Re: WG20 Round flange
Mark GM4ISM
John,
Quite possibly, good enough for amateur purposes anyway.
I had not considered this. I have certainly measured moderate losses at
24GHz with such cable assemblies.
a few caveats
You will probably have to get the cable you use checked out on good
testgear. microwave round tables are good for this, (or a visit to my
shack.. not too convenient from GW i guess)
I suspect the attenuation and match may be affected by bending the cable so
once measured it should be left well alone.
Avoid Elbow connectors!
I am not sure if the impedance of such cables is always 50Ohms to a
reasonable accuracy. If you are buying new coax for this purpose you can
choose cable and connectors to the appropriate spec.
I have no idea as to the absolute stability of this sort of cable over
time, or over a temperature range but given the large numbers of these cables in
use in microwave gear, I don't expect you will see much change when in use. Kept
away from dampness, in the shack at a relatively constant temperature I would
imagine this would be OK
You should be able to dissipate a reasonable amount of power in these
cables. With 50W of 10GHz into a length of 141 semi-rigid, the losses are
sufficient that the cable runs quite warm (I estimate I am easily dissipating a
2-5 watts in the short cable between the TWT output and the waveguide transition
in my PA
If the cable gets really hot the coax insulation expands and soldered SMA
connectors fall off. I have seen this several times.
I have just done a few measurements on some pre-made lengths I have around.
The longest has 12 dB attenuation but is showing a ripple ( 0.75dB peak to
trough) on the sweep indicative of a slight mismatch in the measurement system.
Measuring its match terminated in a precision load showed why, it had only 15dB
return loss.
Shorter cables tested had return losses ranging from 15 to 22dB (For
what its worth the measurement set is calibrated and has a quoted 38dB
directivity)
all told a good well terminated length of semi-rigid , calibrated using the
average loss measured over the approx freq range you would not have a huge
error. If you were using such a cable to drop the output to a level suitable for
a power meter, the added uncertainty may well be acceptable, it is probably no
worse than a surplus directional coupler or surplus attenuator. You should be
able to make reasonably repeatable measurements, which with amateur equipment is
about as good as you can hope for. Even measuring the loss to a reasonable
accuracy will require access to good test equipment in the first place.
Lastly, you simply cannot assume the cables and coaxial components you
happily use at 10GHz will be good at 24GHz Get everything checked and use
only components you know work up that high.
Regards
Mark
GM4ISM
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Subject: [ukmicrowaves] Re: WG20 Round flange
Mark Not a solution but a question for my own education:- Would a length of suitable semi rigid cable make a useable dissipative attenuator at 24 GHz that could be reliably calibrated? I see that some of the smaller types are quoted with very high figures of attenuation per 100ft (300-500 dB) and are rated well beyond 24G. John MW1FGQ
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