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Re: KST frustration

John E. Beech
 

Yes Andy,
I thought G9 prefixes were reserved for experimental licences and not issued to amateurs. At a talk at our local club the speaker said he had "bought a high power licence off Ofcom" which he needed to test the antennas he manufactures at high power ( export market to countries that are allowed kilowatts ). However, they didn't give him a callsign, told him not to use his call sign & just say any old rubbish while doing the tests, so he reads poetry into the mike. Sounded very odd to me, even a cock-up by Ofcom. Reminds me of the time when Ofcom ( or was it the RA ) back it the '80s issued a statement in the London Gazetteer which made no distinction between Class A & Class B licences so I was allowed to go on HF (whoopee!) for two weeks or so until they rescinded it.

de John G8SEQ

-------Original Message-------
From: Andy <mm0fmf@...>
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration
Sent: Jul 01 '19 10:45


Aren't G9 prefixes special licences i.e. high power or experimental
tests? The original Band III tests for ITV used G9 calls ISTR. Logic
says no they wont issue it.

Andy

-------------------------

FROM: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io> on behalf of
Chris Bartram G4DGU <chris@...>
SENT: Monday, July 1, 2019 2:28 AM
TO: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
SUBJECT: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

Does this mean that G9BF is up for grabs?

Chris G4DGU

On 01/07/2019 09:25, Andy wrote:

> Ofcom will issue any Gn+2 or Mn+2 that has never been issued. It
> will cost you £20. They will not reissue previously issued calls.
> As someone who is well into SOTA I was able to get M0TA as a club
> call so I can operate in Scotland as MS0TA. And yes sending MS0TA is
> much better on the key than MM0FMF where it feels like my dash
> paddle is stuck and people die of boredom waiting for the dashes to
> end!
>
> Andy

Re: KST frustration

Andy
 

Aren't G9 prefixes special licences i.e. high power or experimental tests? The original Band III tests for ITV used G9 calls ISTR. Logic says no they wont issue it.

Andy


From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io> on behalf of Chris Bartram G4DGU <chris@...>
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 2:28 AM
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration
 

Does this mean that G9BF is up for grabs?

Chris G4DGU

On 01/07/2019 09:25, Andy wrote:
Ofcom  will issue any Gn+2 or Mn+2 that has never been issued. It will cost you £20. They will not reissue previously issued calls. As someone who is well into SOTA I was able to get M0TA as a club call so I can operate in Scotland as MS0TA. And yes  sending MS0TA is much better on the key than MM0FMF where it feels like my dash paddle is stuck and people die of boredom waiting for the dashes to end!

Andy

Re: KST frustration

Roger Ray
 

Mike 

Don’t give up on the 24G just yet. Certainly contacts up the coast will work from where you are. It is likely there will be a number of us active in the SE in the October cumulative. With possibly a new 24G station coming on from the Martlesham area....

Also by the September contest, I should have the club 47G loan system available. Plus also another 24G and 76G a possibility.
Roger
G8CUB


On 30 Jun 2019, at 21:02, mike G6TRM via Groups.Io <mike.bryant@...> wrote:

Hi Steve, I have a 24GHz system that I need to repair, I cannot get enough enthusiasm to repair it because I'm too isolated, ironically I might have been able to work you but with the greatest respect, buying it, getting it all ready, loading everything up, setting up, then getting one contact per contest, soul destroying. I know we should keep trying and encourage more on the band but I will put my efforts into parts of the hobby that gives a better return...It will happen, 10GHz started with a few on WB, now one of the most popular bands ( just not today!!)
 
73 Mike G6TRM
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

Hi mike 
i share your pain .
i had the same during the 24ghz contest ....only one station answered and tried the path ....others didn't show any response .....why log in if your not going to have the courtesy to reply ...or set your status away .

anyway 24ghz off the mast now ...seems a bit of a waste of time having a home station on that band .

hope you worked a few people ....

steve G4HTZ 

Re: KST frustration

Chris Bartram G4DGU
 

Does this mean that G9BF is up for grabs?

Chris G4DGU

On 01/07/2019 09:25, Andy wrote:
Ofcom  will issue any Gn+2 or Mn+2 that has never been issued. It will cost you £20. They will not reissue previously issued calls. As someone who is well into SOTA I was able to get M0TA as a club call so I can operate in Scotland as MS0TA. And yes  sending MS0TA is much better on the key than MM0FMF where it feels like my dash paddle is stuck and people die of boredom waiting for the dashes to end!

