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Re: HP Catalogs available

David Collins
 

Hi John, unfortunately Marc Verdiell in California (curiousmarc on YouTube)
was the first to contact me about the catalogs and I passed his details on
to my contact. I've also passed on your email details (and now Guy Dunphy's
as well) so she knows there is interest in Australia, so she may contact you
if she wants to follow that up. All I'm doing is passing on the expressions
of interest to her as I receive them so can't tell you if it's first come
first served but I'd say that's likely.

Regards,

David Collins

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From: VintHPcom@groups.io <VintHPcom@groups.io> On Behalf Of John G.
Australia
Sent: Monday, 6 July 2020 10:27 AM
To: VintHPcom@groups.io
Subject: Re: [VintHPcom] HP Catalogs available

Hi David, thanks for the message.

The ACMS would be happy to get these if nobody else needs them.

I suspect that postage may be significant !

Regards, John Geremin, Hon. Curator, ACMS Inc.


On 2020-07-05 8:17 pm, David Collins wrote:
I've been contacted through the HP Computer Museum by a lady in Boise,
Idaho who has hard copies of the 1969 and 1980 HP Catalogs (1 of
each). If anyone is interested in having them, send me your email
address at curator@... and I'll pass on the details to my
contact.

Thanks
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Re: HP Catalogs available

John G. Australia
 

Hi David, thanks for the message.

The ACMS would be happy to get these if nobody else needs them.

I suspect that postage may be significant !

Regards, John Geremin, Hon. Curator, ACMS Inc.

On 2020-07-05 8:17 pm, David Collins wrote:
I've been contacted through the HP Computer Museum by a lady in Boise,
Idaho who has hard copies of the 1969 and 1980 HP Catalogs (1 of
each). If anyone is interested in having them, send me your email
address at curator@... and I'll pass on the details to my
contact.
Thanks
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HP Catalogs available

David Collins
 

I've been contacted through the HP Computer Museum by a lady in Boise, Idaho who has hard copies of the 1969 and 1980 HP Catalogs (1 of each).  If anyone is interested in having them, send me your email address at curator@... and I'll pass on the details to my contact.

Thanks
Re: Hp 21mx loader rom set

Klyball
 

David Bryan had a copy over at cctech, i have attached a copy if attachments work.

Grant

?
7974-loader.zip

Re: Hp 21mx loader rom set

Rik Bos
 

Nice, where did you found them?

-Rik




On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:57 AM +0200, "Klyball" <Grant@...> wrote:

I located a copy of the roms
Re: Hp 21mx loader rom set

Klyball
 

I located a copy of the roms
Re: Need 9114B PROM 09114-15521 Contents

Paul Berger
 

Craig,

It looks like it is an 27128A OTP part so should be no trouble to dump, I will do that shortly.

Paul.

On 2020-06-28 12:16 p.m., Craig Ruff wrote:
The PROM in my 9114B committed suicide this morning, letting the magic smoke out. It was marked with part number 09114-15521, does anyone happen to have dumped the contents so I can program a new one? Thanks.

Need 9114B PROM 09114-15521 Contents

Craig Ruff
 

The PROM in my 9114B committed suicide this morning, letting the magic smoke out. It was marked with part number 09114-15521, does anyone happen to have dumped the contents so I can program a new one? Thanks.
Re: Hp 21mx loader rom set

Klyball
 

Hi its a F but I down graded the firmware to e as I don't have the external box and e and f motherboards are the same, i need the 7974 loader its the only one I can't find it has the 1k ibl but uses code from the firmware set. I'm trying to connect my 7970 hpib to the 12821 card . And I think the 7974 driver is backwards compatable with the 7970 from what i have read. 

Thanks for the reply
Re: Hp 21mx loader rom set

Rik Bos
 

Hi Grant,

Which processor do you have M or E/F ?
And which boot device do want to use?
The bitsavers set works for most applications on the E and F processors and probably also for the M processor.

-Rik

-Rik




On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:45 PM +0200, "Klyball" <Grant@...> wrote:

Hi all, i am looking for a loader rom set for my 21mx and does not seem to be around at the usual places, I am hoping to find a leed.
Here is what i am in need of.

