It was done and it was a lot of fun :-)

On Jul 25, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Bob <brodgers@...> wrote:

We did Waterloo and Austerlitz on my table using Age of Eagles.

We did Borodino in my garage using Imperial Lances.

So, it can be done.

On Jul 25, 2019, at 4:32 PM, Don L <dleuenbe@...> wrote:

Bob,

I agree but there are a lot of meeting engagements and run up to battles that can be fun. I'm thinking of the 1805 Russian retreat down the Danube after the Austrian fiasco at ULM and the 1809 engagements in Bavaria. Certainly could not do big battles likeAusterlitz, Eylau or Borodino--but I'm not sure that there is any scale (at least that I can see to paint) that would allow this.

Don

On July 25, 2019 at 5:20 PM Bob <brodgers@...> wrote:

General de Brigade is 1:20 (36-man Battalions) scale.  Empire is 1:60 (12-man Battalions).
Having never played it, I assume that each player could run about a Division.
Probably couldn't do more than a couple Corps per side on my table.

So we could push a lot of lead but we couldn't redo any full-scale battles.

Bob

You said it dude!   Sophisticated, charming AND humble to boot - I am so glad to have earned those accolades, Bob - and all because I wore my club shirt!!

BTW I am pretty sure I cannot make any of the listed game days, so some other member of the group can step forward, wear the club shirt and lay claim to these outstanding characteristics.........  But remember "The Shirt maketh the Man!!"  [Arnold Schwarzenegger]

JC.

The order has been submitted.
Ordering 7 shirts in this second order.
We should be getting them in 2-3 weeks.

Now that those who want shirts have ordered them, I propose that the 1st club meeting of each month be "Club Shirt Day".
(August 3rd, Sep 14th, October 5th, etc).  Giving us all a chance to wear the club colors.
Is there any opposition ?

Bob - My first wargame set of rules was Column Line and Square (CLS). It was a fun game, the "battle manual" was a 3" loose leaf binder but you need lots of figures (An Austrian battalion was 60 figures) and lots of dice. 

Al Revere

PS - It's in my garage somewhere... I am afrad if I go out there I will never come back....

-----Original Message-----
From: Don L <dleuenbe@...>
To: The-Table-Top-Gaming-Society <The-Table-Top-Gaming-Society@groups.io>; Bob <brodgers@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2019 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: [The-Table-Top-Gaming-Society] Nappy Rules...

Bob,

You inspired me to go to the garage in this hot weather and rummage about among unopened boxes.

I found:

Empire 3 which I played for many years and liked and my 15mm are organized around these rules--28mm are all organized at 1:25.

Peter Gilder"s In the Grand Manner which I remember fondly.

Scott Bowden and Jim Getz's Chef de Bataillon which I undoubtedly paid a lot of money for and tossed, lots of cards, complexity, etc. Probably works for a couple of people on the tactical level.

Covered with Glory--same as above.

March of Eagles--1989. Again, tactical level. Apparently, I never got them out again.

Napoleonique Encore--dates to 1971 but I remember positively.

General de Brigade which I recall liking but not recalling why. I might recall had I less beer.

I just ordered Black Powder. These have been fun games but I do have issues with morale and not only because of my strained relationship with dice. I'm not sure given our games how I would react to cavalry engagements and to artillery--not enough experience.

I don't think there is any pot of gold to be found here. I do like the idea of settling on a set of rules with whatever house modifications seem right to everyone. Bouncing between rules sets puts a real dent in my enthusiasm for a period. The game becomes much to much about the rule set--

I look forward to playing again.

Don

 

On July 23, 2019 at 12:50 PM Bob <brodgers@...> wrote:

Nappy rules I have played:

Empire III - These are OK but very pro-French. Lots of detail so Millennials won’t play them.

Valmy to Waterloo - Empire clone with tons of charts.

Legacy of Glory - Smoothed out Empire clone.

Shako - OK but some weird rules that are a bit gamey and non-historical.

Volley & Bayonet - Basically a board game with small numbers of figures representing large numbers of troops.

Napoleon at War - Good game but one player can only handle a Division. So only for smaller battles of around a Corps.

A to Z Rules Campaigns of Napoleon - Beer & pretzels, but you can do larger battles with them.

Imperial Lances - My set. I like them. Others don’t. So, the search continues.

Fire & Steel - OK. There’s a learning curve. Empire-like without the flow charts.

Et sans Résultat - P’tooey !

Age of Eagles - OK. Figure intensive. So far the one we seem to keep coming back to.

Principles of War Napoleonic - Generic but playable. These would work if enough guys liked them.

Grande Armee - Didn’t feel like a Nap battle to me. 

Napoleon’s Battles - I dislike the basing for Cavalry and it also doesn’t feel like a Napoleonic battle to me,

Those are the ones that I can immediately remember.

I have played others I’m sure.

I also have a few others in my library that I have never played.

