IS IT JUST ME
g4uvz@...
Well I was all ready for a great day working all the stations on the 10GHz contest! As Andy has said .175 was very quiet but there were many stations on KST..mostly French. Operating from home I had a good internet connection but try as I might, I had great difficulty getting contacts. Stations called looking for contacts called them on the keys...no Go. Last contest I worked a dozen stations ..mostly set up on 2M but quite a few direct on 10G Today I worked 3 stations two of which were set up on 2M It seems to me that /P stations probably can't see the wood for the trees maybe we need a dedicated KST type system for inter G contacts?
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Re: ADF5355 Signal Source
Mary Echternacht <scootiebug02@...>
Thank you, I just bought one of his boards. 73 AC0PY Richard
From: 'Bob VK6KW' rlockley@... [ukmicrowaves] To: "ukmicrowaves@..." Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 02:32:30 PM EDT Subject: RE: [ukmicrowaves] ADF5355 Signal Source Hi Richard, Try:
73, Bob VK6KW
From: ukmicrowaves@... [mailto:ukmicrowaves@...]
Can anyone give me the email address for Wayne? AC0PY Richard USA
On Thursday, August 24, 2017 03:19:48 PM EDT, DougF uwaves@... [ukmicrowaves] <ukmicrowaves@...> wrote:
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Looks like 144.175 really has died
I may not have much of an antenna (2 element ) but to hear NOTHING on 144.175MHz for uWave talkback really does seem a bit poor Still, KST2ME all seems to work, so ... 'jnt
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Re: Activity list for the UK Microwave Group 5.7GHz and 10GHz contests - Sunday 27th August
G1DFL
And another late entry: Pete G1DFL/P IO91NM Remenham Hill (Good to the South and SW) 10GHz 0.2W 60cm Dish 144.175MHz SSB, KST, 07713 432632 Planning for 2pm to 3.30pm Also 24G
On Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:43 AM, "'g7jtt@...' g7jtt@... [ukmicrowaves]" wrote: Sorry very late entry G7JTT IO90LX53 2W 3cm sky dish 2mtr or 07762112271 talkback
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Re: Activity list for the UK Microwave Group 5.7GHz and 10GHz contests - Sunday 27th August
John McCarthy
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Re: Calibrating an RF detector
Mike Willis
Hi Terry,
I have of of those and also one of the OLED versions. I calibrated it against a signal generator which I believe is fairly accurate. It was within 2dB and much better in relative accuracy rather than absolute accuracy, i.e. measuring changes in power, so for example very useful to determine an amplifiers 1 dB compression point. You said you don't have one of those but they are often made available for testing at microwave round tables, as are good quality power meters that you can compare against. The next RT near you can be determined from the UKUG website. There may also be a local amateur with the right gear that can help. Bear in mind that these chips have some thermal drift so you also need to calibrate against temperature. In practice, they are not really for accurate metrology but as very useful when used with a directional coupler to verify the TX is more or less working. Mike
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Scottish Microwave Round Table 4th November 2017
Brian Flynn GM8BJF
The website is now open for bookings. It is at
http://www.gmroundtable.org.uk/ To book a place follow the link in the right hand side bar "Links to forms" and it will take you to the booking page. The bookings for the daytime events and the dinner are separate. The programme follows the tried and tested format of previous years. There are four main talks, the bring and buy/trade tables, the test and measurement facilities and of course the Museum of Communication exhibits. The speakers are:
In the evening there will be the dinner in the Kingswood Hotel about one mile east of Burntisland with the usual entertainments, (the Microwave Band!). Look forward to seeing you there. 73s Brian Flynn GM8BJF
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Re: ADF5355 Signal Source
Bob Lockley VK6KW
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From: ukmicrowaves@... [mailto:ukmicrowaves@...]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 6:17 AM To: DougF uwaves@... [ukmicrowaves] Subject: Re: [ukmicrowaves] ADF5355 Signal Source
Can anyone give me the email address for Wayne? AC0PY Richard USA
On Thursday, August 24, 2017 03:19:48 PM EDT, DougF uwaves@... [ukmicrowaves] <ukmicrowaves@...> wrote:
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Re: Calibrating an RF detector
geoff Blake
