Members in Germany, Brussels, and the Netherlands affected by the floods


 

If you are in the region affected by the flooding in Germany, Brussels, or
The Netherlands pleased contact me (dennis at ridesoft dot com) if there is
anything I can do or TekScopes can do to help.
Dennis


Heinz-Peter Deutsch
 

Dennis,
in the affected regions is no power, no internet, no water, no food.

So it will take some time to reach the people.

Peter
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On 15.07.2021 23:35, Dennis Tillman W7pF wrote:
If you are in the region affected by the flooding in Germany, Brussels, or
The Netherlands pleased contact me (dennis at ridesoft dot com) if there is
anything I can do or TekScopes can do to help.
Dennis


Alex
 

Climate change? nah that's just a myth. Yeah right. And its only going to get worse in the next 5-10 years regardless if anything serious is done about it today. Which it is not.
That wheel is already spun up pretty good and it can't just be stopped cold. I can sometimes see 3-4 planes crossing path in the sky leaving contrails in the space of just 15-30 minutes.
Absolute madness how we are destroying our own environment.


Dr. Manfred K. Zeller
 

Yes my, I leave in Cologne- 15 Tek Scopes under water. But it could be
worse. About 100 people lost their live and others missing.Thanks to the
group in participating.
Greetings
Manfred
--
Dr.-Ing. Manfred K. Zeller
Hahnwaldweg 47A
50996 Köln-Hahnwald
Deutschland


Marian Beermann
 

The usual ceremony

step 0. woah climate change is looking pretty bad right about now!
step 1. talk about doing green things and being green and totally against
climate change
step 2a. If you are a private person, adjust lifestyle and consumption
precisely not at all
step 2b. If you are a corporation, proclaim new growth targets to hit

Gets too depressing if you think about it for too long, so don't.

not-so-cheerful
Marian


 

There is no way to avoid progressing global warming unless the largest
single polluters are brought to justice - including jail time for
everyone involved. This means the full executive and top engineering
rosters of the largest corporations. Call me a socialist, but there's
no way this correction will happen in a fully free market. The mere
notion of free markets requires ignoring issues that happen not on the
market itself - such as pollution, global warming, etc.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 6:03 PM Marian Beermann <public@enkore.de> wrote:

The usual ceremony

step 0. woah climate change is looking pretty bad right about now!
step 1. talk about doing green things and being green and totally against
climate change
step 2a. If you are a private person, adjust lifestyle and consumption
precisely not at all
step 2b. If you are a corporation, proclaim new growth targets to hit

Gets too depressing if you think about it for too long, so don't.

not-so-cheerful
Marian





 

Glad you're alright. I'm sure the scopes will survive. They're built
to last. I wish you the best. Is there anything we can do to help you?

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 4:24 PM Dr. Manfred K. Zeller via groups.io
<drmanfredzeller=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Yes my, I leave in Cologne- 15 Tek Scopes under water. But it could be
worse. About 100 people lost their live and others missing.Thanks to the
group in participating.
Greetings
Manfred
--
Dr.-Ing. Manfred K. Zeller
Hahnwaldweg 47A
50996 Köln-Hahnwald
Deutschland





Thomas Garson
 

For Real.....
Step 3: Stop building homes and factories on historic flood plains, in areas prone to earthquake or landslides, and on sea coasts that have been under water as recently as 10,000 years ago, a minuscule amount of time from a geological perspective.
Step 4: Stop ignoring the fact that climate change is inevitable and has been ongoing for 4 billion years and live accordingly.
Step 5: Don't blame your neighbors for causing the problem while your government, and you, have not got the guts to call out one of the largest, and most populous, countries on the planet which is responsible for generating as much as 1/3 of the human attributable greenhouse gasses that may be contributing to current climate changes.
Hint: It's neither the US, Russia nor the EU, none of whom are blameless but do, at least, acknowledge that responsible use of available resources and treatment of the environment as desirable goals.
(I believe the Russians are more afraid of them than of any other country!)

Hence forth, I will refrain from any discussions on topics other than those pertaining to Tektronix products.