Andy

Re: KST frustration

alwyn.seeds1
 

Dear Ben.,

My daughter- not a radio amateur- laughs at us taking van-fulls of hardware to a hill-top and then needing the internet to set up contacts.

Like you, I would favour no reliance on internet for VHF/UHF contests, but I believe it was decided that this was (a) unenforceable and (b) would place us out of step with IARU region 1, so we are where we are.

For microwaves, with the narrow antenna beamwidths setting up skeds by internet makes much more sense.

Regards,

Alwyn
 
_____________________________________________________

Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.

Tel.: +44 (0) 20 7376 4110


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
_____________________________________________________

Re: KST frustration

Andy
 

Ofcom  will issue any Gn+2 or Mn+2 that has never been issued. It will cost you £20. They will not reissue previously issued calls. As someone who is well into SOTA I was able to get M0TA as a club call so I can operate in Scotland as MS0TA. And yes  sending MS0TA is much better on the key than MM0FMF where it feels like my dash paddle is stuck and people die of boredom waiting for the dashes to end!

Andy


From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io <UKMicrowaves@groups.io> on behalf of ian hope (2E0IJH) <ian@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 2:47 PM
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration
 
Not only pretend Old timers, Ofcom have issued several M5 2 letter calls, which has confused people, We have one for Invicta Contest Group M5IC.
 
A single letter or short contest call, can be applied for once you have entered a certain number of contests, The info is on the RSGB webpages.
 
Ian
2E0IJH
Contest Sec M5IC
 
 
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 10:40 PM
From: "militaryoperator via Groups.Io" <Military1944@...>
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration
Dear All,
Since we have VHF NFD coming up, it would be good to correct a further problem.
Stations logging on with their full callsign but operating with a short callsign.
A few contests back, I requested a sked with a station who came back a little cross, saying “already worked”. I replied “not in my log” and he then told me his short callsign.
-----------------------
 
Why is it they need to have such? how much faster can it be to call G9X than G9XYZ ?  When I heard my first ?0? I thought I was missing some letters. 
 
That and the hams who 'pretend' to be old timers with G2 and such calls, sometimes not even ex family related. 
 
Odd only hobby. 
 
Ben. G4 plus 3
 
 

Re: KST frustration

John Lemay
 

Ben said < Why not call CQ on 2? >

 

2m talkback is still in use, but much less than it used to be. Two reasons here for not using it:-

 

1.       My 2m system is currently dedicated to driving the 10GHz transverter

2.       Very high gain antennas on 10GHz can mean that a path which is workable on 3cms is not guaranteed to work on 2m.

 

John G4ZTR

 

From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io [mailto:UKMicrowaves@groups.io] On Behalf Of militaryoperator via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 June 2019 22:00
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

 

I gave up early too. I share your frustration at users of 'KST who do not reply. 

I took part in the 2nd 5.7/10GHz contest today (Sunday) but gave up in frustration due to amount of time wasted, waiting on stations/callsigns who do not bother to answer any messages sent to them.

 

 

Not really setup yet for full-blown ops but maybe there's too much reliance on the web? Why not call CQ on 2?

 

As a non-mobile phone user when I get /p I will not have access to the web, unless there's wifi nearby so will have to rely on calling on 2 or such. I can always post a message from home before I leave saying I'll be here or there but if KST and such is so prevalent, I best take a book with me it seems!

 

Still, if its just contacts one is after, maybe these bands are the wrong choice?

 

cheers, Ben G4BXD

Re: KST frustration

Graham G3VKV
 

Hi all, at least if you are portable you stand a good chance of getting a good signal out
operating from my QTH (70m asl)  is like being in a bunker on a golf course  -300m hills 4km away
Still I did manage to work ZME/P - never give up is my motto ! (2m talkback used !)
A lot easier from the top of Cleeve Hill at the CCX beacon old site  73 Graham G3VKV


Re: KST frustration

Tony G4NBS
 

Lots of interesting threads in this!

Wonder if those not responding to you on KST for skeds were answering anybody else? If they were either just plain rude or possibly too busy?
If not then I wonder if they actually know they are still signed in? Sounds silly but from my experience ON4KST (as opposed to KST2ME) will only log you out if you use the same PC (IP address?) that you logged in with.   Found out by accident when I used a friends pc to log in but we forgot to log out.... back home I tried 3 different machines to log out but KST kept me logged in till my friend did the deed!!!

