Something different ...


John Fell
 

Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?
I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .
I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...
Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.
Stop Larfing Andy .
73
John

G0API 


KENT BRITAIN
 

Tom Clancy would have?????    Tom Clancy got that from the US Navy.

Satellite to Sub, been used for decades!    Has good water penetration.



On Monday, September 13, 2021, 02:07:42 PM CDT, John Fell <john.g0api@...> wrote:


Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?
I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .
I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...
Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.
Stop Larfing Andy .
73
John

G0API 


Colin Ranson
 

Are they not using a redundant nuclear hunter/killer to film on ? Like the Swiftsure Class ? Can’t imagine even BBC props dept to be making some of that stuff.

 

Been watching it, even if giggling about the round analogue meter in the bit of kit.

 

Colin de G8LBS.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: John Fell
Sent: 13 September 2021 20:07
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: [UKMicrowaves] Something different ...

 

Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?

I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .

I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...

Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

 

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.

Stop Larfing Andy .

73

John

 

G0API 

 


Gedas
 

One of my favorite parts is in the movie Top Gun when Maverick is running WAY low on fuel as he looks over to his digital fuel meter. It showed only 1-2 bars lit up so he raps on it with his finger tips hoping it would bounce back up like an old stuck analog meter <g>.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/13/2021 3:55 PM, Colin Ranson wrote:

Are they not using a redundant nuclear hunter/killer to film on ? Like the Swiftsure Class ? Can’t imagine even BBC props dept to be making some of that stuff.

 

Been watching it, even if giggling about the round analogue meter in the bit of kit.

 

Colin de G8LBS.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: John Fell
Sent: 13 September 2021 20:07
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: [UKMicrowaves] Something different ...

 

Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?

I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .

I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...

Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

 

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.

Stop Larfing Andy .

73

John

 

G0API 

 


John Fell
 

Err,
yes that was rather the point about the comms loss .
And I forgot to mention the SCRAM -busy boat .
It is all filmed on a built screen stage though.

73
John G0API

On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 20:18, KENT BRITAIN <WA5VJB@...> wrote:
Tom Clancy would have?????    Tom Clancy got that from the US Navy.

Satellite to Sub, been used for decades!    Has good water penetration.



On Monday, September 13, 2021, 02:07:42 PM CDT, John Fell <john.g0api@...> wrote:


Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?
I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .
I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...
Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.
Stop Larfing Andy .
73
John

G0API 


Andy G4JNT
 

Tom Clancy
Yes, that Vigil series is a joke, in just about every area.



On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 20:07, John Fell <john.g0api@...> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?
I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .
I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...
Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.
Stop Larfing Andy .
73
John

G0API 


Murray Niman
 

Everything you see on board Vigil is entirely a made up studio set and far too spacious. Contrast with the new Ch5 series life on board HMSTrenchant which was made shortly before decommissioning due to old age

 73

 Murray 


John Fell
 

Good to know we have not trivialised our main deterrent Murray .

Have not watched the factual series yet but did it show any round ,black Bakerlite surrounded meters ?

The only sub I have been on is at Chatham Dockyards , decommissioned in early 1960's ? and that probably did have the meters (as opposed to digitised kit) .Yes life onboard was very Spartan ...

73
John
G0API

On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 23:53, Murray Niman <g6jyb@...> wrote:
Everything you see on board Vigil is entirely a made up studio set and far too spacious. Contrast with the new Ch5 series life on board HMSTrenchant which was made shortly before decommissioning due to old age

 73

 Murray 


Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Surely the show is set on HMS Sinky - and photographed from a Canberra. Just ask @RAF_Luton on Twitter for confirmation.  Truth.

Neil G4DBN

On 14/09/2021 10:30, John Fell wrote:
Good to know we have not trivialised our main deterrent Murray .

Have not watched the factual series yet but did it show any round ,black Bakerlite surrounded meters ?

The only sub I have been on is at Chatham Dockyards , decommissioned in early 1960's ? and that probably did have the meters (as opposed to digitised kit) .Yes life onboard was very Spartan ...

