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Unwritten policy of theosophy not taken to blacks and minorities in USA?

M K Ramadoss
 

Is there an unwritten long time secret policy of not taking theosophy to blacks and other minorities in USA?


If you visit any theosophical gathering in USA, a perceptive theosophical student would be shocked to find lack of minorities especially blacks (afro american). This does not seem accidental since it is an issue not discussed or written about it in theosophical circles in the last more than 50 years or longer. The policy seems to continue with no discussion of the need for practical Universal Brotherhood. Just lecturing about it is not going to find blacks interested in theosophy since what they see and may be witnessing first hand when they visit theosophical groups may be uninviting.

In this context, we need to look into a tragic fact. Two years ago, John Algeo PhD passed away. He held many offices including International Vice President and lectured and wrote about many aspects of theosophy. Surely he was a committed life long theosophist. The obituary published at his passing said -


“John was fascinated with ritual, symbolism, and life's existential mysteries. A 70-year member of the Theosophical Society, he served as American President and International Vice-President. He rose to Thirty-Third Degree in the Eastern Order of International Co-Freemasonry.”


In spite of all this, one thing that stands out is that he never wrote or spoke about the lack of diversity in theosophists in USA and need to do something about it. He lived in the State of Georgia which has significant black population and hence he should have been aware of the lack of blacks in theosophy. Yet he did not work to take theosophy in his home town group and it is a tragedy unless there is an unwritten policy of attempt to spread theosophy only to the White population and ignoring the black and minorities in USA, which might have trickled down from the esoteric side, without whose support it is impossible to climb the organizational ladder.


The tragedy of not taking theosophy to the minorities especially blacks is critical. Christian missionaries know that their faith has to be taken to people for them to get interested in. Lecturing – even with nice videos with attractive young faces – does not work. Men and women have to go into the minority population and work with them on social issues of interest to them.


Theosophical groups in USA has not shown any interest to focus on taking theosophy to the minorities. Future of theosophy in USA lies with growing immigrant minorities and not with shrinking White population. Not recognizing the need to take theosophy to the minorities firstly brings bad reputation to theosophy as a racist ideology and secondly with increased public sensitivity on racial justice can bring unexpected problems to theosophical organizations since they are not working for practical Universal Brotherhood.


Lack of diversity is a critical and sensitive issue and but for Internet, Facebook and Twitter, we will not be discussing it today. Anyway it is time for American Theosophists to see the problem and respond to it. If the current leaders are unable or unwilling to address it urgently, is it not time to find some dedicated unpaid volunteers to take the challenge and spread theosophy.


What do you think?


Peace


Breaking News - American Section Annual Dues Going up

M K Ramadoss
 

Recently Indian Section abolished admission fees and annual dues. Zero fees or dues!!!

However, just learnt that American Section has INCREASED the annual dues starting from 2022.
We can understand how American Section is really needs more and more money especially when membership is going down and down.
Theosophy is not cheap. You have to pay a price for it and no one in USA will complain since theosophy is priceless.
Also feel free to send any donations to the American Section, they will be thankful.
The only observation of Theosophy News has is USA needs more theosophical diversity - Blacks and minorities which is badly lacking today as every theosophist in USA knows.
Let is all pray for the day of diversity.

Theosophy News and theosophy.net has demonstrated that theosophical work can be done with very little money by unpaid committed theosophical volunteers. They also do not accept any money or in kind resources from any organization to keep their independence.
Thanks to all.

Peace

Theosophy News


Re: REAL THEOSOPHISTS ARE OUTSIDE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETIES!!!

Pavel Axentiev
 


DON'T MANIPULATE YOUR WAY UP!

Higher you rise, unmeritedly & underservedly, greater is the height by which you will fall; and your fall will be harder too.

Couldn't agree more. 
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 11:14 AM M K Ramadoss <mkr777@...> wrote:

It is a pity American Theosophists will be seen as White racists. Visit any theosophical gathering - convention, conference, meeting and you will be lucky to find a single Black.