Alwyn - accept your comment but it is fun logging in under wrong call and locator - makes sure everything is copied over the air... are short contest calls allowed in VHF NFD????

Finally, lots of portable sites where phone signals are not good for Data use but having too many different means of talkback/sked methods must dilute your chances? Satellite talkback might just be a step tooo far, though it should guarantee coverage!

73. Tony G4NBS 


On 30 Jun 2019, at 23:03, Neil Smith G4DBN <neil@...> wrote:

Same problem here Ben, no mobile signal at all at home, so I use an internet-connected local picocell box from Vodafone to make/receive calls.  Everything else goes over wifi. 

One option is 2m FM from the hilltop back to a local friend at home who can then use KST/Zello to pass skeds, but that breaks the rules for contests.  Fine for setting up SOTA or general microwave operations though, I'm sure.

Point taken about 2m though, I am potentially excluding myself from contacts with some stations who only have 2m talkback.  I do have a spare SDR radio that I could plumb in, although I'd need to buy or make a new band selection matrix and maybe a second PC and audio mixer so I can keep the single headset.  So much simpler with Zello and KST on the PC, but perhaps worth the technical challenge of setting it up.

You could always get a pay-as-you-go MiFi unit which gives you a WiFi hotspot to use out portable.

I still like the QO100 mobile idea for skeds though!

Neil G4DBN

On 30/06/2019 22:48, militaryoperator via Groups.Io wrote:
Why are you not a mobile user?

I have no need for a mobile phone. I'm not going to fork out stupid sums each month just to run with the herd. I do not twit, chat or wish to exchange pics of my dinner plate while eating my dinner, all while walking in the street not looking where I'm going. 

No doubt some folk actually NEED a phone for their work, the majority?

Every time someone rings my home on a mobile the technology is so fantastic I might get the odd word though usually not. 

So, looks like it'll be a lonely hill!

Ben.

  

Re: KST frustration

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

Same problem here Ben, no mobile signal at all at home, so I use an internet-connected local picocell box from Vodafone to make/receive calls.  Everything else goes over wifi. 

One option is 2m FM from the hilltop back to a local friend at home who can then use KST/Zello to pass skeds, but that breaks the rules for contests.  Fine for setting up SOTA or general microwave operations though, I'm sure.

Point taken about 2m though, I am potentially excluding myself from contacts with some stations who only have 2m talkback.  I do have a spare SDR radio that I could plumb in, although I'd need to buy or make a new band selection matrix and maybe a second PC and audio mixer so I can keep the single headset.  So much simpler with Zello and KST on the PC, but perhaps worth the technical challenge of setting it up.

You could always get a pay-as-you-go MiFi unit which gives you a WiFi hotspot to use out portable.

I still like the QO100 mobile idea for skeds though!

Neil G4DBN

On 30/06/2019 22:48, militaryoperator via Groups.Io wrote:
Why are you not a mobile user?

I have no need for a mobile phone. I'm not going to fork out stupid sums each month just to run with the herd. I do not twit, chat or wish to exchange pics of my dinner plate while eating my dinner, all while walking in the street not looking where I'm going. 

No doubt some folk actually NEED a phone for their work, the majority?

Every time someone rings my home on a mobile the technology is so fantastic I might get the odd word though usually not. 

So, looks like it'll be a lonely hill!

Ben.

  

Re: KST frustration

mike G6TRM
 


Hi Keith,
are you using kst4me ? I find it reduces the throughput quite a lot  however ...I guess being a GU you will get many more requests than most.....start a ticketing system, " you are no 3 on the list"
 
Mike G6TRM

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

Hi Neil

 

I feel that I am, between a rock and a hard place, If I don’t use KST on the upper bands I am unlikely to have many if any QSO’s  I have called and called with no luck.

Use KCT usually ends up with many QSO’s but being signal OP its difficult when the KST screen turns red with all the QSO requests trying to keep up.

 

73 Keith GU6EFB

 

From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io [mailto:UKMicrowaves@groups.io] On Behalf Of Neil Smith G4DBN
Sent: 30 June 2019 21:48
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

 

Perhaps we need a script to fire off auto-nagging requests.  You fire off a nag, and it sends the sked request automagically evey 10 minutes until the other op responds!

