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Re: Just a suggestion

Tony G4NBS
 

Adrian, forgive me if this is totally wrong info but I believe KST2ME changed servers some time back (and also updated the program over time).

If you haven’t used the program for some considerable time it might be it is looking in the wrong place on the web?

Try updating the program on the PC you know used to work (the one where you had the original key) and see if it connects.

 

Guess you can semi-check that by looking at what version number the program shows compared to the one you just downloaded?

 

Bo would have sent your key via email so if you can find that you can put the key on the new PC, should still be valid. Alternatively look for it on your old PC in the folder holding KST2ME (guess your key would be KSTMe_G4UVZ.key). Just copy that over to the KST2ME folder on your new PC and it should work…….

 

Regarding the original question from John – I don’t think that KST2ME lets you change your locator but easy to do from ON4KST web interface, maybe that’s the reason?

 

Wasn’t thinking of making contests harder by any means but I do think there should be some form of (simple) unique exchange required that is altered by band and contest. Seems to me there is far too much reliance on databases and freely available info in advance of a QSO!

Nothing against setting up skeds to create activity (and even spotting them on the Cluster so others are aware!) but make it a real QSO please…..

 

73

Tony G4NBS

 

 

 

From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io [mailto:UKMicrowaves@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian G4UVZ via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 July 2019 11:03
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] Just a suggestion

 

Denis..looked for you on Zello under G3UVR   but can't find you?  I am on as G4UVZ ..so maybe you could link to me?


Re: Just a suggestion

Adrian G4UVZ
 

Denis..looked for you on Zello under G3UVR   but can't find you?  I am on as G4UVZ ..so maybe you could link to me?


Re: Just a suggestion

Adrian G4UVZ
 

Thanks for the info Neil...but my two previous instals of ME are 'unplugged'!


Re: Just a suggestion

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

KST2ME is written by Bo OZ2M.  The reg key is just so he can keep tabs on how many people are using his program.  Nothing to do with ON4KST other than using that as a back-end server.

As Bo says, the key is there for his amusement only.  Small price to pay for a neat bit of code. If you've lost the original key and it won't issue a new one, drop him an email

I had a bit of a mess about with the Apple devkit for apps on my Mac, but I wasn't fired up enough to go to the trouble of coding something up in Xcode/Swift, and now I only have an Android phone after breaking my ipad screen for the last time.

Neil G4DBN

On 30/07/2019 09:58, Adrian G4UVZ via Groups.Io wrote:
Denis....Lastnight I down loaded ME on new PC ..requested a KEY but told firmly that you only get one chance to join the KST club !  apparently some where I have a key??   Returned to old PC with ME   and I am apparently un plugged!!!!    see attached ...

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Re: Just a suggestion

G3UVR Denis IO83KH
 

Adrian.

I am still thinking about the KST2ME key problem you have.. I have run KST2ME since it came out and at that time installed the key and it has worked flawlessly ever since.

About tonight and a rain scatter test with you. I can be ready by 18:30 local time which will give us a little time to test before you have to go out. I will log into Zello to have comms with you while we test 3cm.

I do not have a direct path to you I require suitable rain around the midlands area this will require you to point your dish 20 - 30deg to the east of direct.. I worked G3VkV and G3YKI by this scatter path last Sunday.

73 de Denis G3UVR


Re: Just a suggestion

Andy G4JNT
 

Why should you have to have a key for KSTtoME at all ?
Provided you are already registered with the KST site.
It shouldn't be needed.

After reading the messages in this thread, I remembered a while back I had a play with the Telnet interface for KST.   Looked in the archives and found (in a folder called 'MISC'  !) I'd being playing with it in Nov 2017 and wrote a very crude terminal interface.   That's as far as it went, coz I think I was only interested in getting Telnet working from  software I'd written.
But once telnet comms are working to KST, any customisation you want, working with and formatting the sent and received data to write personal filters.   Not going to do it, as it would only be repeating what KSTtoMe does anyway (albeit without the faff of a key)  - but does show that if your programming language has Telnet capability, a customised simpler interface is possible
Who can programme for Apple/Android devices.