First, you need to decide exactly how accurate you need to calibrate the sensor. RF power is notably fickle in this aspect. All but the best, most well equipped calibration labs are hard put to measure much better than +/- 5% over the range you speak of. Before other folk raise their pens to criticise me, at certain spot frequencies better figures are attainable. In amateur circles I cannot see that any better than +/- 10% is necessary. Of course your amateur SWR/power meter will be much better than this :-) 1) check the RF sensitivity of the device, i.e. RF in to outputted reading. This is the primary step and is best done at 0dB or 1mW. This is probably best done with the 1mW 50MHz reference fitted on many HP and other power meters. This power meter should have been recently calibrated - the specified power drift of the reference source is 0.7%/yr IIRC.OK, to sensibly and reasonably accurately calibrate a RF power sensor, you need to: 2) check the return loss of the sensor. Obviously, any reflected power is going to reduce the readout and make the sensor read low. This needs to be done at several frequencies over the range. 3) look at the linearity of the sensor, i.e. if you reduce the power by 10dB, the output reading should reduce by 10dB. 4) Check the noise floor of the sensor, i would expect this to be about -60dBm and would increase the error at -50dB by about 10% or so. In practice, and in an amateur world, I would choose Francois's option first, although I would go easy on the good beer, at least until the measurements are all finished :-) Andy's proposal, just to use the spec. sheet figures, would probably produce significantly better results that those of a typical SWR/power meter or dare I say it, a Bird model 43 system. Good luck Geoff G8GNZ ################################################# Geoff Blake, G8GNZ JO01fq: Chelmsford, Essex, UK <geoff@...> or <melecerties@...> Using Linux: Ubuntu 14.04 on Intel or Debian on UltraSparc and Apple OS X El Capitan on my Macbook Pro. Avoiding Micro$oft like the plague. #################################################
On 26 August 2017 at 15:54, Andy Talbot andy.g4jnt@... [ukmicrowaves] <ukmicrowaves@...> wrote:
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Re: Calibrating an RF detector
Feedback and PIN attenuators are fine, but how do you calibrate your 1mW in the first place? You need an accurate power level or meter to compare with. CMAS gates can work OK ish. Use AC series gate which at 50Mhz will be giving a reasonable squarewave its ouptut resistance is about 10 ohms so use 39R reistor and connect to 50R load. You now have a 2.5pk-pk square across your 50R load, that is delivering At the fundamental that is 2.5 * 4/pi = 3.2V pk-pk or 25mW = 14dBm Use resistors / attenuators appropriately. But remember that level is at the fundamental only. If unfiltered, harmonic components will add. 'jnt
On 26 August 2017 at 17:58, GORDONJ REASON gordonj.reason@... [ukmicrowaves] <ukmicrowaves@...> wrote:
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Re: Calibrating an RF detector
GORDONJ REASON <gordonj.reason@...>
to give me a 0dBm , (1 mW ) source at 50 Mhz .............. I use a Xtal oscillator ........ and buffer .......... followed by a single , +V , pin diode attenuatror . the rf output is rectified with a shottky diode . That DC is fed to one input of an opamp . The other input is a DC reference from a TL431 . The output + feeds back to the PIN Diode attenuator , via a small resistor , and the opamp has a multiturn pot in the feedback path ..... Works like a charm ...... It's not inmportant to use a Crystal osc .......... the frequency is your choice .....
On 26 August 2017 at 15:54 "Andy Talbot andy.g4jnt@... [ukmicrowaves]" <ukmicrowaves@...> wrote:
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Réf. : Re: Calibrating an RF detector
On 26 August 2017 at 15:54 "Andy Talbot andy.g4jnt@... [ukmicrowaves]" wrote:
First of all, download the datasheet for the AD8317 and study that to see what you've got
As the eva luation board you have "probably" has no additional DC conditioning on the output or RF gain or attenuation, until you can prove otherwise, it'll probably do what it says in the datasheet in terms of Vout vs Pin
'jnt
On 26 August 2017 at 15:50, terry.bailey@... [ukmicrowaves] <ukmicrowaves@...> wrote: Hi all, I have one of these I it works fine but I don't have any idea how to calibrate the readings I am getting from it. I don't have a reference source. I do have a spectrum analyser which is good to 10GHz, but it is totally uncalibrated and somewhat temperamental. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Cheers Terry
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Re: TF2600B
g4bao
Sorry Ed. I missed the 'B' Need to engage brain before typing ! 73 John
On 26 Aug 2017 08:49, "Edward Harland g3vpf@... [ukmicrowaves]" <ukmicrowaves@...> wrote:
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Re: Activity List for the UK Microwave Group 5.7GHz and 10GHz Contests Sunday 27th August
Callsign: G0LGS/P Locator: IO81XW Bands: 5.825 GHz WB FM 23dB Panel 2W, 10GHz 1W 40cm dish Talkback: ON4KST and 144.175 SSB or 2m FM Times: 1130 - 1630 approx.