73
John
G0API

On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 23:53, Murray Niman <g6jyb@...> wrote:
Everything you see on board Vigil is entirely a made up studio set and far too spacious. Contrast with the new Ch5 series life on board HMSTrenchant which was made shortly before decommissioning due to old age

 73

 Murray 


Robin Szemeti - G1YFG
 

We bought our boat off a guy in Chatham, and in his younger ways he had worked as a pipe fitter on nuclear subs there. He told us it was an absoutely brilliant job as you had to carry a dosimeter, and when the dosimeter reached the "full" reading, you could go home for the rest of the day and still be paid ... some days you could be home within the hour ;)

On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 10:34, Neil Smith G4DBN <neil@...> wrote:

Surely the show is set on HMS Sinky - and photographed from a Canberra. Just ask @RAF_Luton on Twitter for confirmation.  Truth.

Neil G4DBN

On 14/09/2021 10:30, John Fell wrote:
Good to know we have not trivialised our main deterrent Murray .

Have not watched the factual series yet but did it show any round ,black Bakerlite surrounded meters ?

The only sub I have been on is at Chatham Dockyards , decommissioned in early 1960's ? and that probably did have the meters (as opposed to digitised kit) .Yes life onboard was very Spartan ...

73
John
G0API

On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 23:53, Murray Niman <g6jyb@...> wrote:
Everything you see on board Vigil is entirely a made up studio set and far too spacious. Contrast with the new Ch5 series life on board HMSTrenchant which was made shortly before decommissioning due to old age

 73

 Murray 


--
Robin Szemeti - G1YFG


M5AKA
 

Vigil is a fictional drama, it is by definition fiction - all made up.

The company World Productions produced it to make money by selling it to TV companies around the world.  Its aim is to entertain, nothing more.

People may grumble about lack of accuracy but why do they expect fiction to be accurate ? 

It’s only if you have detailed knowledge that you’ll spot inaccuracies - every single fictional program has a similar level of inaccuracies but if they aren’t in your area of specialisation you simply don’t notice them.

73 Trevor M5AKA 



John Fell
 

Hi Gedas,
Ah ,Top Gun - great Fun. My Grandchildren like the music ....

Funnily enough I used to work for Flight Refuelling Electronics , who were the first company to be licensed to manufacture Reedswitches by Amphenol , over here in UK. ( originally invented for Telephone switching circuits by ATT in the 1940's ) .

Our then main use for Reedswitches was as part of Aircraft fuel level monitoring devices , using permanent magnets within floats to trigger them as the level went up on fill or down in use .Being hermetically glass sealed on manufacture the switch contacts remained at very low resistance during use and were anyway often part of resistive ladder networks .

The relevance to metering was the cockpit analogue meters did often stick and needed the occasional thump with a finger .They could have been fitted to our V Bomber fleet ....
FR is long gone and is now owned by Multinational Eaton Valves in the USA - at least manufacturing is still going on here in UK and Eaton are not a Vampire Hedge fund ...
Best 73
John
G0API


On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 21:07, Gedas <w8bya@...> wrote:

One of my favorite parts is in the movie Top Gun when Maverick is running WAY low on fuel as he looks over to his digital fuel meter. It showed only 1-2 bars lit up so he raps on it with his finger tips hoping it would bounce back up like an old stuck analog meter <g>.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/13/2021 3:55 PM, Colin Ranson wrote:

Are they not using a redundant nuclear hunter/killer to film on ? Like the Swiftsure Class ? Can’t imagine even BBC props dept to be making some of that stuff.

 

Been watching it, even if giggling about the round analogue meter in the bit of kit.

 

Colin de G8LBS.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: John Fell
Sent: 13 September 2021 20:07
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: [UKMicrowaves] Something different ...

 

Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?

I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .

I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...

Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

 

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.

Stop Larfing Andy .

73

John

 

G0API 

 


alwyn.seeds1
 

Dear All,

By contrast, the late, great Ken Adam was given the task of designing the interior of a B52 for Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove.

The real thing was, of course, classified at that time and USAF were unhelpful.

Many years later, I took a walk round the inside of a B52- uncannily similar to Ken Adam’s creation.

The account of the making of the film states that an official investigation took place to determine how Ken Adam got it so right- result inconclusive.

That said, and to move the thread back to microwaves- GEC’s first digital microwave links in the early 1970s introduced the innovation of round meters, as a contrast to the ‘60s square ones.

Walking along a transmission bay, I was surprised to have this old fashioned looking rack introduced to me as the technology of the future.

