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eBay / PayPal Changes and our alternatives


 

I believe the following excerpts from a Feb. 1, 2018 eBay announcement
should be viewed with skepticism until the details become clear. I thought
that it was important to repeat these parts of the announcement since many
members of TekScopes are current users of eBay and of PayPal and may not be
aware of the upcoming changes on eBay.
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On Feb. 1, 2018 eBay announced that it will be replacing PayPal with Adyen
as its primary payments provider.
Ebay will continue to let customers use PayPal as an option for checking out
until July 2023, but most of eBay's payments will be processed by Adyen by
2021. Adyen, a start-up based in the Netherlands, is an online payment
company that provides businesses with backend payment services including
credit card processing and point-of-sales (POS) systems.

Ebay explained that its decision to integrate Adyen's payment processor
would result in lower costs and more control of finances for its merchants.
EBay said its partnership with Adyen's technology would enable sellers to
have a more central view of their data, and to manage and track all
transactions and customer interactions via eBay. EBay said that the
integration of Adyen would also provide customers with "greater choice" when
checking out. "We believe that we can offer a more seamless experience while
giving buyers and sellers more choice for payment and payout options," eBay
Chief Executive Devin Wenig said on a conference call with analysts. The
move is a part of eBay's strategy to "transition to full payments
intermediation," the firm said.
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One member already mentioned there is a Groups.io site dedicated to the
exchange of Test equipment. If you are interested the link is here:
https://groups.io/g/Test-Equipment-For-Sale-Wanted-or-Exchange

If there are other alternative sites we should know about please let us know
about them. Please provide a link in your reply and indicate if you have any
actual experience with them.

Dennis Tillman W7pF


Dick Wilson at DiLette Sales
 

eBay "Revised" it's original statement to include;
No member will be allowed to Opt Out of the new payment scheme after enrolling.
Quote "Action Required: Your account will be enabled for managed payments starting late July 2020. You are required to register by July 15,2020 to avoid any interruption to your business."  Not enrolling, our choice, froze our ability to list and our listings became invisible. That doesn't sound like a choice. As a seller, if you can't list or sell, that sounds pretty clear to me. Oh, yes, I can still buy, but again, ONLY if I agree to give Adyen ( some company in the Netherlands) my banking info. No thanks.
cmdrdick

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 07:40:47 PM EDT, Dennis Tillman W7pF <@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF> wrote:

I believe the following excerpts from a Feb. 1, 2018 eBay announcement
should be viewed with skepticism until the details become clear. I thought
that it was important to repeat these parts of the announcement since many
members of TekScopes are current users of eBay and of PayPal and may not be
aware of the upcoming changes on eBay.
------
On Feb. 1, 2018  eBay announced that it will be replacing PayPal with Adyen
as its primary payments provider.
Ebay will continue to let customers use PayPal as an option for checking out
until July 2023, but most of eBay's payments will be processed by Adyen by
2021. Adyen, a start-up based in the Netherlands, is an online payment
company that provides businesses with backend payment services including
credit card processing and point-of-sales (POS) systems.

Ebay explained that its decision to integrate Adyen's payment processor
would result in lower costs and more control of finances for its merchants.
EBay said its partnership with Adyen's technology would enable sellers to
have a more central view of their data, and to manage and track all
transactions and customer interactions via eBay. EBay said that the
integration of Adyen would also provide customers with "greater choice" when
checking out. "We believe that we can offer a more seamless experience while
giving buyers and sellers more choice for payment and payout options," eBay
Chief Executive Devin Wenig said on a conference call with analysts. The
move is a part of eBay's strategy to "transition to full payments
intermediation," the firm said.
------

One member already mentioned there is a Groups.io site dedicated to the
exchange of Test equipment. If you are interested the link is here:
https://groups.io/g/Test-Equipment-For-Sale-Wanted-or-Exchange

If there are other alternative sites we should know about please let us know
about them. Please provide a link in your reply and indicate if you have any
actual experience with them.

Dennis Tillman W7pF


Vince Vielhaber
 

Actually they're running behind. As they notify sellers, the seller will have 30 days (as I recall, might be longer) to get qualified for it. They said there's a good chance they won't have everyone moved until sometime in 2021 - or later..

Vince - K8ZW.

