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Re: Needed: two diecast corners for a HP 1000 rack door

 

Wow, impressive!

Definitely qualifies for the "Obscure hardware rescue of the month"

Nice, Rik ! :-)


--bob

-----Original Message-----
From: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rik
Bos
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 2:36 PM
To: VintHPcom@groups.io
Subject: Re: [VintHPcom] Needed: two diecast corners for a HP 1000 rack
door

Guy,

I've a door for you.

-Rik

Re: Needed: two diecast corners for a HP 1000 rack door

 

Guy,

I've a door for you.

-Rik

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Guy Dunphy
Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 9:40
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: [VintHPcom] Needed: two diecast corners for a HP 1000 rack door

My recent good fortune: Acquiring an original HP rack for my HP 1000
system,
that actually says "HP 1000 SYSTEM" on the top of the door.

Not so lucky: The door has diecast corner pieces, and two of them are
broken.
They are quite complicated little things, too much so to make
replacements.

See pics at http://everist.org/pics/HP1000/

Does anyone have a broken/unwanted HP rack door in the same style, and can
spare a couple of intact corner pieces?
I know it's unlikely. Just thought I'd ask.

It appears these were broken by some previous owner not realizing the door
hinges only allow about 100 deg swing, not 180. Trying to force it open
further
bends the extruded frame edge and breaks the corners. I've fixed the bent
extrusion, but the diecast corners are not repairable.
This is a bad design. Probably many of these doors would have ended up
broken just like this. Making spare corners even more rare. I suppose if I
can't
find any I can just ditch the door, and transfer the title bar to the rack
itself.

Guy


Re: wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC - AdvanvceNet Software?

 

Martin,

 

Try a NE1000/NE2000 network card most software of that era supports them because they were the Defacto standard in that time.

 

-Rik

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Martin Hepperle
Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 9:52
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC - AdvanvceNet Software?

 

I tried to use the emulator with a network connection and failed.
As I do not have an original HP ISA card  from that era (which may have been a relabeled 3Com card) I installed the MS-DOS TCP/IP Networking software for my modern PCI card (using a NDIS 2.0 driver), but the terminal does not recognize it. Under MS-DOS I can PING etc.
Obviously the AdvanceNet requires some other driver layer (StarLAN, HP ThinLAN?)

To solve this problem:

  • Does someone have a HP Network card for the HP Vectra (e.g. 1802A, 27236A) and any documentation and possibly driver software for it?
  • Which chips are used, maybe take a photo?
  • Can you scan the documentation and the software?


Martin

Re: wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC - AdvanvceNet Software?

Martin Hepperle
 

I tried to use the emulator with a network connection and failed.
As I do not have an original HP ISA card  from that era (which may have been a relabeled 3Com card) I installed the MS-DOS TCP/IP Networking software for my modern PCI card (using a NDIS 2.0 driver), but the terminal does not recognize it. Under MS-DOS I can PING etc.
Obviously the AdvanceNet requires some other driver layer (StarLAN, HP ThinLAN?)

To solve this problem:
  • Does someone have a HP Network card for the HP Vectra (e.g. 1802A, 27236A) and any documentation and possibly driver software for it?
  • Which chips are used, maybe take a photo?
  • Can you scan the documentation and the software?

Martin

Needed: two diecast corners for a HP 1000 rack door

Guy Dunphy
 

My recent good fortune: Acquiring an original HP rack for my HP 1000 system,
that actually says "HP 1000 SYSTEM" on the top of the door.

Not so lucky: The door has diecast corner pieces, and two of them are
broken. They are quite complicated little things, too much so to make
replacements.

See pics at http://everist.org/pics/HP1000/

Does anyone have a broken/unwanted HP rack door in the same style, and
can spare a couple of intact corner pieces?
I know it's unlikely. Just thought I'd ask.

It appears these were broken by some previous owner not realizing the door
hinges only allow about 100 deg swing, not 180. Trying to force it open further
bends the extruded frame edge and breaks the corners. I've fixed the bent
extrusion, but the diecast corners are not repairable.
This is a bad design. Probably many of these doors would have ended up broken
just like this. Making spare corners even more rare. I suppose if I can't find
any I can just ditch the door, and transfer the title bar to the rack itself.