American Theosophists have been preaching Universal Brotherhood for 145 years but have done nothing to spread the Divine Wisdom to all segments in a country which is a melting pot where the future lies with minorities. But apparently systemically maintaining Whitiness and have not seen any recognition of the fact. This issue is never discussed by any "Theosophist" in USA any time in the past!

Amy Barrett, a White Supreme Court Justice in USA is a real Theosophist. She may not know what theosophy is or Universal Brotherhood is. But she has adopted two black kids. Have you ever seen a White American Theosophist adopting a Black kid? Recently she made following statement in a lecture and which speaks for itself.

“I have an important job, but I certainly am no more important than anyone else in the grocery store checkout line,” Barrett said, describing how her relationship with her children — who are not “particularly impressed” with her high-profile post — helps her stay grounded in her “regular life” where she is busy “running carpools, throwing birthday parties, being ordered around.”

Peace


Re: Should be an interesting book for students of Theosophy. It's available online.

Pavel Axentiev
 

What is a good source for Theosophical bibliography? (Preferably online.)

Kind regards,

Pavel A.




On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:18 PM Ramu <peacebliss@...> wrote:
Should be an interesting book for students of Theosophy. It's available online. Look at the contents.


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Imagining the East: The Early Theosophical Society

Tim Rudbog and Erik Sand

ABSTRACT

The Theosophical Society (est. 1875 in New York by H. P. Blavatsky, H. S. Olcott, and others) is increasingly becoming recognized for its influential role in shaping the alternative new religious and cultural landscape of the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries, and perhaps especially for being an early promoter of interest in Eastern religions and philosophies. Many scholars now point to the Theosophical Society’s early popularization of Eastern concepts in the West and that Blavatsky and Olcott were the first known Westerners to convert to Buddhism, but despite this increasing awareness many of the central questions relating to the early Theosophical Society and the East still remain largely unexplored. This volume is the first academic anthology specifically dedicated to a more detailed study of the early Theosophical Society and the East (1875–1900). In addition to locating and analyzing new historical material, this book explores how the Theosophists approached the East and how in so doing they were similar to and different from Orientalists at the time. It explores how Theosophists represented the East and engaged with the people they came into contact with. Major topics include Sanskrit, Buddhism, Hindu philosophy, Eastern masters, yoga, and how such subjects were written about in Theosophical journals and in modernist literature. The innovative studies in this volume also explore the close relation between Theosophy, Hindu reform movements, and Indian politics and thereby offer new insights into the role of modern esotericism, globalization, and cross-cultural dynamics in the nineteenth century.

Keywords: Theosophical SocietyTheosophycross-cultural interchangeOrientalismmodern esotericismglobalizationTheosophyH. P. Blavatskyhistory of ideaspostcolonial studies

BIBLIOGRAPHIC INFORMATION

Print publication date: 2020Print ISBN-13: 9780190853884
Published to Oxford Scholarship Online: February 2021DOI:10.1093/oso/9780190853884.001.0001

AUTHORS

Affiliations are at time of print publication.

Tim Rudbog, editor
Associate Professor/Director, Copenhagen Center for the Study of Theosophy and Esotericism

Erik Sand, editor
Emeritus Associate Professor, University of Copenhagen

Contents

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Front Matter

Introduction

Tim Rudbøg and Erik Reenberg Sand

6 The Mahatma Letters

Joscelyn Godwin

Afterword

Tim Rudbøg and Erik Reenberg Sand

End Matter


Should be an interesting book for students of Theosophy. It's available online.

Ramu
 

Should be an interesting book for students of Theosophy. It's available online. Look at the contents.


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Imagining the East: The Early Theosophical Society