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Re: Calibrating an RF detector
First of all, download the datasheet for the AD8317 and study that to see what you've got As the evaluation board you have "probably" has no additional DC conditioning on the output or RF gain or attenuation, until you can prove otherwise, it'll probably do what it says in the datasheet in terms of Vout vs Pin 'jnt
On 26 August 2017 at 15:50, terry.bailey@... [ukmicrowaves] <ukmicrowaves@...> wrote:
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Calibrating an RF detector
terry.bailey@...
Hi all, I have one of these I it works fine but I don't have any idea how to calibrate the readings I am getting from it. I don't have a reference source. I do have a spectrum analyser which is good to 10GHz, but it is totally uncalibrated and somewhat temperamental. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Cheers Terry
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Re: Activity List for the UK Microwave Group 5.7GHz and 10GHz Contests Sunday 27th August
Nick Peckett G4KUX
Late after arriving home from holiday!
Callsign G4KUX
Loc IO94BP
3Cms Only SSB/CW
8W 80Cm Dish
KST and 144.175
Off and on throughout day.
From: G3XDY g3xdy@... [ukmicrowaves]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:21 AM
To: ukmicrowaves@...
Subject: [ukmicrowaves] Activity List for the UK Microwave Group
5.7GHz and 10GHz Contests Sunday 27th August Here is the activity list for tomorrow's contests, which run from
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Activity List for the UK Microwave Group 5.7GHz and 10GHz Contests Sunday 27th August
John Quarmby
Here is the activity list for tomorrow's contests, which run from 0600-1800z (0700-1900BST) - choose any 8 hour operating period in that time.
The weather looks likely to be good for this event, and there is a degree of tropo enhancement here this morning which might still be there tomorrow. Look out for French stations taking part in the F8TD Microwave Contest which coincides with the first part of the UK event. Callsign: G8GKQ/P Locator: IO81XW Bands: 5665 MHz FM ATV Only 2W 0.45m dish 10 GHz SSB and DATV 1W 0.6m dish Talkback 144.175 SSB and 144.75 FM Times: 11am - 3pm local Callsign: M0HNA/P Locator: IO91GI Bands: 5.7GHz 8W 0.7m dish 10GHz 0.8W 0.95m dish Talkback: ON4KST, 144.175MHz, 07885 042533 Times: 10.00am BST onwards Callsign - G4LDR Locator - IO91EC02 Bands:5.7GHz - 1.5m dish, 15W 10.368GHz -1m dish, 25W Talkback - 144.175 and KST. Callsign: G8GTZ/P Locator: IO81FD – Dunkery Beacon near Minehead Bands: 5.6GHz 2W FMTV 0.45m dish 10GHz 6W 0.6m dish Talkback: 144.75 SSB / 144.750 FM preferred or ON4KST or 07881914287 Times: All day Callsign: G4ASR Locator: IO81MX Bands: 10GHz 5W 0.5m Procom dish Talkback: ON4KST, 144.175 SSB, 144.550 FM (Midlands-West), FB VHF/UHF Contesting, 01873 860 679 Times: All Day Callsign: M0DTS/P Locator: IO94MJ Bands: 5.7GHz - work in progress, hope to have Rx at least. 10GHz - 6W 80cm Talkback: kst,144.175 Times: 11am onwards Callsign: GW3TKH/P Locator: IO81LS Bands: 5.7GHz 10W 1m dish 10GHz 10W 1m dish Talkback: ON4KST, 144.175, 07762885015 Times: From about 0900 BST Callsign: GW4HQX/P Locator: IO81LS Bands: 5.7GHz 15W 23dBi flat panel 10GHz 200mW 40cm dish Talkback: ON4KST, 144.175, 07762885015 Times: Various Callsign: G3ZME/P Locator: IO82QL (Brown Clee) Bands: 5.7GHz (15W), 10GHz (8W) Talkback: 2m (preferred), ON4KST, mobile 07932 927887 Times: from about10:45 hrs local Callsign: G3YJR Locator: IO93FJ Bands: 10GHz 0.25W Talkback: ON4KST and 144.175MHz Callsign: G4JNT Locator: IO90IV58 Bands: 5.7GHz Talkback: 01489787424/07576765856 and ON4KST Callsign: G3XDY Locator: JO02OB Bands: 5.7GHz 15W 0.6m dish 10GHz 10W 0.6m dish Talkback: ON4KST Times: Morning only 73 John G3XDY UKuG Contest Manager
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yes, please do - all details as previous months But its odd that messages with the keywords in the subject line were failing to make it to the message list. Andy G4JNT
On 26 August 2017 at 09:04, G3XDY g3xdy@... [ukmicrowaves] <ukmicrowaves@...> wrote:
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John Quarmby
I can include you on the list for 5.7GHz tomorrow if that's what you were posting Andy? 73 John G3XDY
On 26/08/2017 07:43, Andy Talbot
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