Guy

Re: Unsecuring old HP Basic software

Martin Hepperle
 

Hi,

if I remember correctly, there are two ways to secure a program:

  • the whole program is secured: then only a file type has to be changed and/or the password reset in the LIF directory (this scheme is also used for Series-80s programs),
  • individual lines are secured - then the "in memory" approach might be more viable than the direct disc modification (this is not present in Series-80 BASIC).

Martin

Re: Unsecuring old HP Basic software

Tony Goodhew
 

Actually the next step is to follow Stan's guidance and just start working with the stored file rather than trying trying to create a HP Basic sub that dynamically 'unsecures'

TonyG

Re: Unsecuring old HP Basic software

Tony Goodhew
 

Thanks appreciate it.

I attached to the process using WinDBG and I can see the difference in the lines between unsecure (00 0e):
00000000`006e0096 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00 04 0a 00 7f cf 03  .....................
00000000`006e00ab 46 6f 6f ca c9 00 0e 0e 04 14 00 7f cf 03 42 61 72 ca c9 00 0e  Foo...........Bar....

and secure (01 0e):
00000000`006e0096 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 0e 00 04 0a 00 7f cf 03  .....................
00000000`006e00ab 46 6f 6f ca c9 00 0e 0e 04 14 00 7f cf 03 42 61 72 ca c9 00 0e  Foo...........Bar....

From the HP Basic Reference Manual it appears that I can use READIO(9826, <<Address>>) to simply write 00 there to unsecure. Next step is to see if the program offset is always the same and what the END/START byte set is for lines.

Thanks everyone for the help.

TonyG

Re: Unsecuring old HP Basic software

Martin Hepperle
 

Tony,

some time ago I found the attached solution to unsecuring BASIC 2.0 programs for the 9826 (sorry I don#t remember the source).
Maybe you can rework it a bit so that it works with your programs.
The code is using the ReadIO() function with the -9826 parameter to access the program loaded in memory. This is documented in the BASIC manuals.
The tricky part seems to be more in the calculation of the locations of the line numbers.

Martin

Re: New member with early HP computers

SilverRay
 

Thank You, Rik!

Re: Email on HP-UX 9.x (HP 9000 series 300)

Dave McGuire
 

On 8/25/19 6:06 PM, Martin Trusler wrote:
Many thanks for your help so far! After a little poking around, this is
the situation. The version information returned with the command you
supplied wasn't quite what I expected:
Version $Revision: 1.37.109.23 $
How should I interpret that?
Ugh, HP may have assigned their own revision number (like a "build
number"), or that may be the revision of the sendmail.cf file. If you
send me the entire output I may be able to make more sense of it.

Meanwhile it occurs to me that I'm running HP-UX 9 on one of my VXI
systems; I will fire it up and take a look at sendmail on there. I use
that for modern work, not vintage hacking, so I never configured
sendmail on there.

I found an existing sendmail.cf <http://sendmail.cf> which is, as you
said, long and complicated. The macros processor m4 is on the system but
I don't have a sendmail.mc <http://sendmail.mc> file anywhere. I think
that I have quite a lot to learn ... but further advice most welcome!
That sendmail release may predate the use of m4 for .cf file
generation. It has been awhile since I hacked on sendmail, but it's
starting to come back, dusting off those old neurons...I will try to
make some time this week to bring up that VXI system and take a look at
sendmail on there; maybe I can help by doing this with you in tandem. I
can easily do that without risking any of the work stuff that I do with
that system.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

Re: wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

Roland Dietiker
 

Adendum to QCTERM:

 

Unfortunately does QCTERM for request of Terminal ID „Esc * s ^ »  response « 70092 », independend of the Menu settings in « Connection -> Terminal Type ».

Graphics/1000-II check this parameter and if the response not accurate, it stops by the Initialization process JEDEV/ZBINT.

