSUB utilities. If the discs are readable I’ll upload them as soon as possible and be sure David and All both get a copy for their sites. I also get some documentation with it, and I’ll see that will be scanned and ‘published’.

 

So you see, there is some light at the end of this tunnel 😉

 

-Rik

 

@Francesco, If you can’t wait… I do have a 900/345 somewhere with a high res video board in it. I’ll have to test it to see if it works fine, if your interested contact me off-list.

Thank you for the great news !!!, for sure i can wait but i am still interested to get unit capable to run HP basic 5.x, PM is on the way

Francesco


About converting plain text (ascii) to RMB

 

If you the right hardware it’s easy.

I use a Vectra VL4 (486) with a Viper and a HP 9122 disk drive, the 9122 is connected to the Vipers HP-IB and MSI :70X (must be on before starting the Viper)

I copy the text file to the BLP directory on the Vectra start the Viper and use the GET command to read the text file into the Viper.

And with the STORE “filename:70X” I save the file to the LIF disk in the 9122 and now you can read the file in any RMB system. (X is the HPIB address)

The other way is using HP Basic for Windows, but this also needs a HP-IB disk drive connected to you PC.

 

-Rik

 


Re: Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

On 9/2/20 2:44 PM, Rik Bos wrote:
Dave and Francesco,
If everything goes right, I’ll be able to upload a copy of the CSUB 6.x utilities in a short time. I’ve had contact with one of our fellow list members and he promised me to send me the discs with some utilities to expand the possibilities of RMB (larger line integers etc.) and the CSUB utilities. If the discs are readable I’ll upload them as soon as possible and be sure David and All both get a copy for their sites. I also get some documentation with it, and I’ll see that will be scanned and ‘published’.
So you see, there is some light at the end of this tunnel 😉
This is great news Rik, thank you for pursuing this!

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


Re: Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

Dave and Francesco,

 

If everything goes right, I’ll be able to upload a copy of the CSUB 6.x utilities in a short time. I’ve had contact with one of our fellow list members and he promised me to send me the discs with some utilities to expand the possibilities of RMB (larger line integers etc.) and the CSUB utilities. If the discs are readable I’ll upload them as soon as possible and be sure David and All both get a copy for their sites. I also get some documentation with it, and I’ll see that will be scanned and ‘published’.

 

So you see, there is some light at the end of this tunnel 😉

 

-Rik

 

@Francesco, If you can’t wait… I do have a 900/345 somewhere with a high res video board in it. I’ll have to test it to see if it works fine, if your interested contact me off-list.

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Rik Bos
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 september 2020 22:33
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

Hi Francesco,

 

I’m not getting any further at the moment.

I know about the csub utility the only one available is csub 4.0 from the museum site.

 

-Rik

 

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens franzini.francesco@...
Verzonden: maandag 31 augustus 2020 12:51
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 01:22 PM, Rik Bos wrote:

Well and there comes the trouble, the file is far too big for RMB.

After a little more the 32000 lines RMB is giving ERROR 987 Illegal Line number and does it for the next 40000 lines numbering up to about 97000 .

The original program was divided up in sub programs and loadable modules all stitched together to one massive file, this version needs a big rewrite.

It needs to be split up in several subprograms to get the line numbering below 32766!

I found a zip file, HP-3048A_SW_A-02-00.zip  with all the sources for the csub’s which are as for I can see just compiled basic files.

So, it should be possible to call them as a subprogram.

I’ll try to convert the csub sources to RMB sometime this week.

Hi Rik,

did you have any chance to look into the csub conversion?

to be more familiar with the HP 9000 software i am still reading a lot of documentation, according with 98616-90014 document HP made a specific BASIC 6.0 CSUB Utility to port the csub call from 5.x to 6.x but this software seems not available, at least i haven't found it anywhere.

Thank you

Francesco


Re: Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

On 9/2/20 3:34 AM, franzini.francesco@gmail.com wrote:
No worries, as i said i already have the complete system working on diffrent environment, in the mean time i am making myself more familiar with the HP 9000/300 system, since i am interested to run the HP instruments software, i am considering to buy a CPU unit capable to run HP basic 5.x, as far i understood the unit with the 68030 CPU may be a good choice, do you have ney advice on that?
I too an interested in what Rik has to say about this, but in the meantime I can offer some advice based on what I've done. I've done a lot of work in this area recently.

68030s run RMB 5.11 nicely. My current configuration is a /340 with an SRM interface, booting from an SRM/UX server running on a /382 running HP-UX. This works very well in my environment, a large network of UNIX systems, because it integrates seamlessly and is easily backed up.

I initially installed RMB from floppies, made from the RMB 5.11 disk images located here:

http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=26

I booted that and ran the install from a 9122, loaded the BIN modules that I needed, did a "store system" to the SRM server, and put the 9122 back in the closet. Now I just boot that stored image via SRM, and the /340 is up in a few seconds.

This runs the 3048A software well. I'm also running some EMC software (85869A) and some calibration and verification software for other instruments.

The /340 is physically located near my 3048A system, but also connected to it is a 37203A HP-IB extender and a 59307A VHF switch, with coax going to other parts of my lab. (it's a big lab) I have an EMC area on the other side of the lab, and a repair bench some distance from that. I've run coax to those areas and put 37203A HP-IB extenders at those positions, which I can connect to the /340's 37203A with a push of a button on the VHF switch.

This allows me to run the EMC system, as well as any calibration and verification software (70900, etc) that requires RMB that I would need on the repair bench. This setup works great, and allows me to run all of the calibration software that I occasionally need.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


Re: Plain Text HP-Basic File

Francesco Franzini
 

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 01:32 PM, Rik Bos wrote:

Hi Francesco,

 

I’m not getting any further at the moment.

I know about the csub utility the only one available is csub 4.0 from the museum site.

 

-Rik

 

No worries, as i said i already have the complete system working on diffrent environment, in the mean time i am making myself more familiar with the HP 9000/300 system, since i am interested to run the HP instruments software, i am considering to buy a CPU unit capable to run HP basic 5.x, as far i understood the unit with the 68030 CPU may be a good choice, do you have ney advice on that?

Thank you

Francesco


Re: Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

Hi Francesco,

 

I’m not getting any further at the moment.

I know about the csub utility the only one available is csub 4.0 from the museum site.

 

-Rik

 

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens franzini.francesco@...
Verzonden: maandag 31 augustus 2020 12:51
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] Plain Text HP-Basic File

 

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 01:22 PM, Rik Bos wrote:

Well and there comes the trouble, the file is far too big for RMB.

After a little more the 32000 lines RMB is giving ERROR 987 Illegal Line number and does it for the next 40000 lines numbering up to about 97000 .

The original program was divided up in sub programs and loadable modules all stitched together to one massive file, this version needs a big rewrite.

It needs to be split up in several subprograms to get the line numbering below 32766!

I found a zip file, HP-3048A_SW_A-02-00.zip  with all the sources for the csub’s which are as for I can see just compiled basic files.

So, it should be possible to call them as a subprogram.

I’ll try to convert the csub sources to RMB sometime this week.

Hi Rik,

did you have any chance to look into the csub conversion?

to be more familiar with the HP 9000 software i am still reading a lot of documentation, according with 98616-90014 document HP made a specific BASIC 6.0 CSUB Utility to port the csub call from 5.x to 6.x but this software seems not available, at least i haven't found it anywhere.

Thank you

Francesco

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