So the latest subs may well have round meters- this is fashion, folks.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH

_____________________________________________________

Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
_____________________________________________________


Andy
 

It appears that the Swiftsure boats of 1970's are all long gone

Decommissioned but all the boats are all still in Rosyth or Devonport waiting for someone to figure out how to dismantle the hot bits.

Interesting elapsed - hours display, I spent a few weeks debugging an elapsed hours clock based on a chip a few on here well known for programming.  There was one fitted on every PCB in the SONAR my employer provided the RN. It maintained a count of number of times each board was powered on and elapsed time in 15min chunks also serial number, revision status etc. To save the flash memory from write failure from over use, the data was on committed when the power failed. That idea should be causing most of you nightmares but the customer was not having any on board batteries, rechargeable or not.  This meant it only had a few mS to program the data before the power rail collapsed too far. The design was marginal and all the first batch of boards needed the microcontroller replacing with its low power cousin. This was something requiring much good design and testing to make sure it worked every time and produced sensible numbers and so the smart management types gave the task to a Summer intern from a local uni who made a right gash job requiring a grizzly old gibbon like me to come and do the job properly.  It still strikes me as a completely stupid idea. Of course, the fact the elapsed time was kept in flash did mean you could "clock" the boards like a dodgy second hand car dealer before shipping them to Barrow. Seems like only yesterday but I'm amazed that it was 22 years ago. The rest of the design and what it could do made you go "Ooooooooooh! That's clever".



Gedas
 

Hi John.......sorry to beat the "dead horse" but just have to share with you my adventure aboard the USS Truman a decade ago as the crew and family members were treated to a "tiger cruise" once the ship arrived home from a tour in the Gulf. Best damn food I ever had too! We departed Norfolk VA and headed out to sea about 80 miles off the coast where we were all treated to a show of force with live ordinance, supersonic flyby's by F-14 & F-18 and the official decommissioning of the amazing F-14 Tomcat (with the sticky digital fuel displays). That has got to be one of my all time favorite jets.

Anyway spending the entire day literally 25' away from the wingtips of the jets as they took off and landed was something you can never ever fully explain nor forget. A final tribute was given by the Navy ceremony "launching-the-boot" of the F-14 squadron leaders boots off the steam powered catapult off the bow of the ship LOL.....what a sight.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/14/2021 5:47 AM, John Fell wrote:

Hi Gedas,
Ah ,Top Gun - great Fun. My Grandchildren like the music ....

Funnily enough I used to work for Flight Refuelling Electronics , who were the first company to be licensed to manufacture Reedswitches by Amphenol , over here in UK. ( originally invented for Telephone switching circuits by ATT in the 1940's ) .

Our then main use for Reedswitches was as part of Aircraft fuel level monitoring devices , using permanent magnets within floats to trigger them as the level went up on fill or down in use .Being hermetically glass sealed on manufacture the switch contacts remained at very low resistance during use and were anyway often part of resistive ladder networks .

The relevance to metering was the cockpit analogue meters did often stick and needed the occasional thump with a finger .They could have been fitted to our V Bomber fleet ....
FR is long gone and is now owned by Multinational Eaton Valves in the USA - at least manufacturing is still going on here in UK and Eaton are not a Vampire Hedge fund ...
Best 73
John
G0API


On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 21:07, Gedas <w8bya@...> wrote:

One of my favorite parts is in the movie Top Gun when Maverick is running WAY low on fuel as he looks over to his digital fuel meter. It showed only 1-2 bars lit up so he raps on it with his finger tips hoping it would bounce back up like an old stuck analog meter <g>.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/13/2021 3:55 PM, Colin Ranson wrote:

Are they not using a redundant nuclear hunter/killer to film on ? Like the Swiftsure Class ? Can’t imagine even BBC props dept to be making some of that stuff.

 

Been watching it, even if giggling about the round analogue meter in the bit of kit.

 

Colin de G8LBS.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: John Fell
Sent: 13 September 2021 20:07
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: [UKMicrowaves] Something different ...

 

Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?

I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .

I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...

Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

 

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.

Stop Larfing Andy .

73

John

 

G0API 

 


Andy G4JNT
 

Assuming you mean a PIC, I worked out that to do it reliably using an oldish 16F628A that needed 5V flash writing required 1000uF, and that's with a lot of margin.  