On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 09:58, Adrian G4UVZ via Groups.Io <adrianwhatmore248=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Denis....Lastnight I down loaded ME on new PC ..requested a KEY but told firmly that you only get one chance to join the KST club !  apparently some where I have a key??   Returned to old PC with ME   and I am apparently un plugged!!!!    see attached ...

A


Re: Just a suggestion

Adrian G4UVZ
 

Denis....Lastnight I down loaded ME on new PC ..requested a KEY but told firmly that you only get one chance to join the KST club !  apparently some where I have a key??   Returned to old PC with ME   and I am apparently un plugged!!!!    see attached ...

A


Re: Just a suggestion

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

make that /SET QRA IO93NR...

On 30/07/2019 09:53, Neil Smith G4DBN wrote:

I quite like the telnet interface at telnet://www.on4kst.info:23000

Works fine on a telnet-capable terminal app on a smartphone.  You can change your locator using "/SET QRG IO93NR".

I haven't tried anything fancy as the effort involved in getting an app together isn't worth it. Having a searchable backscroll buffer in the terminal program means I can dig back through talk messages, but it can't support a filtered chat directly of course, unless your client supports some sort of piping. 

I'm just command-line oriented...

Neil G4DBN

On 30/07/2019 09:36, Noel G8GTZ wrote:
I am not a great fan of KST, I can't believe that someone cleverer than me can't design a better user interface, however using KST2ME with a seperate window for your own messages does make it more useable even when out portable.  What I would really like is an app for the iphone / ipad to save having to take a laptop out /p at all!

I think a video on the UKmicrowave youtube channel of how to set up and use KST2ME would be really useful for a lot of people...

One question relevant to how this thread started - is it possible to change your locator on KST2ME or do you have to log in to the main site, as I did on Sunday?

73 Noel - G8GTZ


Re: Just a suggestion

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

I quite like the telnet interface at telnet://www.on4kst.info:23000

Works fine on a telnet-capable terminal app on a smartphone.  You can change your locator using "/SET QRG IO93NR".

I haven't tried anything fancy as the effort involved in getting an app together isn't worth it. Having a searchable backscroll buffer in the terminal program means I can dig back through talk messages, but it can't support a filtered chat directly of course, unless your client supports some sort of piping. 

I'm just command-line oriented...

Neil G4DBN

On 30/07/2019 09:36, Noel G8GTZ wrote:
I am not a great fan of KST, I can't believe that someone cleverer than me can't design a better user interface, however using KST2ME with a seperate window for your own messages does make it more useable even when out portable.  What I would really like is an app for the iphone / ipad to save having to take a laptop out /p at all!

I think a video on the UKmicrowave youtube channel of how to set up and use KST2ME would be really useful for a lot of people...

One question relevant to how this thread started - is it possible to change your locator on KST2ME or do you have to log in to the main site, as I did on Sunday?

73 Noel - G8GTZ


Re: Just a suggestion

Noel G8GTZ
 

I am not a great fan of KST, I can't believe that someone cleverer than me can't design a better user interface, however using KST2ME with a seperate window for your own messages does make it more useable even when out portable.  What I would really like is an app for the iphone / ipad to save having to take a laptop out /p at all!

I think a video on the UKmicrowave youtube channel of how to set up and use KST2ME would be really useful for a lot of people...

One question relevant to how this thread started - is it possible to change your locator on KST2ME or do you have to log in to the main site, as I did on Sunday?

73 Noel - G8GTZ


Re: OSCAR 100 Dual feed dielectric lens

groupio@...
 

Hi Adrian,

I bought a kit poty and it had the conical lens supplied but I found that with my setup a lens from a rocket LNB worked better. It required the lens insert and the waterproof cover together to work well. I used clingfilm to cover the poty against the weather but you can see the result in this post https://forum.batc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=6180#p20125 . One thing I did find was that a 22mm pipe cutter as in plumbing, makes a nice job of cutting the LNB to fit a poty.


