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10Ghz test

militaryoperator
 

Just tried my Kuhne 3Cm and its small feed horn on its own, 40ft up and receiving the Leicester beacon about 53/54, odd though, checking QRZ to get a distance the quoted figure and direction seems different to where I put it. 

G3VKV also sent me a signal at a nice 58 so things bode well.

Anyway, next step is to add my relay and bits and I'll see where the tx can get to.

Should have a bigger horn soon so should prove interesting to try.

Ben G4BXD


Ofcom EM Fields

Julian, G3YGF
 

This affects all of us, as Ofcom is proposing to change the licence conditions relating to EM Fields.

RSGB has published its response to the Ofcom EM Fields consultation, and there is a template for individual responses...

It would be good to have as many individual inputs as possible...
Could people have a look at the template and send one in for themselves?

https://rsgb.org/main/technical/emc/emf-exposure/

Responses have to be in by next friday, 12th June, so do it early this week to be sure of the deadline.

Julian, G3YGF


Ofcom EM Fields

Julian, G3YGF
 

This affects all of us, as Ofcom is proposing to change the licence conditions relating to EM Fields.

RSGB has published its response to the Ofcom EM Fields consultation, and there is a template for individual responses...

It would be good to have as many individual inputs as possible...
Could people have a look at the template and send one in for themselves?

https://rsgb.org/main/technical/emc/emf-exposure/

Responses have to be in by next friday, 12th June, so do it early this week to be sure of the deadline.

J


Re: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

I use banking and payment and purchase-enabled apps on my phone without any qualms, but then I never install games or anything other than well-verified apps, and don't visit dodgy sites on the phone. 

However, what do I know? I'm so trusting that I even use a fingerprint authorisation on my banking app.  All someone needs is my phone and finger, and they can go wild with the £137.90 in my pocket-money account. It's all about what your risk appetite is, the threat landscape, who the threat actors are and what attack vectors are available to them.

Neil G4DBN

(Cybersecurity CTO, keeping government systems, billion-pound payment services and multinational corporate client systems safe so I can use my wages to "invest" in radio/machining stuff, dog treats and other money-pits)

On 06/06/2020 13:37, Andy G4JNT wrote:
Having your mobile phone stolen with the banking app on it is no worse than having a credit card stolen (with the three-digit printed number on the back now known to them).  
I haven't studied the Lloyds banking app in much detail as I have no need to use it, just downloaded it when the bank said it was available. For payments a contactless card is quicker than getting the phone out and entering the PIN.
I don't even use the fingerprint ID option on the iPhone, a 6 digit PIN is scure enough, when it is permanently locked after ten incorrect attempts.

PINs, even short ones, are a surprisingly good security feature so long as delays are increased after a 'few' wrong attempts.   And, of course, the algorithms used to hold them use proper cryptographic techniques.
 


On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 12:39, John Worsnop <johnworsnop@...> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback folks. Many  have suggested I get up to date and use the cheque scanning App that Lloyds provide with their phone banking App  ;-) so I have downloaded it to my personal phone now and used it with a cheque I just got. Seemed to work once I got used to it. So I propose to use it on a trial basis for a while. 

I should point out, for avoidance of doubt, that, while my phone is password and face-recognition protected, nor are the login details stored on my phone, if my phone gets stolen and UKuG bank details are used to steal your money I will NOT be held personally responsible for refunding it.

I personally do not use mobile banking apps for this very reason due to the physical vulnerability of a handheld device.

If members, or your Committee are unhappy with this I would suggest we either return to the status quo, or use club funds to buy a Smartphone and a PAYG contract purely for this application, as I will not be held liable in any way for the loss of Club funds accessed from data on my personal stolen phone.

73

John       
 

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 08:18, Martyn G3UKV <ukv@...> wrote:
Hi John
I support the BATC view (below), echoed by quite a few others posted to date. [be inclusive]
73 Martyn G3UKV


On 05/06/2020 14:16, Noel G8GTZ wrote:

FYI – BATC went through this a couple of years ago when we installed our new web shop and membership system.