Thomas Garson
Aural Technology, Ashland, OR
By my calculation, the dynamic range of the universe is roughly 679dB,
which is approximately 225 bits, collected at a rate 1.714287514x10^23 sps.

On 7/16/21 9:03 AM, Marian Beermann wrote:
The usual ceremony
step 0. woah climate change is looking pretty bad right about now!
step 1. talk about doing green things and being green and totally against
climate change
step 2a. If you are a private person, adjust lifestyle and consumption
precisely not at all
step 2b. If you are a corporation, proclaim new growth targets to hit
Gets too depressing if you think about it for too long, so don't.
not-so-cheerful
Marian


n7qmm25
 

My 2 cents. Politics does not belong on the TEK web site.

On 7/16/2021 11:09 AM, cheater cheater wrote:
There is no way to avoid progressing global warming unless the largest
single polluters are brought to justice - including jail time for
everyone involved. This means the full executive and top engineering
rosters of the largest corporations. Call me a socialist, but there's
no way this correction will happen in a fully free market. The mere
notion of free markets requires ignoring issues that happen not on the
market itself - such as pollution, global warming, etc.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 6:03 PM Marian Beermann <public@enkore.de> wrote:
The usual ceremony

step 0. woah climate change is looking pretty bad right about now!
step 1. talk about doing green things and being green and totally against
climate change
step 2a. If you are a private person, adjust lifestyle and consumption
precisely not at all
step 2b. If you are a corporation, proclaim new growth targets to hit

Gets too depressing if you think about it for too long, so don't.

not-so-cheerful
Marian






Jim Ford
 

+1, Thomas!              Jim Ford (unfortunately living in an earthquake zone)Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Thomas Garson <tgarson@auraltek.com> Date: 7/16/21 1:41 PM (GMT-08:00) To: TekScopes@groups.io Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Members in Germany, Brussels, and the Netherlands affected by the floods For Real.....Step 3: Stop building homes and factories on historic flood plains, in areas prone to earthquake or landslides, and on sea coasts that have been under water as recently as 10,000 years ago, a minuscule amount of time from a geological perspective.Step 4: Stop ignoring the fact that climate change is inevitable and has been ongoing for 4 billion years and live accordingly.Step 5: Don't blame your neighbors for causing the problem while your government, and you, have not got the guts to call out one of the largest, and most populous, countries on the planet which is responsible for generating as much as 1/3 of the human attributable greenhouse gasses that may be contributing to current climate changes.Hint: It's neither the US, Russia nor the EU, none of whom are blameless but do, at least, acknowledge that responsible use of available resources and treatment of the environment as desirable goals.(I believe the Russians are more afraid of them than of any other country!)Hence forth, I will refrain from any discussions on topics other than those pertaining to Tektronix products.Thomas GarsonAural Technology, Ashland, ORBy my calculation, the  dynamic range of the universe is roughly 679dB,which is approximately 225 bits, collected at a rate 1.714287514x10^23 sps.On 7/16/21 9:03 AM, Marian Beermann wrote:> The usual ceremony> > step 0. woah climate change is looking pretty bad right about now!> step 1. talk about doing green things and being green and totally against> climate change> step 2a. If you are a private person, adjust lifestyle and consumption> precisely not at all> step 2b. If you are a corporation, proclaim new growth targets to hit> > Gets too depressing if you think about it for too long, so don't.> > not-so-cheerful> Marian> > > > > > >


George Onufer
 

I’m sorry but the biggest polluter in the world is a communist dictatorship.  And they have stated unequivocally that they are not reducing output but rather they intend to increase it.Sorry again but there is zero PROOF that a few degrees of temperature change is generating floods, hurricanes, wildfires or any other catastrophes.  You are being manipulated into accepting the new world order on the flimsiest evidence imaginable.  We were told 15 years ago that Manhattan Island would be underwater by 2020.  Sea level there has changed about 3 inches.  There are a slew of possible explanations for the slight temperature changes including the most likely culprit, solar cycles.  I know the chicken littles out there have convinced themselves, but a little independent research wouldn’t hurt.
George


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Thomas,

The problem with Step 3 is that when a lot of our physical infrastructure was built, prior to the 20th century, you HAD to build industrial centers near water because that was your main source of power, and the best method of transporting materials in and out. Even after the construction of railways, invention of the steam and diesel locomotives, and the harnessing of electric power, lots of industries needed an efficient means of evacuating waste heat from their factories, and a waterway was convenient and effective. Other businesses, and the people who worked in them, built near the industrial centers as well, and that is where we find ourselves today.