Re: Just a suggestion

Adrian G4UVZ
 

Hi Denis...I am about most of tomorrow until 7 pm ..then its bell ringing practice,,tower will be up and ready to go on 3cms.

I am within 1 mile of GB3KBQ,,,so if you hear the beacon..chances are you will hear me!


Crawley round table

Denis Stanton G0OLX
 

To All
We are looking for some additional talks for the Crawley microwave round table in September
If any one feels that they would like to bring something to the round table
Please let me know off chat
Email to denis.stanton@ntlworld.com
Many thanks
Denis
G0OLX


Re: Just a suggestion

G3UVR Denis IO83KH
 

Ben.

I can asure you a great deal of work goes into helping operators to try the microwave bands. I am currently working  helping two stations with 3cm and look forward to working them in the  future along with the same old  regular stations.  I have spend a number of weeks of my spare time putting together a second 3cm system so I can loan it out to inrease activity. Time  is what I dont really have as I still work  a full six day week.

Adrian

I spent quite some time and numourous emails getting another station to try KST again he too admitted he found it difficult to understand but after some tuition he managed a handful of 23cm QSOs during a 23cm UKAC where previously he had worked nothing at all. I am willing to help if I know what you find so difficult about it. Ok I understand it well as I have used it for some fifteen years and generally log in every evening and Sunday daytimes. Tuesday evening looks like its going to be a wet night I wonder if it is possible to try 3cm rainscatter with you then? Maybe due to the predicted winds you may not have 3cm available. let me know if you would like to try.

73 de Denis G3UVR


Re: 1.9 to 2m Mesh Dish

Ed G3VPF
 

We used a 12 foot dish on 23cms back in the 1970's made by Ron G3EGV. Took it to Alderney in 1976 for VHF NFD. I seem to remember the design appeared in one of the American magazines, possibly QST.

Ed

G3VPF IO80RQ


From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io> on behalf of John Fell <john.g0api@...>
Sent: 29 July 2019 16:17
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] 1.9 to 2m Mesh Dish
 
I think G3GRO used a 12ft segment dish - like a radar cheese but rotated through 90 degrees and only 12" wide , with stand offs from vertical mast to maintain parabolic form.Long time ago .....

John
G0API

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 16:42, Ken G3YKI <kenneth@...> wrote:
John credits me with a more ambitious construction than it actually was. It was 8ft square. The 4 ft. square panels could be stacked on the top of a small car and that was the usual mode of transport, though we did use the lorry once. The feed was a dual dipole feed, which I still have.
I recall that G3GRO did something similar and described it in a meeting at some event (was that 12 ft High by 8ft?).


Re: Just a suggestion

Ed G3VPF
 

Adrian

I was out yesterday, but the wind was too strong to put up the main 3cms dish so only had the QRP gear. regret I don't use 144.390, it's yet another set of gear to cram into a small vehicle and yet another distraction while trying to cope with KST, Zello and the microwave bands.

I did manage one QSO on 6cms, but suffered severe interference. Did anyone else hear the digital noise emanating from somewhere in the SW of the UK? I went back to the /P site today and it had gone. It wasn't radar, sounded more like digital network noise. Noise level raised >20dB right across the band when beaming at it.

Ed

G3VPF IO80RQ


From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io> on behalf of Andy G4JNT <andy.g4jnt@...>
Sent: 29 July 2019 19:17
To: UK Microwaves groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] Just a suggestion
 
Why 


On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 20:08, militaryoperator via Groups.Io <Military1944=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

... but I would hesitate to do so in the UK these days. 
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Re: Just a suggestion

Andy G4JNT
 

Why 


On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 20:08, militaryoperator via Groups.Io <Military1944=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

... but I would hesitate to do so in the UK these days. 
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Re: Just a suggestion

militaryoperator
 

Just a suggestion.