 

Summary : QCTERM is a nice Emulation for alphanumerical applications, but not for graphical Applications.

 

Best regards

Roland 

 

Von: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] Im Auftrag von Roland Dietiker
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. August 2019 00:53
An: VintHPcom@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

Hi Rik

Many thanks. Yes I checked it, but it does not emulate 2627A Color Graphics what I have seen.

I have several color graphic Demos (based on Graphics/1000-II (AGP/DGL)  but no HP2627A Display.

 

I guess the Demos could be interesting for Vintage Shows „back to the 1980’s“.

 

For this, I am searching  for a PC based Emulation of 2627A or 2397A which supports Serial and Ethernet (Telnet) connectivity.

The mentioned Emulation HP24597A below, works fine on old PC’s, but it could not be installed at current 64bit  MSW 7 or later Systems .

I made a virtual machine with VMWare Player and installed the HP24597A Software. It works, but the color graphics Demos are very slow and does not support current network adapters (HP AdvancedNet Card only)

 

My hope is that an Expert provide the Emulation on transportable Environment like JAVA.

 

Even if the emulation on old PC’s is possible, earlier or later he’s live will end. The A-Series will minimal until 2037 do the Job (Date Problem like year 2000),  but I am not sure will the MS based System until this date survive….

 

This ist the reason why I am serach for a solution for the up to date PC’s Versions. I would do the programming, but I am not JAVA Expert and Assembler and FORTRAN is not the solution for this request…..

 

Best regards

Roland

 

Von: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rik Bos
Gesendet: Montag, 26. August 2019 21:47
An: VintHPcom@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

Oops qcterm it is.

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Rik Bos
Verzonden: maandag 26 augustus 2019 21:43
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

Qterm is a very good HP terminal emulator for Windows.

 

-Rik

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Martin Hepperle
Verzonden: maandag 26 augustus 2019 9:51
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

The HP Terminal Program for MS-DOS

 

I looked into my box with floppy discs from my late HP Vectra PC.  There I found the HP Terminal program on 5-1/4" DS/DD discs.

It was version A.00.02 while the version at HP-Museum is A.00.03 and probably has some improvements.

 

Nevertheless I installed both and both work.

 

With the version from the HP Museum I had problems to create the discs until I recognized that I had tried to use 5-1/4" HD discs.

Some of them could be written in DS/DD format, others failed halfway through.

After replacing them with the proper 5-1/4" DS/DD discs Teledisc was successful in creating the copies.

 

Because the Teledisc images are sometimes inconvenient to handle if you don't have old hard- and software, I also created a snapshot of each installation directory. 

Both installations were performed on a MS-DOS PC for a VGA display card, so they may only work with VGA compatible cards.

I will upload the two .ZIP archives here and also send them down under to Dave of the HP-Museum.

I tested the terminal emulation with a serial connection and ran my small AGP learning program on the HP 1000..

The program must be linked with the D0036.LIB driver to support the 2627 color graphics terminal.
I have only used the serial interface option as I do not have an "AdvanceNet" connection.

 

Martin



Re: wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

Roland Dietiker
 

Hi Rik

Many thanks. Yes I checked it, but it does not emulate 2627A Color Graphics what I have seen.

I have several color graphic Demos (based on Graphics/1000-II (AGP/DGL)  but no HP2627A Display.

 

I guess the Demos could be interesting for Vintage Shows „back to the 1980’s“.

 

For this, I am searching  for a PC based Emulation of 2627A or 2397A which supports Serial and Ethernet (Telnet) connectivity.

The mentioned Emulation HP24597A below, works fine on old PC’s, but it could not be installed at current 64bit  MSW 7 or later Systems .

I made a virtual machine with VMWare Player and installed the HP24597A Software. It works, but the color graphics Demos are very slow and does not support current network adapters (HP AdvancedNet Card only)

 

My hope is that an Expert provide the Emulation on transportable Environment like JAVA.

