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Re: BASIC 6.4 - Where are the changes documented?

 

And you are?

 

-Rik

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] Namens HP75_8687
Verzonden: dinsdag 5 september 2017 12:48
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: [VintHPcom] BASIC 6.4 - Where are the changes documented?

 

For HP 9000 series 200/300 workstation BASIC version 6.2 ( 6.21), printed manuals and downloadable scans are easily available.
Now we have the binaries for the version 6.4. Is there an addendum or something that describes the changes (new features or corrected errors) from version 6.2?
For example, version 6.4 is known to be "year-2000-compliant" (6.2 is not). But this hardly can be called a detailed explanation of changes.
Also would be nice to know which latest hardware ( printers, graphics cards) are supported additionally.
If there was an addendum describing the improvements of version 6.3, this might be helpful as well.


BASIC 6.4 - Where are the changes documented?

HP75_8687
 

For HP 9000 series 200/300 workstation BASIC version 6.2 ( 6.21), printed manuals and downloadable scans are easily available.
Now we have the binaries for the version 6.4. Is there an addendum or something that describes the changes (new features or corrected errors) from version 6.2?
For example, version 6.4 is known to be "year-2000-compliant" (6.2 is not). But this hardly can be called a detailed explanation of changes.
Also would be nice to know which latest hardware ( printers, graphics cards) are supported additionally.
If there was an addendum describing the improvements of version 6.3, this might be helpful as well.


BASIC PLUS for Series 200/300 Computers #VintageHPComputers

HP75_8687
 

I just have written the following message for the HP Caculator Museum's forum, but I think it might even fit better here, since this group is dedicated to the bigger machines ( series 200/300).

BASIC PLUS is an add-on library which allows to easily add "modern" controls like buttons and menus to your BASIC program ( workstation BASIC version 6).

At the Australian HP-Museum site, the older version of this library is available, order number E2160A.
There is a better version E2161A that supports more controls.
Documentation for that enhanced version can easily be found ( manuals on Ebay), but not the software itself.

Has anyone got the disks and is ready to share them? I am ready to help, making copies, creating appropriate file formats for sharing etc..

Important note: I am talking about the "workstation (WS) version" of BASIC and BASIC PLUS. WS BASIC is a standalone operating system. There is also a BASIC / UX and the suitable BASIC PLUS /UX which runs under HP-UNIX only. They are not compatible with BASIC as an operating system, and I am not interested in these.


Re: SCSI for HP 9000 200/300 machines?

Paul Berger
 

Jack,

Yes there was a DIO SCSI card 98658Aand it appears it was only supported on 300 series machines except 310 and 320.  Later 300 series machines like my 380 have SCSI built in.

Paul.


On 2017-08-29 11:11 PM, Jack Rubin wrote:
I just uploaded another SSS product - HPL+II - the last iteration of HPL for 9000 200/300 series machines before HP BASIC took over the world. This version of HPL+II adds support for SCSI discs. Any idea what controller would have been used? Was there something in the standard slide-in external card form factor?

Thanks,
Jack


SCSI for HP 9000 200/300 machines?

Jack Rubin
 

I just uploaded another SSS product - HPL+II - the last iteration of HPL for 9000 200/300 series machines before HP BASIC took over the world. This version of HPL+II adds support for SCSI discs. Any idea what controller would have been used? Was there something in the standard slide-in external card form factor?

Thanks,
Jack


New file uploaded to VintHPcom@groups.io

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File: SSS_HPL+II_Manual_1991.pdf

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Re: VCF-Midwest (September 9,10)

 

Jack,
Can't make it this year unfortunately, but it was a treat to meet you in the real world and have you come see my collection during VCF West!
Marc


VCF-Midwest (September 9,10)

Jack Rubin
 

Any other listers planning to be there? I'll probably be at a table with a bunch of DEC stuff but I plan to bring my 9836C.

Jack


NMOS-II docs - thanks!

 

It was nice to see the NMOS-II and How They Do Dat documents. It is clear where the contents of the 9825 patent came from, and in a much easier to read copy than the patent scan.