On 08/04/2020 08:59 PM, Dick Wilson at DiLette Sales via groups.io wrote:
eBay "Revised" it's original statement to include;
No member will be allowed to Opt Out of the new payment scheme after enrolling.
Quote "Action Required: Your account will be enabled for managed payments starting late July 2020. You are required to register by July 15,2020 to avoid any interruption to your business." Not enrolling, our choice, froze our ability to list and our listings became invisible. That doesn't sound like a choice. As a seller, if you can't list or sell, that sounds pretty clear to me. Oh, yes, I can still buy, but again, ONLY if I agree to give Adyen ( some company in the Netherlands) my banking info. No thanks.
cmdrdick
On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 07:40:47 PM EDT, Dennis Tillman W7pF <@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF> wrote:

I believe the following excerpts from a Feb. 1, 2018 eBay announcement
should be viewed with skepticism until the details become clear. I thought
that it was important to repeat these parts of the announcement since many
members of TekScopes are current users of eBay and of PayPal and may not be
aware of the upcoming changes on eBay.
------
On Feb. 1, 2018 eBay announced that it will be replacing PayPal with Adyen
as its primary payments provider.
Ebay will continue to let customers use PayPal as an option for checking out
until July 2023, but most of eBay's payments will be processed by Adyen by
2021. Adyen, a start-up based in the Netherlands, is an online payment
company that provides businesses with backend payment services including
credit card processing and point-of-sales (POS) systems.

Ebay explained that its decision to integrate Adyen's payment processor
would result in lower costs and more control of finances for its merchants.
EBay said its partnership with Adyen's technology would enable sellers to
have a more central view of their data, and to manage and track all
transactions and customer interactions via eBay. EBay said that the
integration of Adyen would also provide customers with "greater choice" when
checking out. "We believe that we can offer a more seamless experience while
giving buyers and sellers more choice for payment and payout options," eBay
Chief Executive Devin Wenig said on a conference call with analysts. The
move is a part of eBay's strategy to "transition to full payments
intermediation," the firm said.
------

One member already mentioned there is a Groups.io site dedicated to the
exchange of Test equipment. If you are interested the link is here:
https://groups.io/g/Test-Equipment-For-Sale-Wanted-or-Exchange

If there are other alternative sites we should know about please let us know
about them. Please provide a link in your reply and indicate if you have any
actual experience with them.

Dennis Tillman W7pF





 

Oh, yes, I can still buy, but again, ONLY if I agree to give Adyen ( some company in the Netherlands) my banking >info. No thanks.
cmdrdick
I don't think that's true. You can still buy using a credit card.


Heinz Breuer
 

Well I was already forced to pay via Adyen by dealing with another company. No problem at all, I could chose PayPal as method of payment. They also offered credit card payment. No bank data required.

regards
Heinz DH2FA, KM5VT

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Precaud
 

They require bank data reom sellers, not buyers.


Michael W. Lynch
 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 03:22 AM, Jay Walling wrote:


I don't think that's true. You can still buy using a credit card.
That is the whole point of using PayPal, not giving out my Card or Financial information to everyone, not allowing card information to be stored on E-Bay and multiple other servers or transmitting that card information every time I make a purchase. E-Bay will do what they need to do and I will do the same.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Michael A. Terrell
 

I may have to close my Ebay account if they stop accepting Paypal. I
average several hundred purchases, per year.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 9:59 AM Michael W. Lynch via groups.io <mlynch003=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 03:22 AM, Jay Walling wrote:


I don't think that's true. You can still buy using a credit card.
That is the whole point of using PayPal, not giving out my Card or
Financial information to everyone, not allowing card information to be
stored on E-Bay and multiple other servers or transmitting that card
information every time I make a purchase. E-Bay will do what they need to
do and I will do the same.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR




Tom Gardner
 

I hope I'm mistaken, but it looks worse for private sellers....
 - you might need to dispatch goods before receiving payment; I've had a couple of non-payers recently
 - you have to give ebay your checking account details; fraud opportunity anyone?!
 - if a buyer claims a refund, that can be automatically sucked from your checking account
 - which might force you into an overdraft or prevent your normal standing orders/direct debit payments from going through, which might.......