 

Personally I was against keeping the cheque facility but was persuaded otherwise on the basis that it excludes a small but important group of people and it is important to make the hobby as inclusive as possible.

 

As a result BATC does still take cheques and as a result of COVID we found that you can post cheques to your branch along with a paying in slip – an easy and not time consuming process which we consider worthwhile for a few members who feel more comfortable doing this rather than on-line transactions.

 

Noel

 

From: UKuG-Committee@groups.io [mailto:UKuG-Committee@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Worsnop
Sent: 05 June 2020 11:52
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io; UKuG-Committee@groups.io
Subject: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

 

Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

 

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

 

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

 

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

 

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

 

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

 

73

John G4BAO

UKuG Treasurer

 

  



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Re: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Adrian G4UVZ
 

HBOS, Lloyds..and maybe others now support depositing of cheques by using their Ap  just take a picture of the front and rear of the cheque enter the amount and the job is done!


Re: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Andy G4JNT
 

Having your mobile phone stolen with the banking app on it is no worse than having a credit card stolen (with the three-digit printed number on the back now known to them).  
I haven't studied the Lloyds banking app in much detail as I have no need to use it, just downloaded it when the bank said it was available. For payments a contactless card is quicker than getting the phone out and entering the PIN.
I don't even use the fingerprint ID option on the iPhone, a 6 digit PIN is scure enough, when it is permanently locked after ten incorrect attempts.

PINs, even short ones, are a surprisingly good security feature so long as delays are increased after a 'few' wrong attempts.   And, of course, the algorithms used to hold them use proper cryptographic techniques.
 


On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 12:39, John Worsnop <johnworsnop@...> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback folks. Many  have suggested I get up to date and use the cheque scanning App that Lloyds provide with their phone banking App  ;-) so I have downloaded it to my personal phone now and used it with a cheque I just got. Seemed to work once I got used to it. So I propose to use it on a trial basis for a while. 

I should point out, for avoidance of doubt, that, while my phone is password and face-recognition protected, nor are the login details stored on my phone, if my phone gets stolen and UKuG bank details are used to steal your money I will NOT be held personally responsible for refunding it.

I personally do not use mobile banking apps for this very reason due to the physical vulnerability of a handheld device.

If members, or your Committee are unhappy with this I would suggest we either return to the status quo, or use club funds to buy a Smartphone and a PAYG contract purely for this application, as I will not be held liable in any way for the loss of Club funds accessed from data on my personal stolen phone.

73

John       
 

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 08:18, Martyn G3UKV <ukv@...> wrote:
Hi John
I support the BATC view (below), echoed by quite a few others posted to date. [be inclusive]
73 Martyn G3UKV


On 05/06/2020 14:16, Noel G8GTZ wrote:

FYI – BATC went through this a couple of years ago when we installed our new web shop and membership system.

 

Personally I was against keeping the cheque facility but was persuaded otherwise on the basis that it excludes a small but important group of people and it is important to make the hobby as inclusive as possible.

 

As a result BATC does still take cheques and as a result of COVID we found that you can post cheques to your branch along with a paying in slip – an easy and not time consuming process which we consider worthwhile for a few members who feel more comfortable doing this rather than on-line transactions.

 

Noel

 

From: UKuG-Committee@groups.io [mailto:UKuG-Committee@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Worsnop
Sent: 05 June 2020 11:52
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io; UKuG-Committee@groups.io
Subject: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

 

Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

 

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

 

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

 

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

 

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

 

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

 

73

John G4BAO

UKuG Treasurer

 

  



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Re: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Bob_G1ZJP
 

........  or open a “subscriptions” account ~ purely for subscriptions and then transfer that account periodically. 

 

Personal opinion – all internet business activity carries risk, how much and how risky??  Not for everyone.

 

Bob, G1ZJP

 

 

 

 

From: John Worsnop
Sent: 06 June 2020 12:39
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io; UKuG-Committee@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

 

Thanks for the feedback folks. Many  have suggested I get up to date and use the cheque scanning App that Lloyds provide with their phone banking App  ;-) so I have downloaded it to my personal phone now and used it with a cheque I just got. Seemed to work once I got used to it. So I propose to use it on a trial basis for a while. 