On the other hand, perhaps not!

Neil

On 30/06/2019 21:43, mike G6TRM via Groups.Io wrote:



Hi Graham,

During the Low Band contests, I work 3 stations as a single op ( should be a specific section for that) so I know it can be difficult.

I must admit not always being able to work everyone straight away, but I do try to reply with an offer to meep them when I'm free and those I can't because of being busy, I apologize as soon as I am able. to me it is being considerate and polite. I put a lot of effort in going out portable and others put a lot of time into their stations as well.

To be honest I do analyze the activity, but it is not the active station that are the problem.

Not that I'm going to, But I do wonder if I posted the callsigns of those who did not reply, I wonder just how many station would have worked them..not many I bet

 

The last Lowband contest I had a pileup on 23cm with 3 German stations all asking for QSO's on KST and 2 calling me on frequency...I managed that ok and worked them all.

But saying that, I still had lots of no responses for QSO's on KST.

Thanks for the encouragement, I just feel my efforts are defeated by those  *****.

 

Mike G6TRM

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 9:04 PM

Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

 

When you are a single operator working two bands (or more) full attention to KST when you are trying for a difficult contact is not easy.
Especially when several stations call and demand immediate attention.
Don't give up, try and analyse when someone is going to be free you will find it does work.
Put a general call out and get others to call you. See if you can cope when three reply at once.
Keep at it,  it is worth it in the end.

73 Graham G3VKV

Re: KST frustration

militaryoperator
 

Why are you not a mobile user?

I have no need for a mobile phone. I'm not going to fork out stupid sums each month just to run with the herd. I do not twit, chat or wish to exchange pics of my dinner plate while eating my dinner, all while walking in the street not looking where I'm going. 

No doubt some folk actually NEED a phone for their work, the majority?

Every time someone rings my home on a mobile the technology is so fantastic I might get the odd word though usually not. 

So, looks like it'll be a lonely hill!

Ben.

  

Re: KST frustration

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

KST just needs a "Bugger off, I'm *REALLY* busy" button

On 30/06/2019 22:44, Keith Le Boutillier via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Neil

 

I feel that I am, between a rock and a hard place, If I don’t use KST on the upper bands I am unlikely to have many if any QSO’s  I have called and called with no luck.

Use KCT usually ends up with many QSO’s but being signal OP its difficult when the KST screen turns red with all the QSO requests trying to keep up.

 

73 Keith GU6EFB

 

From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io [mailto:UKMicrowaves@groups.io] On Behalf Of Neil Smith G4DBN
Sent: 30 June 2019 21:48
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

 

Perhaps we need a script to fire off auto-nagging requests.  You fire off a nag, and it sends the sked request automagically evey 10 minutes until the other op responds!

On the other hand, perhaps not!

Neil

On 30/06/2019 21:43, mike G6TRM via Groups.Io wrote:



Hi Graham,

During the Low Band contests, I work 3 stations as a single op ( should be a specific section for that) so I know it can be difficult.

I must admit not always being able to work everyone straight away, but I do try to reply with an offer to meep them when I'm free and those I can't because of being busy, I apologize as soon as I am able. to me it is being considerate and polite. I put a lot of effort in going out portable and others put a lot of time into their stations as well.

To be honest I do analyze the activity, but it is not the active station that are the problem.

Not that I'm going to, But I do wonder if I posted the callsigns of those who did not reply, I wonder just how many station would have worked them..not many I bet

 

The last Lowband contest I had a pileup on 23cm with 3 German stations all asking for QSO's on KST and 2 calling me on frequency...I managed that ok and worked them all.

But saying that, I still had lots of no responses for QSO's on KST.

Thanks for the encouragement, I just feel my efforts are defeated by those  *****.

 

Mike G6TRM

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 9:04 PM

Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

 

When you are a single operator working two bands (or more) full attention to KST when you are trying for a difficult contact is not easy.
Especially when several stations call and demand immediate attention.
Don't give up, try and analyse when someone is going to be free you will find it does work.
Put a general call out and get others to call you. See if you can cope when three reply at once.
Keep at it,  it is worth it in the end.

73 Graham G3VKV

Re: KST frustration

ian hope (2E0IJH)
 

Not only pretend Old timers, Ofcom have issued several M5 2 letter calls, which has confused people, We have one for Invicta Contest Group M5IC.
 
A single letter or short contest call, can be applied for once you have entered a certain number of contests, The info is on the RSGB webpages.
 