 

Even if the emulation on old PC’s is possible, earlier or later he’s live will end. The A-Series will minimal until 2037 do the Job (Date Problem like year 2000),  but I am not sure will the MS based System until this date survive….

 

This ist the reason why I am serach for a solution for the up to date PC’s Versions. I would do the programming, but I am not JAVA Expert and Assembler and FORTRAN is not the solution for this request…..

 

Best regards

Roland

 

Von: VintHPcom@groups.io [mailto:VintHPcom@groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rik Bos
Gesendet: Montag, 26. August 2019 21:47
An: VintHPcom@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

Oops qcterm it is.

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Rik Bos
Verzonden: maandag 26 augustus 2019 21:43
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

Qterm is a very good HP terminal emulator for Windows.

 

-Rik

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Martin Hepperle
Verzonden: maandag 26 augustus 2019 9:51
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

The HP Terminal Program for MS-DOS

 

I looked into my box with floppy discs from my late HP Vectra PC.  There I found the HP Terminal program on 5-1/4" DS/DD discs.

It was version A.00.02 while the version at HP-Museum is A.00.03 and probably has some improvements.

 

Nevertheless I installed both and both work.

 

With the version from the HP Museum I had problems to create the discs until I recognized that I had tried to use 5-1/4" HD discs.

Some of them could be written in DS/DD format, others failed halfway through.

After replacing them with the proper 5-1/4" DS/DD discs Teledisc was successful in creating the copies.

 

Because the Teledisc images are sometimes inconvenient to handle if you don't have old hard- and software, I also created a snapshot of each installation directory. 

Both installations were performed on a MS-DOS PC for a VGA display card, so they may only work with VGA compatible cards.

I will upload the two .ZIP archives here and also send them down under to Dave of the HP-Museum.

I tested the terminal emulation with a serial connection and ran my small AGP learning program on the HP 1000..

The program must be linked with the D0036.LIB driver to support the 2627 color graphics terminal.
I have only used the serial interface option as I do not have an "AdvanceNet" connection.

 

Martin



New file uploaded to VintHPcom@groups.io

VintHPcom@groups.io Notification <VintHPcom+notification@...>
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the VintHPcom@groups.io group.

File: qcterm-setup.exe

Uploaded By: Rik Bos

Description:
qcterm HP terminal emulation program for WIndows runs on both W7 and W10

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/HP%20Terminals/qcterm-setup.exe

Cheers,
The Groups.io Team

Re: wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

Oops qcterm it is.

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Rik Bos
Verzonden: maandag 26 augustus 2019 21:43
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

Qterm is a very good HP terminal emulator for Windows.

 

-Rik

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Martin Hepperle
Verzonden: maandag 26 augustus 2019 9:51
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

The HP Terminal Program for MS-DOS

 

I looked into my box with floppy discs from my late HP Vectra PC.  There I found the HP Terminal program on 5-1/4" DS/DD discs.

It was version A.00.02 while the version at HP-Museum is A.00.03 and probably has some improvements.

 

Nevertheless I installed both and both work.

 

With the version from the HP Museum I had problems to create the discs until I recognized that I had tried to use 5-1/4" HD discs.

Some of them could be written in DS/DD format, others failed halfway through.

After replacing them with the proper 5-1/4" DS/DD discs Teledisc was successful in creating the copies.

 

Because the Teledisc images are sometimes inconvenient to handle if you don't have old hard- and software, I also created a snapshot of each installation directory. 

Both installations were performed on a MS-DOS PC for a VGA display card, so they may only work with VGA compatible cards.

I will upload the two .ZIP archives here and also send them down under to Dave of the HP-Museum.

I tested the terminal emulation with a serial connection and ran my small AGP learning program on the HP 1000..

The program must be linked with the D0036.LIB driver to support the 2627 color graphics terminal.
I have only used the serial interface option as I do not have an "AdvanceNet" connection.

 

Martin



Re: wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

Qterm is a very good HP terminal emulator for Windows.