Tim Rudbog and Erik Sand

ABSTRACT

The Theosophical Society (est. 1875 in New York by H. P. Blavatsky, H. S. Olcott, and others) is increasingly becoming recognized for its influential role in shaping the alternative new religious and cultural landscape of the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries, and perhaps especially for being an early promoter of interest in Eastern religions and philosophies. Many scholars now point to the Theosophical Society’s early popularization of Eastern concepts in the West and that Blavatsky and Olcott were the first known Westerners to convert to Buddhism, but despite this increasing awareness many of the central questions relating to the early Theosophical Society and the East still remain largely unexplored. This volume is the first academic anthology specifically dedicated to a more detailed study of the early Theosophical Society and the East (1875–1900). In addition to locating and analyzing new historical material, this book explores how the Theosophists approached the East and how in so doing they were similar to and different from Orientalists at the time. It explores how Theosophists represented the East and engaged with the people they came into contact with. Major topics include Sanskrit, Buddhism, Hindu philosophy, Eastern masters, yoga, and how such subjects were written about in Theosophical journals and in modernist literature. The innovative studies in this volume also explore the close relation between Theosophy, Hindu reform movements, and Indian politics and thereby offer new insights into the role of modern esotericism, globalization, and cross-cultural dynamics in the nineteenth century.

Keywords: Theosophical SocietyTheosophycross-cultural interchangeOrientalismmodern esotericismglobalizationTheosophyH. P. Blavatskyhistory of ideaspostcolonial studies

BIBLIOGRAPHIC INFORMATION

Print publication date: 2020Print ISBN-13: 9780190853884
Published to Oxford Scholarship Online: February 2021DOI:10.1093/oso/9780190853884.001.0001

AUTHORS

Affiliations are at time of print publication.

Tim Rudbog, editor
Associate Professor/Director, Copenhagen Center for the Study of Theosophy and Esotericism

Erik Sand, editor
Emeritus Associate Professor, University of Copenhagen

Contents

Go to page:

Front Matter

Introduction

Tim Rudbøg and Erik Reenberg Sand

6 The Mahatma Letters

Joscelyn Godwin

Afterword

Tim Rudbøg and Erik Reenberg Sand

End Matter


Re: KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING ARE DIFFERENT.

Pavel Axentiev
 

Gurdjieff also said that one ought to use all one’s faculties, including the intellectual one, for a full experience of living.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 8:46 AM Ramu <peacebliss@...> wrote:
KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING ARE DIFFERENT.  (George Gurdjieff.)

Accumulated knowledge may often be a hindrance to understanding.

Accumulation of knowledge does not lead to intelligence. (J. Krishnamurti)

"jnanam bandhah" in Siva Sutras means knowledge creates (its own) shackles or conditionings.  

Accumulated knowledge and the logic emanating from it fall flat as useless in dealing with life's changing demands and in understanding experiences. Heraclitus' philosophy of 'flux' not only invalidates  knowledge-based logic and but makes real knowledge impossible.

In fact accumulated knowledge is an unnecessary burden and is often a hindrance to creativity, understanding first hand our experiences moment to moment and for the joyous freshness in experiencing.

--
Kind regards,

Pavel A.



A new model of consciousness

Pavel Axentiev
 


WHY AMERICAN THEOSOPHISTS ARE ON WRONG PATH

M K Ramadoss
 

When Theosophy was launched in 1875, the Mahatmas were looking for committed unselfish volunteers and not salaried workers to spread Theosophy. The primary focus was to spread Universal Brotherhood.

We have seen how unselfish volunteers successfully spread theosophy world-wide.

What do you see today in USA? Theosophical leaders in USA are all salaried and lack of diversity (Whiteness) in their followers shows their view of Brotherhood is not Universal. And the following is shrinking daily. Reminded of of the days when the West believed in flat world and no one questioned it!

Like the kid who shouted “Emperor has no clothes,” Theosophy News is the first to speak up about the critical flaw in theosophy movement in USA. Thanks to Facebook and Twitter.

During the last half century, not a single theosophist has spoken about the critical issues. We had many occultists, professors, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, home makers, etc etc none of whom mentioned a single word about diversity and salaried leaders, and in most cases salary info was kept secret.

Future in USA lies with unselfish dedicated volunteers and minorities and not salaried White men and women

Peace


Madras High Court orders inspection of all Societies in Tamil Nadu.

Ramu
 

Madras High Court orders inspection of all Societies in Tamil Nadu.  

https://www.moneylife.in/article/madras-hc-orders-inspection-of-all-societies-and-clubs/65231.html 


Re: 40 YEAR OLD TS LABOUR DISPUTE ENDS. HERE IS THE FINAL JUDGEMENT & AWARD ORDER.