Ian
2E0IJH
Contest Sec M5IC
 

 
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 10:40 PM
From: "militaryoperator via Groups.Io" <Military1944@...>
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration
Dear All,
Since we have VHF NFD coming up, it would be good to correct a further problem.
Stations logging on with their full callsign but operating with a short callsign.
A few contests back, I requested a sked with a station who came back a little cross, saying “already worked”. I replied “not in my log” and he then told me his short callsign.
-----------------------
 
Why is it they need to have such? how much faster can it be to call G9X than G9XYZ ?  When I heard my first ?0? I thought I was missing some letters. 
 
That and the hams who 'pretend' to be old timers with G2 and such calls, sometimes not even ex family related. 
 
Odd only hobby. 
 
Ben. G4 plus 3
 
 

Re: KST frustration

Neil Smith G4DBN
 

The issue for me with 2m is that getting a system out portable which can match the performance of a competitive SHF system is not trivial. Getting 400-800km on 2m to set up an SHF aircraft scatter or rainscatter contact using  5 watt 2m radio isn't really practical, whereas a mobile phone can do KST and Zello, distance or direction are not an issue. For me, it would mean buying another rig at home as well to do 2m at the same time as SHF. Then there is the additional problem of having a directive antenna and mast out portable, or if using omni, needing a lot more power.  Carting a 100 watt plus 2m radio and antenna system that can reach out as far as decent SHF gear can is going to eat up your power budget very quickly. 

For short-range stuff out to a couple of hundred km, 2m is possible, especially if you happen to have a 2m radio that can operate independently of the SHF stuff. 

I really should shell out for the kit to add concurrent 144.390 talkback capability at home, but doing it portable is a big investment in time and energy that I can avoid by using a phone.  Also I get Airscout and WhatsApp and propagation and cluster and DXMaps with my phone.  Yes, I need a different phone for some locations where there is no reliable coverage on the primary one, but I just nick my wife's....

Perhaps a mobile QO100 system might be the answer for SHF skeds.  Now THAT would be fun as well.

Neil



On 30/06/2019 22:00, militaryoperator via Groups.Io wrote:
I gave up early too. I share your frustration at users of 'KST who do not reply. 

I took part in the 2nd 5.7/10GHz contest today (Sunday) but gave up in frustration due to amount of time wasted, waiting on stations/callsigns who do not bother to answer any messages sent to them.


Not really setup yet for full-blown ops but maybe there's too much reliance on the web? Why not call CQ on 2?

As a non-mobile phone user when I get /p I will not have access to the web, unless there's wifi nearby so will have to rely on calling on 2 or such. I can always post a message from home before I leave saying I'll be here or there but if KST and such is so prevalent, I best take a book with me it seems!

Still, if its just contacts one is after, maybe these bands are the wrong choice?

cheers, Ben G4BXD

Re: KST frustration

Keith Le Boutillier
 

Hi Neil

 

I feel that I am, between a rock and a hard place, If I don’t use KST on the upper bands I am unlikely to have many if any QSO’s  I have called and called with no luck.

Use KCT usually ends up with many QSO’s but being signal OP its difficult when the KST screen turns red with all the QSO requests trying to keep up.

 

73 Keith GU6EFB

 

From: UKMicrowaves@groups.io [mailto:UKMicrowaves@groups.io] On Behalf Of Neil Smith G4DBN
Sent: 30 June 2019 21:48
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

 

Perhaps we need a script to fire off auto-nagging requests.  You fire off a nag, and it sends the sked request automagically evey 10 minutes until the other op responds!

On the other hand, perhaps not!

Neil

On 30/06/2019 21:43, mike G6TRM via Groups.Io wrote:



Hi Graham,

During the Low Band contests, I work 3 stations as a single op ( should be a specific section for that) so I know it can be difficult.

I must admit not always being able to work everyone straight away, but I do try to reply with an offer to meep them when I'm free and those I can't because of being busy, I apologize as soon as I am able. to me it is being considerate and polite. I put a lot of effort in going out portable and others put a lot of time into their stations as well.

To be honest I do analyze the activity, but it is not the active station that are the problem.

Not that I'm going to, But I do wonder if I posted the callsigns of those who did not reply, I wonder just how many station would have worked them..not many I bet

 

The last Lowband contest I had a pileup on 23cm with 3 German stations all asking for QSO's on KST and 2 calling me on frequency...I managed that ok and worked them all.