It might help if those who are already experienced in Microwaves made it easier for those who are not to visit these portable operations or even invited interested parties to their shacks. 

Time was when you could knock on a door after spotting aerials and you were invited in to see the operating room etc. Its worked for me many times while abroad but I would hesitate to do so in the UK these days. 

Maybe those in the know don't really want us not in the know to find out the secrets?? hi.

In which case, there will end up being the same people working the same people over and over again. Maybe that's what they want?



Cheers, Ben G4BXD (Unknown of Kidderminster)

Military Wireless Museum
Kidderminster, UK.



Re: Just a suggestion

Martyn G3UKV
 

Hi Adrian
Not sure why we didn't hear you on Brown Clee, Shrops. (G3ZME/P). We had 2m .390 on almost continuously, and there were several stations using it. A small yagi (horizontal) usually suffices, depending of course on both stations' locations. We used a simple 7 ele. and about 50W, and did rotate it.
ON4KST isn't really a marmite thing - it's currently essential for uW above 23cm. It's not perfect, especially if a UK contest coincides with a Europe contest, when the inputs scroll down and even off the screen too quickly - but many ops. use KST2ME for that reason, as a second window exists that only comes 'live' when you are in QSO with someone. Like most typed i/p software, it can be a bit tedious at times, which is why I personally prefer to use 2m talkback - but it's fair to say that for a large majority of the QSOs we made on 5.7/10G yesterday (more than 3/4) we used 'KST. We called a few times on Zello, but had no takers, and even made a phone call to John 'BAO - but he explained he wasn't at home!

BTW:  Using Windows, the /cq<space> bit before the QSO partner callsign is easily stored with Ctrl C, and then just Ctrl V each time before entering the call + message. (Sorry if I'm teaching granny to suck eggs, but it took me many months before I 'clicked'!).

We'll look out for you on any talkback mode in August. . . . .
73 Martyn G3UKV


On 29/07/2019 15:13, Adrian G4UVZ via Groups.Io wrote:
At least you worked someone...I called on and off during the day on 144.390  and worked no one!


Re: Just a suggestion

John Fell
 

Having the ability to run JT4G or QRA64D would solve a few issues and you could keep the screen shots of decodes as evidence , should it ever be needed!

John
G0API

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 15:15, Neil Smith G4DBN <neil@...> wrote:
A unique string of five groups of five characters/numbers for each
contact, generated in advance by the contest website, would make sure we
were actually communicating and keep us on our toes. I would suggest
QTCs, as in the WAEDX contests
https://www.darc.de/der-club/referate/referat-conteste/worked-all-europe-dx-contest/en/
but with small numbers of contacts, that isn't ideal.  Depends what the
point of the contest is though.  I love the challenge of copying QTCs
send at mega-fast speed in CW, but if we want to encourage activity,
making the contest harder might not be the best move.

Neil G4DBN


On 29/07/2019 14:27, Tony G4NBS via Groups.Io wrote:
> You mean you need to know both the call sign and locator in advance John? Whatever happened to exchanging all info on the band concerned!
> Toungue in cheek of course but wonder if it’s worth considering a reintroduction of some form of info required that guarantees a unique exchange?
> Not thinking of the old exchanges of miles from nowhere but some form of code that changes each band/contest??
> Having just listened to IOTA test with it’s optional RS(T) it was amusing to hear all the repeats of serials required when everything else was known......
> Back in my hole!
> 73
> Tony G4nbs
>> On 29 Jul 2019, at 13:07, John Lemay <john@...> wrote:
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>> Yesterday in the 10GHz contest I spent a while trying (and failing) to work
>> a particular station. Just as I was giving up, it came to light that that G
>> station had crossed the boundary into GW and was portable about 15 degrees
>> off the heading I was using. It only takes a minute to edit ones user
>> details on 'KST ...........
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>> John G4ZTR
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>> Aka Grumpy of Colchester
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