12992L consisting of
 
12992-80011
91740-80070
91740-80071
91740-80072

there is a set of 91740 on bit savers but with a suffix of 67-69 ?
any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

Grant
Hp 21mx loader rom set

Klyball
 

Hi all, i am looking for a loader rom set for my 21mx and does not seem to be around at the usual places, I am hoping to find a leed.
Here is what i am in need of.

12992L consisting of
 
12992-80011
91740-80070
91740-80071
91740-80072

there is a set of 91740 on bit savers but with a suffix of 67-69 ?
any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

Grant
Re: HP-UX 5.1 on 9920 AKA 9000/220

Anders
 

And, even if it ran, it would be unbearably slow. At least that is what I see on my 9000 340
Re: Infotek MF320 board for 9000/200

J-F Garnier
 

The MF300 board (68881 + 1MB) is mentioned in the documentation associated to the Intotek BASIC 4 Compiler .
The MF320 may be supported too.

Otherwise the 68881 is natively supported by the BASIC 4 or higher.
You can check if the 68881 is detected by the BASIC with
STATUS 32,2;A
DISP A
0 means no FPU, 1 means HP98635 or MC68881.

J-F
Re: HP-UX 5.1 on 9920 AKA 9000/220

Paul Berger
 


On 2020-06-24 5:44 p.m., Rico Pajarola wrote:
I did some more research, and found this, which put an end to my wishful thinking...

It's simple! Take the CPU board out of a current Model 220
(HP 9920) or Model 236 (HP 9836A/C), replace it with a
new CPU board, and you have a Series 200 product capable
of running HP-UX.
The new CPU board includes a 12.5 MHz 68000 processor
(previously, only. an 8 MHz 68000 was available). In addition, the board contains 16Kb of cache memory and the
memory management hardware necessary for multi-user v applications. Note that there is no user RAM present on the
new CPU board.
The base level hardware order numbers are HP 9920U,
9836U, and 9836CU. 'They designate the new-CPU versions
a of the HP 9920A, 9836A, and 9836C respectively. As such,
they include no software or extra RAM. 

and later
98670A #012 Single-User HP-UX

98670A corresponds to HP-UX 2.0

98670A Disk-based HP-UX 2.0 Operating System (single user)

So I guess this settles the question. You need the 12.5MHz CPU board with MMU in order to run any version of HP-UX and there was no older version that didn't require that.


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I think you will find that the processor chip is actually a 68010 which is a somewhat enhanced 68000, in this case the most import enhancement is the facilities to support virtual memory, specifically when a page fault occurs the 68010 save enough information on the stack for the OS to be able to resume after loading the required page.  The 68010 is also slightly faster than a 68000 at the same clock speed.

Paul.
Re: HP-UX 5.1 on 9920 AKA 9000/220

Rico Pajarola
 

I did some more research, and found this, which put an end to my wishful thinking...

It's simple! Take the CPU board out of a current Model 220
(HP 9920) or Model 236 (HP 9836A/C), replace it with a
new CPU board, and you have a Series 200 product capable
of running HP-UX.
The new CPU board includes a 12.5 MHz 68000 processor
(previously, only. an 8 MHz 68000 was available). In addition, the board contains 16Kb of cache memory and the
memory management hardware necessary for multi-user v applications. Note that there is no user RAM present on the
new CPU board.
The base level hardware order numbers are HP 9920U,
9836U, and 9836CU. 'They designate the new-CPU versions
a of the HP 9920A, 9836A, and 9836C respectively. As such,
they include no software or extra RAM. 

and later
98670A #012 Single-User HP-UX

98670A corresponds to HP-UX 2.0

98670A Disk-based HP-UX 2.0 Operating System (single user)

So I guess this settles the question. You need the 12.5MHz CPU board with MMU in order to run any version of HP-UX and there was no older version that didn't require that.
Re: HP-UX 5.1 on 9920 AKA 9000/220

Rico Pajarola
 

https://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/1986-07.pdf talks about HP-UX 5.0 on Series 300, and makes it sound like it was a S300-only release and 5.1 was the unified S200+S300 release.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:09 PM Rik Bos <hp-fix@...> wrote:
As far as I know the HP-UX 5.0 is used on the Integral. Which has 68000 processor and runs a rom based HP-UX. There 2 versions for the Integral are  V1.0 and V5.0 which is based on version V unix. But the difference between both versions is not big.