Addressing climate change, or addressing our vulnerability to it, is going to be unavoidably expensive. The only question is whether it will be more expensive to do nothing. Also, yes, there are considerable geopolitical difficulties in addressing climate change, including a thorny free rider problem (or maybe it's a prisoners dilemma), as well as considerable headwind from the sunk cost fallacy. Maybe some tragedy of the commons too, but it's been a long time since I took macro economics and I don't bother to recall most of it.

In the meantime, we have to address the problems when and where they happen, because we can't just snap our fingers and have everyone moved out of the way of potential harm, no matter how foreseeable that harm might be. My personal policy, in response to these kinds of disasters, is to give to established aid organizations, because money moves easier than goods, and the aid orgs have the logistics in place to efficiently transform money into action on the ground.

-- Jeff Dutky


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Sorry, I know that this is OT but I have to add my 2 cents worth here.

I live only a few miles from a beach on the Atlantic coast of Florida
and I've been visiting this area or living here and/or along the gulf coast
since the mid 1950s and the ocean levels have *not* risen here to any
noticeable degree in the last 60+ years. The Spanish began building their
fort at St Augustine in 1672 and finished in 1742 and neither it or the
ancient forts at Puerto Rico and elsewhere in the Caribbean have sunk
beneath the waves.

We know from records that the Vikings settled in Greenland before the
year 1000 and settled briefly in Newfoundland less than a century later. In
modern times (from the 1600s up until the 1960s, both of those voyages were
considered *impossible* due to the amount of sea ice along that route and
the Viking tales were disregarded until the remains of Viking settlement at
L'Anse aux Meadows, Newfoundland was discovered in the 1960s. Modern
archeology has PROVEN that the Vikings did indeed make those voyages and
settled in both places. Records and archaeology also prove that in about
1500, the Viking settlements in Greenland failed and that everyone there
died, due to worsening conditions and drastically colder weather. My point
is that we know from both historical records and from archaeological
evidence that even within the last 1000 years the north Atlantic has
experienced both much walmer and much colder climates than today. And the
world didn't end then (unless you were a Viking in Greenland!). I don't
think that there's any question that the weather has gotten warmer over the
past few years but the key question is whether it's part of a natural
climate shift or something due to man.

Considering that in the 1700s, 1600s, 1500s and earlier, everyone,
worldwide, was cooking and heating with wood or coal or peat (all of them
composed of mostly carbon) and in open fire pits or fireplaces I *seriously*
question the argument that we today are generating more CO2 and thus
causing more global warming, than we were 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 centuries ago.

That's my perspective based on history; and not on either sides'
political arguments.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 9:56 PM George Onufer <amatec@att.net> wrote:

I’m sorry but the biggest polluter in the world is a communist
dictatorship. And they have stated unequivocally that they are not
reducing output but rather they intend to increase it.Sorry again but there
is zero PROOF that a few degrees of temperature change is generating
floods, hurricanes, wildfires or any other catastrophes. You are being
manipulated into accepting the new world order on the flimsiest evidence
imaginable. We were told 15 years ago that Manhattan Island would be
underwater by 2020. Sea level there has changed about 3 inches. There are
a slew of possible explanations for the slight temperature changes
including the most likely culprit, solar cycles. I know the chicken
littles out there have convinced themselves, but a little independent
research wouldn’t hurt.
George


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Any more Climate Change denial or defense posting will result in the offenders being placed on moderation.

Please keep politics etc. out of this group.

David Partridge (Group Moderator)


Mlynch001
 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 09:55 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:


Please keep politics etc. out of this group.
Amen!
--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Stephen Hanselman
 

All right enough of this bullshit

Regards,

Stephen Hanselman
Datagate Systems, LLC

On Jul 18, 2021, at 07:55, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk> wrote:

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Please keep politics etc. out of this group.

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