Ramu
 


40 YEAR OLD TS LABOUR DISPUTE ENDS. HERE IS THE FINAL JUDGEMENT & AWARD ORDER.

Ramu
 

40 YEAR OLD TS LABOUR DISPUTE ENDS. HERE IS THE FINAL JUDGEMENT & AWARD ORDER. 


INTERESTING THESIS

Ramu
 

"The Masters are close to an isolated lodge" : the Theosophical Society in Tasmania, 1889-1930 


CAN I REALLY KNOW MYSELF?

Ramu
 

CAN I REALLY KNOW MYSELF?

Is self-knowledge just a theory of my own mind?

Knowing the content of one’s own mind might seem straightforward but in fact it’s much more like mindreading other people.

If self-awareness is ‘just’ theory of mind directed at ourselves, perhaps it is less special than we like to believe. 

Acommon view is that self-knowledge is special, and immune to error, because it is gained through introspection – literally, ‘looking within’. While we might be mistaken about things we perceive in the outside world, it seems odd to say that we are wrong about our own minds. We have untrammelled access to our own minds, so the argument goes, and this immediacy of introspection means that we are rarely wrong about ourselves. This is known as the ‘privileged access’ view of self-knowledge. 

But we gain self-knowledge by applying the tools we use to understand other minds to ourselves: ‘The sorts of things that I can find out about myself are the same as the sorts of things that I can find out about other people, and the methods of finding them out are much the same.’

The implication is that most of us don’t know ourselves very well. ‘To know that one does not know is best; not to know but to believe that one knows is a disease.’
 
Some assert that self-awareness is something that can be cultivated. 

Other aspects of the mind – most famously, perception – also appear to operate on the principles of an (often unconscious) inference. The idea is that the brain isn’t directly in touch with the outside world (it’s locked up in a dark skull, after all) – and instead has to ‘infer’ what is really out there by constructing and updating an internal model of the environment, based on noisy sensory data. 

Metacognition, just like perception, is also subject to powerful illusions and distortions – lending credence to the inferential view. 

Self-awareness is something that can be cultivated, it is not a given, and it can fail in myriad interesting ways.

A simple route for improving self-awareness is to take a third-person perspective on ourselves.

Descartes’s classical notion of introspection is increasingly at odds with what we know of how the brain works. Instead, our knowledge of ourselves is (meta)knowledge like any other – hard-won, and always subject to revision. Realising this is perhaps particularly useful in an online world deluged with information and opinion.

As the poet Robert Burns tells us:

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us…
(Oh, would some Power give us the gift
To see ourselves as others see us!
It would from many a blunder free us… )




Re: KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING ARE DIFFERENT.

M K Ramadoss
 

Knowledge and wisdom are different.
We see educated fools inside and outside theosophy every day!


On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 10:46 AM Ramu <peacebliss@...> wrote:
KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING ARE DIFFERENT.  (George Gurdjieff.)

Accumulated knowledge may often be a hindrance to understanding.

Accumulation of knowledge does not lead to intelligence. (J. Krishnamurti)

"jnanam bandhah" in Siva Sutras means knowledge creates (its own) shackles or conditionings.  

Accumulated knowledge and the logic emanating from it fall flat as useless in dealing with life's changing demands and in understanding experiences. Heraclitus' philosophy of 'flux' not only invalidates  knowledge-based logic and but makes real knowledge impossible.

In fact accumulated knowledge is an unnecessary burden and is often a hindrance to creativity, understanding first hand our experiences moment to moment and for the joyous freshness in experiencing.


KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING ARE DIFFERENT.

Ramu
 

KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING ARE DIFFERENT.  (George Gurdjieff.)

Accumulated knowledge may often be a hindrance to understanding.

Accumulation of knowledge does not lead to intelligence. (J. Krishnamurti)

"jnanam bandhah" in Siva Sutras means knowledge creates (its own) shackles or conditionings.  

Accumulated knowledge and the logic emanating from it fall flat as useless in dealing with life's changing demands and in understanding experiences. Heraclitus' philosophy of 'flux' not only invalidates  knowledge-based logic and but makes real knowledge impossible.