SO not really a nightmare issue, surely?



On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 17:58, Andy <mm0fmf@...> wrote:
It appears that the Swiftsure boats of 1970's are all long gone

Decommissioned but all the boats are all still in Rosyth or Devonport waiting for someone to figure out how to dismantle the hot bits.

Interesting elapsed - hours display, I spent a few weeks debugging an elapsed hours clock based on a chip a few on here well known for programming.  There was one fitted on every PCB in the SONAR my employer provided the RN. It maintained a count of number of times each board was powered on and elapsed time in 15min chunks also serial number, revision status etc. To save the flash memory from write failure from over use, the data was on committed when the power failed. That idea should be causing most of you nightmares but the customer was not having any on board batteries, rechargeable or not.  This meant it only had a few mS to program the data before the power rail collapsed too far. The design was marginal and all the first batch of boards needed the microcontroller replacing with its low power cousin. This was something requiring much good design and testing to make sure it worked every time and produced sensible numbers and so the smart management types gave the task to a Summer intern from a local uni who made a right gash job requiring a grizzly old gibbon like me to come and do the job properly.  It still strikes me as a completely stupid idea. Of course, the fact the elapsed time was kept in flash did mean you could "clock" the boards like a dodgy second hand car dealer before shipping them to Barrow. Seems like only yesterday but I'm amazed that it was 22 years ago. The rest of the design and what it could do made you go "Ooooooooooh! That's clever".



Andy
 

Yes that would do. There were plenty of reasons (political and technical) why only the chip could be changed and no other changes done.


From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io> on behalf of Andy G4JNT <andy.g4jnt@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 10:11 AM
To: UK Microwaves groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] Something different ...
 
Assuming you mean a PIC, I worked out that to do it reliably using an oldish 16F628A that needed 5V flash writing required 1000uF, and that's with a lot of margin.  

SO not really a nightmare issue, surely?



On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 17:58, Andy <mm0fmf@...> wrote:
It appears that the Swiftsure boats of 1970's are all long gone

Decommissioned but all the boats are all still in Rosyth or Devonport waiting for someone to figure out how to dismantle the hot bits.

Interesting elapsed - hours display, I spent a few weeks debugging an elapsed hours clock based on a chip a few on here well known for programming.  There was one fitted on every PCB in the SONAR my employer provided the RN. It maintained a count of number of times each board was powered on and elapsed time in 15min chunks also serial number, revision status etc. To save the flash memory from write failure from over use, the data was on committed when the power failed. That idea should be causing most of you nightmares but the customer was not having any on board batteries, rechargeable or not.  This meant it only had a few mS to program the data before the power rail collapsed too far. The design was marginal and all the first batch of boards needed the microcontroller replacing with its low power cousin. This was something requiring much good design and testing to make sure it worked every time and produced sensible numbers and so the smart management types gave the task to a Summer intern from a local uni who made a right gash job requiring a grizzly old gibbon like me to come and do the job properly.  It still strikes me as a completely stupid idea. Of course, the fact the elapsed time was kept in flash did mean you could "clock" the boards like a dodgy second hand car dealer before shipping them to Barrow. Seems like only yesterday but I'm amazed that it was 22 years ago. The rest of the design and what it could do made you go "Ooooooooooh! That's clever".



John Fell
 

Hi Gedas,
That is what my youngest Grandson would call awesome !
Good to know launching the C/Os boots also occurs in the West .
My nearest loud experience was at a Radio Special Event station held at the Bournemouth UK Airshow , when it was held at the Bournemouth International (Hurn) Airport .Our club G4RFR got invited as a good friend of mine Harry G3AAO was at the time the Airport Director .
We were in a well tied down Marquee just off the main apron when the last Vulcan V Bomber was rotated in front  of us .
The station was on TX at the time and the rig output meter was pinned for what seemed like 2 mins as this Goliath hauled ass with its RR (Olympics ?) seemingly near vertical.
At the same show a couple of Harrier jump Jets  - (same as your Marine Corp use) did a couple of downdraft blips and sent several plastic tables and chairs rapidly along the taxiway .
Argh , talking about some things that are factual for a change - whatever next .
Best 73 OM

John
G0API

On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 18:11, Gedas <w8bya@...> wrote:

Hi John.......sorry to beat the "dead horse" but just have to share with you my adventure aboard the USS Truman a decade ago as the crew and family members were treated to a "tiger cruise" once the ship arrived home from a tour in the Gulf. Best damn food I ever had too! We departed Norfolk VA and headed out to sea about 80 miles off the coast where we were all treated to a show of force with live ordinance, supersonic flyby's by F-14 & F-18 and the official decommissioning of the amazing F-14 Tomcat (with the sticky digital fuel displays). That has got to be one of my all time favorite jets.