 

-Rik

 

Van: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> Namens Martin Hepperle
Verzonden: maandag 26 augustus 2019 9:51
Aan: VintHPcom@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

 

The HP Terminal Program for MS-DOS

 

I looked into my box with floppy discs from my late HP Vectra PC.  There I found the HP Terminal program on 5-1/4" DS/DD discs.

It was version A.00.02 while the version at HP-Museum is A.00.03 and probably has some improvements.

 

Nevertheless I installed both and both work.

 

With the version from the HP Museum I had problems to create the discs until I recognized that I had tried to use 5-1/4" HD discs.

Some of them could be written in DS/DD format, others failed halfway through.

After replacing them with the proper 5-1/4" DS/DD discs Teledisc was successful in creating the copies.

 

Because the Teledisc images are sometimes inconvenient to handle if you don't have old hard- and software, I also created a snapshot of each installation directory. 

Both installations were performed on a MS-DOS PC for a VGA display card, so they may only work with VGA compatible cards.

I will upload the two .ZIP archives here and also send them down under to Dave of the HP-Museum.

I tested the terminal emulation with a serial connection and ran my small AGP learning program on the HP 1000..

The program must be linked with the D0036.LIB driver to support the 2627 color graphics terminal.
I have only used the serial interface option as I do not have an "AdvanceNet" connection.

 

Martin



Re: New member with early HP computers

 

Roman,

The ROM chips are masked ROM and a HP  proprietary type.  On www.hp9825.com you can read about the history of the 9825 and its components.

-Rik

-Rik




On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 9:26 AM +0200, <silverray.russia@...> wrote:

Thank All for assistance!
I guess that the proccess of resurrection will be very interesting but long...
The hand drawn scheematics from Tony Duell are very good source of information for research. First of all I wanna check the signals on KDP interface connector -- maybe the input signals from CPU board do not come in to KDP module.

Could you tell me what kind of ROM type was used on boards? It's an OTP ROM or reprogrammable? And is it possible to replace it to UVEEPROM?

Roman.

 

New file uploaded to VintHPcom@groups.io

VintHPcom@groups.io Notification <VintHPcom+notification@...>
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the VintHPcom@groups.io group.

File: HPTERM-A.00.03.zip

Uploaded By: Martin Hepperle

Description:
Terminal program for the HP Vectra (and other) PCs

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/files/HP%20Terminals/HPTERM-A.00.03.zip

Cheers,
The Groups.io Team

Re: wanted: HP2627A or HP2397 Terminal emulator for PC

Martin Hepperle
 

The HP Terminal Program for MS-DOS
 
I looked into my box with floppy discs from my late HP Vectra PC.  There I found the HP Terminal program on 5-1/4" DS/DD discs.
It was version A.00.02 while the version at HP-Museum is A.00.03 and probably has some improvements.
 
Nevertheless I installed both and both work.
 
With the version from the HP Museum I had problems to create the discs until I recognized that I had tried to use 5-1/4" HD discs.
Some of them could be written in DS/DD format, others failed halfway through.
After replacing them with the proper 5-1/4" DS/DD discs Teledisc was successful in creating the copies.
 
Because the Teledisc images are sometimes inconvenient to handle if you don't have old hard- and software, I also created a snapshot of each installation directory. 
Both installations were performed on a MS-DOS PC for a VGA display card, so they may only work with VGA compatible cards.
I will upload the two .ZIP archives here and also send them down under to Dave of the HP-Museum.

I tested the terminal emulation with a serial connection and ran my small AGP learning program on the HP 1000..
The program must be linked with the D0036.LIB driver to support the 2627 color graphics terminal.
I have only used the serial interface option as I do not have an "AdvanceNet" connection.
 
Martin





Re: New member with early HP computers

SilverRay
 

Thank All for assistance!
I guess that the proccess of resurrection will be very interesting but long...
The hand drawn scheematics from Tony Duell are very good source of information for research. First of all I wanna check the signals on KDP interface connector -- maybe the input signals from CPU board do not come in to KDP module.

Could you tell me what kind of ROM type was used on boards? It's an OTP ROM or reprogrammable? And is it possible to replace it to UVEEPROM?

Roman.