 

I should point out, for avoidance of doubt, that, while my phone is password and face-recognition protected, nor are the login details stored on my phone, if my phone gets stolen and UKuG bank details are used to steal your money I will NOT be held personally responsible for refunding it.

 

I personally do not use mobile banking apps for this very reason due to the physical vulnerability of a handheld device.

 

If members, or your Committee are unhappy with this I would suggest we either return to the status quo, or use club funds to buy a Smartphone and a PAYG contract purely for this application, as I will not be held liable in any way for the loss of Club funds accessed from data on my personal stolen phone.

 

73

 

John       

 

 

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 08:18, Martyn G3UKV <ukv@...> wrote:

Hi John
I support the BATC view (below), echoed by quite a few others posted to date. [be inclusive]
73 Martyn G3UKV

On 05/06/2020 14:16, Noel G8GTZ wrote:

FYI – BATC went through this a couple of years ago when we installed our new web shop and membership system.

 

Personally I was against keeping the cheque facility but was persuaded otherwise on the basis that it excludes a small but important group of people and it is important to make the hobby as inclusive as possible.

 

As a result BATC does still take cheques and as a result of COVID we found that you can post cheques to your branch along with a paying in slip – an easy and not time consuming process which we consider worthwhile for a few members who feel more comfortable doing this rather than on-line transactions.

 

Noel

 

From: UKuG-Committee@groups.io [mailto:UKuG-Committee@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Worsnop
Sent: 05 June 2020 11:52
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io; UKuG-Committee@groups.io
Subject: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

 

Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

 

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

 

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

 

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

 

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

 

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

 

73

John G4BAO

UKuG Treasurer

 

  

 

 

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Re: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

John Worsnop
 

Thanks for the feedback folks. Many  have suggested I get up to date and use the cheque scanning App that Lloyds provide with their phone banking App  ;-) so I have downloaded it to my personal phone now and used it with a cheque I just got. Seemed to work once I got used to it. So I propose to use it on a trial basis for a while. 

I should point out, for avoidance of doubt, that, while my phone is password and face-recognition protected, nor are the login details stored on my phone, if my phone gets stolen and UKuG bank details are used to steal your money I will NOT be held personally responsible for refunding it.

I personally do not use mobile banking apps for this very reason due to the physical vulnerability of a handheld device.

If members, or your Committee are unhappy with this I would suggest we either return to the status quo, or use club funds to buy a Smartphone and a PAYG contract purely for this application, as I will not be held liable in any way for the loss of Club funds accessed from data on my personal stolen phone.

73

John       
 

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 08:18, Martyn G3UKV <ukv@...> wrote:
Hi John
I support the BATC view (below), echoed by quite a few others posted to date. [be inclusive]
73 Martyn G3UKV


On 05/06/2020 14:16, Noel G8GTZ wrote:

FYI – BATC went through this a couple of years ago when we installed our new web shop and membership system.

 

Personally I was against keeping the cheque facility but was persuaded otherwise on the basis that it excludes a small but important group of people and it is important to make the hobby as inclusive as possible.

 

As a result BATC does still take cheques and as a result of COVID we found that you can post cheques to your branch along with a paying in slip – an easy and not time consuming process which we consider worthwhile for a few members who feel more comfortable doing this rather than on-line transactions.

 

Noel

 

From: UKuG-Committee@groups.io [mailto:UKuG-Committee@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Worsnop
Sent: 05 June 2020 11:52
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io; UKuG-Committee@groups.io
Subject: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

 

Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

 

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

 

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

 

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

 

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

 

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

 

73

John G4BAO

UKuG Treasurer

 

  



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Activity List for the UK Microwave Group Low Band Contest Sunday 7th June

John Quarmby
 

The UKuG Low Band Contest takes place tomorrow, 7th June, from 1000-1600 GMT (1100-1700 BST), on the 1296,2300,2320, and 3400MHz bands.

Rules are here: https://microwave.rsgbcc.org/cgi-bin/contest_rules.pl?year=2020&contest=lb_contest

Thanks for your inputs for the activity list, it looks like a good number of stations will be active.