On 05/08/20 17:21, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I may have to close my Ebay account if they stop accepting Paypal. I
average several hundred purchases, per year.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 9:59 AM Michael W. Lynch via groups.io <mlynch003=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 03:22 AM, Jay Walling wrote:

I don't think that's true. You can still buy using a credit card.
That is the whole point of using PayPal, not giving out my Card or
Financial information to everyone, not allowing card information to be
stored on E-Bay and multiple other servers or transmitting that card
information every time I make a purchase. E-Bay will do what they need to
do and I will do the same.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR




Shirley Dulcey KE1L
 

eBay will be accepting PayPal for payment from buyers through at least
2023. If they stop taking it after that, a workaround will be to get a
PayPal debit card. What they are no longer doing is letting SELLERS receive
money via PayPal.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael A. Terrell <
@michaelaterrell> wrote:

I may have to close my Ebay account if they stop accepting Paypal. I
average several hundred purchases, per year.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 9:59 AM Michael W. Lynch via groups.io <mlynch003=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 03:22 AM, Jay Walling wrote:


I don't think that's true. You can still buy using a credit card.
That is the whole point of using PayPal, not giving out my Card or
Financial information to everyone, not allowing card information to be
stored on E-Bay and multiple other servers or transmitting that card
information every time I make a purchase. E-Bay will do what they need
to
do and I will do the same.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR






Vince Vielhaber
 

When I get converted I plan on opening a checking account specifically for that. Ebay said there's no opt-out after you're in. BS, I can close that account!

Vince - K8ZW.

On 08/05/2020 12:53 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
I hope I'm mistaken, but it looks worse for private sellers....
- you might need to dispatch goods before receiving payment; I've had a
couple of non-payers recently
- you have to give ebay your checking account details; fraud
opportunity anyone?!
- if a buyer claims a refund, that can be automatically sucked from
your checking account
- which might force you into an overdraft or prevent your normal
standing orders/direct debit payments from going through, which
might.......


On 05/08/20 17:21, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I may have to close my Ebay account if they stop accepting Paypal. I
average several hundred purchases, per year.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 9:59 AM Michael W. Lynch via groups.io <mlynch003=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 03:22 AM, Jay Walling wrote:

I don't think that's true. You can still buy using a credit card.
That is the whole point of using PayPal, not giving out my Card or
Financial information to everyone, not allowing card information to be
stored on E-Bay and multiple other servers or transmitting that card
information every time I make a purchase. E-Bay will do what they
need to
do and I will do the same.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR





Michael W. Lynch
 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:53 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Tom,

My replies interleaved

I hope I'm mistaken, but it looks worse for private sellers....
True! It is always worse for the sellers, even with today's rules.

- you might need to dispatch goods before receiving payment; I've had a couple
of non-payers recently
Not going to happen! No Pay, No Parts.

- you have to give ebay your checking account details; fraud opportunity
anyone?!
Again, they are not getting that financial information from me, either as a buyer or a seller. Thus PAYPAL.

- if a buyer claims a refund, that can be automatically sucked from your
checking account
- which might force you into an overdraft or prevent your normal standing
orders/direct debit payments from going through, which might.......
More BS and reason NOT to comply or participate.

E-bay is quickly becoming "Alibaba West"

I search quite often for unique or interesting test equipment. In the past year, I have noticed that almost everything has skyrocketed in cost and for shipping. Perhaps this is a sign that I have enough test gear and projects?

No PAYPAL and I am gone from E-Bay.


--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Tom Gardner
 

There will be alternatives for buyers, including using paypal.

What are the realistic alternatives to ebay for occasional sellers of test equipment?

Craigslist is moribund here; maybe that will change.

On 05/08/20 18:10, Michael W. Lynch via groups.io wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:53 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:

Tom,

My replies interleaved

I hope I'm mistaken, but it looks worse for private sellers....
True! It is always worse for the sellers, even with today's rules.

- you might need to dispatch goods before receiving payment; I've had a couple
of non-payers recently
Not going to happen! No Pay, No Parts.

- you have to give ebay your checking account details; fraud opportunity
anyone?!
Again, they are not getting that financial information from me, either as a buyer or a seller. Thus PAYPAL.

- if a buyer claims a refund, that can be automatically sucked from your
checking account
- which might force you into an overdraft or prevent your normal standing
orders/direct debit payments from going through, which might.......
More BS and reason NOT to comply or participate.

