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Re: microwave workshops

Chris G8BKE
 

Surely its a means to an end Andy...if dropping in a more dB's of power or antenna gain or a
few less in NF suffices to make the contact then there is little incentive to try a different mode?
Maybe we
should have contests where SSB and CW is strictly forbidden and maximum power is 100mW?

C

The LF community have made more technical advances in the last decade - with
some respected work in the professional field too - than have microwaves.
Where are we on spread spectrum, spectrum reuse, weak signal modes, coding
etc. Thre's a few individuals pushing things, but they're mostly pros
anyway.
Instead, we just just bang on using linear modulation in narrow channels.


Re: Digital modes on microwaves

Dave <dave.g0dja@...>
 

JOHN RANDALL wrote:
I meant psk modes like hellschreiber ( my favourite ) and bpsk.....
John
OK, well I'd like to use analogue digital modes, when I get the transverters sorted out, as well.

However, I'd quite like to try digital voice modes as well. I'm seriously considering trying to get some Icom radios, preferably 1.2GHz, with D-Star modules fitted, but that would divert savings that I'm hoping to use for transverters.

I read an article by G4GUO and G4JNT (now, where have I seen that callsign lately? ;-) ) about designing and building a digital voice modem and now AOR are marketing one, although it costs about 170 plus P&P in the UK.

Is it possible to send digital voice from a PC, I wonder? If so, I could use VAC to send audio to my SDR1000 and then onto the transverters.

The D-Star idea looks interesting, in that it allows for data as well as voice transmissions. I am guessing that not many people will have D-Star in the UK yet?

Dave (G0DJA)


Re: Digital modes on microwaves

JOHN RANDALL <m0els@...>
 

I meant psk modes like hellschreiber ( my favourite ) and bpsk.....
 
John

Dave wrote:
JOHN RANDALL wrote:
> which is why I am gearing up for digital modes....I have already made
> up a pcb and must just connect the cables to the serial port + rig and
> off I go.
> I think digital modes are an excellent source of comms over microwave
> freqs......

When you say 'digital' John, do you mean really digital such as
HAMDRM/WinDRM and D-Star, or PSK modes?

I wonder what the design of the PCB is, and what modes are you planning
on using?


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Digital modes on microwaves

Dave <dave.g0dja@...>
 

JOHN RANDALL wrote:
which is why I am gearing up for digital modes....I have already made up a pcb and must just connect the cables to the serial port + rig and off I go.
I think digital modes are an excellent source of comms over microwave freqs......
When you say 'digital' John, do you mean really digital such as HAMDRM/WinDRM and D-Star, or PSK modes?

I wonder what the design of the PCB is, and what modes are you planning on using?


Re: microwave workshops

JOHN RANDALL <m0els@...>
 

which is why I am gearing up for digital modes....I have already made up a pcb and must just connect the cables to the serial port + rig and off I go.
I think digital modes are an excellent source of comms over microwave freqs......
 
John

Talbot Andrew wrote:
We'd get microwaves wider known to people who count outside if we published more - technical articles, propagation;  things we've done.   How many users of the higher bands know microwaves reliably travel beyond teh horizon - we're the one in a position to tell them.
 
Just getting more operators on the bands shows we're just a bunch of ...well... amateurs, just playing about with radio at weekends.  And judging by the content of RadComic (apart from a couple of notable exceptions recently) that's pretty well the impression anyone would get reading it.
 
The LF community have made more technical advances in the last decade - with some respected work in the professional field too - than have microwaves.    Where are we on spread spectrum, spectrum reuse, weak signal modes, coding etc.  Thre's a few individuals pushing things, but they're mostly pros anyway.  
Instead, we just  just bang on using linear modulation in narrow channels.
 
Andy  G4JNT
 


From: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JOHN RANDALL
Sent: 19 December 2006 10:35
To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ukmicrowaves] microwave workshops

Ofcourse it will not be limited to badges and cd's only......Its the idea thats important.
The rsgb iniative is very successful, judging by the reports.
I think it will work very well and could be a major breakthrough in getting microwaves known to a wider audience.
 
Sitting back and pondering is not an option now days, as many proffessional people are warning of the possibility of bands being seized, through lack of usage and auctioned off.
 