Callsign : G8DOH
Locator: IO92FA
Bands: 1296MHz 8/ 100W 2 x 23el- beaming East only
Talkback: Direct CQ on 1296MHz or via ON4KST
Times: Various throughout

Callsign : G4BXD
Locator:   IO82UJ
Bands:    1296MHz  20W  16el
                2320MHz 20W  40ele
                3400MHz   2W  HORN
Talkback: Direct CQ on 1296MHz or via ON4KST
Times: Various throughout

Callsign : GM8IEM
Locator: IO78HF
Bands: 1296MHz 180W 67 el
              2300/2320MHz 80W 67 el
Talkback: via ON4KST, though I might try the occasional S&P and CQ on 23cm if conditions are up.
Times: Various throughout

Call: G4ZTR
Locator: JO01KW
Bands: 1296MHz, 300w, 2m dish
    2320MHz, 50w, 2m dish
Talkback: ON4KST and direct CQ on 1296.
Times: throughout.

Callsign : GM4BYF
Locator: IO85JV
Bands: 1296MHz 100W > 55 ele
             2300/2320MHz 100W 1.2m dish or 67 ele if winds too strong
              3400MHz 30W 1.2m dish - or feedhorn if dish can't be deployed (work needed to ensure it is fully operational)
Talkback: Direct CQ on 1296MHz, ON4KST or Zello

Callsign : G4SJH/P
Locator: IO91GI
Bands:   2300/2320MHz 60W 0.9m mesh dish
Talkback: Direct CQ,  ON4KST, 2m.
Times: Various throughout

Callsign : G1EHF/P
Locator: IO91GI
Bands: 1296MHz 15W 26el
             3400MHz 15W 1.1m dish
Talkback: Direct CQ on 1296MHz or via ON4KST
Times: 10am BST onwards

Call: GM4DIJ
Locator: IO85IW66
Bands: 1296MHz, 20w, 30 ele Yagi
       2320MHz, 20w, 50 ele Yagi
       3400MHz  2W,   35cm dish
Talkback: ON4KST and direct CQ on 1296.
Times: 3.4GHz throughout but  probably not before 11am local time
       23cm and 13cm require an antenna swap to suit local activity, again after 11am local time.

Call: G7LRQ
Locator: IO91tq
Bands: 1296MHz, 200w, 1.9m Dish
    2320MHz, 40w, 1.9m Dish
Talkback: ON4KST and direct CQ on 1296

Callsign : G3UKV
Locator: IO82RR
Bands: 1296MHz 80W, 35 ele
             2320MHz 55W 90cm dish
              3400MHz 15W 90cm dish
Talkback:  ON4KST & Direct
Times: Various. 9cm last hour or so.

Callsign      G4JNT
Loc.           IO90IV58
Band         3400MHz 8W  15dBi Horn
Talkback    KST and phone 01489 787424


Callsign: G3TCU
Locator: IO91QE
Bands: 1296MHz 250W 44 ele
Talkback: Direct CQ, ON4KST
Times: Various throughout, on KST when in the shack.

Callsign : G3TCT
Locator: IO81QC
Bands: 1296MHz 150W > 44 ele
Talkback: Direct CQ on 1296MHz or ON4KST
Duration: most of the time

Callsign : GU6EFB
Locator: JO02OB
Bands: 1296MHz 400W 35 Ele
Talkback: via ON4KST
Times: Various throughout

Callsign : G3XDY
Locator: JO02OB
Bands: 1296MHz 400W 4x 23el
             2300/2320MHz 200W 0.8m dish
              3400MHz 20W 0.8m dish
Talkback: Direct CQ on 1296MHz or via ON4KST
Times: Various throughout

Good luck to all taking part.

73

John G3XDY


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Re: UK Microwave Group 24/47/76/122/134/248GHz contest - June 21st

Noel G8GTZ
 

Hi John,

Understand your position but perhaps we could hold an informal mm-wave activity day on the 21st June and the proper contest in September. 