But saying that, I still had lots of no responses for QSO's on KST.

Thanks for the encouragement, I just feel my efforts are defeated by those  *****.

 

Mike G6TRM

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 9:04 PM

Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

 

When you are a single operator working two bands (or more) full attention to KST when you are trying for a difficult contact is not easy.
Especially when several stations call and demand immediate attention.
Don't give up, try and analyse when someone is going to be free you will find it does work.
Put a general call out and get others to call you. See if you can cope when three reply at once.
Keep at it,  it is worth it in the end.

73 Graham G3VKV

Re: KST frustration

ian hope (2E0IJH)
 

Seen this myself in couple of Contest, BTW Mike we are up at Faversham for VHF NFD if you fancy dropping in
 
Ian
2E0IJH

 
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 10:34 PM
From: "alwyn.seeds1" <a.seeds@...>
To: UKMicrowaves@groups.io
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration
Dear All,
 
Since we have VHF NFD coming up, it would be good to correct a further problem.
 
Stations logging on with their full callsign but operating with a short callsign.
 
A few contests back, I requested a sked with a station who came back a little cross, saying “already worked”. I replied “not in my log” and he then told me his short callsign.
 
It is not exactly difficult to set up an additional KST account for a short callsign, or appending the short call instead of a personal name.
 
Regards,
 
Alwyn G8DOH
_____________________________________________________
 
Alwyn Seeds, Director
SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.

Tel.: +44 (0) 20 7376 4110


SynOptika Ltd., Registered in England and Wales: No. 04606737
Registered Office: 114 Beaufort Street, London, SW3 6BU, United Kingdom.
_____________________________________________________

Re: KST frustration

militaryoperator
 

Dear All,
Since we have VHF NFD coming up, it would be good to correct a further problem.
Stations logging on with their full callsign but operating with a short callsign.
A few contests back, I requested a sked with a station who came back a little cross, saying “already worked”. I replied “not in my log” and he then told me his short callsign.
-----------------------

Why is it they need to have such? how much faster can it be to call G9X than G9XYZ ?  When I heard my first ?0? I thought I was missing some letters. 

That and the hams who 'pretend' to be old timers with G2 and such calls, sometimes not even ex family related. 

Odd only hobby. 

Ben. G4 plus 3


Re: KST frustration

mike G6TRM
 


Hi Ben,
The technology of microwaves has improved so much over the years that 2 mtrs can be outgunned by a half decent microwave station, so something else is needed.
Why are you not a mobile user? even just for going out portable...  much easier to carry about than 2mtr gear, aerial, mast etc. the mobile can provide a local wifi signal for  a laptop/KST
I'm not complaining about KST, not at all, just some of the station that sign up to it then don't participate.
Why make efforts to build a good station, spend time finding/going to a good site, then working only locals... makes no sense..it is a contest. after all
 
Don't think you could ever get me on HF. even at its busiest on the microwave bands there is often time to have a quick chat about how its going, band conditions etc...
A much more relaxed way to communicate.....apart from the ***** on KST ( I'm smiling now!!)
 
Mike G6TRM

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Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [UKMicrowaves] KST frustration

I gave up early too. I share your frustration at users of 'KST who do not reply. 

I took part in the 2nd 5.7/10GHz contest today (Sunday) but gave up in frustration due to amount of time wasted, waiting on stations/callsigns who do not bother to answer any messages sent to them.


Not really setup yet for full-blown ops but maybe there's too much reliance on the web? Why not call CQ on 2?

As a non-mobile phone user when I get /p I will not have access to the web, unless there's wifi nearby so will have to rely on calling on 2 or such. I can always post a message from home before I leave saying I'll be here or there but if KST and such is so prevalent, I best take a book with me it seems!

Still, if its just contacts one is after, maybe these bands are the wrong choice?

cheers, Ben G4BXD

Re: KST frustration

alwyn.seeds1
 

Dear All,

Since we have VHF NFD coming up, it would be good to correct a further problem.

Stations logging on with their full callsign but operating with a short callsign.

A few contests back, I requested a sked with a station who came back a little cross, saying “already worked”. I replied “not in my log” and he then told me his short callsign.

It is not exactly difficult to set up an additional KST account for a short callsign, or appending the short call instead of a personal name.

Regards,

Alwyn G8DOH
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