Anyway spending the entire day literally 25' away from the wingtips of the jets as they took off and landed was something you can never ever fully explain nor forget. A final tribute was given by the Navy ceremony "launching-the-boot" of the F-14 squadron leaders boots off the steam powered catapult off the bow of the ship LOL.....what a sight.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/14/2021 5:47 AM, John Fell wrote:
Hi Gedas,
Ah ,Top Gun - great Fun. My Grandchildren like the music ....

Funnily enough I used to work for Flight Refuelling Electronics , who were the first company to be licensed to manufacture Reedswitches by Amphenol , over here in UK. ( originally invented for Telephone switching circuits by ATT in the 1940's ) .

Our then main use for Reedswitches was as part of Aircraft fuel level monitoring devices , using permanent magnets within floats to trigger them as the level went up on fill or down in use .Being hermetically glass sealed on manufacture the switch contacts remained at very low resistance during use and were anyway often part of resistive ladder networks .

The relevance to metering was the cockpit analogue meters did often stick and needed the occasional thump with a finger .They could have been fitted to our V Bomber fleet ....
FR is long gone and is now owned by Multinational Eaton Valves in the USA - at least manufacturing is still going on here in UK and Eaton are not a Vampire Hedge fund ...
Best 73
John
G0API


On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 21:07, Gedas <w8bya@...> wrote:

One of my favorite parts is in the movie Top Gun when Maverick is running WAY low on fuel as he looks over to his digital fuel meter. It showed only 1-2 bars lit up so he raps on it with his finger tips hoping it would bounce back up like an old stuck analog meter <g>.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/13/2021 3:55 PM, Colin Ranson wrote:

Are they not using a redundant nuclear hunter/killer to film on ? Like the Swiftsure Class ? Can’t imagine even BBC props dept to be making some of that stuff.

 

Been watching it, even if giggling about the round analogue meter in the bit of kit.

 

Colin de G8LBS.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: John Fell
Sent: 13 September 2021 20:07
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: [UKMicrowaves] Something different ...

 

Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?

I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .

I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...

Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

 

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.

Stop Larfing Andy .

73

John

 

G0API 

 


John Fell
 

Interesting Alwyn,
I forgot in my original enquiry that all technical matters about our current undersea deterrent are detailed in a Haynes Manual - look under Astute Class in their book listings .
Possibly one or two small details missing but near enough for TV creatives to play with .

73
John
G0API

On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 11:14, alwyn.seeds1 <a.seeds@...> wrote:
Dear All,

By contrast, the late, great Ken Adam was given the task of designing the interior of a B52 for Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove.

The real thing was, of course, classified at that time and USAF were unhelpful.

Many years later, I took a walk round the inside of a B52- uncannily similar to Ken Adam’s creation.

The account of the making of the film states that an official investigation took place to determine how Ken Adam got it so right- result inconclusive.

That said, and to move the thread back to microwaves- GEC’s first digital microwave links in the early 1970s introduced the innovation of round meters, as a contrast to the ‘60s square ones.

Walking along a transmission bay, I was surprised to have this old fashioned looking rack introduced to me as the technology of the future.

So the latest subs may well have round meters- this is fashion, folks.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH

_____________________________________________________

Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
_____________________________________________________


Andy G4JNT
 

Round about 1978, the RAF Tested a access to a inner city area, by landing a Harrier at BBC Pebble Mill Studios, Birmingham.   If memory serves correctly, the public access was from the adjacent street perhaps 40m from the landing site with just an open wire fence separating.  But one local resident had a garden that backed onto teh fence more or less at teh landing site, and he allowed a fair few people in to perhaps 15m from the aircraft landing.

One local (an objector)  had a sound level meter and he recorded 120dBa where some of us were standing - that, even then, was acknowledged to be well into danger levels.  I know I had trouble hearing my driving instructor a couple of hours later that afternoon.   The report on the News that night had the picture shimmering from vibration at the thing took off. 