I'm sure that the majority of  mm-wave operators subscribe to the view that, as it was so eloguently put on here just recently, "it isn't the winning, nor even the taking part, it's all the buggering about that really matters"!

I would for one, would be very happy to go out on the 21st and join the "#pensioners on hill tops" brigade....

73
Noel - G8GTZ


Re: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Martyn G3UKV
 

Hi John
I support the BATC view (below), echoed by quite a few others posted to date. [be inclusive]
73 Martyn G3UKV


On 05/06/2020 14:16, Noel G8GTZ wrote:

FYI – BATC went through this a couple of years ago when we installed our new web shop and membership system.

 

Personally I was against keeping the cheque facility but was persuaded otherwise on the basis that it excludes a small but important group of people and it is important to make the hobby as inclusive as possible.

 

As a result BATC does still take cheques and as a result of COVID we found that you can post cheques to your branch along with a paying in slip – an easy and not time consuming process which we consider worthwhile for a few members who feel more comfortable doing this rather than on-line transactions.

 

Noel

 

From: UKuG-Committee@groups.io [mailto:UKuG-Committee@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Worsnop
Sent: 05 June 2020 11:52
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io; UKuG-Committee@groups.io
Subject: [UKuG-Committee] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

 

Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

 

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

 

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

 

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

 

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

 

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

 

73

John G4BAO

UKuG Treasurer

 

  



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UK Microwave Group 24/47/76/122/134/248GHz contest - June 21st

John Quarmby
 

The UKuG all mm-wave band contest is scheduled for Sunday 21st June, but there is little sign of alignment between lockdown regulations pertaining to portable operation, so I propose to move this event to Sunday September 13th, and cancel the June event. There will therefore just be three mm-wave events in the calendar for this year, in July, September and October.

I understand that the 122GHz boards ordered by several stations will be distributed imminently so this gives more time for them to be integrated into complete systems and tested before the September event.

I'm happy to consider further views from the mm-wave community on this course before formalising the change.

73

John G3XDY
UKuG Contest Manager


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Re: UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Robin Szemeti - G1YFG
 

One further thought ... I do a bit of sailing, and am a member of one club simply because they collect the money each year by PayPal subscription and I keep forgetting to cancel ... they have a large and thriving membership, although I no longer own a boat of the class, and haven't done so for ages ....  The boat I do currently have, I am not a member of the class association, as they (bizarrely) only accept cheques ... and I did manage to join for a couple of years, but not recently. They always seem to be moaning about money ...

I would encourage you to look at the subscription service, not just the standard PayPal payments ... as it is automatic and collects every year and removes a lot of the workload.


On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 20:40, PAUL NICKALLS via groups.io <paulnick=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
It is very easy for us youngsters in our 70s to be intolerant of the old uns. I think the cheque facility needs to be retained but discouraged.  I think people have highlighted solutions to John's trips to the bank.

A car club of which I am a director publishes the bank details in the monthly newsletter.  In our case it will just be necessary to ask people to include their callsign and name in the reference field.

73 Paul G8AQA

On 05/06/2020 18:19, Ron wrote:
Hi John,

It is difficult.

I'm membership sec. and a trustee of a small charity. We have had this debate for the past 4 years and, so far, I've been able to keep cheques rolling in. This is only because I'm the one dealing with them.

Progress is great but some of our aged members (aged to me and I'm 65) have only just dispensed with the quill and have not yet met the biro. These members do not have computers - one is proud that he doesn't have a tv - and all communication is longhand on paper. What the charity loses in the postage costs is more than made up by the savings on the PayPal fee.

The only reason I am against my charity ceasing to accept cheques is because it will alienate/disenfranchise those older members. They hold an enormous amount of knowledge in this particular field and sadly they are a reducing number. When the last one - only 4 left - pops her/his clogs2 then we will cease to accept cheques if the banks don't beat us to it.

I'm fortunate that while my nearest bank is a 5 minute drive away, the local post office is 200 yards.

Personally I write one cheque a year for my trout fishing subs and that cheque book is 11 years old.

Whichever way you go, good luck.