Bob

On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Chad Lunceford < cluncefo@...> wrote:

The thread about a ruleset Bob hated made me think of this.  :) 

Is there an "end-all" ruleset out there for Napoleonics?  (Caution, my inexperience is showing...)  I have only heard of a couple: General de Brigade, Sharp Practice and Black Powder.  I have only played Black Powder and General de Brigade, and that was only once, years ago.  Black Powder seems like a good, relatively simple and fun ruleset, but people don't like the movement rules (and I don't just mean John).  I actually have to agree that the movement seems a bit odd: a line unit will either be able to move  0" or up to 2x the weapon range (~1/3 mi) in a given turn.  That doesn't sit right.  

It seems as though every ruleset "works, but....".  It's hard for a new guy to imagine that with all the enthusiasm it hasn't been sorted out yet.  I wonder if some of you more experienced guys would be willing to give a rundown of some of the rulesets you have played, strengths, weaknesses, etc.  Of course, this is all subjective at the end of the day, but I'd love to hear your thoughts.  

Thanks,
Chad

 

 

Sylvain,

But my copy of GdeB still looks new!

Don

On July 24, 2019 at 4:43 PM "Sylvain via Groups.Io" <Sylvainnc=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

 

Don

Scott Bowden and Jim Getz's Chef de Bataillon qualifies for me as the worst Napoleonic rule set ever

I liked General de Brigade but it was 20 years ago

Sylvain

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 02:34:45 PM MST, Don L <dleuenbe@...> wrote:

Bob,

You inspired me to go to the garage in this hot weather and rummage about among unopened boxes.

I found:

Empire 3 which I played for many years and liked and my 15mm are organized around these rules--28mm are all organized at 1:25.

Peter Gilder"s In the Grand Manner which I remember fondly.

Scott Bowden and Jim Getz's Chef de Bataillon which I undoubtedly paid a lot of money for and tossed, lots of cards, complexity, etc. Probably works for a couple of people on the tactical level.

Covered with Glory--same as above.

March of Eagles--1989. Again, tactical level. Apparently, I never got them out again.

Napoleonique Encore--dates to 1971 but I remember positively.

General de Brigade which I recall liking but not recalling why. I might recall had I less beer.

I just ordered Black Powder. These have been fun games but I do have issues with morale and not only because of my strained relationship with dice. I'm not sure given our games how I would react to cavalry engagements and to artillery--not enough experience.

I don't think there is any pot of gold to be found here. I do like the idea of settling on a set of rules with whatever house modifications seem right to everyone. Bouncing between rules sets puts a real dent in my enthusiasm for a period. The game becomes much to much about the rule set--

I look forward to playing again.

Don

 

On July 23, 2019 at 12:50 PM Bob <brodgers@...> wrote:

Nappy rules I have played:

Empire III - These are OK but very pro-French. Lots of detail so Millennials won’t play them.

Valmy to Waterloo - Empire clone with tons of charts.

Legacy of Glory - Smoothed out Empire clone.

Shako - OK but some weird rules that are a bit gamey and non-historical.

Volley & Bayonet - Basically a board game with small numbers of figures representing large numbers of troops.

Napoleon at War - Good game but one player can only handle a Division. So only for smaller battles of around a Corps.

A to Z Rules Campaigns of Napoleon - Beer & pretzels, but you can do larger battles with them.

Imperial Lances - My set. I like them. Others don’t. So, the search continues.

Fire & Steel - OK. There’s a learning curve. Empire-like without the flow charts.

Et sans Résultat - P’tooey !

Age of Eagles - OK. Figure intensive. So far the one we seem to keep coming back to.

Principles of War Napoleonic - Generic but playable. These would work if enough guys liked them.

Grande Armee - Didn’t feel like a Nap battle to me. 

Napoleon’s Battles - I dislike the basing for Cavalry and it also doesn’t feel like a Napoleonic battle to me,

Those are the ones that I can immediately remember.

I have played others I’m sure.

I also have a few others in my library that I have never played.

Bob

On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Chad Lunceford < cluncefo@...> wrote:

The thread about a ruleset Bob hated made me think of this.  :) 

Is there an "end-all" ruleset out there for Napoleonics?  (Caution, my inexperience is showing...)  I have only heard of a couple: General de Brigade, Sharp Practice and Black Powder.  I have only played Black Powder and General de Brigade, and that was only once, years ago.  Black Powder seems like a good, relatively simple and fun ruleset, but people don't like the movement rules (and I don't just mean John).  I actually have to agree that the movement seems a bit odd: a line unit will either be able to move  0" or up to 2x the weapon range (~1/3 mi) in a given turn.  That doesn't sit right.  

It seems as though every ruleset "works, but....".  It's hard for a new guy to imagine that with all the enthusiasm it hasn't been sorted out yet.  I wonder if some of you more experienced guys would be willing to give a rundown of some of the rulesets you have played, strengths, weaknesses, etc.  Of course, this is all subjective at the end of the day, but I'd love to hear your thoughts.  

Thanks,
Chad