John


Talbot Andrew dstl.gov.uk> wrote:
That's an awful lot of CD's and badges to finance tax / insurance / maintenance / fuel / depreciation...
 
 Andy  G4JNT
 


From: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JOHN RANDALL
Sent: 19 December 2006 08:30
To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ukmicrowaves] microwave workshops

I think UKMG should look into purchasing a camper van, kit it out and then take it out on the road. The camper van will serve two purposes...one to house the equipment and the other as a mobile home....while away from home and will incl items for sale such as cd's, badges etc to help finance the diesel/petrol and boost funds.
 
The camper van can be "hired" from UKMG by arc clubs for a weekend by competent people and this way UKMG does not really have to have someone on duty all the time.
 
73
John
 


Ian Lamb com> wrote:
John

Regarding your post below - what are you proposing then?

// Ian

I think the capture area should shoulbe be enlarged as much as possible, within budget etc.
If an arc wants to hold a microwave workshop, but does not have the skills to put on speakers, then those of us who have some knowledge can step in and cover that meeting.

Its all good and well hosing workshops in major centres.....or major concentration of supporters, but we need to inplement a similar strategy to the rsgb "travelling circus"........It does work and the results are impressive.

Many people dont have transport in the London area and train travelling nowdays is not an option.

73
John

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Not really microwaves but looking for info on TLNA 432S

Eddie G0EHV
 

Hi,
Not really microwaves but hope one of the group can help with any info
on the Mutek 70 cms pre-amp please?
Model number is TLNA 432s, I'd love a diagram or any info anyone has.

My mate Google didn't have any info!

Regards,
Eddie
G0EHV


Re: microwave workshops

Talbot Andrew <actalbot@...>
 

We'd get microwaves wider known to people who count outside if we published more - technical articles, propagation;  things we've done.   How many users of the higher bands know microwaves reliably travel beyond teh horizon - we're the one in a position to tell them.
 
Just getting more operators on the bands shows we're just a bunch of ...well... amateurs, just playing about with radio at weekends.  And judging by the content of RadComic (apart from a couple of notable exceptions recently) that's pretty well the impression anyone would get reading it.
 
The LF community have made more technical advances in the last decade - with some respected work in the professional field too - than have microwaves.    Where are we on spread spectrum, spectrum reuse, weak signal modes, coding etc.  Thre's a few individuals pushing things, but they're mostly pros anyway.  
Instead, we just  just bang on using linear modulation in narrow channels.
 
Andy  G4JNT

 



From: ukmicrowaves@... [mailto:ukmicrowaves@...] On Behalf Of JOHN RANDALL
Sent: 19 December 2006 10:35
To: ukmicrowaves@...
Subject: RE: [ukmicrowaves] microwave workshops

Ofcourse it will not be limited to badges and cd's only......Its the idea thats important.
The rsgb iniative is very successful, judging by the reports.
I think it will work very well and could be a major breakthrough in getting microwaves known to a wider audience.
 
Sitting back and pondering is not an option now days, as many proffessional people are warning of the possibility of bands being seized, through lack of usage and auctioned off.
 
John


Talbot Andrew dstl.gov.uk> wrote:
That's an awful lot of CD's and badges to finance tax / insurance / maintenance / fuel / depreciation...
 
 Andy  G4JNT
 


From: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JOHN RANDALL
Sent: 19 December 2006 08:30
To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ukmicrowaves] microwave workshops

I think UKMG should look into purchasing a camper van, kit it out and then take it out on the road. The camper van will serve two purposes...one to house the equipment and the other as a mobile home....while away from home and will incl items for sale such as cd's, badges etc to help finance the diesel/petrol and boost funds.
 
The camper van can be "hired" from UKMG by arc clubs for a weekend by competent people and this way UKMG does not really have to have someone on duty all the time.
 
73
John
 


Ian Lamb com> wrote:
John

Regarding your post below - what are you proposing then?

// Ian

I think the capture area should shoulbe be enlarged as much as possible, within budget etc.
If an arc wants to hold a microwave workshop, but does not have the skills to put on speakers, then those of us who have some knowledge can step in and cover that meeting.

Its all good and well hosing workshops in major centres.....or major concentration of supporters, but we need to inplement a similar strategy to the rsgb "travelling circus"........It does work and the results are impressive.

Many people dont have transport in the London area and train travelling nowdays is not an option.

73
John

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Re: microwave workshops

JOHN RANDALL <m0els@...>
 

Ofcourse it will not be limited to badges and cd's only......Its the idea thats important.
The rsgb iniative is very successful, judging by the reports.
I think it will work very well and could be a major breakthrough in getting microwaves known to a wider audience.
 
Sitting back and pondering is not an option now days, as many proffessional people are warning of the possibility of bands being seized, through lack of usage and auctioned off.
 
John


Talbot Andrew wrote:
That's an awful lot of CD's and badges to finance tax / insurance / maintenance / fuel / depreciation...
 
 Andy  G4JNT
 


From: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JOHN RANDALL
Sent: 19 December 2006 08:30
To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ukmicrowaves] microwave workshops

I think UKMG should look into purchasing a camper van, kit it out and then take it out on the road. The camper van will serve two purposes...one to house the equipment and the other as a mobile home....while away from home and will incl items for sale such as cd's, badges etc to help finance the diesel/petrol and boost funds.
 
The camper van can be "hired" from UKMG by arc clubs for a weekend by competent people and this way UKMG does not really have to have someone on duty all the time.
 
73
John
 


Ian Lamb com> wrote:
John

Regarding your post below - what are you proposing then?

// Ian

I think the capture area should shoulbe be enlarged as much as possible, within budget etc.
If an arc wants to hold a microwave workshop, but does not have the skills to put on speakers, then those of us who have some knowledge can step in and cover that meeting.

Its all good and well hosing workshops in major centres.....or major concentration of supporters, but we need to inplement a similar strategy to the rsgb "travelling circus"........It does work and the results are impressive.

Many people dont have transport in the London area and train travelling nowdays is not an option.

73
John

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Re: microwave workshops

Talbot Andrew <actalbot@...>
 

That's an awful lot of CD's and badges to finance tax / insurance / maintenance / fuel / depreciation...
 

 Andy  G4JNT

 



From: ukmicrowaves@... [mailto:ukmicrowaves@...] On Behalf Of JOHN RANDALL
Sent: 19 December 2006 08:30
To: ukmicrowaves@...
Subject: Re: [ukmicrowaves] microwave workshops

I think UKMG should look into purchasing a camper van, kit it out and then take it out on the road. The camper van will serve two purposes...one to house the equipment and the other as a mobile home....while away from home and will incl items for sale such as cd's, badges etc to help finance the diesel/petrol and boost funds.
 
The camper van can be "hired" from UKMG by arc clubs for a weekend by competent people and this way UKMG does not really have to have someone on duty all the time.
 
73
John
 


Ian Lamb com> wrote:
John

Regarding your post below - what are you proposing then?

// Ian

I think the capture area should shoulbe be enlarged as much as possible, within budget etc.
If an arc wants to hold a microwave workshop, but does not have the skills to put on speakers, then those of us who have some knowledge can step in and cover that meeting.

Its all good and well hosing workshops in major centres.....or major concentration of supporters, but we need to inplement a similar strategy to the rsgb "travelling circus"........It does work and the results are impressive.

Many people dont have transport in the London area and train travelling nowdays is not an option.

73
John

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Re: microwave workshops

JOHN RANDALL <m0els@...>
 

I think UKMG should look into purchasing a camper van, kit it out and then take it out on the road. The camper van will serve two purposes...one to house the equipment and the other as a mobile home....while away from home and will incl items for sale such as cd's, badges etc to help finance the diesel/petrol and boost funds.
 
The camper van can be "hired" from UKMG by arc clubs for a weekend by competent people and this way UKMG does not really have to have someone on duty all the time.
 
73
John
 


Ian Lamb wrote:
John

Regarding your post below - what are you proposing then?

// Ian

I think the capture area should shoulbe be enlarged as much as possible, within budget etc.
If an arc wants to hold a microwave workshop, but does not have the skills to put on speakers, then those of us who have some knowledge can step in and cover that meeting.

Its all good and well hosing workshops in major centres.....or major concentration of supporters, but we need to inplement a similar strategy to the rsgb "travelling circus"........It does work and the results are impressive.

Many people dont have transport in the London area and train travelling nowdays is not an option.

73
John

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Re: microwave workshops

mikeg3pfr@...
 

In a message dated 19/12/2006 11:14:00 GMT Standard Time, m0els@... writes:
Sitting back and pondering is not an option now days, as many proffessional people are warning of the possibility of bands being seized, through lack of usage and auctioned off.
That is a distinct possibility!
 
Regards, Mike, G3PFR


microwave workshops

Ian Lamb <ianlamb@...>
 

John

Regarding your post below - what are you proposing then?

// Ian


I think the capture area should shoulbe be enlarged as much as possible, within budget etc.
If an arc wants to hold a microwave workshop, but does not have the skills to put on speakers, then those of us who have some knowledge can step in and cover that meeting.

Its all good and well hosing workshops in major centres.....or major concentration of supporters, but we need to inplement a similar strategy to the rsgb "travelling circus"........It does work and the results are impressive.

Many people dont have transport in the London area and train travelling nowdays is not an option.

73
John

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Re: microwave workshops

GM6VXB
 

So really all the events have been held in the south.
Any chance of one in the north.
 
Martin.
IO97aq87
Aberdeenshire.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Day
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ukmicrowaves] microwave workshops

John Randall wrote:
> I,ve noticed that all the microwave workshops have been up north and
> none down south.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^???
Is there any reason why we cannot have one down
> south.......say in essex.

So far we have had three workshops... one here in Sheffield (not that
far North we had on attendee from Hampshire!), one in Dorset for those
on the South Coast and one in Suffolk for the East Anglian region.

The latter was at Martlesham in November John, on the Saturday of the
recent Round Table weekend. There were plenty of spare places
available then.

> I believe the reason given a while back was the lack of interest, but
> has anyone done a survey to find out, how many would attaend such a
> workshop?

There's no lack of interest I can assure you! The next one will be at
Telford early next year. More details can be found on the UKuG website
at www.microwavers.org. There is also one scheduled for the far South
West.

You also have to remember that such workshops are not a travelling
UKuG Committee "roadshow ... ie they are run and held by local
microwave groups who feel they'd like to put one on. The Committee
helps them out with information and sample presentations, etc, but
does not provide the speakers unless a committee member is willing to
go along and help, as was the case at Martlesham and as it will also
be in Cornwall.

BTW these workshops are intended at the absolute microwave beginner so
I think you, John, might find them somewhat below your own level of
experience.

UKuG is looking for volunteers to organise and run similar workshops
next year in North East England (eg Newcastle), Central Lowlands of
Scotland, South Wales and the Midlands. Offers please to the UKuG
Chairman via: chairman@microwavers.org.uk

73

Peter, G3PHO


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Re: microwave workshops

JOHN RANDALL <m0els@...>
 

Dave, I think the ukmg are looking into producing cd's/dvd's in the future, which would contain a wealth of information....I am not sure how far the planning is for this.
The amount of information out there must be staggering and would need assimilation into modules or subjects.....
 
John

Dave wrote:
JOHN RANDALL wrote:
> I think one is never to old to learn new tricks in microwaves and that
> many hard core ukmg members could learn a thing or two from these
> workshops...hi hi.

I've thought about going, as all of my microwaving was a good few years
ago now, but I'm put off by the 'Experienced people on the bands stay
away so that newcomers can attend' advertisments and the suggestion that
only people who have never used the bands will benefit.

So, I don't want to take up a place that someone else might benefit from
and I don't want to go to be told that, as I've used a couple of bands
in the past, that I wont be welcome.

Will the CD from the upcoming event in Telford be made more widely
available, please? I would pay the P&P and costs of producing one, and
it may bring me a bit more up to date without feeling that I'd taken a
place that should have gone to someone else.

Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)

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10 GHz PA

Keith Le Boutillier
 

Hi Group

 

http://mwrf.texterity.com/mwrf/200612/

 

The link above gives detail of a new GaN FET producing 81.3 Watts at 9.5 GHz and lower powers at higher frequencies 10 GHz PA? Anyone know the cost?

 

 

Seasons Greetings

 

Keith GU6EFB

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: G3JVL waveguide filters

Jules G0NZO
 

Mike,

I recon that 2.4mtr one that I had from you at the RAL meet would do nicely!
Now where did I put that box of magentrons?