In fact accumulated knowledge is an unnecessary burden and is often a hindrance to creativity, understanding first hand our experiences moment to moment and for the joyous freshness in experiencing.


Krishnamurti Historical Videos

M K Ramadoss
 

Very interesting compilation of videos of historical value.
It is 2-1/2 hours long.
What is significant is the level of activity that went on during those times.
The hand of Mrs. Besant, a consummate leader and organizer is obvious.
See current pitiful condition today we can witness courtesy of Internet.
Watch and enjoy - Click on the link below


Recent Progress in Theosophy

Ramu
 


Re: BREAKING NEWS Indian Section is Abolishing Admission Fees and Annual Dues

M K Ramadoss
 

We do not know the motivation. If membership increases, all the more good. Surely the dues are discouraging new membership.
Looking from USA where I live, the situation is entirely different. Annual dues is $60 which discourages many. There is constant request for donations and membership is shrinking daily. Future increase has to come from blacks and other minorities. Have not seen any project to take theosophy to the minorities especially Blacks. Who knows the Annual Dues may go up to help fund the monetary needs and would also discourage prospective members (including Blacks). Let us wait and see if any other Section follows Indian Section.


On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 8:48 PM Ramu <peacebliss@...> wrote:
Do you think this is an attempt to increase the Indian Vote Bank significantly?

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 8:28 PM M K Ramadoss <mkr777@...> wrote:

BREAKING NEWS

Indian Section is Abolishing Admission Fees and Annual Dues

It is planning to do it since the Section is self sustaining. It is anticipated it will bring in 2,000 additional members. Indian Section knows more money will not bring in members. It is sending a message to all Sections in the World to follow.

The situation is sad in USA. There is constant request for donations even with large donations from Kern Foundation ($1million) and other affluent Lodges (Cleveland Lodge sending out all their money & not helping local needs). Now a special effort in place to bring in more money (Fetzer Trust is helping with funding). All this with $16million in the bank. Money is not increasing membership and numbers going down every day.

When Theosophy was launched, HPB and HSO were poor and penniless. Without money theosophy was spread by them. American Section can follow the lead of Indian Section and hopefully it would help bring in more members and fix the diversity problem.

Peace



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Re: BREAKING NEWS Indian Section is Abolishing Admission Fees and Annual Dues

Ramu
 

Do you think this is an attempt to increase the Indian Vote Bank significantly?


On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 8:28 PM M K Ramadoss <mkr777@...> wrote:

BREAKING NEWS

Indian Section is Abolishing Admission Fees and Annual Dues

It is planning to do it since the Section is self sustaining. It is anticipated it will bring in 2,000 additional members. Indian Section knows more money will not bring in members. It is sending a message to all Sections in the World to follow.

The situation is sad in USA. There is constant request for donations even with large donations from Kern Foundation ($1million) and other affluent Lodges (Cleveland Lodge sending out all their money & not helping local needs). Now a special effort in place to bring in more money (Fetzer Trust is helping with funding). All this with $16million in the bank. Money is not increasing membership and numbers going down every day.

When Theosophy was launched, HPB and HSO were poor and penniless. Without money theosophy was spread by them. American Section can follow the lead of Indian Section and hopefully it would help bring in more members and fix the diversity problem.

Peace



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BREAKING NEWS Indian Section is Abolishing Admission Fees and Annual Dues

M K Ramadoss
 

BREAKING NEWS

Indian Section is Abolishing Admission Fees and Annual Dues

It is planning to do it since the Section is self sustaining. It is anticipated it will bring in 2,000 additional members. Indian Section knows more money will not bring in members. It is sending a message to all Sections in the World to follow.

The situation is sad in USA. There is constant request for donations even with large donations from Kern Foundation ($1million) and other affluent Lodges (Cleveland Lodge sending out all their money & not helping local needs). Now a special effort in place to bring in more money (Fetzer Trust is helping with funding). All this with $16million in the bank. Money is not increasing membership and numbers going down every day.

When Theosophy was launched, HPB and HSO were poor and penniless. Without money theosophy was spread by them. American Section can follow the lead of Indian Section and hopefully it would help bring in more members and fix the diversity problem.

Peace



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