-Rik

Van: <vinthpcom@groups.io> namens Rico Pajarola <rp@...>
Verstuurd: maandag 22 juni 2020 19:56
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Onderwerp: Re: [VintHPcom] HP-UX 5.1 on 9920 AKA 9000/220

I got two 9920, and I spent quite some time trying to figure that out.

For all I know, 5.1 requires a 68010. I never found any indication that there's a version of 5.1 that works on a 68000 machine. It certainly doesn't work on my 9920 ;(

http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/hp/9000_200/9000-200_periphSupp_Dec89.pdf has a table of supported systems for 2.1/2.2L/5.1. It's a bit hard to read with all the footnotes, but my interpretation of it is:

HP-UX 2.1 works only on 68000 based systems (i.e. not the 217 nor upgraded 220/226/236)
HP-UX 2.2L is basically 2.x for the 217 (but <shrug> I don't think there was a 217 with an older CPU board so who knows what they're trying to say there)
HP-UX 5.1 requires a 68010 (217, upgraded 220/226/236)

What makes that table so confusing is that they describe whether the shipped standard configuration can run it and conflate that with the required and incompatible processor board upgrades, and make a distinction between single-user and multi-user which seem to differ only in memory requirements.

HP has been omitting HP-UX version numbers in documentation until about 5.1 when everything became complicated, so it's always a bit ambiguous, but the only machine that genuinely can't run any version of HP-UX seems to be the 216 (not enough DIO slots to add all the required stuff). I've read in another manual that HP-UX should work on any S200 (caveat: only machines that existed at the time, so probably not the 216). Requirements were given as 768KB RAM, 98620B DMA controller, and 98625A disc interface (unfortunately I didn't note down where I got that from, and it didn't say which version, but I had it down as "5.0?"). I'd be curious to see whether 5.0 was 68000 or 68010 (or maybe both).

Have any of the 2.1/2.2/5.0 bits survived?



On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:18 AM Achim Buerger <achim.r.buerger@...> wrote:
Hi all,

on hpmuseum.net there is a HP-UX image for 9000/300 which doesn't boot on my 9000/220 (wrong processor type). Propably is expects a 68010 CPU and the 220 has 68000.
There is also a set og HP-UX install discs and I'm asking wether it is worth trying to install HP-UX from scratch with these discs or HP_UX 5.1 simply won't run on a 220.
Are there any experiences with HP-UX on 9000/220? Is there a special 9000/200 release?

Achim


Re: HP 110, 150: Looking for Turbo Pascal Version 3.02 for MS-DOS (not PC-DOS/IBM PC)

Dave McGuire
 

On 6/22/20 7:49 AM, Martin Hepperle wrote:
before I re-invent the wheel (and I only invented the 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0
spokes) have a look at one of the many web sites like
https://winworldpc.com/product/turbo-pascal/3x
or
https://vetusware.com/manufacturer/Borland/?author=3049
Got 'em. Thanks!

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: HP-UX 5.1 on 9920 AKA 9000/220

Paul Berger
 


On 2020-06-22 4:43 p.m., Achim Buerger wrote:
The 9920 service manual states as possible OS the 98670 / 98689 HP-UX 2.0.
What makes the thing even more complicated, that in my machine a mainboard 09836-66510 is plugged, whereas the service man lists 09826-66516.
To me it seems as if the mainboard was also build for the 9836.
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It seems that the 9826, 9836, and 9920 all use the same CPU cards and there are two types, the original 68000 based card that also has 128K of memory on it and then the 68010 based card which has the memory replaced by a HP designed Memory Management Unit (MMU).  It would seem that the 09836-66510 and 09826-66516 are both the 68000 card with 128K of memory.  I seem to recall that V5.1 of HP-UX needs a MMU to function.

Paul.
Re: HP-UX 5.1 on 9920 AKA 9000/220

Rico Pajarola
 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:22 PM Achim Buerger <achim.r.buerger@...> wrote:
Then maybe the 98643A is not so unsupported. Which mainbord is in your machines?
I wish I could check, but the machine is in another country.
Re: HP-UX 5.1 on 9920 AKA 9000/220

Achim Buerger
 

Then maybe the 98643A is not so unsupported. Which mainbord is in your machines?