Ron, G6BMY 



On 05/06/2020 11:51, John Worsnop wrote:
Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

73
John G4BAO
UKuG Treasurer

  


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Re: UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Paul G8AQA
 

It is very easy for us youngsters in our 70s to be intolerant of the old uns. I think the cheque facility needs to be retained but discouraged.  I think people have highlighted solutions to John's trips to the bank.

A car club of which I am a director publishes the bank details in the monthly newsletter.  In our case it will just be necessary to ask people to include their callsign and name in the reference field.

73 Paul G8AQA

On 05/06/2020 18:19, Ron wrote:
Hi John,

It is difficult.

I'm membership sec. and a trustee of a small charity. We have had this debate for the past 4 years and, so far, I've been able to keep cheques rolling in. This is only because I'm the one dealing with them.

Progress is great but some of our aged members (aged to me and I'm 65) have only just dispensed with the quill and have not yet met the biro. These members do not have computers - one is proud that he doesn't have a tv - and all communication is longhand on paper. What the charity loses in the postage costs is more than made up by the savings on the PayPal fee.

The only reason I am against my charity ceasing to accept cheques is because it will alienate/disenfranchise those older members. They hold an enormous amount of knowledge in this particular field and sadly they are a reducing number. When the last one - only 4 left - pops her/his clogs2 then we will cease to accept cheques if the banks don't beat us to it.

I'm fortunate that while my nearest bank is a 5 minute drive away, the local post office is 200 yards.

Personally I write one cheque a year for my trout fishing subs and that cheque book is 11 years old.

Whichever way you go, good luck.

Ron, G6BMY 



On 05/06/2020 11:51, John Worsnop wrote:
Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

73
John G4BAO
UKuG Treasurer

  


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Re: UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Andy G4JNT
 

Just had to search PayPal to see when mine falls due.  Just discovered it's now.
Electronic Groats will arrive in a few micro-Aeons



On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 11:52, John Worsnop <johnworsnop@...> wrote:
Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

73
John G4BAO
UKuG Treasurer

  


Re: UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Ron
 

Hi John,

It is difficult.

I'm membership sec. and a trustee of a small charity. We have had this debate for the past 4 years and, so far, I've been able to keep cheques rolling in. This is only because I'm the one dealing with them.

Progress is great but some of our aged members (aged to me and I'm 65) have only just dispensed with the quill and have not yet met the biro. These members do not have computers - one is proud that he doesn't have a tv - and all communication is longhand on paper. What the charity loses in the postage costs is more than made up by the savings on the PayPal fee.

The only reason I am against my charity ceasing to accept cheques is because it will alienate/disenfranchise those older members. They hold an enormous amount of knowledge in this particular field and sadly they are a reducing number. When the last one - only 4 left - pops her/his clogs2 then we will cease to accept cheques if the banks don't beat us to it.

I'm fortunate that while my nearest bank is a 5 minute drive away, the local post office is 200 yards.

Personally I write one cheque a year for my trout fishing subs and that cheque book is 11 years old.

Whichever way you go, good luck.

Ron, G6BMY 



On 05/06/2020 11:51, John Worsnop wrote:
Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

73
John G4BAO
UKuG Treasurer

  


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Re: 10Ghz test

militaryoperator
 

OK Robin, let me know when your beacon is on, I'm ready to test rx at least.

Ben G4BXD


-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Szemeti - G1YFG <>
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:45
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] Getting indication of rf

Let me know if you want a signal on 3cm to test with, I have a 50mw personal beacon and a horn I can point your way and leave on for a day or two, on roughly 10,368.690  ... it has a keyer that sometimes even works ... 

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Re: I want to document some RF techniques, help please

geoffrey pike
 

Hi Alan,
When i made the cavities for out 50 MHz repeater i found some info here

The fun and pain i had making these and that was before VNAs with simultaneous S11 and S21 existed for amateur prices.
Good luck.
Geoff
GI0GDP

On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 23:23:57 BST, Alan Beard <beardal@...> wrote:


Thanks Robin,

The w6nbc-duplexer-book/ch3 to 9.html pages are good general information 
and the tuning YouTube video is good for tuning.