E-bay is quickly becoming "Alibaba West"

I search quite often for unique or interesting test equipment. In the past year, I have noticed that almost everything has skyrocketed in cost and for shipping. Perhaps this is a sign that I have enough test gear and projects?

No PAYPAL and I am gone from E-Bay.


John Griessen
 

On 8/5/20 12:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
What are the realistic alternatives to ebay for occasional sellers of test equipment?
Craigslist is moribund here; maybe that will change.
There once was a derivative site called crazed-list that showed all CL sites combined for those interested in long distance deals. CL policy is about local, so they disallowed that site to operate after a while.

Will CL change its policy to be more friendly to shipping things?


EJP
 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 03:10 AM, Michael W. Lynch wrote:

Perhaps this is a sign that I have enough test gear and projects?
It is a sign that people have stopped, or been stopped from, selling this stuff on e-bay.

The PayPal situation is truly bizarre. It was orignally part of e-bay, then they spun it off.

Loss of e-bay has been no loss to me for several years.

EJP


DaveC <davec2468@...>
 

On Aug 5, 2020, at 9:14 PM, EJP <esmond.pitt@...> wrote:

The PayPal situation is truly bizarre. It was orignally part of e-bay, then they spun it off.
Decisions by boards of directors are rarely logical. They walk a tightrope between pleasing shareholders so that they won’t sell too much of the company stock by doing “busywork” (buying other companies, restructuring) while trying to not to scare off the customers by these actions.

I suspect as this recession progresses into depression we’ll see more bizarre corporate behavior.

Dave


Richard R. Pope
 

Dave,
I disagree that this is a recession. If you look at all of the numbers this is a depression that makes the 1929-1933 depression look like a sunny spring day on the beach.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 8/5/2020 11:31 PM, DaveC via groups.io wrote:
On Aug 5, 2020, at 9:14 PM, EJP <esmond.pitt@...> wrote:
The PayPal situation is truly bizarre. It was orignally part of e-bay, then they spun it off.
Decisions by boards of directors are rarely logical. They walk a tightrope between pleasing shareholders so that they won’t sell too much of the company stock by doing “busywork” (buying other companies, restructuring) while trying to not to scare off the customers by these actions.

I suspect as this recession progresses into depression we’ll see more bizarre corporate behavior.

Dave



 

Hi Michael,
Like you, I also thought PayPal was originally "part of eBay".
But in fact PayPal and eBay had a partnership agreement.
Dennis Tillman W7pF

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 03:10 AM, Michael W. Lynch wrote:
<SNIP
It [PayPal] was orignally part of e-bay, then they spun it off.




--
Dennis Tillman W7pF
TekScopes Moderator


Michael W. Lynch
 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:14 PM, EJP wrote:

It is a sign that people have stopped, or been stopped from, selling this
stuff on e-bay.
Sadly, for those of us in rural areas, E-Bay was one of very few opportunities that we had to get our hands on a wider selection of this gear. Not living in or near a large metro area, there are not the swap meets, large hamfests, electronics resale shops and other sources available to myself and others to obtain this gear at reasonable prices. We have one local Hamfest, which did not happen this year and there are a limited number of enthusiasts in my area.

Loss of e-bay has been no loss to me for several years.<
I am not willing to move to a large metro area to alleviate this problem or facilitate my hobby. So the loss of E-Bay as a reasonable source for test gear has been a major blow. I was fortunate enough to get my hands on some good buys before this madness started. Pricing and shipping, for the most part, are totally out of reason for me at this point. Equipment that I bought two years ago for almost nothing, is now going for an outrageous price and outrageous shipping. I suppose I will need to shop a lot harder and be more selective of what I buy, going forward. Or perhaps, I do have enough test gear?

> The PayPal situation is truly bizarre. It was orignally part of e-bay, then
they spun it off.
Yes, the relationship between E-Bay and PayPal has taken a bizarre twist over the years.

Good times!

Thanks!
--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Michael W. Lynch
 

Dennis,

I always "assumed" that was the case, as I am sure that others did as well.

Being a contractual/partnership relationship, that makes the final results less "bizzare". Easier to get rid of a partner than an arm or a leg.

Thanks for the correction.

Sincerel,

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR