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Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

Robin Szemeti - G1YFG
 

Regardless of the exact wording of the legislation or guidance, the spirit and overall intention is clear.  

I would also suggest that since the contest committee have been handed the poison chalice of negotiating their way through this minefield and balancing what is legal with what is sensible and what is going to appear responsible ... that we support them in their decisions. I would not want to be the one doing this particular job, as I should imagine whatever they decide, a good number of people will be unhappy with the decision for some reason. 

For that reason alone, I think the right thing to do is to simply support the decision.   I have no problem with robust discussion prior to the ruling, but I think if we are going to ask people to volunteer and run a committee, then we have to offer them our full support in their efforts.


On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 at 15:50, alwyn.seeds1 <a.seeds@...> wrote:
Dear Robin,

Actually, the legislation (SI 2020 No. 1200) does not include the wording you quote.

I think you are referring to the non-statutory guidance, which changes frequently without Parliamentary scrutiny or approval.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH

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SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
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Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

alwyn.seeds1
 

Dear Robin,

Actually, the legislation (SI 2020 No. 1200) does not include the wording you quote.

I think you are referring to the non-statutory guidance, which changes frequently without Parliamentary scrutiny or approval.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH

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Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
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Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

Robin Szemeti - G1YFG
 

While I am certain it would be safe and almost certainly legal to operate /P I cannot disagree the contest committee wanting to abide by the spirit of the legislation, which begins with, in big letters "Stay At Home"


On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 at 11:13, Gordon REASON via groups.io <gordonj.reason=virgin.net@groups.io> wrote:

I say , sanitise well , do'nt forgit the morse key ...... go out , amd as your on your own , you are'nt going to infect anyone else , so best get out there , and breath some freshmountain air , and enjoy,  be happy , it the best thing for good mental health ! , along with communicating .................

On 07 November 2020 at 10:27 "alwyn.seeds1" <a.seeds@...> wrote:

Dear John,

I would have thought /P operation involved setting up and moving aerials together with other outside car activities?

It is a well established principle of English law that you can do what you like provided it is not prohibited by legislation.

From what I read on the contest reflector different UK police forces are interpreting the SI differently, so it would take a test case to clarify the matter.
I do, however, recall from the previous lockdown a person of limited mobility seeking clarification as to whether it was permissible to drive to a beauty spot and admire the view from his car- the answer was yes.

UKuG is, of course, free to apply whatever restrictions it chooses on the classes of stations that may enter its contests and that you have done.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH

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Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
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Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

Gordon REASON <gordonj.reason@...>
 

I say , sanitise well , do'nt forgit the morse key ...... go out , amd as your on your own , you are'nt going to infect anyone else , so best get out there , and breath some freshmountain air , and enjoy,  be happy , it the best thing for good mental health ! , along with communicating .................

On 07 November 2020 at 10:27 "alwyn.seeds1" <a.seeds@...> wrote:

Dear John,

I would have thought /P operation involved setting up and moving aerials together with other outside car activities?

It is a well established principle of English law that you can do what you like provided it is not prohibited by legislation.

From what I read on the contest reflector different UK police forces are interpreting the SI differently, so it would take a test case to clarify the matter.
I do, however, recall from the previous lockdown a person of limited mobility seeking clarification as to whether it was permissible to drive to a beauty spot and admire the view from his car- the answer was yes.

UKuG is, of course, free to apply whatever restrictions it chooses on the classes of stations that may enter its contests and that you have done.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH

_____________________________________________________

Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
_____________________________________________________


 


 


Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

alwyn.seeds1
 

Dear John,

I would have thought /P operation involved setting up and moving aerials together with other outside car activities?

It is a well established principle of English law that you can do what you like provided it is not prohibited by legislation.

From what I read on the contest reflector different UK police forces are interpreting the SI differently, so it would take a test case to clarify the matter.
I do, however, recall from the previous lockdown a person of limited mobility seeking clarification as to whether it was permissible to drive to a beauty spot and admire the view from his car- the answer was yes.

UKuG is, of course, free to apply whatever restrictions it chooses on the classes of stations that may enter its contests and that you have done.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH

_____________________________________________________

Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
_____________________________________________________


Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

Colin Ranson
 

Andy,

 

Even during the previous lockdown the missus and I used the car to get to our walks, even today and yesterday the same. I think its all getting petty, pedantic and silly.

 

As it happens the traffic in Ipswich was just as heavy today and yesterday as it has been previous.  Lock-down ? what lock-down?  Except for pubs, clubs etc everywhere is still open.

 

As long as people are sensible I don’t see a problem

 

Regards

 

Colin.

 

 

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From: Andy G4JNT
Sent: 06 November 2020 21:03
To: UK Microwaves groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

 

From the BBC website :

"Exercise

  • You can take outdoor exercise on your own, or with members of your household or support bubble, or with one other person from outside your household
  • As long as you follow the rules above, you can exercise outside as much as you want

Who's to say what constitutes "exercise" ?

 

 

 

 

On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 19:30, militaryoperator via groups.io <Military1944=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I too will not be participating in this contest. I see no point in warming up the local hillside on transmit from home. I operated /P during the last lockdown, and also got some abuse for doing so. When operating/P I am not in a sealed car. If I was the feeders would be severed and I would not be able to manually turn the aerials.

Ed, G3VPF IO80RQ-

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Surely Ed if you were in a sealed car you'd have trouble breathing?

 

So long as any other car there was 2Mtrs away from you you should be ok. 

 

Ben. 

 


Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

Andy G4JNT
 

From the BBC website :
"Exercise
  • You can take outdoor exercise on your own, or with members of your household or support bubble, or with one other person from outside your household
  • As long as you follow the rules above, you can exercise outside as much as you want
Who's to say what constitutes "exercise" ?




On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 19:30, militaryoperator via groups.io <Military1944=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I too will not be participating in this contest. I see no point in warming up the local hillside on transmit from home. I operated /P during the last lockdown, and also got some abuse for doing so. When operating/P I am not in a sealed car. If I was the feeders would be severed and I would not be able to manually turn the aerials.
Ed, G3VPF IO80RQ-
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Surely Ed if you were in a sealed car you'd have trouble breathing?

So long as any other car there was 2Mtrs away from you you should be ok. 

Ben. 


tropo on 3cm

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Astonishingly loud 10 GHz signals into IO93NR from DB0MU, ON0VHF, ON0EME and the PA beacons right now. DB0MU is still 50dB over noise when I beam at the reflection off Drax powerstation chimney.

No humans about of course...

http://www.g4dbn.uk/?p=1600 <http://www.g4dbn.uk/?p=1600>

Neil G4DBN


Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

militaryoperator
 

I too will not be participating in this contest. I see no point in warming up the local hillside on transmit from home. I operated /P during the last lockdown, and also got some abuse for doing so. When operating/P I am not in a sealed car. If I was the feeders would be severed and I would not be able to manually turn the aerials.
Ed, G3VPF IO80RQ-
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Surely Ed if you were in a sealed car you'd have trouble breathing?

So long as any other car there was 2Mtrs away from you you should be ok. 

Ben. 


Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

Ed G3VPF
 

I too will not be participating in this contest. I see no point in warming up the local hillside on transmit from home. I operated /P during the last lockdown, and also got some abuse for doing so. When operating/P I am not in a sealed car. If I was the feeders would be severed and I would not be able to manually turn the aerials.

Ed, G3VPF IO80RQ


From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io> on behalf of G0FVI via groups.io <Andrew.gilfillan@...>
Sent: 06 November 2020 18:53
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020
 
Some interesting comments on /P operation (and on vhf/uhf contesting FB too). Personally i wont be going out /P, as at both my /P locations there has been interest from police this year (one is near an RAF base close to a dogging site the other in a country lane that appears to have raised suspicions from nearby houses). I'm guessing if you get approached by police during lockdown they are not going to be massively interested in the various interpretations popping up as to /P amateur radio being a legitimate outdoor activity. You might find yourself with a fine and generate some very bad publicity for the hobby. Im one of those with a very poor vhf/uhf/shf location so fall into the 'miffed' category (i've just finished putting my first terrastrial 13cm portable station together too) but won't be going out portable for the reasons given.

Andy 


Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

G0FVI
 

Some interesting comments on /P operation (and on vhf/uhf contesting FB too). Personally i wont be going out /P, as at both my /P locations there has been interest from police this year (one is near an RAF base close to a dogging site the other in a country lane that appears to have raised suspicions from nearby houses). I'm guessing if you get approached by police during lockdown they are not going to be massively interested in the various interpretations popping up as to /P amateur radio being a legitimate outdoor activity. You might find yourself with a fine and generate some very bad publicity for the hobby. Im one of those with a very poor vhf/uhf/shf location so fall into the 'miffed' category (i've just finished putting my first terrastrial 13cm portable station together too) but won't be going out portable for the reasons given.

Andy 


Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

Andy G4JNT
 

Well, this time Boris isn't even trying to stop you.



On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 18:07, steve turner <steveturner249@...> wrote:
Andy
I tried to support the microwave contest during last lockdown, by putting check log, boy did i get some private messages giving me grief for travelling 10 minutes from home QTH 
Steve 
G1PPA 


On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 17:47, Andy G4JNT
You can operate /P.  You just can't put in an entry.
Depends if you feel competitive, or just want to work people



On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 17:41, steve G1PPA via groups.io <steveturner249=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi John 
Just bought 13cm but will unfortunately will have to miss this contest, I cannot operate from home on any microwave band, good luck to all taking part
Steve 
G1PPA 



Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

steve G1PPA
 

Andy
I tried to support the microwave contest during last lockdown, by putting check log, boy did i get some private messages giving me grief for travelling 10 minutes from home QTH 
Steve 
G1PPA 


On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 17:47, Andy G4JNT
<andy.g4jnt@...> wrote:
You can operate /P.  You just can't put in an entry.
Depends if you feel competitive, or just want to work people



On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 17:41, steve G1PPA via groups.io <steveturner249=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi John 
Just bought 13cm but will unfortunately will have to miss this contest, I cannot operate from home on any microwave band, good luck to all taking part
Steve 
G1PPA 



Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

Andy G4JNT
 

You can operate /P.  You just can't put in an entry.
Depends if you feel competitive, or just want to work people



On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 17:41, steve G1PPA via groups.io <steveturner249=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi John 
Just bought 13cm but will unfortunately will have to miss this contest, I cannot operate from home on any microwave band, good luck to all taking part
Steve 
G1PPA 


Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

steve G1PPA
 

Hi John 
Just bought 13cm but will unfortunately will have to miss this contest, I cannot operate from home on any microwave band, good luck to all taking part
Steve 
G1PPA 


Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

John Quarmby
 

Hi Alwyn

Both of these examples are in the open air, where recreation is permitted. Most portable operation at this time of year is in cars or other enclosed environments.

The guidance indicates that travel other than for essential purposes should be avoided, in my view taking part in amateur radio contests when it is possible to enter from a fixed location would not qualify as essential travel.

I do not think that UKuG should encourage operation which could be seen by the authorities as not within the the current covid-19 rules.

73

John G3XDY

On 06/11/2020 15:39, alwyn.seeds1 wrote:
Dear John,

I note that the government has, today, issued revised guidance for metal detectorists to apply during England’s lock-down.

If the government has no objection to fishing and metal detecting going on during lockdown, to say nothing of horse riding, I really cannot see why the government would object to /P operation.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH
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Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
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Re: Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

alwyn.seeds1
 

Dear John,

I note that the government has, today, issued revised guidance for metal detectorists to apply during England’s lock-down.

If the government has no objection to fishing and metal detecting going on during lockdown, to say nothing of horse riding, I really cannot see why the government would object to /P operation.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH
_____________________________________________________

Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
_____________________________________________________


Limitation of Portable Operation in the UKuG Low Band Contest 15th November 2020

John Quarmby
 

The UK Microwave Group will suspend acceptance of contest entries from portable stations in England until 2nd December. Multi-operator entries remain off-limits until further notice.

Single Operator Fixed Station operation is encouraged.

The last UKuG Contest this year is the Low Band event on 1296, 2300, 2320, and 3400MHz which will take place on Sunday 15th November 2020 from 1000 - 1400gmt.

Please follow the latest government guidance and keep safe.

73

John G3XDY
UKuG Contest Manager


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Re: SG-Labs,

Colin Ranson
 

Hi Andy,

 

He’s a busy chappie !  I think its a small company and construction of items is subied out, they do non-amateur stuff as well I believe.   I was only getting concerned as all my previous order queries were answered in a very short time.   All’s done now, turn round is 3-4 weeks now due to demand, in fact a local, unbeknown to me, ordered a 3.4GHz unit on or about the same day.

 

I think he has done more to promote serious 23cm activity, let alone the higher bands, even before the 9700 came along.

 

Take care, 73’s

 

Colin G8LBS Ipswich.   

 

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From: Andy GD1MIP
Sent: 06 November 2020 09:33
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] SG-Labs,

 

Colin,  I ordered two of their items in August 2020.  I had to exchange several emails during the whole process, Looking back I found that some emails received a response within an hour whereas some took four days. Allowing for time zone differences and working hours I came to the conclusion that the company is a one man band. Everything arrived within the promised time frame in a tracked parcel. Build quality seems good, the instructions needed reading twice as they were obviously translated into English from Hristiyan's first language with the usual errors.

Andy GD1MIP

 


Re: SG-Labs,

Andy GD1MIP
 

Colin,  I ordered two of their items in August 2020.  I had to exchange several emails during the whole process, Looking back I found that some emails received a response within an hour whereas some took four days. Allowing for time zone differences and working hours I came to the conclusion that the company is a one man band. Everything arrived within the promised time frame in a tracked parcel. Build quality seems good, the instructions needed reading twice as they were obviously translated into English from Hristiyan's first language with the usual errors.

Andy GD1MIP

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