However, when your small club wants a 6m repeater and you are presented
with four 75MHz six inch cavities with one side entry port on each, how do you proceed?

First, you'd like to find ALL coupling techniques possible.
John W6NBC does not mention in two port cavities, capacitive coupling at the hot end.
In his BpBr diagrams, an L or C between the ports is mentioned to swap
the pass and notch. What about swapping the phase of one of the loops?

How about the RxTx Vari-Notch, a parallel L and C between two connectors?

I've provided a document in "Files" exploring as many as I know of the techniques,
I want any incite here please?
And here, a PICTURE speaks a THOUSAND words.
(or a detailed diagram)

Alan VK2ZIW
 

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:16:33 +0100, Robin Szemeti - G1YFG wrote
> Try this: http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/w6nbc-duplexer-book/ch3.html
>
> And a couple of good YouTube videos on the subject:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKw6-x4gFJI
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y1aMhCcxXY
>
> The problem may be that you are trying to achieve a narrower spacing than the notch is set up for, if you are trying to achieve a 1.6 MHz spacing from a setup deigned for a 5MHz spacing there may not be enough range on the trimmers to move the notch where you want it to be.   You will struggle to achieve 1.6MHz spacing on 2 cavities a side .. 3 is the minimum and 4 is better.
>

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Re: UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Chris G0WUS
 

Hi John and all

I disagree with cheques in this day and age however some may not. I stopped accepting cheques at work many years ago.

I did notice that my wife whos family members still insist on sending our young children cheques for presents (birthdays and xmas) pays hers in via the app on her phone she just has to photo them and they clear much faster.

Not sure if the group bank has that or not but in general if asked I would vote to not accept them but then again i am not armed with the info of how many people still use them to pay subs.

73

Chris G0WUS

On 05/06/2020 12:16, Stephen Tompsett wrote:

You can deposit cheques for any bank at a post office. The details do vary from bank to bank, you may need to get a (free) stock of special envelopes.

On 05/06/2020 11:51, John Worsnop wrote:
Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

73
John G4BAO
UKuG Treasurer

  
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Re: UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Andy G4JNT
 

A surcharge of some sort, anyway.
To cover John's petrol and car parking charges

As for pandering to people who merely "refuse to use that medium" that's their problem.
The rest of us all use internet banking now - live with it.



On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 16:08, Robin Szemeti - G1YFG <robin@...> wrote:
Perhaps a £5 surcharge then for cheque payments to reflect the additional costs and hassle in processing?

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 14:45, Doug G4DZU <dougG4DZU@...> wrote:
Hi,

Though I pay my subs via PayPal, I agree about retaining the capability of subs payment via cheques as there are still people who refuse to use that medium for paying anything.

73s
Doug
G4DZU


On 5 Jun 2020, at 14:24, Julian, G3YGF <julian@...> wrote:

I am strongly of the opinion that you should still accept cheques. The Microwave Group is a broad church.
Cheques can still be posted to the bank or paid in at a Post Offices.
 
Julian, G3YGF
 
-----Original Message-----
From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io [mailto:UKMicrowaves@groups.io]On Behalf Of John Worsnop
Sent: 05 June 2020 11:52
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io; UKuG-Committee@groups.io
Subject: [UKMicrowaves] UKMicrowave group Subscription - Cheque payments

Due to the current situation I am unable to get to the bank to pay in cheques. So if you've sent me one recently, don't expect it to clear in the foreseeable future.

I will of course advise the membership secretary that the sub  has been paid if you do. 

You could really help by not paying your £6 (!!) by cheque,  and using our Paypal facility  (ukug@...) or contact me off reflector for UKuG bank details and doing a direct transfer (UK members only)

On reflection I'm of the view it's time, in the 21st Century, to stop accepting cheque payments altogether.

I plan to raise this with the committee in due course.

This currently is only my personal view as treasurer as I have to get in to my car, drive 5 miles in to Cambridge, park up, and walk for 20 minutes (from the only remaining free parking close to Cambridge Centre) to take them to the bank.

I'd appreciate member's feedback on this proposal

73
John G4BAO
UKuG Treasurer

  



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