I was going to start doing some repairs to that this evening, but B&Q are
out of argon welding gas. Odd things you end up doing, and I thought this
was
a radio hobby?!
BTW, you mentioned somewhere that did hardware cloth/expanded ali mesh,
could you remind me where.

Jules

Posted by: "Willis, MJ (Michael)" m.j.willis@rl.ac.uk g0mjw
Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:57 am (PST)
I remember the article on how to make an ATV transmitter using a
microwave oven. There was some mention of avoiding RF exposure. Would a
microwave at the focus of a 3m dish form the ultimate solution to the
spurious emissions from rogue WLAN devices?

Anyone looking for a 3m dish?

Mike


Re: microwave workshops

Dave <dave.g0dja@...>
 

JOHN RANDALL wrote:
I think one is never to old to learn new tricks in microwaves and that many hard core ukmg members could learn a thing or two from these workshops...hi hi.
I've thought about going, as all of my microwaving was a good few years ago now, but I'm put off by the 'Experienced people on the bands stay away so that newcomers can attend' advertisments and the suggestion that only people who have never used the bands will benefit.

So, I don't want to take up a place that someone else might benefit from and I don't want to go to be told that, as I've used a couple of bands in the past, that I wont be welcome.

Will the CD from the upcoming event in Telford be made more widely available, please? I would pay the P&P and costs of producing one, and it may bring me a bit more up to date without feeling that I'd taken a place that should have gone to someone else.

Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)


Re: G3JVL waveguide filters

Michael Scott
 

Paul
 
I made a slotted line for 2.4 Ghz using 2x4 aluminium box section which is a stock size and it worked well. You could probably use this for your filter, but as Andy says, it is big!.
 
I also made the interdigital filter for 2.3 GHz from the Microwave H/B, which was based on a design from VHF Communications from many years ago, and it worked very well when tested at Martlesham R/T two years ago. You would probably need to add a mm or so to the elements for 2.2GHz.
 
73, Mike, G3LYP.

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Subject: [ukmicrowaves] G3JVL waveguide filters

Hi all,

I'd like to pick the collective 'brain' on waveguide filters. I want to
build a filter for 2.2 GHz, a three or four cavity version, but I'm not
sure how you achieve the correct coupling into the cavity. Since I want
to use SMA in and out, how does one go about optimising the length of
the probe into the cavity? I made one for 8.4GHz, and whilst it worked
very well, the ripple was a bit high, perhaps due to over coupling or
something...

Any useful pointers would be appreciated.

thanks!

Paul M0EYT


Re: microwave workshops

JOHN RANDALL <m0els@...>
 

I think the capture area should shoulbe be enlarged as much as possible, within budget etc.
If an arc wants to hold  a microwave workshop, but does not have the skills to put on speakers, then those of us who have some knowledge can step in and cover that meeting.
 
Its all good and well hosing workshops in major centres.....or major concentration of supporters, but we need to inplement a similar strategy to the rsgb "travelling circus"........It does work and the results are impressive.
 
Many people dont have transport in the London area and train travelling nowdays is not an option.
 
73
John

Geoff Blake wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 regwoolley@aol.com wrote:

> I know some travelled from around here to Sheffield to attend a workshop.
> Surely thats about the same as deepest kent to deepest Ipswich? Or do some need
> to be spoon fed? Reg G8VHI

Reg, You have to bear in mind that some of those from the
South-East are in the deep mire when they get north of the 51st
parallel. Outside the M25 and they are really lost.

Of course, the available dates can be a problem - like Martlesham
falling on a 'family occasion' weekend. I have managed to escape
only one day over the past four years.

Geoff
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Geoff Blake <geoff@...>
 

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 regwoolley@aol.com wrote:

I know some travelled from around here to Sheffield to attend a workshop.
Surely thats about the same as deepest kent to deepest Ipswich? Or do some need
to be spoon fed? Reg G8VHI
Reg, You have to bear in mind that some of those from the
South-East are in the deep mire when they get north of the 51st
parallel. Outside the M25 and they are really lost.

Of course, the available dates can be a problem - like Martlesham
falling on a 'family occasion' weekend. I have managed to escape
only one day over the past four years.

Geoff
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