On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 18:57, John Fell <john.g0api@...> wrote:
Hi Gedas,
That is what my youngest Grandson would call awesome !
Good to know launching the C/Os boots also occurs in the West .
My nearest loud experience was at a Radio Special Event station held at the Bournemouth UK Airshow , when it was held at the Bournemouth International (Hurn) Airport .Our club G4RFR got invited as a good friend of mine Harry G3AAO was at the time the Airport Director .
We were in a well tied down Marquee just off the main apron when the last Vulcan V Bomber was rotated in front  of us .
The station was on TX at the time and the rig output meter was pinned for what seemed like 2 mins as this Goliath hauled ass with its RR (Olympics ?) seemingly near vertical.
At the same show a couple of Harrier jump Jets  - (same as your Marine Corp use) did a couple of downdraft blips and sent several plastic tables and chairs rapidly along the taxiway .
Argh , talking about some things that are factual for a change - whatever next .
Best 73 OM

John
G0API

On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 18:11, Gedas <w8bya@...> wrote:

Hi John.......sorry to beat the "dead horse" but just have to share with you my adventure aboard the USS Truman a decade ago as the crew and family members were treated to a "tiger cruise" once the ship arrived home from a tour in the Gulf. Best damn food I ever had too! We departed Norfolk VA and headed out to sea about 80 miles off the coast where we were all treated to a show of force with live ordinance, supersonic flyby's by F-14 & F-18 and the official decommissioning of the amazing F-14 Tomcat (with the sticky digital fuel displays). That has got to be one of my all time favorite jets.

Anyway spending the entire day literally 25' away from the wingtips of the jets as they took off and landed was something you can never ever fully explain nor forget. A final tribute was given by the Navy ceremony "launching-the-boot" of the F-14 squadron leaders boots off the steam powered catapult off the bow of the ship LOL.....what a sight.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/14/2021 5:47 AM, John Fell wrote:
Hi Gedas,
Ah ,Top Gun - great Fun. My Grandchildren like the music ....

Funnily enough I used to work for Flight Refuelling Electronics , who were the first company to be licensed to manufacture Reedswitches by Amphenol , over here in UK. ( originally invented for Telephone switching circuits by ATT in the 1940's ) .

Our then main use for Reedswitches was as part of Aircraft fuel level monitoring devices , using permanent magnets within floats to trigger them as the level went up on fill or down in use .Being hermetically glass sealed on manufacture the switch contacts remained at very low resistance during use and were anyway often part of resistive ladder networks .

The relevance to metering was the cockpit analogue meters did often stick and needed the occasional thump with a finger .They could have been fitted to our V Bomber fleet ....
FR is long gone and is now owned by Multinational Eaton Valves in the USA - at least manufacturing is still going on here in UK and Eaton are not a Vampire Hedge fund ...
Best 73
John
G0API


On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 21:07, Gedas <w8bya@...> wrote:

One of my favorite parts is in the movie Top Gun when Maverick is running WAY low on fuel as he looks over to his digital fuel meter. It showed only 1-2 bars lit up so he raps on it with his finger tips hoping it would bounce back up like an old stuck analog meter <g>.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/13/2021 3:55 PM, Colin Ranson wrote:

Are they not using a redundant nuclear hunter/killer to film on ? Like the Swiftsure Class ? Can’t imagine even BBC props dept to be making some of that stuff.

 

Been watching it, even if giggling about the round analogue meter in the bit of kit.

 

Colin de G8LBS.

 

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From: John Fell
Sent: 13 September 2021 20:07
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: [UKMicrowaves] Something different ...

 

Has anyone else noticed the recent BBC drama set onboard a SuB?

I saw at least one black bezel on a circular analogue meter that I would reckon was at least 50 years old .That and a bog standard 4 stack filing cabinet ...and a towed array that reduced the comms to shore link to fail completely .

I also wonder if not noticing an Oil tanker on the latest array until it was metres away was a good advert ...

Yes I know it's all fiction and no subs were involved , but a little realism to add to the rising body count would maybe help .....?

 

30 years ago Ed Clancy would have had them using Blue Green Laser Sat comms LOL.

Stop Larfing Andy .

73

John

 

G0API