These documents also explain why the PCM (pulse count mode) instruction is not used in the 9825 firmware, despite the description stating it could be used to skip files on a tape, whereas in the firmware it uses a counted CPU busy loop to do it. It also explains why the DDR (disable DMA) instruction was never used either due to a bug.


New file uploaded to VintHPcom@groups.io

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Hello,

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File: How They Do Dat Manual.pdf

Uploaded By: Jack Rubin

Description:
Another internal NMOS-II document. Scanned and shared by Steve Leibson.

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/HP%20Internal%20Tech%20Docs/How%20They%20Do%20Dat%20Manual.pdf

Cheers,
The Groups.io Team


SSS files uploaded, OCR'd by Paul BIRKEL

Jack Rubin
 

Sorry, I attributed the OCR'ing to the wrong Paul B. All fixed now - hopefully you'll find the files of interest.
Jack


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File: SS80_ReleaseDoc_Jul1983_OCR.pdf

Uploaded By: Jack Rubin

Description:
OCR'd for easy searching, thanks to Paul Berger.

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/HP%20Internal%20Tech%20Docs/SS80_ReleaseDoc_Jul1983_OCR.pdf

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The Groups.io Team


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Hello,

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File: SIF_Protocol_ClassNotes_OCR.pdf

Uploaded By: Jack Rubin

Description:
OCR'd for easy searching, thanks to Paul Berger.

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/HP%20Internal%20Tech%20Docs/SIF_Protocol_ClassNotes_OCR.pdf

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The Groups.io Team


New file uploaded to VintHPcom@groups.io

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Hello,

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File: NMOS-II_RefManual_Aug1976.pdf

Uploaded By: Jack Rubin

Description:
This manual is marked "Private"

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/HP%20Internal%20Tech%20Docs/NMOS-II_RefManual_Aug1976.pdf

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Hello,

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File: SS80_ReleaseDoc_Jul1983.pdf

Uploaded By: Jack Rubin

Description:
Final release specification for SS80 protocol

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/HP%20Internal%20Tech%20Docs/SS80_ReleaseDoc_Jul1983.pdf

Cheers,
The Groups.io Team


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Hello,

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File: SIF_Protocol_ClassNotes.pdf

Uploaded By: Jack Rubin

Description:

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/HP%20Internal%20Tech%20Docs/SIF_Protocol_ClassNotes.pdf

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File: 9826CONF.BIN

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HP 9826A configuration prom

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Re: More SSS software documentation

 

Security by obscurity...

I know the software to generate the code words (licence code) for the HP 16700 series Logic analyzers was on the Ignite CD.
The 16700 series are using a pa-risc processor and run the same HP-UX as the HP 9000 series 700 computers.

The software is on the CD but renamed but usable so most people with a 16700 LA have all options enabled 😉 by generating their own license codes. I haven’t checked it but I think there is a big chance this also works for the regular HP-UX versions.

To go back to the SSS software, I know about software which used the same copy protection techniques which had a counter build in.

And which made the original discs copy protected, by adding some strange sector (defect or other format) on which the copy software should end the process. But on the other hand other times other thoughts so it’s well possible they just trusted their costumers.

 

-Rik

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] Namens Ansgar
Verzonden: zaterdag 26 augustus 2017 1:25
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] More SSS software documentation

 

Seems that SSS required to customer to do the serialization on his/her own. The documentation is talking about a RESECURE program (which was provided on the original program disk) needed to be run on the original program disk, before the software could be backed up or installed to hard disk. Presumably the RESECURE program read the serial number out of the ID ROM and keyed the software with it. I just wonder what prevented the user from creating a backup copy before running the RESECURE program...


Re: More SSS software documentation

Ansgar
 

Seems that SSS required to customer to do the serialization on his/her own. The documentation is talking about a RESECURE program (which was provided on the original program disk) needed to be run on the original program disk, before the software could be backed up or installed to hard disk. Presumably the RESECURE program read the serial number out of the ID ROM and keyed the software with it. I just wonder what prevented the user from creating a backup copy before running the RESECURE program...


Re: More SSS software documentation

Ansgar
 

Yes and please serialized for 2 different IDs, if possible ;-)

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